Portuguese site translated featuring a celestial body's orbit coming near us or our way

I am just going to say a couple things.

"I am going to expose frauds when I see them."

You have already labeled him.

The other thing, who knows what the motives are for not giving coordinates yet, but the fact is HE HAS SAID he has been tracking this object and is going to go with a friend to get more information and take more pictures.

Why should someone feel they have to go and jump through hoops because I come along and ask for information on something he is confused by and looking into HIMSELF. In fact, I actually translated some of the comments being said and they were suspect as to why I was asking him for information. One person mentioned M.I.B. wondering if I was trying to trap him.

So you see, we should hold our breaths to call someone a "fraud" until the things he claims to perform have not been.

I am not sure why you are making a fuss over someone looking into a topic that could be the most important thing we all go through in our life time. Can you understand why he may be hesitant to start giving out information on something he is not even sure what it is yet? From talking to him I can tell he is not trying to create a hoax, but is just genuinely confused about what it is.

You should respect THAT, the fact he does not want to set off a bunch of people with fear that he found "The Destroyer without being sure of it.

I have always valued your opinion and expertise Astromut...Thanks for the de-bunking and look forward to seeing your live telescope feeds!!! :)

And rightfully so. Honest researchers disclose the astrometric readings and/or orbital elements of their finds.

How many times do I have to say it? Based on things he has ALREADY SAID, if he were telling the truth he should already have the orbital elements and the astrometric measurements from which those elements were determined. If he doesn't then he was lying.

Oh so he doesn't feel like posting the photos is too much risk, but for some damn reason, publishing the astrometrics or orbital elements is? Is that the excuse now? That makes no sense. You can't "trap" an honest researcher because he published the orbital elements of his discovery. He and the people who want to believe him are worried that the questions might expose him as a fraud. Of course they'd never admit it to themselves, but those who desperately want to believe will guard against questions that could be damaging.

Playing make believe and making nonsense claims is not the most important thing we all go through in our lifetime.

Nope, I sure can't. In fact, that should make him even more eager to publish the orbital elements so that others like me can examine it as well with more powerful instruments.

How many hoaxers have you busted?

Last Edited by Astromut on 01/31/2012 12:47 AM

He hasn't debunked anything yet.

He has only doubted what this man claims and therefore says it is bullshit.

You spend way too much time breaking up every sentence to comment on it.

The fact of the matter is that he may or may not post the findings and your assumptions as to why he has not said them yet have zero credibility and zero relevance.

Perhaps, he has been saving it for his own post.

Perhaps, he has actually found something and does not want to give out coordinates so someone like you can come along, find the object, and then go report it and get the credit as being the one to find it.

You do not know the reason why he has not said anything and honestly, he has already said this amount:

And m August 22, 2011 a celestial body that could not identify, even using the Starry Night Pro Software version 6.0 with all updates revised, was passing through the constellation of Pegasus with the following location information: RA / DEC: 23h23m 49, 3s / +16 ° 32'11, 9 ". Az / Alt: 29 ° 58'39 "/ +37 ° 55'30" . The first picture (above) was taken with the objective refractor telescope 100 mm, with a combined total of almost eyepiece (180x). Since then I have followed the path of the mysterious celestial body.

Direitos Reservados - Projeto Quartzo Azul ©©: [link to projetoquartzoazul.blogspot.com]



What he said about NOT BEING ABLE TO GET THE INFORMATION was that his telescope was electrically SURGED from reasons he has no idea, and has therefore destroyed the exact figures he had.

Now would you go away and stop trying to boost your ego until this man has a chance to either prove A. He has found something, or B. Proves he is just a hoaxer.

Your posts are a waste of your time and Energy as you have not proven ANYTHING.

I asked this man if astronomy was a hobby of his, and his response was "It is much more than a hobby." He is 51. Give him a chance to prove his credibility when he has told many people that he is making another post soon with more information.

Step back a second, and just realize how arrogant you are being.




This above is your arrogance, and pompous attitude.

If you want to do something useful, wait until he makes another post and then go look for yourself. Until then, leave your snide out of the thread.

Oh and to answer your question about how many hoaxers have I disproved? Remember that "2 suns video" video in Hungary or Romania across the water? The second sun video with the reflection? Well I was the first person in the thread to mention that the Sun was not in the right spot in the reflection and continued throughout the thread telling people it was either a hoax, or not true.

If he were honest then he'd post them, if he won't then he has no credibility and there's no reason to believe a word he says.

Horse shit. I couldn't take credit for the find nor could anyone else. He posted it first, his own website would be proof of that. If he posts it there there's nothing I can do to take credit for it and you know it.

Worthless. He said it's in Ophiuchus now, not Pegasus, and the information given is insufficient to calculate an orbit. I went to the trouble of detailing EXACTLY what would be necessary in order for the orbit to be known. His claims require the orbit to be known, yet he has failed to prove that he actually determined any kind of orbit for it at all.

Oh I am sure that someone from the States could submit the find first officially and he would get ignored especially if a media frenzy broke out. Stranger things have happened. He actually said today that Leonid Elenin's Comet had actually been cataloged by NASA a long time ago yet he got all the credit. What happened to the small scientist way back who would have found it?

Yes, I agree. If he refuses to post any information on where to find it, then it is horseshit. Give him the benefit of the doubt to post it before name-calling.



That information you have asked for has been sent to him and hopefully once he gets onto another telescope he will be able to provide it.

Now hold your horses and let's see if he is going to do what he says he is going to do.

Interesting , how Astromut is really diggin in on this , isn't it?>.........

could be some truth to what he is saying. get down there and look for yourself otherwise..

You are doing battle in here with a shill..Dont let him get to you..
The destroyer will come when the Sun,Moon and a Constellation with 21 Stars(Pisces) appear together in the early morning hours..That will be the sign..The time is near and it will happen this year..

Astromut: Not everyone does things the way you think they should, and therefore you think they are fake/lying etc. God you sound like my husband. he is always right, everyone else is wrong especially if they see things or do things differently than him. Give it a rest, let us all decide what we want to believe we all have working brains let us use them we don't have to agree with you or how yours works. You come off as an pompous ass really, which by the way was the first thing that I thought of when I met my hubby too..LOL.

blogspot.com.... an official reliable news source.

keep this thread pinned till we
get more information on this
"object" or it is proven BS!

I really, really don't care. If he were being honest he'd already have the orbital data. He doesn't, which is why he has to stall for time.

Nope, his website, not to mention this one, would be irrefutable proof he got it first. There is no risk of that whatsoever.

And once again he's lying. Leonid Elenin was the first to discover his comet. You just swallow whatever BS he spews hook line and sinker.

He doesn't need another telescope. Either he has this data or he doesn't, right now. Now. If he doesn't, then he was lying. That simple. I'm not going to allow him to play zetamax "soon" games.

Last Edited by Astromut on 01/31/2012 08:44 AM

Exactly!!! And since so far anything that had been ever said on this forum remained just that,---baloney, you come out as a greater fool than the bullshitters.

Honestly, I don't think he is a shill because shills are grown men that don't sound like whiny babies. I would think a shill would be of higher intelligence not to waste so much time over something that has not been completed yet (the second posting he said he is going to do).



If he is a shill he is certainly wasting a lot of tax-payers money right now by spending all his time in a thread where the guy hasn't provided the information he says he will. You would think he would wait for that. Any inside information you are stating what you said with?



Hahah thanks for the comedic relief. astromut is jumping to conclusions before having the full picture and belittling a guy in Brazil because he hasn't posted more information yet. Who knows the reasons but he can't seem to accept that at face value for a little while until we know if he is bsing or found something.



I could say the same thing about CNN, FOX, NBC, CBC, etc. At least this site is supposedly of someone who found something and put it up to show to others. Do you understand the concept of a blog?



Did this get pinned? Never saw it pinned.



Again, you don't know that and I already said that his telescope got fried. I assume expensive telescopes have everything done with a computer? How is that not possible that the coordinates got erased when the memory got zapped? Look at you, "He doesn't", guilty before proven innocent eh? How democratic of you.



Again, you aren't there, and you don't know him. You have no idea as to what the reasoning is. He made it sound like the data got wiped out when the telescope got zapped. Perhaps it is one with a computer attached and he needs to get into that. I'm not going to allow him to play zetamax "soon" games. Oh brother. Do you go outside and ever actually look at the stars?



He can't really see that for some reason. I mean it is not like this guy is trying to force a message out. He is somebody who found something and posted it. I came across it and brought it here. astromut can't accept that perhaps this guy is telling the truth and he needs to do something else before we have the full picture here. Childish behaviour.

You don't use the telescope to calculate the orbit, you use the telescope to perform the observation and you perform the astrometry and orbital calculations completely independently of the telescope. I already told you all this, you don't listen. Except to the hoaxer.

Wrong. I gave him the chance to show his data, he failed to show it. Now we're left with zetamax style "soon" promises. Until he shows data proving his claim, that's all he has, unsupported claims.

I was observing just last night.

I'll be observing again tonight if the weather allows.

Last Edited by Astromut on 01/31/2012 12:28 PM

Why so much dissension around a potential?

Why is it so often there are those who seek to nullify a concept or perception, or the very idea of the perception in rapid succession?

Allowing the questioning of said celestial body is of no consequence to most of the curious seekers. Why interfere?

Are some here the final word for the rest of us on the entire universe? After all it is entirely conceptual the observation of anything at such distance. Ultimately it's all conjecture unless you've been there.

Thank you and I have decided to just ignore astromut until this guy either posts his updated findings or doesn't.

bumping for anymore info on this, anymore updates??