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The two witnesses are gentiles

 
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Good luck on rebuilding that temple...Arabs will help, you think?
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I think that something drastic will happen. I saw a new crip on it and strife is already building.
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Ezekiel 37:

 16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

 18 ¶And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

 20 ¶And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.



This is a prophetic reference to the Book of Mormon as a record of portion of the tribe of Ephraim that was led from Jerusalem to America about 600b.c. When joined with the stick of Judah (the Bibile), the two records form a unified, complementary testimony of Jesus Christ, his divine work among these two segments of the house of Israel.

The Book of Mormon is presented to the jewish through the American Gentile.
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Ezekiel 37:

 16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

 18 ¶And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

 20 ¶And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.



This is a prophetic reference to the Book of Mormon as a record of portion of the tribe of Ephraim that was led from Jerusalem to America about 600b.c. When joined with the stick of Judah (the Bibile), the two records form a unified, complementary testimony of Jesus Christ, his divine work among these two segments of the house of Israel.

The Book of Mormon is presented to the jewish through the American Gentile.
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I will be in prayer for you that you believe not a lie but know the truth that is in Crist Jesus!
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I think that can be true sometimes.
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Also the Book of Mormon records another group around 2247 B.C. Who migrated to America at the time of the tower of Babel.

Genesis 11

 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

These peoples records will be restored to the jewish people or the house of Isreal through the Gentile.
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The Book of Mormon is another Testament of Christ Jesus.

He truly visited his other Sheep after his resurrection, here on the American continent. These people were of the house of Israel.


Anyways thanks for the prayers. You are on good paths.
hf
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OP first needs to identify WHEN 1260 WAS??

1260 days (42 months) is prophetic time day = year.

Day-year principle
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

1260 day prophecy was first found in Daniel 7 -- the period the religious power of Rome would rule & persecute God's people known as the dark ages from 538 to 1798.

After 1798 the Bible went to all the world mass produced as a witness.



[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.revelations-two-witnesses.com]





Rv11:1-4 "And there was given me a reed like to a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given to the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."

The symbolism comes from Zechariah.

Zech.4:3 "And two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl, and the other on the left side thereof. So I answered and spoke to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? Then the angel that talked with me answered and said to me, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the LORD (...) Then answered I, and said to him, What are these two olive trees on the right side of the candlestick and on the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said to him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth. Then I turned, and lifted up my eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll."




The most popular opinion found among the Doctors of Theology is that the two witnesses are two prophets that shall come during the Great Tribulation Period, while some say that this prophecy of the two witnesses has a two-fold meaning. However, the Scriptures and recorded history show that the prophecy about the two witnesses has indeed come to pass.

Jesus our Lord said: "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a WITNESS UNTO ALL NATIONS and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:14. The Gospel taught from the Scriptures was to be a witness to all nations about the loving and saving power of Jesus Christ. It gives its hearers correction in right doing. It gives its believers hope for the future, and the promise of forgiveness for past sins through the sacrifice of Christ's death. "And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the Devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." 2.Timothy 2:26.

However, when the Roman Catholic Church became a religious dictatorship, the Scriptures were hidden from the vast population, and catechism was substituted instead of Bible study. The Gospel of the Bible became mingled with the pagan philosophies of Sun worship. The worship of the pagan Mother goddess became the idol of the Roman Catholic Church through the worship of the Virgin Mary.' When the Gospel became perverted through Romanism, God always had a remnant people who were teaching the True Faith during the 1260 years the Papacy cast the Truth to the ground. These faithful followers of Jesus were hunted down by papal authorities as heretics and criminals. They were tortured on the rack, burned at the stake; and it mattered not what age or sex, they were butchered in the name of Heaven.

When those faithful servants who proclaimed the sacred truths from the Old and New Testaments were tortured, murdered, thrown in dungeons and had to flee for their lives from the papal Inquisitors, the True Faith was forced to go underground. The Gospel set forth in the Old and New Testament that had to be preached into all the world for a witness to all nations before Christ would come again, was forced into a state of obscurity. This is what is meant by Revelation 11:3, "And they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS CLOTHED IN SACKCLOTH."

Sackcloth was worn by the Israelites in times of trouble and grief. (2.Samuel 3:31, 1.Chronicles 21:15, 16; Isaiah 37:1). The sackcloth here mentioned in Revelation 11:3 was to mourn the supression of the Old and New Testament by the papal authorities during the 1260 years. The two witnesses, the two olive trees, or the two candlesticks represented the light the Scripture gives its reader.

The Olive Tree was the Israelites' source of oil to anoint their kings and priests. Oil has often, in Biblical language, been a symbol of the Holy Spirit. See Zechariah 4:1-14. The Candlestick represents the illumination a searcher of Truth receives in the heart when he makes the Word of God his standard to measure Truth to live by. "Thy word is a LAMP unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Psalms 119:105.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2.Timothy 3:16

"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6.

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."

This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself. (Revelation 21:1-4).
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so who will the antichrist kill in jerusalem then.are you saying this already happen?
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The topic of antichrist is a rather long sermon but briefly.. the claim antichrist is still to come is called "futurism". At the time of the protestant reformation all knew the Roman Church was that antichrist or another christ, claiming to be the true Christian Church of Jesus, even founded by Jesus with the pope as vicar.

There are numerous Bible identifiers of Rome in both Daniel and Revelation. Most of the book of Revelation has been fulfilled. We are at the very end of time. It has been 2000 years since Jesus and 6000 years since Adam.

Anyway, the Jesuits had to bring an end to the Reformation so devised this futurism theology.

Steve Wohlberg End Time Delusions
Antichrist Delusions
[link to video.google.com]

and this one is specifically on the Two Witnesses ..

[link to www.youtube.com]
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The Book of Mormon is another Testament of Christ Jesus.

He truly visited his other Sheep after his resurrection, here on the American continent. These people were of the house of Israel.


Anyways thanks for the prayers. You are on good paths.
hf
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There is no record of this supposed visit. The early christians make no mention of it and their word as historians is rather final on the matter.
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OP first needs to identify WHEN 1260 WAS??

1260 days (42 months) is prophetic time day = year.

Day-year principle
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

1260 day prophecy was first found in Daniel 7 -- the period the religious power of Rome would rule & persecute God's people known as the dark ages from 538 to 1798.

After 1798 the Bible went to all the world mass produced as a witness.



[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.revelations-two-witnesses.com]





Rv11:1-4 "And there was given me a reed like to a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein. But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given to the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months. And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."

The symbolism comes from Zechariah.

Zech.4:3 "And two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl, and the other on the left side thereof. So I answered and spoke to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? Then the angel that talked with me answered and said to me, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the LORD (...) Then answered I, and said to him, What are these two olive trees on the right side of the candlestick and on the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said to him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth. Then I turned, and lifted up my eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll."




The most popular opinion found among the Doctors of Theology is that the two witnesses are two prophets that shall come during the Great Tribulation Period, while some say that this prophecy of the two witnesses has a two-fold meaning. However, the Scriptures and recorded history show that the prophecy about the two witnesses has indeed come to pass.

Jesus our Lord said: "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a WITNESS UNTO ALL NATIONS and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:14. The Gospel taught from the Scriptures was to be a witness to all nations about the loving and saving power of Jesus Christ. It gives its hearers correction in right doing. It gives its believers hope for the future, and the promise of forgiveness for past sins through the sacrifice of Christ's death. "And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the Devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." 2.Timothy 2:26.

However, when the Roman Catholic Church became a religious dictatorship, the Scriptures were hidden from the vast population, and catechism was substituted instead of Bible study. The Gospel of the Bible became mingled with the pagan philosophies of Sun worship. The worship of the pagan Mother goddess became the idol of the Roman Catholic Church through the worship of the Virgin Mary.' When the Gospel became perverted through Romanism, God always had a remnant people who were teaching the True Faith during the 1260 years the Papacy cast the Truth to the ground. These faithful followers of Jesus were hunted down by papal authorities as heretics and criminals. They were tortured on the rack, burned at the stake; and it mattered not what age or sex, they were butchered in the name of Heaven.

When those faithful servants who proclaimed the sacred truths from the Old and New Testaments were tortured, murdered, thrown in dungeons and had to flee for their lives from the papal Inquisitors, the True Faith was forced to go underground. The Gospel set forth in the Old and New Testament that had to be preached into all the world for a witness to all nations before Christ would come again, was forced into a state of obscurity. This is what is meant by Revelation 11:3, "And they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS CLOTHED IN SACKCLOTH."

Sackcloth was worn by the Israelites in times of trouble and grief. (2.Samuel 3:31, 1.Chronicles 21:15, 16; Isaiah 37:1). The sackcloth here mentioned in Revelation 11:3 was to mourn the supression of the Old and New Testament by the papal authorities during the 1260 years. The two witnesses, the two olive trees, or the two candlesticks represented the light the Scripture gives its reader.

The Olive Tree was the Israelites' source of oil to anoint their kings and priests. Oil has often, in Biblical language, been a symbol of the Holy Spirit. See Zechariah 4:1-14. The Candlestick represents the illumination a searcher of Truth receives in the heart when he makes the Word of God his standard to measure Truth to live by. "Thy word is a LAMP unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Psalms 119:105.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2.Timothy 3:16

"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6.

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."

This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself. (Revelation 21:1-4).
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9905409


so who will the antichrist kill in jerusalem then.are you saying this already happen?
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The topic of antichrist is a rather long sermon but briefly.. the claim antichrist is still to come is called "futurism". At the time of the protestant reformation all knew the Roman Church was that antichrist or another christ, claiming to be the true Christian Church of Jesus, even founded by Jesus with the pope as vicar.

There are numerous Bible identifiers of Rome in both Daniel and Revelation. Most of the book of Revelation has been fulfilled. We are at the very end of time. It has been 2000 years since Jesus and 6000 years since Adam.

Anyway, the Jesuits had to bring an end to the Reformation so devised this futurism theology.

Steve Wohlberg End Time Delusions
Antichrist Delusions
[link to video.google.com]

and this one is specifically on the Two Witnesses ..

[link to www.youtube.com]
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I watched the videos they are pretty streachy.I know that the reformation was instrumental in the gospil going out.I don,t believe the scolars have it rite there is too much that can not be explained if you take this view.I would like you to read about Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur this i believe is a key to understanding the comming of Messiah.It is the only one of the festivals that i believe has not been fulfilled yet in history and prophesy.
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The Book of Mormon is another Testament of Christ Jesus.

He truly visited his other Sheep after his resurrection, here on the American continent. These people were of the house of Israel.


Anyways thanks for the prayers. You are on good paths.
hf
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I WILL BE PRAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE NOT A LIE AND FIND TRUTH IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
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I've been here for 25 years .
i don't belong to any one religion. I am love.

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I watched the videos they are pretty streachy.I know that the reformation was instrumental in the gospil going out.I don,t believe the scolars have it rite there is too much that can not be explained if you take this view.I would like you to read about Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur this i believe is a key to understanding the comming of Messiah.It is the only one of the festivals that i believe has not been fulfilled yet in history and prophesy.
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Whether you watched the three hours of video in 20 minutes or not neither the video presenters nor my earlier post are weak on scripture. The Bible defines its own symbolism. The two witnesses/candlesticks is symbolic for the Bible (Zech 4). We identify WHEN this was by the 1260 days. Prophetic time is ALWAYS day=year. That period is found several times in Rev and Dan and has been identified as the Dark or Middle Ages. It was Dark due to the suppression of the Bible.
After the Dark ages Napoleon ended the empire in 1798. This was in France and it was here (spiritually Sodom & Egypt i.e. atheist) where the two witnesses=Bible was killed when France passed a law banning the bible. This lasted 3.5 years/days after which the bible went to all the world-Christendom.

Antichrist is first identified in Daniel coming from the Roman Empire, not in the Future.

Many prophecies have been fulfilled confirming the Bible is the word of God!
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@ My favourite subject "The Two Holy Witnesses"

i like your choice of name Jesse

as im sure u are aware of the scripture that mentions "the branch of Jesse" :)
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That is my name it means (God exsists)
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Your surname isn`t James hopefully :)
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I want to know why that would concern you?
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Sorry about that Jesse it was a little joke

"Jesse James" the famous cowboy
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It is appointed once for man to die and then the judgement.

Two men in the bible never died but were taken bodily to heaven.

They will return and be killed but raised again.

I think the two men were Enoch and Elijah, not sure.

But anyway, for this passage to be true it must be true of all men, and these two didn't die, but will one day have to die. Their appointed time is yet to come though.
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I know that they are not Enoch and Elijah the scipture don't back that up.
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Scripture done back up part of your statement

Malachi chapter4,verse5.................

The Great Day of God

4 “For behold, the day is coming,
Burning like an oven,
And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“That will leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
3 You shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
4 “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”
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It is appointed once for man to die and then the judgement.

Two men in the bible never died but were taken bodily to heaven.

They will return and be killed but raised again.

I think the two men were Enoch and Elijah, not sure.

But anyway, for this passage to be true it must be true of all men, and these two didn't die, but will one day have to die. Their appointed time is yet to come though.
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The same could be said for anyone alive today .
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We must go by scripture to see if The Two Holy Witnesses
has already happened

Revelation chapter11,verse6....

6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood

uuummm i can`t remember that being on the TV news or in the news paper

That is because it hasn`t happened yet !!!!!!!!

People will know when this happens,cause they will be drinking the blood (or trying to drink it,should i say)

No wonder the people make merry and send one another gifts(verse10)

The Witnesses Resurrected

11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

uummm can`t remember this in the news either........
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Two Holy Witnesses not "symbolism"

and to believe that is "folly"
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We must go by scripture to see if The Two Holy Witnesses
has already happened

Revelation chapter11,verse6....

6 These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood

uuummm i can`t remember that being on the TV news or in the news paper

That is because it hasn`t happened yet !!!!!!!!

People will know when this happens,cause they will be drinking the blood (or trying to drink it,should i say)

No wonder the people make merry and send one another gifts(verse10)

The Witnesses Resurrected

11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. 12 And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. 13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.

uummm can`t remember this in the news either........
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Drinking blood and why Revelation chapter16,verse6.......

read it and weep

6For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets,
And You have given them blood to drink.
For it is their just due.”
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I've been here for 25 years .
i don't belong to any one religion. I am love.


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I know you are not one of the two Witnesses.You might be a witness for Jesus and you might not.
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Some of them are, some of them are jewish people...
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That is my name it means (God exsists)
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Your surname isn`t James hopefully :)
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I want to know why that would concern you?
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Sorry about that Jesse it was a little joke

"Jesse James" the famous cowboy
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I like that is very funny you had me going for a minute.
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02/02/2012 02:19 PM
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Re: The two witnesses are gentiles
Two Holy Witnesses not "symbolism"

and to believe that is "folly"
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I see that you have prayed for wisdom on this subject.May God bless and keep you in his favor as you walk and do his will.
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02/02/2012 02:40 PM
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Re: The two witnesses are gentiles
It is appointed once for man to die and then the judgement.

Two men in the bible never died but were taken bodily to heaven.

They will return and be killed but raised again.

I think the two men were Enoch and Elijah, not sure.

But anyway, for this passage to be true it must be true of all men, and these two didn't die, but will one day have to die. Their appointed time is yet to come though.
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I know that they are not Enoch and Elijah the scipture don't back that up.
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Scripture done back up part of your statement

Malachi chapter4,verse5.................

The Great Day of God

4 “For behold, the day is coming,
Burning like an oven,
And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“That will leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
3 You shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
4 “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”
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The great day of the lord is at the end of the tribulation period.
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02/02/2012 02:55 PM
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Re: The two witnesses are gentiles
Some of them are, some of them are jewish people...
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I don't understand what are you tring to say.
Jesse (OP)
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02/02/2012 10:06 PM
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Re: The two witnesses are gentiles
Also the Book of Mormon records another group around 2247 B.C. Who migrated to America at the time of the tower of Babel.

Genesis 11

 7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.

 8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city.

 9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the Lord did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

These peoples records will be restored to the jewish people or the house of Isreal through the Gentile.
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There is no evidance both in native american,sectular or in jewish history that i have found.Where do you get your infomation from?
Jesse (OP)
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02/02/2012 10:35 PM
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Re: The two witnesses are gentiles
I watched the videos they are pretty streachy.I know that the reformation was instrumental in the gospil going out.I don,t believe the scolars have it rite there is too much that can not be explained if you take this view.I would like you to read about Rosh HaShanah and Yom Kippur this i believe is a key to understanding the comming of Messiah.It is the only one of the festivals that i believe has not been fulfilled yet in history and prophesy.
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Whether you watched the three hours of video in 20 minutes or not neither the video presenters nor my earlier post are weak on scripture. The Bible defines its own symbolism. The two witnesses/candlesticks is symbolic for the Bible (Zech 4). We identify WHEN this was by the 1260 days. Prophetic time is ALWAYS day=year. That period is found several times in Rev and Dan and has been identified as the Dark or Middle Ages. It was Dark due to the suppression of the Bible.
After the Dark ages Napoleon ended the empire in 1798. This was in France and it was here (spiritually Sodom & Egypt i.e. atheist) where the two witnesses=Bible was killed when France passed a law banning the bible. This lasted 3.5 years/days after which the bible went to all the world-Christendom.

Antichrist is first identified in Daniel coming from the Roman Empire, not in the Future.

Many prophecies have been fulfilled confirming the Bible is the word of God!
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What about the european union? I think they might qualify as a new roman empire.
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02/02/2012 11:41 PM
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Re: The two witnesses are gentiles
This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself. (Revelation 21:1-4).
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They are changing the scriptures now. They are changing the son and father to appease the muslims.
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I don't understand what in this has to do with muslims.
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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02/03/2012 12:14 AM
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Re: The two witnesses are gentiles
It is appointed once for man to die and then the judgement.

Two men in the bible never died but were taken bodily to heaven.

They will return and be killed but raised again.

I think the two men were Enoch and Elijah, not sure.

But anyway, for this passage to be true it must be true of all men, and these two didn't die, but will one day have to die. Their appointed time is yet to come though.
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The same could be said for anyone alive today .
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what do you mean?
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02/03/2012 01:18 AM
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Re: The two witnesses are gentiles
More Two Witnesses study ..
[link to www.endtimes-bibleprophecy.com]

The Bible gives the answer to this fulfilled prophecy without any predictions.



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