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QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin

 
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
They've got amazingly simple.

I started in the assembler era and it was horrible. The things you can do in stuff like VS C# is amazing.
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Assembler was the first thing I learned. Then Cobol, then fortran, then Ada. Guess where I learned to program? shroom pilot

Then C then C+ then C++... I don't do much programming now, unless it is in T-SQL or some sort of script (such as WISE or powershell) but all my roots are old-school.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Yes, but the computer is WAY more than just a black screen and letters now. There are still many BASIC languages around, but they are completely useless to an average user today considering the tasks that we demand.

We expect more to come from our programming, which is not the case.

Once again, the people who made such programming compilers had a vested interest in making it as efficient and easy as possible for developers. Easily debunked - the corporations making the computers had a vested interest in us integrating with them as easily as possible. Why would you try to spread such disinfo?

Basic wasnt intuitive so much as it was showing you exactly what happens when you try to oversimplify something that really requires more thought.

The computer languages are very easy - the problem lies with the many people who think that they should be a good programmer when in reality its just not within their means.

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Oh, so you're saying there was a much simpler language?

Free software is still created and shared today so your point doesn't really make sense...
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True, but one has to do a little research to even know that freeware and open-source software exists. When IBM PCs were a new thing, there were groups known as PC User Groups that would meet once a week and swap games, software, or relevant information on how to code your own software. BASIC was the language at the time, and while it's clunky compared to the languages of today, it was intuitive.

My point is that it's not aliens making computers, it's corporations who would rather sell software.
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Let's put it this way... When you bought a PC, PC jr., Commodore 64... It came with instructions on how to write your own programs. Hell, you needed a boot disk to even get to an OS prompt. You don't see that with Windows machines or Apples. Today's user is more likely to purchase software (especially gaming) than to write it himself and share with his buddies.
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1 star for the retarded OP who is too stupid to understand the mathematics upon which programming languages are all based.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Of course it would be difficult for you, you are dumbed down by your educational system, it was intentional to create a mindless mass of working slaves.

Do you think the ruling class wanted everyone to be a hacker mining around the systems knowing more than they?

writeln ("You are living in a dream world. a prison for your mind.");
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Of course it would be difficult for you, you are dumbed down by your educational system, it was intentional to create a mindless mass of working slaves.

Do you think the ruling class wanted everyone to be a hacker mining around the systems knowing more than they?

writeln ("You are living in a dream world. a prison for your mind.");
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
No, it's to prevent people from writing their own software, which was actually encouraged, along with file-sharing in the pre-Windows days.
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Oh, so you're saying there was a much simpler language?

Free software is still created and shared today so your point doesn't really make sense...
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So basically you want magical software that lets you, an unlearned dolt without even a basic understanding of boolean logic, create incredibly complex software without having to do anything "complex" yourself. Do you have any idea how utterly complex such software would be?
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Modern day computer languages (like c#) are complex because the technology they manage is complex. Semantics are expressed as simply as is reasonable but the library required is encyclopedic.

Years of training can make one fluent. I can read/write code as well as english - and both benefit from the other.

The complexity is something you come to understand - just like in chemistry or physics. Thats why they call it computer science.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Modern day computer languages (like c#) are complex because the technology they manage is complex. Semantics are expressed as simply as is reasonable but the library required is encyclopedic.

Years of training can make one fluent. I can read/write code as well as english - and both benefit from the other.

The complexity is something you come to understand - just like in chemistry or physics. Thats why they call it computer science.
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^^ this ^^
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OP is soft in the head
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
This thread made me laugh. Thanks! tounge
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
The rules of the systems we program today.. is way more complex than the languages.. Try and reverse design any major software today.. the complexity of rules is mind boggling. It generally takes more time to do a full business designs and Use Cases than to program them.. It is we that make things complex.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Great thread. As we all know, all computer & laser technology was reverse engineered from equipment discovered along with Megatron at his crash site.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Guess I am the only girl in this thread. Ah well. It's been pretty much that way my entire career... so I shouldn't have been surprised!
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Great thread. As we all know, all computer & laser technology was reverse engineered from equipment discovered along with Megatron at his crash site.
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I thought it was Voltron?
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
I've seen the computer technology the aliens have. The computer stuff here on earth is clay tablets by comparison.
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Still, it's possible to take down alien computer systems with a virus written on Windows computer, as in the movie Independence Day.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Because its math. Is math intuitive? Intuition comes from right brain. Logic comes from Left brain.


Programming is logical, not intuitive.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
i dont find them complex or unintuitive at all?
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Wow.

I got my degree in computer science and right now am at work so can't write a long response but...wow.


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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
i dont find them complex or unintuitive at all?
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can you code? there is a difference between users and programmers.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Compilers are simpler translators. Computer languages cannot be as broad as human languages as to limit compiler complexity and to maximize its efficiency. Thus computer languages have limited expression power and seem difficult to master.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Because humans think is base 10 and computers think in base 2.


Not really alien at all. Anyone that took pre-calc in high school understands it.
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Compilers are simpler translators. Computer languages cannot be as broad as human languages as to limit compiler complexity and to maximize its efficiency. Thus computer languages have limited expression power and seem difficult to master.
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wrong. 4gl and 5gl are as expressive as english within their domain. that is why compilers are used - to break down lexographical verboseness into machine tokenization.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Because humans think is base 10 and computers think in base 2.


Not really alien at all. Anyone that took pre-calc in high school understands it.
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its not like they invented floating point math in like 1970. rarely does a coder work with bits other than bools these days.

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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Compilers are simpler translators. Computer languages cannot be as broad as human languages as to limit compiler complexity and to maximize its efficiency. Thus computer languages have limited expression power and seem difficult to master.
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wrong. 4gl and 5gl are as expressive as english within their domain. that is why compilers are used - to break down lexographical verboseness into machine tokenization.
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No, they aren't. They are better than previous generations but rather limited still.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Let's refer to commands as words, and syntax as punctuation shall we.

Spoken languages are far more complex and unintuitive than any computer language. They have far fewer words to learn, and most of those words carry over from one language to another. The logic flow of all programming languages is basically the same, just the punctuation is a little different.

There is certainly nothing alien about computers, one can put together an accumulator, a few registers and an ALU from a bunch of common old logic chips if one wants to, or even out of transistors, in fact, some people have.

Since I don't like to be limited by the sequential execution inherent to CPU's, so these days I tend to avoid them where possible!

My language of choice is VHDL.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Please, Do tell us what language computers understand more easily.

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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
I've seen the computer technology the aliens have. The computer stuff here on earth is clay tablets by comparison.
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Still, it's possible to take down alien computer systems with a virus written on Windows computer, as in the movie Independence Day.
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Nope, even worse, a Mac.

Just as hilarious as in the film 'Girl With The Dragon Tattoo', a hacker on a Mac, yeah, right.
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Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin
Why is it that a computer can only understands 1s and 0s and different complex programming languages MUCH harder than spoken human languages?

I mean, why the HELL would the creators want to make such a difficult language for a computer in the first place???? It seems completely counter-intuitive and lack of Occums Razor applied!

The only explanation is that the origin of computing is completley alien. You must ask yourself, who brought us the commercial computer to our homes in the first place? Thats right. THE MILTARY.

And whos most likely in contact with alien knowledge FIRST? THE MILITARY!! (Well, those who are given clearance anyway!)

Hence the logical deduction is that, all our complex computing is knowledge from aliens!

DISCUSS!

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No the answer is really much more simple that that.

It is because the building blocks of the IC's that make computers, consist out of transistors and transistors only have two states.

On or off = 0 or 1.

Everything else is just a combination of various 1's and 0's.





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