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If there are no images of such a thing taking place, why are you claiming it has happened? What is YOUR evidence that such an event took place, abnormally?

Broken Circuit .... Did you finally retire from your job with the FL highway department picking up road kill, cans and dirty dippers ?

OR, did they fire you for the incompetent fool you are ?

You were SUCH an ass back in 2003, 04 and 05. You got sucked in by Nancy Lieder and couldn't let it GO !

It is inexplicable given the facts we know about the basic facts about the orbits of the moon around the Earth and the earth around the Sun that the moon should rise with a horizontal terminator when it is not a lunar eclipse.

NO ONE has attempted to explain how it is possible, just claimed it is. It is obviously possible, we are observing the change and it seems permanent. Explain it.

You mean completely, perfectly horizontal when viewed from any/all locations on Earth? So what? What is your point?

No comprende, get lost

You are "observing the change"? Change from what to what- SPECIFICALLY? Where? When? Where is your proof that the moon recently rose with a horizontal terminator, since that seems to be the alleged phenomenon you claim is abnormal?

No , it shouldn't be perfectly vertical it should be 22 degrees off given the tilt of the earth to the ecliptic and should vary within the range of 0-22 degrees given the time of year. Position on the planet doesn't change the orientation of directions. East is still east and west is still west and north is still north.

I see... I'm not supposed to ask for proof that the alleged "abnormal event" you say shouldn't have taken place, actually did occur. How droll.

You are imparsable, lay down the pipe and come back later when you are not so high

Heh. Does the above actually make sense in your mind? Do you have no understanding of the ecliptic and it's location in the sky from day to night and how that changes during the year? if the ecliptic is nearly perpendicular to the horizon at a given moment and the moon is also near that horizon, the moon's terminator will be well more than 22 degrees out of "vertical". Look up "the seasons", as relates to the ecliptic and the moon's orientation in the sky. It's just simple geometry.

Okay...here's one with a "tilted spoon" appearance I mentioned earlier:
[link to rantfarm.com]

Here's another one but in the opposite direction:
[link to 1.bp.blogspot.com]

Here's one with a half moon with the terminator horizontal:
[link to woofersthedog.com]

It's also very easy to explain. The Earth has an axial tilt of about 23.5 degrees. The moon's orbit is close to that of the orbital ecliptic - NOT Earth's equator and the Moon's orbital plane is inclined to the ecliptic by about 5.1 degrees. It's the combination of the two that allow the terminator to appear depending on where the moon is within its 27 day orbit around the Earth.

Guess you lose....again.

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 02/24/2013 03:05 PM

How much more simple can I make it? You are claiming that something abnormal has allegedly taken place- that the moon rose with a horizontal terminator. Where is your proof that that alleged "abnomal event" actually occurred?

The facts are as follows: It is simply impossible for the moon to rise with a horizontal terminator in any location near the equator. AT my latitude, the most it can POSSIBLY be off from vertical using simple geometry as guide is @ 42 degrees. It is NOT possible for it to rise with a horizontal terminator if it is in the ecliptic plane, not in Texas and not in Missouri. If you were standing on the north pole or within the artic circle, it is easy to understand how it IS possible to observe a horizontal terminator, since the orientation of the horizion in degrees to the ecliptic is proportional to your latitude. These observations are being made all over the world, it totally new and has never been observed before and is as of yet unexplained.

But it ISN'T in the ecliptic plane...it's close, but it is actually off by 5.1 degrees.

Oh.. suddenly your claim includes "near the equator"?



Um... didn't you just say 22 degrees? So which is it, 22 degrees or 42 degrees?



And? Are you claiming this has happened? Link? Image? Anything at all to prove this actually took place?



If this [rising moon with horizontal terminator] is being observed all over the world, where is a recent image of it?

And yet old GOTO telescopes track the Moon, Sun, and stars perfectly -- with no updates or changes whatsoever: HOW?

Moon-rises and Moon-sets occur on time, even as far as old almanacs are concerned. If things in the sky are behaving abnormally: HOW?

What movement would be necessary for such an abnormality to actually occur? Let's see how much of an Astrophysicist you really *are.* Describe in detail exactly what would have to occur for what you are claiming to be true.

And if you wouldn't mind answering some of my sky questions in the earlier post, too. Thanks so much.

Oh really? What is your latitude? Let me plug that into my excel sheet...

I see you noticed that as well. Sounds like back pedaling to me.

Gee whiz. The angle of the terminator of the moons shadow from the Sun should vary exactly the same degree as the tilt of the earth to the ecliptic from any given position on the earth through the year. If you are on the 22 latitude, this would mean the terminator would vary from a tilt of 0 degrees from vertical of a maximum of approximately 45 degrees, exactly what I have observed all of my life.. it is simply not possible to have a perfectly horizontal terminator anywhere south of the 67 latitude and yet these have been observed by hundreds of people on this website alone. Explain it.

The only possible explanation of the changes that have been observed is if the moon is no longer orbiting the barycenter of the Earth -moon dual planet system or it has changed it's inclination of orbit to the ecliptic and has been pulled into a substantially different orbit by some as of yet unexplained force that has changed significant.
No one who uses a telescope to view the moon uses a 'goto' program to do it, that would be asinine since it is clearly visible and much easier to simply point the telescope at it manually. I have shown as have my adversaries mounds of evidence that software from telescopes is periodically updated.

I have also shown with proof from a majpr observatory that major observatories allign their telescopes nightly by mapping the position of celestial objects so they can use their mechanized 'goto' systems to observe particular areas of space. Small computer guided telescopes use exactly the same methodology.I was answered with nothing but pure unadulterated horse manure that conflicted with the information the disinfo ops themselves had presented, which is paradoxical to me.

Were that the case, how can GOTO telescopes track it? Surely such a motion would be utterly unpredictable, and fly in the face of Newtonian Mechanics, which underlies the entire GOTO concept.



Oh? Pray, how would the telescope track it for more than a few minutes, then, particularly at high magnifications? You can set up a GOTO and it will track the Moon so you don't have to readjust every few minutes, and will follow it all night (and even into the day, if you want). How is it doing this, particularly when you are, say, way zoomed in watching the terminator, or particular features ON the Moon?

In short: How does the telescope KNOW?



I have given you links and information and examples directly contradicting you. The information you referenced also said nothing about changing existing motions or standard assumptions, but merely about adding new objects to the database and bug fixes. Once again, Celestron hasn't offered a patch since 2007. You have also failed to address how old starguides, starwheels, pre-GOTO telescopes, and even sextants could still be tracking and working given a supposed unpredictable sky. Until you can address these observations which directly and provably contradict your claim, your idea remains mere fantasy.




Were there unpredictable motion of the Earth, **how would the telescope know how to compensate?**

Even *if* they lined up their scopes every night, were they off by a *fraction* of a degree, astrophotography would be impossible, because the *assumptions* built into the telescope would be wrong. How can you not understand this, particularly claiming that you are a supposed astrophysicist?




The only paradoxes that have been presented have been your own. How can guides like the 1966 Pictorial Astronomy still be correct if the Earth or Moon were moving in any unpredicted ways?

Wrong. Already explained, mathematically as well:

[link to www.youtube.com]

Last Edited by Astromut on 02/24/2013 04:45 PM

No one uses a GOTO program to watch the moon? You know this how? You obviously haven't asked everyone because a friend of mine in Sierra Vista does just that. His telescope uses GPS to find his location. Once is location is calculated, all he has to do is align it using two stars. Once that's done, he can sit back and watch the moon all night without having to touch the telescope. If the moon were moving about unpredictably or had moved from its previous orbital planet then he wouldn't be able to do this. Considering he can do it with ease proves there's nothing wrong with the moon or its orbit. Sorry.

Care to try again?

Last Edited by Circuit Breaker on 02/24/2013 05:08 PM

Sorry? What alleged changes? You are apparently claiming that the moon recently rose(abnormally) with the terminator horizontal. Where are any images demonstrating that this alleged event actually took place?

Explain what? You are not providing any evidence that such an event even took place.

NOTE: No response.

REPEAT: If this [rising moon with horizontal terminator] is being observed all over the world, where is a recent image of it?

Oh Astro you are ace, you always have proof to back up your statements, never fail to keep cool either, I've had a good laugh reading this, ty.

AA, watch you don't lose the oars on that failboat.

LMAO! You ask me to back up a claim that has been posted as a personal observation by hundreds of people on this website alone, claiming it didn't happen, and then you applaud a fellow shill who provides mathematical 'proof' it can happen.

WOW! Got all the bases covered, huh?
I've seen the perfectly horizontal 'smilie face' moonrise myself literally dozens of times and in the summer as well as winter. It has been reported all over the world, there are dozens of threads about it on this website alone, AND THE SAME SHILLS ARE WORKING THE THREADS. UN FREAKING BELIEVABLE! No fucking shame!

The terminator on the face of the almost full moon tonight is nearly perfectly vertical, which in of itself is not normal for late February. Here at 32 degrees N latitude we should be seeing an approximate 40 degree angle on the terminator this time of year

You have yet to show where the calculations are wrong or part of a conspiracy. Fail boat, I like that. Keep rowing that fail boat IDW.


Last Edited by Astromut on 02/24/2013 09:38 PM