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maybe you could buy a mule to carry it for you, or a goat with cart
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it´s good to break addictions slowly, cold turkey is not fun
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If you live somewhere with property, transfer some of the stuff to outside storage, and keep some in your car.

If you live in an apartment, look into adapting a portable baby stroller or folding shopping cart on wheels to carry some of the load. It would be a help long as long as you were on fairly smooth ground.
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Don´t forget a small bottle of bleach and an eyedropper for your filterd water.
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replace the echinacea and goldenseal with oil of oregano and grapefruit seed extract.
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10/31/2005 01:56 AM
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Grow stronger! shroom
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10/31/2005 01:59 AM
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You can't have a light without a dark to stick it in.
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Maybe you shouldn´t ´bug-out´, unless you´re near the coast. What if there really is NO place to run TO? Depends on the kind of TEOTWAWKI your expecting.

You could build one of these shelters and store all your survival stuff (plus some) in it.

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10/31/2005 02:38 AM
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caves are nice natural shelters, if you have any near you
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10/31/2005 05:54 AM
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Dork,
A bug-out bag should contain only the absolute essentials, and always be light enough to carry if necessary. It could be worthwhile to have 2 identical bug-out bags: one to keep at home, and one to keep either at your workplace or in your car.

Extra provisions for survival should be stored for long-term SHTF scenarios - either at home or at a retreat. These are not meant to be carried. They are for use if you are either trapped at home, or are able to get to your retreat.
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10/31/2005 05:58 AM
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is right.

forget about extra socks, and undies.

Youll have time, nothing to keep you from undressing in the bush and clean your clothes in the river bed.

I did that mistake.

Brought 5 pair of sox (thinking ill keep my feet dry)

No way, you feet will remain wet no matter what. Unless you walk on a road or something.

& pair of undies, one a day id thought. Well , i endded up wearing the same thing for a 9 days 7 nights trip into the bush.

water filter, good idea.
portable saw (very usefull)
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10/31/2005 06:00 AM
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and dont travel alone,

when in survival mode, the more you are the better it is. Food is another thing.
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10/31/2005 06:49 AM
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You should also add to your bug out bag..nails and a comb..fishing line and hooks..
Nails will be great to help build your shelter and should your fingers be cold comb will hold nails in place,
in our bug out bags we have a small plastic water proof container and it is amazing what you can put into them..also take along some garbage bags, they can line the bottom of your pack and keep your clothing dry..
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10/31/2005 07:43 AM
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Add $1,000.00 cash in small bills and 10oz. of gold in small denomination coins!
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741,
Thanks for great line from "The 13th Warrior."
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10/31/2005 03:04 PM
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SEEDS... add a few packets of seeds...they don´t weigh much adn if you´re expecting a permanent kind of shtf scenario...you can find yourself a patch to begin planting
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Just look at sites that have a 72 hour kit and make your own with Dollar Tree stuff. You can get Ibuprofen for a dollar, canned scallops, chili and smoked oysters, for 50 cents a can. Light. And get balace bars, forget the top ramen.
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You may need ibuprofin subsitute if you develop stomach problems. Last year I would have packed it too. But this year I developed ulcers
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40 Cartons of cigarretes? I´m not even that bad.1rof1

Throw yourself a spool of heavy duty nylon twine in there. And a small spool (50´) of bailing wire. You´ll be surprised how many things you can use those for from making shelters to building traps and snares. A wrist rocket type sling shot with spare straps is great for small game. Make sure you have a piece of flint with your fire starter stuff.
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10/31/2005 04:06 PM
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When I put together my bug out kit, I also noted the weight and size of things. Not being in very good shape gave me doubts about my ability to carry it and to ultimately be able to survive any catastrophe.

I got in shape; I did try to quit the cigs, but no luck. I now stop smoking every few months, go back and quit agene, and so on and so on.

I went from 250 at 28% body fat to 190 and back to 230, but now I am 14% body fat and very fit.

One thing that I spent some money on , besides the 9mm and the 22 was a 24 inch survival knife .
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10/31/2005 04:10 PM
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yes

Grow stronger! monster
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10/31/2005 04:22 PM
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Hey dork...

Maybe I can help lighten your bug out bag.

>>...it’s heavy as shit and I keep adding more.
I’m out of control.

a change of clothes - this is good. But you should rotate the types of clothes. For instance, winter and fall you will be wearing heavy clothes, so put spring/summer clothes in the bad. Reverse it during spring and summer.

extra undies and socks - 2 pr each should be plenty.

heavy work gloves & some cotton gloves to use as liners, Good except use canvas for the heavy work gloves. You can tear them apart later to make leather ones after they wear out.

one light and one heavy baklava, a scarf. - Make this the light balaclava and a bandanna instead of a scarf... unless of course your scarf is silk or some other light material.

a mess kit - hopefully the kind where the plate can double as a pan to cook in.

a book on medicinal and edible plants - for the area in which you are likely to be traveling?

pliers, snips, two folding knives - Can you dump these and get a leatherman tool? Wear it on your belt.

a hunting knife, a skinning knife - Do you really need both? Can you find one that will work as both?

duct tape (handy stuff, that)& string - Yup.

camp coffee pot - dump the camp coffee pot. Use your mess kit pan to boil water and learn to make your own teas from wild plants. Better for you, saves weight, no need to buy/trade for coffee.

3 emergency blankets - are these the silver thermal space blankets or regular on your bed blankets? Consider a couple of the thermal survival blankets instead. They weigh ounces instead of pounds and work exceedingly well.

AND a pre-packed emergency kit, to which I’ve added 8oz colloidal silver, 8oz povidone iodine, a bottle of Potassium Iodide tablets, a bottle of Echinacea/goldenseal caplets, and cloth diapers (great for bandages or filtering water).

Go through the emergency kit and really look at what´s in it. Also look at what it´s IN. Is there a better way to pack and carry it, and can some of your other items double for what you´re carrying in it?

junior tent (very light, and large) - recommend you dump the tent and get yourself a tarp. You´re already carrying rope, and with a tarp, rope, and what you find along the way, the possibilities are nearly limitless.

a sleeping bag - This is something for storing in your emergency cache. You do have one somewhere right? Your bug-out bag has space blankets, tarp, rope, a sleeping bag is simply extra weight.

50’ nylon rope - Good.

3 canteens for dry, 1 canteen for water - Close. Try 3 canteens for water. You can fish/forage for food. Water will be much more problematic.

my atlatl with two spears - Good. But again something for an emergency cache. Bug out bags get you to your cache in a safe place where you can plan more effectively.

a bolo - Hmmm. Might be worth carrying with you, especially if you are proficient with it.

Also a fanny pack with binoculars, a compass, fire-starting stuff, a small sewing kit and a few tiny vials of spices. - Good.

But consider adding salt to your bug out bag. Believe it or not, salt, particularly iodized salt can really help you stay healthy. Just don´t use too much.

The above should lighten your load a bit with the added benefit of giving you a little more flexibility.

Clio
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10/31/2005 04:46 PM
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I have 2 years of stored food and supplies for whatever happens. Although I am known as a nut job by those I´ve tried to help to see that we are not living in the world they think, I know they will be the first to be begging me for food. Nobody listens, and I´m sure just laughs behind my back, which is ok.

My main problem is that I want what I have to go to my kids and grandkids. I am not worrying about my needs as much as theirs. They are our future, after all.

Who do you give to when TSHTF? I really wish I could help everyone, but this is unrealistic.
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Beginning to 30 days (1 month)
Be prepared to be on the move on very short notice. Items listed should already be in a backpack. Things like plastic sheeting have multiple uses, i.e.: rain ponchos, shelter from above and below, condensation collectors. ( Condensation will form on the inside and outside of a plastic sheet when you sleep below it ) A sharp knife and small rope can make an excellent spear.
4th level descriptions are suggestions – a couple of items from those levels would be adequate.

Water (Sources)
-Stored Water
-Rivers / Lakes
-Filtration & Purification
-Portable Filters
-Iodine Tablets
-Bleach
-Precipitation (Snow / Rain)
-Condensation
-Plastic Sheeting + Catch Basin
-Shovel
-Water from Canned Goods
-Storage Containers - Transportable

Food
-Fresh
-Meats
-Fruit / Vegetables
-Prepared / Canned
-Meats
-Jerky
-Fruits / Vegetables
-Dried Beans, Rice, Nuts
-Can Opener
-Hunting / Gathering
-Meats
-Knives
-Firearm
-Bullets
-Snare
-Rope
-Fishing Supplies
-Fishhooks
-Line
-Sinkers
-Bobbers

Shelter
-Existing Dwellings
-Vehicles
-Tents
-Makeshift Shelters
-Caves
-Survival Huts
-Plastic Canopies


Clothing
-Seasonally Appropriate (Think now to 60 days!)
-Cleaning
-Off-the-shelf cleaners
-Plants that aid cleaning (Soapweed)
-Repairing
-Needle & Thread
-Safety Pins
-Assorted Buttons
-Blending with the environment
-Camouflage
-Street Clothes
-Comfortable long-haul shoes

Medical
-Pain relievers / Antihistamines
-Aspirin
-Acetaminophen
-Sudafed
-Tums
-Alka-Seltzer
-Orajel
-Vodka
-Benadryl
-Epinephrine
-Cuts
-Band aids / Dressings
-Cortisporin
-Rubbing Alcohol
-Hydrogen Peroxide
-Breaks / Sprains
-Ace Bandages
-Makeshift Splints
-Casting Material
-Bullet / Stab Wounds
-Hemostats
-Razor Blades
-Breathing Masks
-Iodine
-Suture Material (Needle & Thread)
-Latex Gloves
-Ether (Starter Fluid)
-Antibiotics

Sanitation
-Feminine Napkins
-Toilet Paper
-Off-the-shelf
-Lambs Ears
-Washable Fabric
-Leaves & Twigs
-Disposal
-Shovel
-Plastic Ziplocks
-Topical
-Bar Soap
-Small Shampoos
-Oral
-Toothbrush
-Floss
-Toothpaste / Baking Soda
-Hairbrush

Miscellaneous
-Wind Up Radio
-Flashlights
-Fire Starters
-Lighters
-Flint & Steel
-Matches
-Fire Cubes
-Compass
-Folding Knife
-Hard Candy
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10/31/2005 05:02 PM
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How many of you on this thread live in a city?
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10/31/2005 05:28 PM
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HATE TO BREAK IT TOYA,
but your "bug out bag" demonstrates that you are ill prepared emotionally for any apocalypse that may happen, witness your witless attempt to
"take it with you"
ANY serious surrvival gear needs only the basics, you can pick up the rest on the road.
String, fishhooks, a decent knife(just ONE GOOD ONE) and a butterknife sharpened to a sharp edge,
easy to flex between human ribs.
NO GUNS, without a gun you´re a pink, weak bag of water, WITH a gun you´re a pink weak bag of water with a gun AND DELUSIONS OF GRANDEUR, you could never carry enough ammo to make it worthwhile, AND the sense of securty it would give you would be false, and breed complacency.
A slingshot is good, maybe a small bow, ONE HALF roll of toilet paper, just enough to wean you off of it, and just enough food to last till you find some more, and a few canteens of water.
A candle is great for light real fast, and a firestarting kit.
AND forget clothes, WEAR your freakin clothes, one change is all you need, if that.
And read a copy of whats called "juvinelle sci-fi"... TUNNEL IN THE SKY, by robert heinlein, one of the best books on surrival ATTITUDE out there.
But mostly DONT even waste you time until you change your main flaw, your inability to give up civilization, until you´re willing to do that, you´re better off just sitting around and waiting for something to kill you.
You´re looking at it the wrong way, what makes a good "grab and go" bag isnt what you put in it, ITS WHAT YOU LEAVE OUT
aND LEARN how to get by without a "first aid kit", it´ll run out in a hurry anyway.
People these days do some stupid shit, because they know that they can go to the ER and fix it,
the best way to "fix" the human body is not TO BREAK IT IN THE FIRST PLACE, take your time, if you doubt food go hungry, be carefull.
Sailors in the old days refused to learn how to swim, being hundreds of miles from shore in shark infested waters they knew it would just prolong the agony, SAME WITH FIRST AID KITS.
iN THE WILD OR WITHOUT MODERN MEDICAL CARE,
A BROKEN bone will kill you in a few days, a small scratch ditto, people in the old days knew this and planned every step they took very carefullyspock
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10/31/2005 06:31 PM
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Depends on if you are traveling through woods, desert or mountains or in your car.

Many folks plan to leave in car to reach a destination. If it is a real SHTF scenerio then most likely they will make it only part way in the car and will have to hoof it the rest of the way.

If you are not strong and there are physical problems that are going to prevent you from getting stronger then get a small rolling cart with 2 large bike wheels. This can even be carted through the woods. If you are traveling through woods and you don´t think folks are going to be coming after you then a machete is a nice addtion though you will carry that in your hand.

In my BOB I have the following.

1 change of underwear and 1 pr. socks
salt in a baggie
mixed herbs in a baggie
will grab some of my protein bars going out the door.
The rest of my food will be found food, unless I am in my car where I constantly keep about a weeks worth of food. I will not eat the bars unless there is no found food as they are back up or night when I can not start a fire for safety reasons. I also know many wild foods and will also carry a book on wild edibles to identify those I have not seen before.

I have
rope
fishing line
fish hooks
knife
small nested set of camp pots
gloves
hachet (will form wood shovel for latrine dig)
1 bar soap
candle
water proof matches
a few hard gen stone for sparking a fire when matches are gone. Quarts will work same as flint
some silver coins
small sewing kit about 1/4 the size of a envelope
which will be used for stitching up cut etc.
Use to keep super glue for this but tubes kept breaking open, luckly they were in baggie.
some little tiny fish lures with hooks in them.
about 3 ft of duct tape rolled on itself
to attach to bottom of back pack a small dome tent weighs less than 4 pounds.
3 black garbage bags for purfiying water in solar still.
Sheet of clear plastic
2 tarps
canteen
small zipped up Bible
map
will attach blanket to pack as I leave but if not able to get it can always cover tent with leaves or fill a couple of the black garbage bags with leaves and make a blanket from that.

I personally don´t plan to bug out unless radiation has hit the area and after it cools down we are forced to leave or have mob attack but mob attack would only mean going to local woods and staying until they are gone from area. Most mobs from a city are to afraid of the woods to go deep into them.

If you know the area you are going to travel and there is not going to be found food then you should cache food in 3 inch PVC pipes closed on end with end caps. Make sure you put them by something that will still be there. Don´t put them by a fence post as they may remove the fence etc.
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10/31/2005 08:48 PM
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I wonder how an improvised hand cart would work to haul your stuff around.

Especially for a family. Would you go with rubber tires or some kind of steel or wooden wheels?

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