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Circuit Breaker User ID: 30047168 United States 02/26/2013 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dr. Asshole hasn't posted a single verifiable fact other than posting references to facts that say exactly what I did. He has absolutely no independent input of any kind. His record is total failure in astronomy, and he has proved it by destroying or rendering useless perfectly good equipment wheras if I had been involved i could have at least set up the equipment where it would work.. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 Ah, more name calling. Again - proof you're getting angry because you're losing. BTW, EVERYTHING he posted is verifiable. Which is more than we can say about anything you've posted because you haven't provided anything. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
Circuit Breaker User ID: 30047168 United States 02/26/2013 07:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread has obviously gone to the trolls, stalkers and .gov bullshit artists, there's not a single real person posting besides myself. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 Again - you're basically admitting defeat here. Instead of providing verifiable evidence to support your claims you've resorted to name calling. Did you take lessons from Nancy Lieder? The more you pester me the more firmly convinced I am on the right track. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 Fine...and the more ignorant you'll be. A voice of reason in a world of woo-woos. |
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Solar Guardian User ID: 35115271 Malaysia 02/26/2013 08:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This thread lately is chock-full of hired shills..... |
Menow User ID: 35203670 United States 02/26/2013 08:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, what it means is I am familiar with the real terminology involved in doing the real calculations because I've actually done them. Quoting: Dr. Astro Then perhaps you can explain why I have no problem setting up a telescope and having it actually work as it is supposed to and you can't do it? If you have no problem setting up and using the scope, then you have already proved the Moon is moving as predicted. If your telescope can track it, it is moving in no unpredictable way at all. QED. Thanks for proving Astro's case (more than he already had!). I don't recall claiming a properly set up telescope will track the moon properly, it won't. Two years ago it would, almost. Almost no normal amateur astronomer has a permanent fixed mount for his telescope, meaning an alignment has to be done by a process known as mapping with each use. I went thorough this process every single night I set up my own telescope while I was involved in the hobby less than 12 years ago. Even telescopes fixed in solid bedrock need to be mapped nightly to obtain accurate auto location. This is because being a one hundred thousandth of a degree off will result in total failure, and the timekeeping system in use is not accurate enough to obtain accuracy to this degree, as has already been shown to you through professional references. Without nightly mapping the telescope will locate the Celestia object through the spotter scope then the main telescope must be fine adjusted. THIS IS WHY ALL MAJOR OBSERVATORIES WITH COMPETENT PEOPLE AT THE COM DO A NIGHTLY MAPPING RUN, WHICH TAKES UP TO AN HOUR DEPENDING ON HOW FAST THE TELESCOPE IS. The computer can then track or find celestial obejcts after several objects are mapped. This does not in any wa indicate they are in the 'proper' places. noly that thye have not moved realtive to each other or in the case of the planets in an unexpected trajectory So are you claiming just the moon is out of place in the sky, or that the entire sky is "off" meaning that Earth's tilt or rotation has changed? |
Menow User ID: 35203670 United States 02/26/2013 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And yet given the choice of providing a counter argument to either one, you fail to come up with anything.... Quoting: Menow 636186 Arguing with stupid idiot is the folly of fools, you cannot win. By the way, I didn't "deny it happened" at all. Quoting: Minnow dickYou haven't said anything. It is amazing how shills can post pages of posts and never say a single thing you can pin them down with. If you aren't denying it, what is your point? I asked you to show evidence proving that the "anomaly" you want someone to explain actually took place. That's my simple and obvious point. What is there to "explain" if you don't show wtf you are even talking about? I simply challenged you to provide evidence showing what you claim took place. Funny how you can't do that- Quoting: Minnow dickActually I can, as I said there are literally hundreds of people and perhaps two dozen threads on this subject on this forum alone. I also provided a link to website earlier that clearly showed images that illustrate the effect, apparently you "missed" them? Yes, apparently I did miss that link. Kindly provide the link again showing a "perfectly horizontal terminator on a rising moon". NOTE: No response. STILL waiting for an image of the alleged anomaly we are supposed to "explain". |
Menow User ID: 35203670 United States 02/26/2013 09:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. If you support AA's contentions, then maybe you can do a better job of proving them. Go right ahead and demonstrate that the moon or any other objects in the sky are visibly out of place. |
Waterbug User ID: 34388912 United States 02/26/2013 09:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. If you support AA's contentions, then maybe you can do a better job of proving them. Go right ahead and demonstrate that the moon or any other objects in the sky are visibly out of place. I'm not trying.. nor do I feel the need.. to prove anything to anyone. Observation is enough for me. Don't worry.. most people will not take the time to learn enough about orbital mechanics to understand the physics. Unless they do.. it's a game of 'whom do you believe?' My comment was merely an observation. Read into it what you will.. That's what you do. |
Menow User ID: 35206289 United States 02/26/2013 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. If you support AA's contentions, then maybe you can do a better job of proving them. Go right ahead and demonstrate that the moon or any other objects in the sky are visibly out of place. I'm not trying.. nor do I feel the need.. to prove anything to anyone. Observation is enough for me. Don't worry.. most people will not take the time to learn enough about orbital mechanics to understand the physics. Unless they do.. it's a game of 'whom do you believe?' My comment was merely an observation. Read into it what you will.. That's what you do. To a degree, it is that game, but it comes down to who believes all the uber-paranoid conspiracy stories that all astronomers are in on some incredibly vast coverup of the truth. It's a game of- who actually understands astronomy and who is just pulling random stuff out of their ass and pretending it is real. |
Menow User ID: 35206289 United States 02/26/2013 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. Actually, the better analogy is the Monty Python one where the fallen knight never admits he is hopelessly beaten. |
Waterbug User ID: 34388912 United States 02/26/2013 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. Actually, the better analogy is the Monty Python one where the fallen knight never admits he is hopelessly beaten. Ah, yes.. the noble quest.. against all odds. Never submitting to defeat. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34357183 United States 02/26/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. If someone who claims to be an astronomer, has his avatar stating astrophysicist, starts a thread with outrageous claims with no evidence to back them up then I think others calling upon that proof to be shown and his claims to be verified are entitled to do so. Not once has evidence been presented by him, he just verbally abuses those asking for it. Now, if anyone would like to help by providing that evidence then go ahead and do so. Until then, asking for proof is entitled to go on until he either admits he is wrong or stops verbally abusing those asking for it, they have shown evidence to prove he is wrong, where is his ?. Most of this thread wouldn't exist if he just provided a single snippet of proof. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34241402 United States 02/26/2013 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. If someone who claims to be an astronomer, has his avatar stating astrophysicist, starts a thread with outrageous claims with no evidence to back them up then I think others calling upon that proof to be shown and his claims to be verified are entitled to do so. Not once has evidence been presented by him, he just verbally abuses those asking for it. Now, if anyone would like to help by providing that evidence then go ahead and do so. Until then, asking for proof is entitled to go on until he either admits he is wrong or stops verbally abusing those asking for it, they have shown evidence to prove he is wrong, where is his ?. Most of this thread wouldn't exist if he just provided a single snippet of proof. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26853356 United States 02/26/2013 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. If someone who claims to be an astronomer, has his avatar stating astrophysicist, starts a thread with outrageous claims with no evidence to back them up then I think others calling upon that proof to be shown and his claims to be verified are entitled to do so. Not once has evidence been presented by him, he just verbally abuses those asking for it. Now, if anyone would like to help by providing that evidence then go ahead and do so. Until then, asking for proof is entitled to go on until he either admits he is wrong or stops verbally abusing those asking for it, they have shown evidence to prove he is wrong, where is his ?. Most of this thread wouldn't exist if he just provided a single snippet of proof. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34814542 United States 02/26/2013 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. If someone who claims to be an astronomer, has his avatar stating astrophysicist, starts a thread with outrageous claims with no evidence to back them up then I think others calling upon that proof to be shown and his claims to be verified are entitled to do so. Not once has evidence been presented by him, he just verbally abuses those asking for it. Now, if anyone would like to help by providing that evidence then go ahead and do so. Until then, asking for proof is entitled to go on until he either admits he is wrong or stops verbally abusing those asking for it, they have shown evidence to prove he is wrong, where is his ?. Most of this thread wouldn't exist if he just provided a single snippet of proof. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29498090 United States 02/26/2013 10:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. If someone who claims to be an astronomer, has his avatar stating astrophysicist, starts a thread with outrageous claims with no evidence to back them up then I think others calling upon that proof to be shown and his claims to be verified are entitled to do so. Not once has evidence been presented by him, he just verbally abuses those asking for it. Now, if anyone would like to help by providing that evidence then go ahead and do so. Until then, asking for proof is entitled to go on until he either admits he is wrong or stops verbally abusing those asking for it, they have shown evidence to prove he is wrong, where is his ?. Most of this thread wouldn't exist if he just provided a single snippet of proof. |
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Menow User ID: 24468909 United States 02/26/2013 11:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. Actually, the better analogy is the Monty Python one where the fallen knight never admits he is hopelessly beaten. Ah, yes.. the noble quest.. against all odds. Never submitting to defeat. It's only noble if you actually have a valid position. Otherwise it's merely insane. |
Anonymous Atrophysicist User ID: 1179023 United States 02/26/2013 12:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To a degree, it is that game, but it comes down to who believes all the uber-paranoid conspiracy stories that all astronomers are in on some incredibly vast coverup of the truth. Quoting: Menow 35206289 When one understands the true nature of the difference between what science is defined as in the 'fictionary' and what it actually is, it is not so hard to believe. Look at how many astronomers have met with untimely deaths in the past several years and then listen to Phil Plait talk about astrophysics and ask yourself, does he sound like he actually knows what he is talking about? Yes, astronomers with the clout to be heard and the desire to blow the whistle could be convinced to keep quiet, and I am sure they are. The way this thread has been sequestered and set upon by so many known disinformation operatives working in mass and in concert is circumstance evidence that the truth is being covered up, as is the smooth tongued onslaught of obvious lies. How complicated is it actually to calculate the maximum angle from vertical the terminator can portend at any given latitude and does it take any 'complex calculations', or is more likely those complex calculation are being used to hide the facts, as with the Goretard human caused global warming advocates? Open the thread to all posters and see how you do. Every one of you posting here with the exception of a few anonymous posters who are undoubtedly socks of some of you is known and well established as such SHILL stalker. |
Anonymous Atrophysicist User ID: 1179023 United States 02/26/2013 12:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another experiment: If the Moon is moving unpredictably, then the annular solar eclipse, visible from Australia and the Pacific on May 10th should utterly fail to occur. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444 [link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov] Likewise, just 15 days later, there will be a penumbral Lunar eclipse as well, visible to the entire continental United States. Again, if the Moon were moving in the ways you are claiming, that should also utterly fail to occur. [link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov] What say you to *that* experiment, IDW/A.A? You wisely rejected my wager about December 21st. Would you care to wager on these two eclipses occurring in May? Why don't we do a real experiment, one that will reveal just how full of shit you and the bullshit 'science' you represent really is. No astronomer worth his weight in manure would deny that the Mayans predicted the timing of solar and lunar eclipses with greater accuracy than modern astronomers are capable of ten years in advance by calculation over 800 years ago. In fact they use the Mayan calender to predict them to this day. Show us any reference that predates , oh ,let's say 1975 that predicts a lunar eclipse on May 10th visible from Australia and show the calculations involved that predict it. Failure to do so is admitting it is not calculations being used to predict these eclipses, but the Mayan calender. Just because you are unwilling to admit it means nothing. |
Anonymous Atrophysicist User ID: 1179023 United States 02/26/2013 12:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. Actually, the better analogy is the Monty Python one where the fallen knight never admits he is hopelessly beaten. Ah, yes.. the noble quest.. against all odds. Never submitting to defeat. Quit blowing your own horn, you have lost a ten on one battle royal. How is that for a metaphor? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74444 United States 02/26/2013 12:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another experiment: If the Moon is moving unpredictably, then the annular solar eclipse, visible from Australia and the Pacific on May 10th should utterly fail to occur. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444 [link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov] Likewise, just 15 days later, there will be a penumbral Lunar eclipse as well, visible to the entire continental United States. Again, if the Moon were moving in the ways you are claiming, that should also utterly fail to occur. [link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov] What say you to *that* experiment, IDW/A.A? You wisely rejected my wager about December 21st. Would you care to wager on these two eclipses occurring in May? Why don't we do a real experiment, one that will reveal just how full of shit you and the bullshit 'science' you represent really is. No astronomer worth his weight in manure would deny that the Mayans predicted the timing of solar and lunar eclipses with greater accuracy than modern astronomers are capable of ten years in advance by calculation over 800 years ago. The Mayans were fabulous astronomers, and wrote things down. That's one of the reasons we know the 13th b'ak'tun started December 21st, and that predicted eclipses and transits fit with the calendar, demonstrating your claim of 'missing years' to be full of doo-doo. But I digress. In fact they use the Mayan calender to predict them to this day. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 How did the Maya predict the unpredicted motion that you say the Moon is currently experiencing? Did they somehow *know* the Moon's orbit was going to change, as you claim it has? Show us any reference that predates , oh ,let's say 1975 that predicts a lunar eclipse on May 10th visible from Australia and show the calculations involved that predict it. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 It is a solar eclipse. But that's an easy error to make. Failure to do so is admitting it is not calculations being used to predict these eclipses, but the Mayan calender. Just because you are unwilling to admit it means nothing. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 Well, let me get this straight. If one can find and produce a source that predicts the current upcoming eclipses from 1975 or before, that would prove *to you* that the Moon is moving predictably? If one is able to do this, would you concede the experiment I outlined above would be incontrovertible in testing your claims, and that if the eclipses occur as predicted, your cosmology is utterly wrong? Just want to make sure that I am understanding you clearly and completely. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74444 United States 02/26/2013 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and I still need a comment on the following experiment testing your claim as well: Based on your claim, if a GOTO telescope is aligned ONLY with the stars, and tracks those fine, if you tell the GOTO to slew to the Moon, it will FAIL. Easy enough test. Do you agree with the premise? Any criticisms of the experiment? |
Menow User ID: 636186 United States 02/26/2013 12:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To a degree, it is that game, but it comes down to who believes all the uber-paranoid conspiracy stories that all astronomers are in on some incredibly vast coverup of the truth. Quoting: Menow 35206289 When one understands the true nature of the difference between what science is defined as in the 'fictionary' and what it actually is, it is not so hard to believe. Look at how many astronomers have met with untimely deaths in the past several years and then listen to Phil Plait talk about astrophysics and ask yourself, does he sound like he actually knows what he is talking about? Yes, astronomers with the clout to be heard and the desire to blow the whistle could be convinced to keep quiet, and I am sure they are. The way this thread has been sequestered and set upon by so many known disinformation operatives working in mass and in concert is circumstance evidence that the truth is being covered up, as is the smooth tongued onslaught of obvious lies. How complicated is it actually to calculate the maximum angle from vertical the terminator can portend at any given latitude and does it take any 'complex calculations', or is more likely those complex calculation are being used to hide the facts, as with the Goretard human caused global warming advocates? Open the thread to all posters and see how you do. Every one of you posting here with the exception of a few anonymous posters who are undoubtedly socks of some of you is known and well established as such SHILL stalker. Whom do you imagine is restricting posts to this thread? All you are doing is going off on tangents about some imagined conspiracy, exactly as I said. Why don't you just post an image of the anomaly you claim took place- that of a "perfectly horizontal terminator on a rising moon"? STILL waiting for proof of what you demand should be "explained". |
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Anonymous Atrophysicist User ID: 1179023 United States 02/26/2013 12:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If someone who claims to be an astronomer, has his avatar stating astrophysicist, starts a thread with outrageous claims with no evidence to back them up then I think others calling upon that proof to be shown and his claims to be verified are entitled to do so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34357183 Not once has evidence been presented by him. You need to take a closer look. And who are you anyway, little coward? You know who I am, why do you hide your identities if you are above boards?. Not even Phil Plait or Jay "the weasel" Windley does that! |
Waterbug User ID: 34388912 United States 02/26/2013 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This reminds me of the scene in the movies where the monster is chased by the villagers through the countryside.. with pitchforks and scythes.. Quoting: Waterbug but they can't quite catch up. Actually, the better analogy is the Monty Python one where the fallen knight never admits he is hopelessly beaten. Ah, yes.. the noble quest.. against all odds. Never submitting to defeat. Quit blowing your own horn, you have lost a ten on one battle royal. How is that for a metaphor? Since I am aware that I am on a forum for momentary entertainment.. that doesn't apply. My only battle is with my own inner demons. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74444 United States 02/26/2013 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let's try that again. Another experiment: If the Moon is moving unpredictably, then the annular solar eclipse, visible from Australia and the Pacific on May 10th should utterly fail to occur. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74444 [link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov] Likewise, just 15 days later, there will be a penumbral Lunar eclipse as well, visible to the entire continental United States. Again, if the Moon were moving in the ways you are claiming, that should also utterly fail to occur. [link to eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov] What say you to *that* experiment, IDW/A.A? You wisely rejected my wager about December 21st. Would you care to wager on these two eclipses occurring in May? Why don't we do a real experiment, one that will reveal just how full of shit you and the bullshit 'science' you represent really is. No astronomer worth his weight in manure would deny that the Mayans predicted the timing of solar and lunar eclipses with greater accuracy than modern astronomers are capable of ten years in advance by calculation over 800 years ago. The Mayans were fabulous astronomers, and wrote things down. That's one of the reasons we know the 13th b'ak'tun started December 21st, and that predicted eclipses and transits fit with the calendar, demonstrating your claim of 'missing years' to be full of doo-doo. But I digress. In fact they use the Mayan calender to predict them to this day. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 How did the Maya predict the unpredicted motion that you say the Moon is currently experiencing? Did they somehow *know* the Moon's orbit was going to change, as you claim it has? Show us any reference that predates , oh ,let's say 1975 that predicts a lunar eclipse on May 10th visible from Australia and show the calculations involved that predict it. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 It is a solar eclipse. But that's an easy error to make. Failure to do so is admitting it is not calculations being used to predict these eclipses, but the Mayan calender. Just because you are unwilling to admit it means nothing. Quoting: Anonymous Atrophysicist 1384202 Well, let me get this straight. If one can find and produce a source that predicts the current upcoming eclipses from 1975 or before, that would prove *to you* that the Moon is moving predictably? If one is able to do this, would you concede the experiment I outlined above would be incontrovertible in testing your claims, and that if the eclipses occur as predicted, your cosmology is utterly wrong? Just want to make sure that I am understanding you clearly and completely. |
Anonymous Atrophysicist User ID: 1179023 United States 02/26/2013 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BTW, I haven't had an avatar since the solar flare/chemtrail forecasting days, where I had an extremely high degree of accuracy in predicting solar f;ares and when and where chemtrail activity would be extreme during the last solar maximum. The reason I am set upon by this pack of jackals is not because I am just some crackpot nutcase, in case you didn't notice you shills leave them threads alone..Everyone knows the pattern, the more shill activity the more credibility the poster has. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74444 United States 02/26/2013 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, and I still need a comment on the following experiment testing your claim as well: Based on your claim, if a GOTO telescope is aligned ONLY with the stars, and tracks those fine, if you tell the GOTO to slew to the Moon, it will FAIL. Easy enough test. Do you agree with the premise? Any criticisms of the experiment? |