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[Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High

"We're experiencing the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center, "so it is no surprise that cosmic rays are at record levels for the Space Age."]

Yes, it is odd that while the Sun was at a very low level of activity the cosmic ray flux was higher, considering cosmic rays come from the Sun! cruise
The increase in cosmic rays during the unusually low solar activity was caused by a shrinkage of the ionosphere, which is the Suns equivalent of the Earths magnetosphere. By definition cosmic rays originate outside the heliosphere, and the solar system. if you've found an article that clains cosmic rays come from the Sun you;ve found one of many dumbed down scientists,
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There are NO comic rays from the Sun. By definition , cosmic rays originate outside the solar system. Naturally concurring radioactive elements for many years accounted for the vast majority of radiation exposure in living things. Cosmic ray flux is VERY VERY low, although it has an extremely high energy level.
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Sigh. Why do you do this? You clearly know hardly anything about the subjects... Yes the sun produces cosmic rays, and there are also interstellar cosmic rays called galactic cosmic rays.wall1doh1


Cosmic rays are a type of radiation that comes from space. Cosmic rays aren't really "rays". They are particles (mostly protons) with very high energies. Cosmic rays come from various places, including the Sun, supernova explosions, and extremely distant sources such as radio galaxies and quasars. Because of their high energy, this type of particle radiation can be dangerous to people and to machines. On Earth we are mostly shielded from them by our planet's magnetic field and atmosphere.

Cosmic rays were discovered by the Austrian-American physicist Victor Hess. Hess discovered this new type of radiation in 1912. He won the 1936 Nobel Prize in Physics for this discovery.

There are several different types of cosmic rays. Solar cosmic rays come from the Sun. They have less energy than most other types of cosmic rays. Solar flares and other explosions on the Sun make this type of cosmic ray. A second type is the galactic cosmic ray. Galactic cosmic rays have more energy than solar cosmic rays. Astronomers think they come from supernova explosions, black holes, and neutron stars within our own Milky Way galaxy. A third type is the rare extragalactic cosmic ray. Scientist think these particles come from somewhere outside of our galaxy. However, they aren't exactly sure where they come from.
[link to www.windows2universe.org]

Do cosmic rays come from our sun? From other (nearby) stars?

After studying cosmic rays for the last century, scientists think that many of the lower and some of the medium energy cosmic rays come from stars. We certainly do receive cosmic rays on Earth that originate from our sun.However, these rays origins are difficult to study as they get deflected by the many magnetic field associated with other stars and planets.

Very, very low cosmic ray flux huh? Then what the fuck is this?

Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High

"We're experiencing the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center, "so it is no surprise that cosmic rays are at record levels for the Space Age."

"In 2009, cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything we've seen in the past 50 years," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech. "The increase is significant, and it could mean we need to re-think how much radiation shielding astronauts take with them on deep-space missions."
[link to www.nasa.gov]

So either the information you're spreading is bullshit and wrong, which it clearly is, or NASA and other scientific institutions are wrong. And frankly there is no reason to trust you or your bullshit. Everything you say is just wrong, like you're purposely trying to misinform people and spread the wrong information. Are you getting paid for this?
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Define:
cosmic ray
 
noun Physics .
a radiation of high penetrating power that originates in outer space and consists partly of high-energy atomic nuclei. { I looked through several articles and could find none that claim cosmic rays originate from the Sun. Particles that originate from the Sun are refereed to as solar particle radiation.
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So now you finally admit you don't know what you're talking about. Good. Now we can move on. I don't know how many times I have to prove your statements are nothing more than opinion based upon belief that you know what you're on about. I wasn't sure how many times I had to prove you wrong in order for you to accept that, I'm glad you have. Now everyone can see that you don't know shit. You do some light internet research and think you're some astrophysicist and you don't even understand half the things you "learn". You just memorize and don't learn anything. It shows, very clearly.
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There are NO comic rays from the Sun. By definition , cosmic rays originate outside the solar system. Naturally concurring radioactive elements for many years accounted for the vast majority of radiation exposure in living things. Cosmic ray flux is VERY VERY low, although it has an extremely high energy level.
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Sigh. Why do you do this? You clearly know hardly anything about the subjects... Yes the sun produces cosmic rays, and there are also interstellar cosmic rays called galactic cosmic rays.wall1doh1


Cosmic rays are a type of radiation that comes from space. Cosmic rays aren't really "rays". They are particles (mostly protons) with very high energies. Cosmic rays come from various places, including the Sun, supernova explosions, and extremely distant sources such as radio galaxies and quasars. Because of their high energy, this type of particle radiation can be dangerous to people and to machines. On Earth we are mostly shielded from them by our planet's magnetic field and atmosphere.

Cosmic rays were discovered by the Austrian-American physicist Victor Hess. Hess discovered this new type of radiation in 1912. He won the 1936 Nobel Prize in Physics for this discovery.

There are several different types of cosmic rays. Solar cosmic rays come from the Sun. They have less energy than most other types of cosmic rays. Solar flares and other explosions on the Sun make this type of cosmic ray. A second type is the galactic cosmic ray. Galactic cosmic rays have more energy than solar cosmic rays. Astronomers think they come from supernova explosions, black holes, and neutron stars within our own Milky Way galaxy. A third type is the rare extragalactic cosmic ray. Scientist think these particles come from somewhere outside of our galaxy. However, they aren't exactly sure where they come from.
[link to www.windows2universe.org]

Do cosmic rays come from our sun? From other (nearby) stars?

After studying cosmic rays for the last century, scientists think that many of the lower and some of the medium energy cosmic rays come from stars. We certainly do receive cosmic rays on Earth that originate from our sun.However, these rays origins are difficult to study as they get deflected by the many magnetic field associated with other stars and planets.

Very, very low cosmic ray flux huh? Then what the fuck is this?

Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High

"We're experiencing the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center, "so it is no surprise that cosmic rays are at record levels for the Space Age."

"In 2009, cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything we've seen in the past 50 years," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech. "The increase is significant, and it could mean we need to re-think how much radiation shielding astronauts take with them on deep-space missions."
[link to www.nasa.gov]

So either the information you're spreading is bullshit and wrong, which it clearly is, or NASA and other scientific institutions are wrong. And frankly there is no reason to trust you or your bullshit. Everything you say is just wrong, like you're purposely trying to misinform people and spread the wrong information. Are you getting paid for this?
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Define:
cosmic ray
 
noun Physics .
a radiation of high penetrating power that originates in outer space and consists partly of high-energy atomic nuclei. { I looked through several articles and could find none that claim cosmic rays originate from the Sun. Particles that originate from the Sun are refereed to as solar particle radiation.
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So now you finally admit you don't know what you're talking about. Good. Now we can move on. I don't know how many times I have to prove your statements are nothing more than opinion based upon belief that you know what you're on about. I wasn't sure how many times I had to prove you wrong in order for you to accept that, I'm glad you have. Now everyone can see that you don't know shit. You do some light internet research and think you're some astrophysicist and you don't even understand half the things you "learn". You just memorize and don't learn anything. It shows, very clearly.
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[Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High

"We're experiencing the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center, "so it is no surprise that cosmic rays are at record levels for the Space Age."]

Yes, it is odd that while the Sun was at a very low level of activity the cosmic ray flux was higher, considering cosmic rays come from the Sun! cruise
The increase in cosmic rays during the unusually low solar activity was caused by a shrinkage of the ionosphere, which is the Suns equivalent of the Earths magnetosphere. By definition cosmic rays originate outside the heliosphere, and the solar system. if you've found an article that clains cosmic rays come from the Sun you;ve found one of many dumbed down scientists,
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Are you fucking kidding me? You have to be trolling. You do 5 mins of web searching and you can't even do that right. And you expect people to believe you? You have no credibility or knowledge or understanding of anything.

This web site is dedicated to these particles - cosmic rays, the fastest bits of matter known. Some cosmic rays are flung at us by the Sun, while others come from far beyond our Solar System.

[link to helios.gsfc.nasa.gov]

I bet you still use google too. I don't need to do searching because I have all this information already bookmarked and I actually understand it.

Nice you can't argue or debate or discuss the information so you go for character assassination and personal insults. You don't stray from your handbook do you? Not smart enough huh. Tell tale techniques of logical fallacies used and a very obvious example of dirty debate tricks because you understand nothing. You're only here to spread misinformation, confusion and distrust of NASA, scientific data and government.

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I was sincerely enjoying the general context of this thread until all these egos started to fire up and ruin it.

~Jessica
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I was sincerely enjoying the general context of this thread until all these egos started to fire up and ruin it.

~Jessica
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Nothing to do with ego, this guy is flat our lying and creating an atmosphere of distrust and misinformation. He can be detained and locked up for breaking certain laws. He's clearly advocating that you don't trust anyone within your government or their influence, such as scientists and educational facilities. You want to believe astrobullshitter, go ahead, that is your choice, but at least you're now aware that he's been wrong about almost everything he's stated. And you eat it up believing every word. You want to believe lies, go ahead, at least you know he's lying. I never stated that something isn't happening with the sun, only that he's been lying to you all about virtually everything. Why is he trying to hard to make you believe lies?

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It also shows how gullible people are, more so now than ever before... How willing they are to believe anyone who talks about science or anything "sciency" because they lack the knowledge to agree or disagree simply because they don't know any better. All I will say is be careful in whom you place your trust in. The truth is easily verifiable and personally I can tell a lie from truth very easy when it comes to things I know and understand. Don't believe learn and know then you will understand and your need to believe will be gone. The world is full of liars, why do you trust so easily that the information you get shown is correct? People don't even check it anymore, just accept the belief and get herded by idiots who like to control you.
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I'm most certainly not gullible.

You assume because I do not trust my government, I am gullible? And you assume because I point out the obvious stroke of ego flaring, that I believe everything i'm told from the original OP.

You're understanding of truth is flawed, not mine.

The OP might not be 100% accurate. But, I have no reason not to consider what he is saying. To the contrary, anyone that tells me I should bet my hand on the offical story is cause for concern.
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I was sincerely enjoying the general context of this thread until all these egos started to fire up and ruin it.

~Jessica
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^^THIS

although i dont have the same level of mistrust that the OP has for the stats that the governments allow us to know,i do believe that this solar max (SM) is going to be different than the last. conflicting stories are being told, first i hear that this SM is going to be weaker than the previous, then i hear that its going to be weaker than first thought...however, to me, it appears that it may actually be bigger...alot bigger in terms of CME's etc.

im not one to say that the governments are completely falsifying data as i believe that there are many 'Sol-Tards' (like us) watching these events with their own gear (as OP says he does), im sure that if things were ALOT different to what the governments are saying, then they would be on GLP or Youtube immediately posting their results and backing it up with data.

Sure, we have all seen gaps in data on SOHO and other sites, that may be intentionally hidden, but there are enough 'ámatuer' watchers out there to figure out whats going on.

lets keep this thread going guys/gals- it has been enjoyable, and i would like to hear/see what you guys/gals think in relation to the suns output this year.

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the ionosphere, which is the Suns equivalent of the Earths magnetosphere.
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Now that is the dumbest thing I've read today.

Gud Job!
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Nothing to do with ego, this guy is flat our lying and creating an atmosphere of distrust and misinformation.

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Nothing I have stated here in this thread is untrue. Every single word is accurate and conscientious.


He can be detained and locked up for breaking certain laws. He's clearly advocating that you don't trust anyone within your government or their influence, such as scientists and educational facilities.
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Yes, that is exactly what I am saying, and the vast majority of the people in this country are waking up to the truth that the government not only lies to the people, but considers them the enemy. This is obvious when you look at some of the legislation passed since 911, and the way government officials interact with the public. As far as being locked up and detained, according to the laws I've seen that applies to anyone who dares to tell the truth.
What set you off is when identified you as NSA working out of Alice springs. People are not generally threatened with being locked up for making up bullshit on the internet, in fact there is a huge amount of just that on this website. The false stories are never given this sort of attention, threatening the poster.

Evidence that i am right about last night is the failure of the cellular phone network and the re routing of aircraft during the inconsistencies and blackouts of data. You are threatening me because I am alerting the people that the data and information they are revenging from the media, the government and government funded academia originating from nay government source is false and misleading. Everything is not alright, and it is obvious at this point



You want to believe astrobullshitter, go ahead, that is your choice, but at least you're now aware that he's been wrong about almost everything he's stated.
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You haven't proved me wrong about anything, all you've really done is expose your agenda clearly. If you were just a normal person who didn't believe me, you'd move on to another thread. It's obvious what and who you are and what your purpose is

And you eat it up believing every word. You want to believe lies, go ahead, at least you know he's lying. I never stated that something isn't happening with the sun, only that he's been lying to you all about virtually everything. Why is he trying to hard to make you believe lies?
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I may have been technically incorrect about a minor detail (some sources claim cosmic rays are produced by the Sun while others don't) , but I am not lying to anyone about anything.

The magnetosphere is unstable and weakening and has been discovered to have numerous voids in it, the magnetic poles is shifting radically and at tines there are multiple magnetic poles .

Living things are being effected all over the world with symptoms that indicate solar radiation exposure including people, and entire biospheres are being effected and in some cases completely transformed.

There has been no winter and last summer was the hottest on record,the polar ice caps are melting , geological activity is the highest ever in recorded history, and methane gas is literally spewing from the ocean over large geographic areas.

Every planet in the solar system is getting hotter and brighter, the Sun is unbearable to even look in it's direction, and all of the native peoples are noting and publishing the changes in their tribal journals.

In order to go outside during a sunlit day, one needs to use increasingly protective sunscreens and warnings about this are being published even in mass Media outlets... To get on here and claim I am an alarmist and threaten me with incarceration betrays your real purpose. You can jail me, you can even kill me, but it will do you no good, it will only release my spirit and make me 1000 times the adversary to you that I am now.

If i were claiming the changes were related to human activity, I'd be left alone, but I'm not, I'm claiming the solar system is entering a dense cloud of plasma that is concentrated in the galactic plane and the solar maximum will peak while the Earth is closets to the Sun and crossing the galactic plane, while at the same time the Earth, the galactic center and the sun will all line up perfectly in three dimensions on a very specific time frame, giving the exact date that a catastrophic event will happen with a confidence of 100% .

The person threatening and heckling me knows the same thing I do, his job is to try to stifle any warnings to make sure order is maintained long enough for preparations to be completed. He has the idea he and his family have a position in the bunkers, but if he did he wouldn't be exposed on the internet at all.


More than likely they will just get rid of him. no one including God can stand a lying traitor
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[Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High

the ionosphere, which is the Suns equivalent of the Earths magnetosphere.
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Now that is the dumbest thing I've read today.

Gud Job!
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I typed heliosphere but the person who is threatening me has the ability to edit posts in real time, in fact thy can read your posts before you hit the post button here. If you look closely , you will see where I identified it correctly as the heliosphere in the same post
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I'm most certainly not gullible.

You assume because I do not trust my government, I am gullible? And you assume because I point out the obvious stroke of ego flaring, that I believe everything i'm told from the original OP.

You're understanding of truth is flawed, not mine.

The OP might not be 100% accurate. But, I have no reason not to consider what he is saying. To the contrary, anyone that tells me I should bet my hand on the offical story is cause for concern.
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The "official" story is that they have no fucking idea what is going on. They admitted that on so many occasions when the deep solar minimum happened. All their predictions failed. ALL. There is no official explanation for the deep solar minimum, that is why they called it unprecedented. At least they're being honest about it, which is more than I can say for people claiming to know what's going on from behind their computer desks. And these people have access to resources and tools that we don't. And all scientists don't know each other and what each one is doing, so it's rare for interdisciplinary research and study to occur. The OP is not correct about anything except that the sun is acting strangely and no one, official or otherwise, is denying that.


March 2, 2011: In 2008-2009, sunspots almost completely disappeared for two years. Solar activity dropped to hundred-year lows; Earth's upper atmosphere cooled and collapsed; the sun’s magnetic field weakened, allowing cosmic rays to penetrate the Solar System in record numbers. It was a big event, and solar physicists openly wondered, where have all the sunspots gone?
One thing is clear: During long minima, strange things happen. In 2008-2009, the sun’s global magnetic field weakened and the solar wind subsided. Cosmic rays normally held at bay by the sun’s windy magnetism surged into the inner solar system. During the deepest solar minimum in a century, ironically, space became a more dangerous place to travel. At the same time, the heating action of UV rays normally provided by sunspots was absent, so Earth’s upper atmosphere began to cool and collapse. Space junk stopped decaying as rapidly as usual and started accumulating in Earth orbit. And so on….

[link to science.nasa.gov]

Modern technology cannot, however, predict what comes next. Competing models by dozens of top solar physicists disagree, sometimes sharply, on when this solar minimum will end and how big the next solar maximum will be. Pesnell has surveyed the scientific literature and prepared a "piano plot" showing the range of predictions. The great uncertainty stems from one simple fact: No one fully understands the underlying physics of the sunspot cycle.

Pesnell believes sunspot counts will pick up again soon, "possibly by the end of the year," to be followed by a solar maximum of below-average intensity in 2012 or 2013.
[link to science.nasa.gov]
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[Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High

the ionosphere, which is the Suns equivalent of the Earths magnetosphere.
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Now that is the dumbest thing I've read today.

Gud Job!
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I typed heliosphere but the person who is threatening me has the ability to edit posts in real time, in fact thy can read your posts before you hit the post button here. If you look closely , you will see where I identified it correctly as the heliosphere in the same post
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No one is threatening you moron, I simply stated that your country has laws where you can be detained for spreading fear and false beliefs and inciting violence against the government. Look how paranoid you are, you surely are delusional. Blaming other people on your mistakes. You've made so many "mistakes' it's like you're trying to spread misinformation and fear. Saying people edit your posts for you in real time, wow, that's a new one. Can't even admit to being wrong, you just weasel out of it every time. I wish I was getting paid for dealing with idiots and liars like you, but unfortunately I just hate liars and don't get paid for this.


Psychosis

Symptoms

The early symptoms of psychosis are often very mild, gradually worsening over months or years. Day-to-day thoughts become confused. People with psychosis might believe their thoughts are being interfered with, or think other people can read their thoughts or they can influence the thoughts of others.

People may have delusions, or false beliefs. There are various types of delusions:
Paranoid delusions: for example, the person believes they are being watched and singled out for some harmful purpose.
Grandiose delusions: for example, the person believes they have special powers or that they are an important religious or political figure.
Depressive delusions: for example, the person believes they are guilty of some terrible crime.

They may also have hallucinations, for example, hearing voices (auditory hallucinations), or seeing things that aren't there (visual hallucinations – though these are less common).


Clearly you're experiencing some form of psychosis and trying to confuse people here with your mental illness. Yes... I'm editing your posts in real time with my penis, just to make you look like a moron. Yes that's right that's what I am doing to you...

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This is from the website the heckler poster from the NASA website, Note that it claims the Sun produces cosmic rays during solar flare events and as cosmic rays energies are measured,, they have the low levels of energy:



Solar energetic particles (SEPs) are atoms that are associated with solar flares. SEPs are a type of cosmic ray. They move away from the Sun due to plasma heating, acceleration, and numerous other forces. Flares frequently inject large amounts of energetic nuclei into space, and the composition varies from flare to flare. The mechanisms involved in producing a solar flare can be better understood by studying the composition and charge of these particles. On the scale of cosmic radiation, SEPs have relatively low energies.

Back to cosmic rays

At one time cosmic rays were defined as extremely high energy particles emanating from outside the Heliosphere, in fact you will see numerous references to increases in cosmic rays when the heliosphere shrinks and weakens, because the heliosphere is what keeps them from entering our solar system. It is my opinion that solar energetic particles and cosmic rays are not the same thing and solar energetic particles should not be classified as cosmic radiation since they produce a much lower energy level and do not originate outside the solar system.
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No one is threatening you moron, I simply stated that your country has laws where you can be detained for spreading fear and false beliefs and inciting violence against the government.
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I would like for you to point out specifically where I incited violence or spread false beliefs.

Everything I have said is the truth, and what I claimed is happening is happening and what i claimed will happen will happen.
I've read your handbook, I know how you operate. face it, yu can't just sit there and say everything's going to be ok because no one believes you. ^ years ago thy might have, at least a certain parentage, but the changes and the problems have become obvious to everyone. To attempt to claim a person is suffering from a mental illnesses to discredit him is a very common and well known tactic, and you've been on me since 930 this morning. That's not a casual interaction, it's an assignment.
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This is from the website the heckler poster from the NASA website, Note that it claims the Sun produces cosmic rays during solar flare events and as cosmic rays energies are measured,, they have the low levels of energy:



Solar energetic particles (SEPs) are atoms that are associated with solar flares. SEPs are a type of cosmic ray. They move away from the Sun due to plasma heating, acceleration, and numerous other forces. Flares frequently inject large amounts of energetic nuclei into space, and the composition varies from flare to flare. The mechanisms involved in producing a solar flare can be better understood by studying the composition and charge of these particles. On the scale of cosmic radiation, SEPs have relatively low energies.

Back to cosmic rays

At one time cosmic rays were defined as extremely high energy particles emanating from outside the Heliosphere, in fact you will see numerous references to increases in cosmic rays when the heliosphere shrinks and weakens, because the heliosphere is what keeps them from entering our solar system. It is my opinion that solar energetic particles and cosmic rays are not the same thing and solar energetic particles should not be classified as cosmic radiation since they produce a much lower energy level and do not originate outside the solar system.
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And now you admit that I was right that the sun does produce cosmic rays? Thanks. Now admit you've been wrong about so much... Considering you just stated the sun doesn't even produce cosmic rays. I'm not sure what your deluded mind is doing here. You're just proving my points.
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No one is threatening you moron, I simply stated that your country has laws where you can be detained for spreading fear and false beliefs and inciting violence against the government.
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I would like for you to point out specifically where I incited violence or spread false beliefs.

Everything I have said is the truth, and what I claimed is happening is happening and what i claimed will happen will happen.
I've read your handbook, I know how you operate. face it, yu can't just sit there and say everything's going to be ok because no one believes you. ^ years ago thy might have, at least a certain parentage, but the changes and the problems have become obvious to everyone. To attempt to claim a person is suffering from a mental illnesses to discredit him is a very common and well known tactic, and you've been on me since 930 this morning. That's not a casual interaction, it's an assignment.
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Everything you stated is a false belief. I've proved that you've been wrong about almost every thing you said LOL. You're accusing me of working for the US government, despite me residing in Oz. You accused me of editing your posts in real time, which if you ask Trinity is impossible. You're not even man enough to admit you're wrong when consistently I proved that what you stated was false, a lie. You're so deranged you believe your own bullshit LOL. You think you're even worth their time? You're insane, you have extreme psychosis and don't even know it. I'm here because you're spreading lies and misinformation, which I've shown many times, with links and evidence to prove you wrong at every single turn.

You can't even admit being wrong but people can see for themselves. You're just pushing you BELIEF onto others and spreading fear and mistrust. Once again, I'm saying I never once denied the sun is not acting strangely, even the official response from NASA acknowledges that it is. Now you're just personally attacking me with no truth or basis in reality.
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This is from the website the heckler poster from the NASA website, Note that it claims the Sun produces cosmic rays during solar flare events and as cosmic rays energies are measured,, they have the low levels of energy:



Solar energetic particles (SEPs) are atoms that are associated with solar flares. SEPs are a type of cosmic ray. They move away from the Sun due to plasma heating, acceleration, and numerous other forces. Flares frequently inject large amounts of energetic nuclei into space, and the composition varies from flare to flare. The mechanisms involved in producing a solar flare can be better understood by studying the composition and charge of these particles. On the scale of cosmic radiation, SEPs have relatively low energies.

Back to cosmic rays

At one time cosmic rays were defined as extremely high energy particles emanating from outside the Heliosphere, in fact you will see numerous references to increases in cosmic rays when the heliosphere shrinks and weakens, because the heliosphere is what keeps them from entering our solar system. It is my opinion that solar energetic particles and cosmic rays are not the same thing and solar energetic particles should not be classified as cosmic radiation since they produce a much lower energy level and do not originate outside the solar system.
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And now you admit that I was right that the sun does produce cosmic rays? Thanks. Now admit you've been wrong about so much... Considering you just stated the sun doesn't even produce cosmic rays. I'm not sure what your deluded mind is doing here. You're just proving my points.
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Actually it is a matter of opinion whether i was wrong about SEP's being cosmic rays and that's the only so called 'mistake' you caught out of thousand of words. Dwell on it, it makes you look stupid and desperate. Some references state plainly that cosmic rays are high energy particles originating outside of the solar system.so there is no real consensus. i choose to go with the correct definition..
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This is from the website the heckler poster from the NASA website, Note that it claims the Sun produces cosmic rays during solar flare events and as cosmic rays energies are measured,, they have the low levels of energy:



Solar energetic particles (SEPs) are atoms that are associated with solar flares. SEPs are a type of cosmic ray. They move away from the Sun due to plasma heating, acceleration, and numerous other forces. Flares frequently inject large amounts of energetic nuclei into space, and the composition varies from flare to flare. The mechanisms involved in producing a solar flare can be better understood by studying the composition and charge of these particles. On the scale of cosmic radiation, SEPs have relatively low energies.

Back to cosmic rays

At one time cosmic rays were defined as extremely high energy particles emanating from outside the Heliosphere, in fact you will see numerous references to increases in cosmic rays when the heliosphere shrinks and weakens, because the heliosphere is what keeps them from entering our solar system. It is my opinion that solar energetic particles and cosmic rays are not the same thing and solar energetic particles should not be classified as cosmic radiation since they produce a much lower energy level and do not originate outside the solar system.
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And now you admit that I was right that the sun does produce cosmic rays? Thanks. Now admit you've been wrong about so much... Considering you just stated the sun doesn't even produce cosmic rays. I'm not sure what your deluded mind is doing here. You're just proving my points.
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Actually it is a matter of opinion whether i was wrong about SEP's being cosmic rays and that's the only so called 'mistake' you caught out of thousand of words. Dwell on it, it makes you look stupid and desperate. Some references state plainly that cosmic rays are high energy particles originating outside of the solar system.so there is no real consensus. i choose to go with the correct definition..
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SEPs are not cosmic rays. I clearly showed you that there are 3 types of cosmic rays. Solar, interstellar and intergalactic. Not my fault you're so fucked up you can't even see that and push your belief onto others. Once again you prove how little you know or understand. Astrobullshitter. You stated the magnetosphere does NOT affect radiation and yet it deflects cosmic rays and scatters EM radiation. You stated the magnetosphere was weakening. You stated a lot of bullshit with no evidence to prove any of it but your belief. And I proved you wrong with every single thing, on both your silly little threads. Keep lying, there's a special place for people like you.

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Everything you stated is a false belief. I've proved that you've been wrong about almost every thing you said LOL.
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Point put an example.


You're accusing me of working for the US government, despite me residing in Oz.
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You are positing from the NSA outpost near Alice springs.


You accused me of editing your posts in real time, which if you ask Trinity is impossible.


How would you know? I use an automatic spell checker that makes some of the spelling errors on my posts impossible.
You're not even man enough to admit you're wrong when consistently I proved that what you stated was false, a lie.
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Show your examples with poof.

You're so deranged you believe your own bullshit LOL. You think you're even worth their time?
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Apparently I am, you've been replying to me and me only in a dedicated manner all day and half the night,

You're insane, you have extreme psychosis and don't even know it. I'm here because you're spreading lies and misinformation, which I've shown many times, with links and evidence to prove you wrong at every single turn.
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I'm no psychologist, but I never believe anyone who claims I am insane because they don't agree with me.
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Please point out and prove where you have proved I have 'spread lies'.






You can't even admit being wrong but people can see for themselves. You're just pushing you BELIEF onto others and spreading fear and mistrust. Once again, I'm saying I never once denied the sun is not acting strangely, even the official response from NASA acknowledges that it is. Now you're just personally attacking me with no truth or basis in reality.

Which begs the question, why would you waste your time with me? there are plenty of other posts making even more radical and 'crazy' statements than I am. You are on me because I am right and it is your job to do the best you can any way you can to detract from my warning and damage my credibility because I am threatening to expose the truth to large numbers of people.
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SEPs are not cosmic rays. I clearly showed you that there are 3 types of cosmic rays. Solar, interstellar and intergalactic..
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Solar energetic particles (SEPs) are atoms that are associated with solar flares. SEPs are a type of cosmic ray.
[link to helios.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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SEPs are not cosmic rays. I clearly showed you that there are 3 types of cosmic rays. Solar, interstellar and intergalactic..
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Solar energetic particles (SEPs) are atoms that are associated with solar flares. SEPs are a type of cosmic ray.
[link to helios.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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Actually, you're right. it's the first time you've been right , you finally agreed with me.

NASA isn't the most reliable source of information in the world, in fact their credibility is ZERO
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Sigh. Why do you do this? You clearly know hardly anything about the subjects... Yes the sun produces cosmic rays, and there are also interstellar cosmic rays called galactic cosmic rays.wall1doh1


Cosmic rays are a type of radiation that comes from space. Cosmic rays aren't really "rays". They are particles (mostly protons) with very high energies. Cosmic rays come from various places, including the Sun, supernova explosions, and extremely distant sources such as radio galaxies and quasars. Because of their high energy, this type of particle radiation can be dangerous to people and to machines. On Earth we are mostly shielded from them by our planet's magnetic field and atmosphere.

Cosmic rays were discovered by the Austrian-American physicist Victor Hess. Hess discovered this new type of radiation in 1912. He won the 1936 Nobel Prize in Physics for this discovery.

There are several different types of cosmic rays. Solar cosmic rays come from the Sun. They have less energy than most other types of cosmic rays. Solar flares and other explosions on the Sun make this type of cosmic ray. A second type is the galactic cosmic ray. Galactic cosmic rays have more energy than solar cosmic rays. Astronomers think they come from supernova explosions, black holes, and neutron stars within our own Milky Way galaxy. A third type is the rare extragalactic cosmic ray. Scientist think these particles come from somewhere outside of our galaxy. However, they aren't exactly sure where they come from.
[link to www.windows2universe.org]

Do cosmic rays come from our sun? From other (nearby) stars?

After studying cosmic rays for the last century, scientists think that many of the lower and some of the medium energy cosmic rays come from stars. We certainly do receive cosmic rays on Earth that originate from our sun.However, these rays origins are difficult to study as they get deflected by the many magnetic field associated with other stars and planets.

Very, very low cosmic ray flux huh? Then what the fuck is this?

Cosmic Rays Hit Space Age High

"We're experiencing the deepest solar minimum in nearly a century," says Dean Pesnell of the Goddard Space Flight Center, "so it is no surprise that cosmic rays are at record levels for the Space Age."

"In 2009, cosmic ray intensities have increased 19% beyond anything we've seen in the past 50 years," says Richard Mewaldt of Caltech. "The increase is significant, and it could mean we need to re-think how much radiation shielding astronauts take with them on deep-space missions."
[link to www.nasa.gov]

So either the information you're spreading is bullshit and wrong, which it clearly is, or NASA and other scientific institutions are wrong. And frankly there is no reason to trust you or your bullshit. Everything you say is just wrong, like you're purposely trying to misinform people and spread the wrong information. Are you getting paid for this?
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Define:
cosmic ray
 
noun Physics .
a radiation of high penetrating power that originates in outer space and consists partly of high-energy atomic nuclei. { I looked through several articles and could find none that claim cosmic rays originate from the Sun. Particles that originate from the Sun are refereed to as solar particle radiation.
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So now you finally admit you don't know what you're talking about. Good. Now we can move on. I don't know how many times I have to prove your statements are nothing more than opinion based upon belief that you know what you're on about. I wasn't sure how many times I had to prove you wrong in order for you to accept that, I'm glad you have. Now everyone can see that you don't know shit. You do some light internet research and think you're some astrophysicist and you don't even understand half the things you "learn". You just memorize and don't learn anything. It shows, very clearly.

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Here's one example from this page alone... Bold words for emphasis. The ONLY reason I'm in this thread is because you're a liar and you're deranged and spreading false beliefs. There is nothing on the link you gave for SEPs that even mentions SEPs. Look at your own quote, you clearly said the sun does not produce cosmic rays. You just linked me to the same link I gave you about solar cosmic rays... Just how dumb and deluded are you?

You also stated that the cosmic ray flux is "very, very low" in that same post. Wrong again. Look at the previous pages and actually read what I wrote and you'll see how many times you've been wrong so far. Almost everything. You only see what you want to see because you're deluded. I gave you multiple sources for the cosmic ray information... There's more out there. The Pierre Auger Observatory is another one. I'm done here, you're just a psychotic loser. I wish I got paid for this, it wouldn't be a waste of my time. At least you finally admitted you were wrong.

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You can go to solarstormwatch.com and part of the mission is hourly movies from StereoA and StereoB in beacon mode, it updates every hour in beacon mode. It's not prety white and black grainy movie but at least you can get hourly updates, better then being lied to. I just watched the latest beacon mode movie from ONE HOUR ago and there are pretty big flares. :)

I just found a flare with 5 other members that hit on the 29th.
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SEPs are not cosmic rays. I clearly showed you that there are 3 types of cosmic rays. Solar, interstellar and intergalactic..
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Solar energetic particles (SEPs) are atoms that are associated with solar flares. SEPs are a type of cosmic ray.
[link to helios.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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is this mountain comepletely fabricated

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If you join the solar storm watch teams all the data is older but for the Incoming data.

I just saw fresh images from this hour and it looks pretty bad, much stormier than the usual data.

"Incoming!
At the moment it looks like there is a solar storm on its way. But we need a few more people to look at it before we're sure. Can you invite your friends to join in. It will help us calculate a complete result in time to send a warning out."
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Here, I went web digging for sources that would not be corrupted by TPTB. Sources are from from France, they don't care who doesn't like them so their Solar sources would be rather believable.

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It also shows how gullible people are, more so now than ever before... How willing they are to believe anyone who talks about science or anything "sciency" because they lack the knowledge to agree or disagree simply because they don't know any better. All I will say is be careful in whom you place your trust in. The truth is easily verifiable and personally I can tell a lie from truth very easy when it comes to things I know and understand. Don't believe learn and know then you will understand and your need to believe will be gone. The world is full of liars, why do you trust so easily that the information you get shown is correct? People don't even check it anymore, just accept the belief and get herded by idiots who like to control you.
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Is it? Is the truth about 9/11 easily verifiable from the official government and educational institutions? What about the truth about the pyramids in China ( i don't remember them as part of my education). What about the truth about Tesla? I didn't learn about him but I did learn about Thomas Edison - was this another easily verifiable Truth?

The energies in charge of this planet are no friend of Truth. Every Master (eg Jesus, Krishna, Buddha) that has come here and spoken the Truth has been killed. Plasmare, though I believe your intent is honourable, you assume too much and trust that which is not deserving of trust. All is not what it seems.

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