QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1667343 United States 01/30/2012 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin They've got amazingly simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1464702 I started in the assembler era and it was horrible. The things you can do in stuff like VS C# is amazing. Assembler was the first thing I learned. Then Cobol, then fortran, then Ada. Guess where I learned to program? Then C then C+ then C++... I don't do much programming now, unless it is in T-SQL or some sort of script (such as WISE or powershell) but all my roots are old-school. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6549406 Canada 01/30/2012 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Yes, but the computer is WAY more than just a black screen and letters now. There are still many BASIC languages around, but they are completely useless to an average user today considering the tasks that we demand. We expect more to come from our programming, which is not the case. Once again, the people who made such programming compilers had a vested interest in making it as efficient and easy as possible for developers. Easily debunked - the corporations making the computers had a vested interest in us integrating with them as easily as possible. Why would you try to spread such disinfo? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6549406 Basic wasnt intuitive so much as it was showing you exactly what happens when you try to oversimplify something that really requires more thought. The computer languages are very easy - the problem lies with the many people who think that they should be a good programmer when in reality its just not within their means. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9867617 Oh, so you're saying there was a much simpler language? Free software is still created and shared today so your point doesn't really make sense... True, but one has to do a little research to even know that freeware and open-source software exists. When IBM PCs were a new thing, there were groups known as PC User Groups that would meet once a week and swap games, software, or relevant information on how to code your own software. BASIC was the language at the time, and while it's clunky compared to the languages of today, it was intuitive. My point is that it's not aliens making computers, it's corporations who would rather sell software. Let's put it this way... When you bought a PC, PC jr., Commodore 64... It came with instructions on how to write your own programs. Hell, you needed a boot disk to even get to an OS prompt. You don't see that with Windows machines or Apples. Today's user is more likely to purchase software (especially gaming) than to write it himself and share with his buddies. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6920405 United States 01/30/2012 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Of course it would be difficult for you, you are dumbed down by your educational system, it was intentional to create a mindless mass of working slaves. Do you think the ruling class wanted everyone to be a hacker mining around the systems knowing more than they? writeln ("You are living in a dream world. a prison for your mind."); |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6920405 United States 01/30/2012 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Do you think the ruling class wanted everyone to be a hacker mining around the systems knowing more than they? writeln ("You are living in a dream world. a prison for your mind."); |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1344560 United States 01/30/2012 01:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin No, it's to prevent people from writing their own software, which was actually encouraged, along with file-sharing in the pre-Windows days. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1386821 Oh, so you're saying there was a much simpler language? Free software is still created and shared today so your point doesn't really make sense... So basically you want magical software that lets you, an unlearned dolt without even a basic understanding of boolean logic, create incredibly complex software without having to do anything "complex" yourself. Do you have any idea how utterly complex such software would be? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9632400 United States 01/30/2012 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Modern day computer languages (like c#) are complex because the technology they manage is complex. Semantics are expressed as simply as is reasonable but the library required is encyclopedic. Years of training can make one fluent. I can read/write code as well as english - and both benefit from the other. The complexity is something you come to understand - just like in chemistry or physics. Thats why they call it computer science. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6757666 United States 01/30/2012 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Modern day computer languages (like c#) are complex because the technology they manage is complex. Semantics are expressed as simply as is reasonable but the library required is encyclopedic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9632400 Years of training can make one fluent. I can read/write code as well as english - and both benefit from the other. The complexity is something you come to understand - just like in chemistry or physics. Thats why they call it computer science. ^^ this ^^ |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1356412 United States 01/30/2012 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin The rules of the systems we program today.. is way more complex than the languages.. Try and reverse design any major software today.. the complexity of rules is mind boggling. It generally takes more time to do a full business designs and Use Cases than to program them.. It is we that make things complex. |
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IH20 User ID: 5359478 Brazil 01/30/2012 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Compilers are simpler translators. Computer languages cannot be as broad as human languages as to limit compiler complexity and to maximize its efficiency. Thus computer languages have limited expression power and seem difficult to master. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9632400 United States 01/30/2012 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Compilers are simpler translators. Computer languages cannot be as broad as human languages as to limit compiler complexity and to maximize its efficiency. Thus computer languages have limited expression power and seem difficult to master. Quoting: IH20 5359478 wrong. 4gl and 5gl are as expressive as english within their domain. that is why compilers are used - to break down lexographical verboseness into machine tokenization. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9632400 United States 01/30/2012 02:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Because humans think is base 10 and computers think in base 2. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5616706 Not really alien at all. Anyone that took pre-calc in high school understands it. its not like they invented floating point math in like 1970. rarely does a coder work with bits other than bools these days. instigate flame response. |
IH20 User ID: 5359478 Brazil 01/30/2012 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Compilers are simpler translators. Computer languages cannot be as broad as human languages as to limit compiler complexity and to maximize its efficiency. Thus computer languages have limited expression power and seem difficult to master. Quoting: IH20 5359478 wrong. 4gl and 5gl are as expressive as english within their domain. that is why compilers are used - to break down lexographical verboseness into machine tokenization. No, they aren't. They are better than previous generations but rather limited still. |
Zod User ID: 1393243 Australia 01/30/2012 02:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Let's refer to commands as words, and syntax as punctuation shall we. Spoken languages are far more complex and unintuitive than any computer language. They have far fewer words to learn, and most of those words carry over from one language to another. The logic flow of all programming languages is basically the same, just the punctuation is a little different. There is certainly nothing alien about computers, one can put together an accumulator, a few registers and an ALU from a bunch of common old logic chips if one wants to, or even out of transistors, in fact, some people have. Since I don't like to be limited by the sequential execution inherent to CPU's, so these days I tend to avoid them where possible! My language of choice is VHDL. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 3023846 Sweden 01/30/2012 02:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin I've seen the computer technology the aliens have. The computer stuff here on earth is clay tablets by comparison. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8529763 Still, it's possible to take down alien computer systems with a virus written on Windows computer, as in the movie Independence Day. Nope, even worse, a Mac. Just as hilarious as in the film 'Girl With The Dragon Tattoo', a hacker on a Mac, yeah, right. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9856566 South Africa 01/30/2012 02:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: QUESTION: Why are computer languages/computing so damn complex and unintuitive? ANSWER: Because COMPUTING is completely ALIEN in origin Why is it that a computer can only understands 1s and 0s and different complex programming languages MUCH harder than spoken human languages? Quoting: OPEN YOUR GOD DAMN EYES 9867617 I mean, why the HELL would the creators want to make such a difficult language for a computer in the first place???? It seems completely counter-intuitive and lack of Occums Razor applied! The only explanation is that the origin of computing is completley alien. You must ask yourself, who brought us the commercial computer to our homes in the first place? Thats right. THE MILTARY. And whos most likely in contact with alien knowledge FIRST? THE MILITARY!! (Well, those who are given clearance anyway!) Hence the logical deduction is that, all our complex computing is knowledge from aliens! DISCUSS! No the answer is really much more simple that that. It is because the building blocks of the IC's that make computers, consist out of transistors and transistors only have two states. On or off = 0 or 1. Everything else is just a combination of various 1's and 0's. |
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