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To me personally the signs seem overwhelming, looking at the big picture. You are concentrating on a singular factor and interpreting it as a positive sign. It is, but it can change in an instant.

I don't know why, but I think this was my last human desire to press you, to see if you'd crack and cast into doubt all that I've believed.

But that's as IF all depended upon you! Sorry, because I hold you more in esteem than anyone else, but it was only the last test to Myself, and no one else, including yourself.

thanks for your testament, and your spirit/soul to the same. I'm a fool, but thank the creator not half the fool as half the Rest.

In central Mexico for the last year the weather has been very beautiful as usual, but cooler than usual with more precipitation.

The only global averages I've seen show that the earth on the whole has been cooling slightly for the last 17 years.

As far as my direct experience living in the US, Europe, and Mexico over the last decade, I personally have not noticed distinct changes in the climate, except for a cooling and reduction of thermal activity over the last few years in central Mexico reflected in my flight logs and the consensus among pilots worldwide, who visit.

That the hurricane that hit the east coast was the most costly is a human factor. There are more structures and infrastructure to damage now than before, and those structures are valued higher now than before. It is not a gauge of warming IMO.

Perhaps due to just a few miscalculations in your figures, a misplaced decimal point, or some issue overlooked, would result in a prediction that passing through a galactic plane causes an earth-like planet cooling, rather than warming. Did you ever consider that?

What if the deep freeze hits on Dec 21st?



Last Edited by ehecatl on 11/20/2012 10:16 AM

STFU

Hm. I believe Noah might have something to say about that.

You may want to do a bit of research about hurricanes in New York, and their severity. In 1938, for example, a Cat 3 hit New York and killed 600 people, among several other hurricanes in the last century. So I'd like to know precisely how you are measuring the 'worst storm in recorded history,' and what you are comparing it to.

After all, I "think independently and do not accept what I am told without proof." You, of all people, should respect that.

No, I would wager you need to read a bit more carefully.

Seems funny that AA said everyone would be frying in their own juices long before this. Now... 1 month to go. Maybe he meant freezing in their own juices?

I would hope if AA actually has honor like he has claimed that he will be man enough to come here on December 22nd and admit he was wrong. I think it would be despicable behavior and dishonor his native ancestors who were likely people of their word if he decides to just disappear or make up excuses when his biggest prediction fails to materialize a month from now.

AA, what do you think of the info I gained from my contacts above? Do you think it's possible for us to have solar flares above X-20 next month December 2012?

In 1938, most of the deaths were caused by drownings in storm surge in low lying areas. There was not nearly as much warning and the storms area of damage and overall damage was much much less.


As for hurricanes in general, not In mid November, with three separate storms combining into one huge storm. It was more than a hurricane and actually cannot be accurately defined as a simple hurricane, it was an unprecedented type of storm never before seen.


Overall damage in dollars and total area of damage and effects/.


Good for you. If you thought independently you would realize this was an unprecedented event.

I do not believe anyone who claims to have contact with alien life forms who are giving them information about the future, but I do think some of the louder mouths here are in for a big serving of crow. While for whatever reason the solar maximum has thus far been very tame, radical changes have occurred in interplanetary space and with the Sun itself, as well as with the Earths magneto pause and magnetosphere. Any Earth directed radiation storm will have magnified results. For whatever reason the solar maximum is late in developing, but this could change very suddenly.

You have to remember what I have been trying to tell everyone who will listen, we have entered uncharted territory and it is difficult to predict chronologically with accuracy when the radical increase in solar activity will occur, but I have a strong feeling we have simply been very lucky with the timing as sunspots seem to fade as they become geo effective.

I think you got a double prescription for quaaludes is all


You are beyond ignorant and are fun to fuck with

Well, then, you would be (gasp) wrong again. Do you *ever* research *anything?*


Last year, the National Hurricane Center tried to rank the deadliest and most expensive storms in U.S. history. If we only look at pure economic damage adjusted for inflation, then Sandy is on pace to be the second or third costliest hurricane since 1900, topped only by Hurricane Katrina in 2005 and on par with 1992's Hurricane Andrew

Costliest hurricanes, in constant 2010 dollars

1. Katrina, 2005, $105.8 billion
2. Sandy, 2012 $50 billion (est.)
3. Andrew, 1992, $45.6 billion
4. Ike, 2008, $27.8 billion
5. Wilma, 2005, $20.6 billion
6. Ivan, 2004, $19.8 billion
7. Charley, 2004, $15.8 billion
8. Irene, 2011, $15.8 billion
9. Hugo, 1989, $9.7 billion
10. Rita, 2005, $11.8 billion

Notice something striking about this list. Even after adjusting for inflation, the costliest storms have all occurred in the past decade. So does that means the hurricanes themselves have been getting more powerful and destructive of late?

Not necessarily. After all, the U.S. population has also been growing, our cities have been swelling, and our living standards are rising. That means a similar-sized hurricane will do more economic damage in a given area today than it did back in 1917. That’s why the National Hurricane Center also offers a second ranking. Here are the costliest storms since 1900 if you adjust for inflation, population, and property values. This, in other words, is what those storms likely would have cost if they hit today:

Costliest hurricanes, adjusted for inflation, population, and housing

1. Southeast Florida, 1926, $164.8 billion
2. Katrina, 2005, $113.4 billion
3. Galveston, 1900, $104 billion
4. Galveston, 1915, $71.4 billion*
5. Andrew, 1992, $58.6 billion
6. Sandy, 2012, $50 billion (est.)
7. New England, 1938, $41.1 billion
8. Southwest Florida, 1944, $40.6 billion
9. Southeast Florida/Lake Okeechobee, 1928, $35.3 billion
10. Ike, 2008, $29.5 billion

Notice that Sandy ranks a bit lower on this list. What’s more, many of the 10 most destructive hurricanes came in the early part of the century. Still, even when we adjust for all of these different variables, eight of the 30 most destructive storms have occurred after the year 2000.



[link to www.washingtonpost.com]



1. Galveston, 1900

The most deadly U.S. hurricane by far hit Galveston, Texas in 1900, killing more than 6,000 (a quarter of the island’s population) and leveling nearly every structure on the island with a 15-foot storm surge and 120 mph winds. Adjusted for inflation, the Galveston storm caused upwards of $100 billion in damage. The most tragic tale from the storm concerned an orphanage run by the Sisters of Charity, where more than 90 children and 10 sisters perished. Some of the nuns were found dead after being washed far out into Galveston Bay; they were still clasping the bodies of the drowned children they had lashed to themselves for safety.

2. Miami, 1926

More damaging to property was the storm that hit Miami, Florida in September 1926. Nearly every building in downtown Miami was damaged or destroyed by winds or the 15-foot storm surge. Many of the 400 killed perished when they ventured out during the lull that came as the eye passed over Miami, only to be caught unprotected when the ferocity returned. Researchers figure that if the same storm hit Miami today the damage totals would top $160 billion.

3. Katrina, 2005

Giving that storm a run for its money is 2005′s Katrina. Surging waters from the Gulf of Mexico broke through the levies protecting New Orleans, killing some 2,000 people and causing an estimated $100 billion in direct damage. Add in the tens of billions more spent to reinforce the New Orleans levy system since then, and Katrina could qualify as the most damaging storm ever.

4. Andrew, 1992

In 1992 Hurricane Andrew decimated Florida like a nuclear bomb, its 140 mph winds and 17-foot storm surge demolishing more than 100,000 homes in Miami-Dade County and killing 26. It caused the equivalent of more than $55 billion in damage. In the Everglades, Andrew flattened 70,000 acres.

5. Long Island Express, 1938

The worst hurricane to hit the eastern seaboard in modern times was the September 1938 monster known as the Long Island Express. The storm roared up the east coast with a forward speed of 70 mph, winds gusting to 120 mph and a 10-foot storm surge that slammed into Long Island. Because the storm was moving north so quickly residents had little warning. A Long Island movie theater, with 21 still inside, was lifted off its foundation and tumbled two miles out to sea. All inside died. The storm killed 600 across New York and New England, knocked down 2 billion trees and caused about $40 billion in inflation-adjusted damage.

6. Ike, 2008

Hurricane Ike roared into Galveston, Texas in September 2008 with winds of 100 mph. It killed more than 100 in the U.S. and devastated the coastline from Corpus Christi all the way to the Florida panhandle. At one point Ike was more t han 600 miles in diameter. Galveston was decimated, with many buildings washed away and dozens killed. Electric power in Houston was out for more than two weeks in many places (like my house). Total damage is estimated at $30 billion.

7. Lake Okeechobee, 1928

The second-most deadly hurricane to hit the U.S. was the one that hit Lake Okeechobee, Florida in 1928. Residents thought it had passed and returned home to low-lying areas only to be inundated with a surge of wind-pushed water that covered some communities under 20 feet. Some 2,500 died, many of them farm workers. If the same storm hit today it would cause an estimated $35 billion in damage.

8. Camille, 1969
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Camille hit near the mouth of the Mississippi River in September 1969 with wind speeds thought to be in excess of 200 mph. Her exact ferocity will never be known because she destroyed all wind instruments. Camille flatted the Mississippi coast and caused extensive flooding in the Appalachian Mountains. More than 250 died. Damage was about $20 billion in inflation-adjusted dollars.

9. Donna, 1960

NOAA calls Hurricane Donna of 1960, “one of the all-time great hurricanes.” She smashed up through Florida, reemerged into the Atlantic, then went ashore again in North Carolina, then skirted the coast before making a third landfall in Rhode Island. It killed 50 in the U.S. and caused $28 billion in inflation-adjusted damage.

10. Ash Wednesday Storm, 1962

The Ash Wednesday Storm of 1962 wasn’t a hurricane, but it has come to be known as one of the most destructive storms ever to hit the U.S. It is also known as the “Five High Storm” because it lingered off of New Jersey lashing the coast throughout three days and five high tides. It killed 40 and caused billions in damage in six states. In New Jersey 45,000 homes were seriously damaged. The boardwalk at Rehoboth Beach was destroyed.

[link to www.forbes.com]

So, once again, a fifteen minute search finds IDW/AA coming up short. I ask again, do you ever research anything that you pontificate about?

Do these studies come from the Wasington Post?
Do you have any other studies that would collaberate with this?
Me thinks this is media manipulation.
Just my opinion.

Feel free to look at the sources on those pages I linked - source material is listed on the articles I quoted.

Here's another:

[link to www.nhc.noaa.gov]

If those will not do it, what sources might you accept?

Precisely. The damage from Sandy was over a huge geographic area and included areas that are literally the most expensive real estate per square foot in the country. Also, the damage from Sandy has not been accurately added up yet, this will not come for years later. Original damage estimates from Katrina were very very low compared to what we are hearing now, we won't know for sure until the insurance companies pay out on the damage or reveal their figures that resulted in their bankruptcy. My intuition tells me Sandy did three times the monetary damage of any storm in history due to the flooding over such a large area and the wind and water damage in areas with very high real estate values and expensive homes.

The deaths from Sandy were very low because the people had plenty of warning and didn't act like stupid rednecks in the south frequently do, which is 'stand their ground". The 6000 deaths in Galveston were the result of a total lack of warning, and I seriously doubt the damage estimates in Galveston ad Southern Florida given by the Washington post were even in the right paperbark. It is an attempt to downplay the damage of Sandy, for whatever reason. . Had the island been evacuated, only a hundred or so would have died if that. I do not believe the damage figures from Katrina are accurate and are inclusive of everything from the funding of Blackwater to the relocation of hundreds of thousands of people and th funding of welfare recipients in far off regions.. The areas that were destroyed were very poor niegborhoods, besides of course the coital casinos in MIssissippi.

I think with the discussion of the damage estimates and deaths agent 74444 succeeded in doing what he intended, which i will not allow on my thread. In the end Sandy will be recorded as the storm doing the most economic damage in US history. Damaged areas ranged from Florida to Maine to as far inland as Chicago. The total damage may never be known.

The most important thing concerning Sandy as it relates to this thread was not any of these things, but the nature and composition as well as the timing of the storm, in mid November. It is important to realize that Sandy was not hurricane. Part of it was, a part that by itself would have petered out long before it reached that far north in Nonmember, had it formed at all. Sandy had three separate components that combined into what was an unprecedented and as of yet undefined storm. A HUGE part of the reason for the unusual nature of this storm was the fact that the arctic regions inside the arctic circle are averaging @15 degrees above normal.

I guess after thinking about it the key word is unprecedented weather. I don't know how he managed to do it, but agent 74444 somehow managed to completely paint over that fact and there is not a single meteorologist in the world who disagrees with me that a storm of this nature has never been observed before, ever, and as as it relates to this thread and my predictions it represents a correct prediction, which it was agent 74444's goal to conceal.

According to what I have been able to ascertain, there is no reservoir of extremely cold air in the arctic regions meaning there is no source of cold air to create what we call winter.
As soon as the Sun produces a severe sunspot and an Earth directed coronal mass ejection, the discussion on this thread will change. With temperatures already well above normal in the arctic regions and ice coverage at all time lows, a few severe Solar storms will bring to fruition my prediction of summer weather in the dead of winter, given the magneto pause is essentially gone and the geomagnetic field is simply no longer deflecting particle radiation from the solar wind and from of course CME's from reaching the Earths surface. We have simple been very lucky, or it may be a part of the intelligent design I have repeatedly spoken of.

Perhaps the creator timed this to happen during the 'Holidays" because they are an affront to his true nature. One X class or larger flare with an Earth directed CME will cause agent 74444 to simply stop posting, and it is simply a matter of time. While the solar maximum has been tame thus far it is important to remember the last solar maximum was late as well.

All could change in a matter of days including temperatures over the entire world. Our shields are literally down and conditions in interplanetary space are indisputably radically changing .

As a matter of honor I will not cease posting no matter what happens on this thread unless it becomes impossible to do so.

I still put the odds of a massive and deadly Solar radiation storm occurring on December 22 at @98% and if I am wrong i will take the criticism like a man. I also am still predicting there will be no real winter anywhere in the northern hemisphere and the present data indicates even if there is not a single solar storm this prediction will be correct. The chances of this though are slim to non assistant, and a series of solar storms will result in summer conditions temperature wise.

As for the Norman Rockwell Christmas, forget it. The chances are simply non existent of this occurring since there is no pool of cold air in the arctic to create it. Snowstorms that do occur will melt away within a few days to a week at most below the 45 latitude (excepting of course high elevations) and there will be no significant accumulations that last.

AA, what do you think of this info? : [link to www.examiner.com]

Anthony Kane, a black American relative of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. (former recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize) and reported continuing contactee of representatives of an apparent extraterrestrial, hyperdimensional governance authority known as the “Council of Twelve,” has delivered a number of specific datelines and predicted developments concerning a dimensional shift which Earth and human consciousness is now undergoing in relation to the year 2012, according to information Mr. Kane received from the “Council of Twelve.”

Mr. Kane describes the “Council of Twelve” as stating that during the nine days from December 12, 2012 (12/12/12) to December 21, 2012, the planet Earth will split dimensionally into two separate Earths, each of which has different dimensional frequencies. Mr. Kane describes this as a process analogous to the way that a single cell can split into two cells.

According to the “Council of Twelve,” humans with a consciousness anchored in fear will remain in the third dimensional Earth. Individuals who are experiencing a “conscious awakening” and putting an effort into being conscious of the shift will migrate into the new dimension of the fifth dimensional Earth.

Me: If this is true, we should be expecting lots of huge solar flares/CMEs from filaments on the Sun, as well as many large earthquakes to strike very frequently after December 12 2012, right?

Last Edited by Solar Guardian on 11/22/2012 06:58 AM

Not at all. I was criticizing your tendency to exaggerate, and not present supporting evidence. I am the first to agree that Sandy was a very bad storm, among the worst in history, but it is unnecessary to resort to such outlandish claims.

Such storms HAVE been observed before. And I think you are hard pressed to find a metorologist in the world who would agree with your predictions about December and beyond.




And here we go again. What methods and sources are you using to ascertain *anything?*




We'll see on December 22nd. A single month to go.




And, again, perhaps not.





If you'd accepted my wager, you could have gotten me to cease posting a long time ago. But that's not on the table anymore.

And I suspect you are wrong about the flares/CMEs as well. But again, we'll know in a mere month.





Feel free to cite sources at any time now...




Cool.





It will be interesting to see.





That will also be interesting to see.




Now that is some fairly serious backtracking on your part -- you were saying no snow in the NE at all only a few months ago.

I have conceded that the solar max is later than expected in developing, but I still don't foresee any kind of real winter due to the failure of the magnetosphere and collapse of the magneto pause..

IF there are snowstorms they will be but a few between now and mid December, and they will be the result of unusual weather conditions and not the normal patterns. It is late November almost December, and usually by this time the upper mid west and great lakes regions are much colder than they are now, and there are frequent snowstorms. I said there would be no winter and there won't be.

This begs a few questions.

What is a "real winter?"

What are the normal patterns? Be specific.

What are the "usual" snowstorms, and do you have sources to confirm this?

What is your *definition* of "no winter?" Again, be specific, or at least as specific as you can.

How do your predictions differ from the more mainstream predictions of traditional Global Warming? Are there measurable differences, and if so, what are they?

AA, what do you think? Will the shit start hitting the fan more intense after December 12 2012?

The differences are fundamental, cause, rapidity of change, and intensity of effects across the line.

I'm not going to take the time to respond to the rest of your crap because everyone knows what winter is.

Well apparently it is going to involve a rapid change, perhaps in matter of days or even hours.

I see nothing has changed here. Bantering BS. 12/21 will come and go with AA spewing more excuses for his failed predictions.

DP

Just like everyone knows what the definition of eccentricity is?

Just like everyone knows the definition of Organic Compound?

Of Solidification?

Of Scientific Theory?

Of Scientific Law? And that one doesn't 'graduate' to the other?

Of Nuclear reactor?

Just like everyone knows the definition of Martial law (and despite my agreeing with you in spirit about Habeus Corpus, 2004 doesn't qualify)?

So, sorry -- since so many of your past re-definitions have clashed with, well, English: I would like you to specifically define what qualifies as Winter to you, and what doesn't, if only so you can't do so after the fact.

There's a good fellow.

Thread: Solar flares and the UV radiation at the extreme peak of the index in Melbourne!! Nothing in MSM temp feels twice as hot as it is!!! Help?

Read the thread above, AA was right again!