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The two witnesses are gentiles

 
paul
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We know by scripture The Two Holy Witnesses have a battle with the beast,and the beast kills them,to see about this battle we must go to Revelation chapter13,verse3-4

3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

Why did the people say "who is able to make war with him"...

Because the people see this beast kill The Two holy witnesses

(maybe on TV news) and the people in there confusion,think

Two Holy Witnesses are evil and the beast is God,and the beast fools them into believing this by making fire fall from the sky this is why

in verse12-14 it says.........

12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
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We know by scripture The Two Holy Witnesses have a battle with the beast,and the beast kills them,to see about this battle we must go to Revelation chapter13,verse3-4

3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

Why did the people say "who is able to make war with him"...

Because the people see this beast kill The Two holy witnesses

(maybe on TV news) and the people in there confusion,think

Two Holy Witnesses are evil and the beast is God,and the beast fools them into believing this by making fire fall from the sky this is why

in verse12-14 it says.........

12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
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Don`t be deceived,when this scripture happens,unlike these as mentioned in Rev11,v10.........

10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
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The two witnesses will NOT be gentiles, but Levites, AKA kin of Moses who have earned the rite to stand inside the temple. They have to be kin to be reincarnated witnesses that helped lay the foundation of Saint Peter

Beda First Stone

and are here to place the cap on the pyramid.

Our time has com

You all do know Moses was Egyptian before he went to IsRAel, rite?

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We know by scripture The Two Holy Witnesses have a battle with the beast,and the beast kills them,to see about this battle we must go to Revelation chapter13,verse3-4

3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?”

Why did the people say "who is able to make war with him"...

Because the people see this beast kill The Two holy witnesses

(maybe on TV news) and the people in there confusion,think

Two Holy Witnesses are evil and the beast is God,and the beast fools them into believing this by making fire fall from the sky this is why

in verse12-14 it says.........

12 And he exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence, and causes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13 He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. 14 And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived.
 Quoting: paul 10096575


Don`t be deceived,when this scripture happens,unlike these as mentioned in Rev11,v10.........

10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.
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The Two Holy Witnesses will ONLY torment those persons that are un-godly,remember all they are offering is the truth

and the truth shall set you free

How long will it take for The Two Holy Witnesses to arrive on our seen

ONLY Our Lord knows

But we do know by scripture that it will be this generation,
as mentioned in
Matthew chapter24..........
Mark chapter13
and
Luke chapter21

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

4 And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom.((((((((((((This was for filled in 1912-1945 World War One and Two)))))))And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places(((((((TODAY)))))))
. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake((((((((((((kill you for not receiving 666 mark)))))))). 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations(((((((((((Two Holy Witnesses))))))))), and then the end will come.

The Great Tribulation

15 “Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’((((((((((Beast))))))))) spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), 16 “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake((((((Elect are the ones who don`t receive 666)))))) those days will be shortened.

23 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand.

26 “Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 28 For wherever the carcass is, there the eagles will be gathered together.

The Coming of the Son of Man

29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The Parable of the Fig Tree

32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors! 34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation((((((((same generation that witnesses World War 1 and 2)))))))) will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour

36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken ((((((((The one taken is the person who hasn`t received 666 mark)))))and the other left(((((((the one left has the 666 mark))))))))). 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect
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Mark chapter 13

Tells us a little extra to the riddle

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age

3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter, James, John, and Andrew asked Him privately, 4 “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign when all these things will be fulfilled?”

5 And Jesus, answering them, began to say: “Take heed that no one deceives you. 6 For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and will deceive many. 7 But when you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be troubled;(((((TODAY)))) for such things must happen, but the end is not yet. 8 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be earthquakes in various places, and there will be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.

9 “But watch out for yourselves, for they will deliver you up to councils, and you will be beaten in the synagogues. You will be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony to them. 10 And the gospel must first be preached to all the nations. 11 But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that;((((((((((This info is for the persons that refuse to receive 666 mark))))))))) for it is not you who speak, 12 Now brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and cause them to be put to death(((((((((again for those persons that refuse to receive 666 mark)))))))). 13 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.((((((((and again)))))))

The Great Tribulation

14 “So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation," spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 15 Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. 16 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 17 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 18 And pray that your flight may not be in winter. 19 For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be. 20 And unless the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He chose, He shortened the days.

21 “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. 22 For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 23 But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand.

The Coming of the Son of Man

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

The Parable of the Fig Tree

28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it[f] is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation(((((((This generation)))))))) will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour

32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”
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Some of them are, some of them are jewish people...
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I don't understand what are you tring to say.
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The two witnesses are the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel (Rev. 7:1-8). Only a small portion of them are jewish people. Most are scattered throughout the nations and consider themselves Gentiles. The ancient nation of Israel was split after the reign of King Solomon into two nations: the House of Israel (Samaria aka Ephraim) and the House of Judah (the jewish people). This is why the 144,000 are called the TWO witnesses.
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There will be 144 000 witnesses. And thats the 100% truth.
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Yes, the 144,000 are the TWO witnesses (divided into the two ancient Houses of Israel and Judah).
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Luke chapter21

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age

7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

8 And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them. 9 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately.”

10 Then He said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake. 13 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. 18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 19 By your patience possess your souls.((((((((((((((Revelation chapter20,verse4.. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.)))))))))))

The Destruction of Jerusalem

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The Coming of the Son of Man

25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

The Parable of the Fig Tree

29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

The Importance of Watching

34 “But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy[c] to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
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There will be 144 000 witnesses. And thats the 100% truth.
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Yes, the 144,000 are the TWO witnesses (divided into the two ancient Houses of Israel and Judah).
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Not what the Bible says.
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There will be 144 000 witnesses. And thats the 100% truth.
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Yes, the 144,000 are the TWO witnesses (divided into the two ancient Houses of Israel and Judah).
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Not what the Bible says.
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Yes, it does. But it says it using symbols and themes, which most people cannot understand.
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Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. ( Christ on His 3 1/2 year mission to wake up ISRAEL!)
Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. ( Satan)
And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, ( THE HOLY SPIRIT )and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.”( Christ came when sin was at it’s fullness) ( Christ is the VINE and we are His branches) So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, ( Satan killing Christ on the cross) and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. ( He became sin for us WHO knew no sin) When Christ said “ IT IS FINISHED, HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID”!) And the winepress was trampled outside the city, ( Christ was crucified outside the city) and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.

The Romans measured Israel during the time of Christ as 1600 furlongs!
(From top to bottom Israel’s length was 1600 furlongs as measured by the Romans!) ( SALVATION WAS OFFERED TO ALL OF ISRAEL!) ( Christ died FIRST for the jewish people )
THE FOLLOWING links ARE FROM ISRAEL 2000 YEARS AGO VIA ROMAN MEASUREMENTS 1600 FURLONGS !

The horse’s bridles are the northern and southern borders of Judea during the time of Christ!

1. Revelation and the Destruction of Jerusalem - Sabbath More Fully
www.sabbathmorefully.net/?page_id=270 - Cached
David Chilton, in his book, Days of Vengeance, page 376, notes that 1600 furlongs is the length of literal Israel, as measured by Rome during the time of the ...
2. Revelation Chapter 14
www.truthnet.org/christianity/revelation/revelation14/ - CachedSimilar
This final period ends as the armies of the earth gather the length of Israel. ..... Babylon is a hidden reference to Rome because of the potential of persecution. 2. ..... 1600 furlongs is 181 miles is the length of Israel from the North to the south. ...
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There will be 144 000 witnesses. And thats the 100% truth.
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Yes, the 144,000 are the TWO witnesses (divided into the two ancient Houses of Israel and Judah).
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Not what the Bible says.
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Yes, it does. But it says it using symbols and themes, which most people cannot understand.
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The 144K are another witnesses by themselves, probably picked up by the Two. They are not the same IMO.

10“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me. 11I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior.
12I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand. Isaiah 43
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Yes, the 144,000 are the TWO witnesses (divided into the two ancient Houses of Israel and Judah).
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Not what the Bible says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3635211


Yes, it does. But it says it using symbols and themes, which most people cannot understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10099619


The 144K are another witnesses by themselves, probably picked up by the Two. They are not the same IMO.

10“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me. 11I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior.
12I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand. Isaiah 43
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... For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them. Matthew 18:20

One witness is not enough to convict a man accused of any crime or offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. Deuteronomy 19:15

… Deuteronomy 17:6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.

… 1 John 5:6 This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
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Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, (Satan poured out all of his hatred toward Jesus Christ, he riled up all the religious leaders and his demonic forces and took Christ in all His Great humility when He was arrested in the Garden) and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings (The invisible kingdoms) from the east might be prepared. And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, (Satan) out of the mouth of the beast,(The Grave) and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (The sting of death) For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty. ( We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and rulers of darkness in high places……. Satan and his fallen angels are gathering for The Great Day Of the LORD, “the Battle Of Armageddon”, the victory was won on The Cross of Christ, 2000 years ago. Jesus Christ Himself said it is finished!)
“Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon. ( Satan gathered all of his demonic hordes to watch as he killed The Son Of God on the Cross)( If Satan had known that he would be defeated for all eternity because of Jesus Christ’s death, he would not have crucified The LORD OF GLORY)

And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; (Christ poured out His Blood and Water while in the air on the cross!) and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, “It is done.”
(Jesus Christ said it on the cross, “It Is Finished!”)


And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

And the great city was divided into three parts, (the three zones of the earth are frigid, temperate and torrid zone……( COLD, LUKEWARM AND HOT!) ( You either Hate Him, Like Him, or You Love Him with all your heart!) and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.
( The Holy Spirit convicts men of their sin, but sadly most do not respond and repent unto eternal life)
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Not what the Bible says.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3635211


Yes, it does. But it says it using symbols and themes, which most people cannot understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10099619


The 144K are another witnesses by themselves, probably picked up by the Two. They are not the same IMO.

10“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me. 11I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior.
12I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand. Isaiah 43
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... For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them. Matthew 18:20

One witness is not enough to convict a man accused of any crime or offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. Deuteronomy 19:15

… Deuteronomy 17:6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.

… 1 John 5:6 This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
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Revelation 11

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. (John was given a time piece so to speak) And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. (Count the sons of Abraham) But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles.
And they will tread (Gentiles did not know the needed Salvation until It was delivered to us, we mocked the things of God out of ignorance) the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (“42” generations from Adam to Jesus Christ)
And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, (1260 divided by 360 = 42 months “42” generations from Adam to Jesus Christ) clothed in sackcloth.”
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
(Christ was on earth in many forms since creation…. For 42 generations!

Read Zechariah 4 “Vision of the Lampstands and Olive Trees”

THE “WATER AND THE BLOOD” FLOWING FROM CHRIST SIDE ON THE CROSS ARE THE TWO WITNESSES!

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. (Before Abraham was “I AM”) The above is speaking of every event listed in “The Entire Bible Pertaining To God” EVERY PROPHET, EVERY SACRIFICE, MOSES IN EGYPT, AND ON AND ON!) This is AWESOME REVELATION

(He lead His chosen people for 42 generations from creation, to the time when sin was at it’s fullness and then came in the “form of man” and allowed man to kill Him so He could deliver us from our bondage, THAT IS LOVE!)

When they finish their testimony, (After 42 generations the time was ripe for Jesus Christ to be born of a virgin and save His people from sin by dying for us in our sinful condition)
the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

(Amen, Jesus Christ is risen from death and the grave victoriously)
Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. (CHRIST appeared to many people for 40 days after His resurrection and seeing HIM would have greatly startled everyone! Read Acts 1:3)
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. ( God wishes none would perish, I believe HIS enemies spoken of here are Satan and his demons, who were all sitting in the bleachers as HIS death had unfolded before their eyes and they thought they had won!)( GOD’S beef is not with man it is with Satan!) In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
Then the seventh angel sounded: (JESUS CHRIST THE VICTOR IS THE SEVENTH !)
And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” ( CHRIST ON HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN!)
And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying:


“ We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come, ( You lived and died and rose from the dead!)
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. ( You have taken the keys of death and the grave from Satan, the earth can no longer hold us as it’s slaves in any form!)
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, ( God poured out His wrath on His Son! )
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, ( “NOW” men will only be judged by “YOU” )
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,(Thank Jesus, eternal life is ours brothers and sisters!)
And those who fear Your name, small and great, (“God is very just”, all Christians win heaven)
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” ( Satan and his demons destroyed the earth!)


Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.
( JESUS CHRIST is THE TEMPLE, JESUS CHRIST is THE ARK, JESUS CHRIST is HIS COVENANT!)
And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
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Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. (John was given a time piece so to speak) And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5615806


The 144,000.

12Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will he leave it. I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name. Rev 3


1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? ... 6:19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; ...
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problem is here,
that ' the house of judah ' does NOT equal "a certain now existing national state "

God doesnt care about any wordly state

..all of that kind of thinking is detestable british-israelism

- but you can imagine whý 'the synagogue ' (Rev.2:9) created the present m-east situation, no?

as substitude for the spiritual meaning / truth

..so that all Truths will be interpreted as Fleshy events
= worldly situation

and all spiritual will be distracted and killed.

its heartbreaking.
It is.
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Yhat is kind of antisemetic god is the alpa and the omega.It began with the jewish people it will end with the jewish people.
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The Inner City of London is New Jerusalem. The place where the Bank of England lives is also where the the Knights Templar live, as in knight of the Temple of Solomon. There are the various inns of the court. Lincolns inn, the grey inn, inner court & the outercourt.

The saduccees and pharasees are modern day politicians and lawyers.

It is all word smithing.
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I know that they are not Enoch and Elijah the scipture don't back that up.
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Scripture done back up part of your statement

Malachi chapter4,verse5.................

The Great Day of God

4 “For behold, the day is coming,
Burning like an oven,
And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble.
And the day which is coming shall burn them up,”
Says the Lord of hosts,
“That will leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But to you who fear My name
The Sun of Righteousness shall arise
With healing in His wings;
And you shall go out
And grow fat like stall-fed calves.
3 You shall trample the wicked,
For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet
On the day that I do this,”
Says the Lord of hosts.
4 “Remember the Law of Moses, My servant,
Which I commanded him in Horeb for all Israel,
With the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
6 And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”
 Quoting: paul 10038779


The great day of the lord is at the end of the tribulation period.
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We know words are important,so please be sure to see the word """"BEFORE"""" in the sentence,then u will know it not on about the end end,it is on about BEFORE the end end
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IT depends on the translation if i forgot the before it was my fault. This is just my interpitation of end times prophesy all of us have our own veiw of it just some thing to make us all think. The important message is that about our lord Jesus christ and that he is returning to retrieve all of us before these times soon so very soon. I look forward to meeting you paul then.
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The Inner City of London is New Jerusalem. The place where the Bank of England lives is also where the the Knights Templar live, as in knight of the Temple of Solomon. There are the various inns of the court. Lincolns inn, the grey inn, inner court & the outercourt.

The saduccees and pharasees are modern day politicians and lawyers.

It is all word smithing.
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Ok that is one of the most bizzar things i have ever heard.
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Yes, it does. But it says it using symbols and themes, which most people cannot understand.
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The 144K are another witnesses by themselves, probably picked up by the Two. They are not the same IMO.

10“You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord,“and my servant whom I have chosen,
so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed,
nor will there be one after me. 11I, even I, am the Lord, and apart from me there is no savior.
12I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “that I am God.13Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand. Isaiah 43
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... For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them. Matthew 18:20

One witness is not enough to convict a man accused of any crime or offense he may have committed. A matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. Deuteronomy 19:15

… Deuteronomy 17:6 On the testimony of two or three witnesses a man shall be put to death, but no one shall be put to death on the testimony of only one witness.

… 1 John 5:6 This is the one who came by water and blood--Jesus Christ. He did not come by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3635211


Revelation 11

Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. (John was given a time piece so to speak) And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. (Count the sons of Abraham) But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles.
And they will tread (Gentiles did not know the needed Salvation until It was delivered to us, we mocked the things of God out of ignorance) the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (“42” generations from Adam to Jesus Christ)
And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, (1260 divided by 360 = 42 months “42” generations from Adam to Jesus Christ) clothed in sackcloth.”
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
(Christ was on earth in many forms since creation…. For 42 generations!

Read Zechariah 4 “Vision of the Lampstands and Olive Trees”

THE “WATER AND THE BLOOD” FLOWING FROM CHRIST SIDE ON THE CROSS ARE THE TWO WITNESSES!

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. (Before Abraham was “I AM”) The above is speaking of every event listed in “The Entire Bible Pertaining To God” EVERY PROPHET, EVERY SACRIFICE, MOSES IN EGYPT, AND ON AND ON!) This is AWESOME REVELATION

(He lead His chosen people for 42 generations from creation, to the time when sin was at it’s fullness and then came in the “form of man” and allowed man to kill Him so He could deliver us from our bondage, THAT IS LOVE!)

When they finish their testimony, (After 42 generations the time was ripe for Jesus Christ to be born of a virgin and save His people from sin by dying for us in our sinful condition)
the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

(Amen, Jesus Christ is risen from death and the grave victoriously)
Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. (CHRIST appeared to many people for 40 days after His resurrection and seeing HIM would have greatly startled everyone! Read Acts 1:3)
And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. ( God wishes none would perish, I believe HIS enemies spoken of here are Satan and his demons, who were all sitting in the bleachers as HIS death had unfolded before their eyes and they thought they had won!)( GOD’S beef is not with man it is with Satan!) In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
Then the seventh angel sounded: (JESUS CHRIST THE VICTOR IS THE SEVENTH !)
And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” ( CHRIST ON HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN!)
And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying:


“ We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come, ( You lived and died and rose from the dead!)
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. ( You have taken the keys of death and the grave from Satan, the earth can no longer hold us as it’s slaves in any form!)
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, ( God poured out His wrath on His Son! )
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, ( “NOW” men will only be judged by “YOU” )
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,(Thank Jesus, eternal life is ours brothers and sisters!)
And those who fear Your name, small and great, (“God is very just”, all Christians win heaven)
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” ( Satan and his demons destroyed the earth!)


Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.
( JESUS CHRIST is THE TEMPLE, JESUS CHRIST is THE ARK, JESUS CHRIST is HIS COVENANT!)
And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.
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I do not know what you are tring to say could you summerize this a little for me thanks.
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Luke chapter21

The Signs of the Times and the End of the Age

7 So they asked Him, saying, “Teacher, but when will these things be? And what sign will there be when these things are about to take place?”

8 And He said: “Take heed that you not be deceived. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am He,’ and, ‘The time has drawn near.’ Therefore do not go after them. 9 But when you hear of wars and commotions, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first, but the end will not come immediately.”

10 Then He said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven. 12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons. You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake. 13 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony. 14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist. 16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death. 17 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. 18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 19 By your patience possess your souls.((((((((((((((Revelation chapter20,verse4.. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.)))))))))))

The Destruction of Jerusalem

20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. 22 For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled. 23 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. 24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.

The Coming of the Son of Man

25 “And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; 26 men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

The Parable of the Fig Tree

29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

The Importance of Watching

34 “But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. 35 For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy[c] to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
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AMEN BROTHER AMEN
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The two witnesses will NOT be gentiles, but Levites, AKA kin of Moses who have earned the rite to stand inside the temple. They have to be kin to be reincarnated witnesses that helped lay the foundation of Saint Peter

:Beda First Stone:

and are here to place the cap on the pyramid.

:Our time has com:

You all do know Moses was Egyptian before he went to IsRAel, rite?

:Cross and snake:
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Reincarnation really you need know that after death is the judgement.I have never seen anthing about reincarnation in the bible.
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BUTCH why do you waste time arguing with the servant of the Devil instead of paying attention to what the Lord may be trying to show you. WAKE UP NOW!!!
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Is this directed to me or are you just talking about all the crazy things that came to the post.
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Two witnesses are the J3WS and Christians....
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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problem is here,
that ' the house of judah ' does NOT equal "a certain now existing national state "

God doesnt care about any wordly state

..all of that kind of thinking is detestable british-israelism

- but you can imagine whý 'the synagogue ' (Rev.2:9) created the present m-east situation, no?

as substitude for the spiritual meaning / truth

..so that all Truths will be interpreted as Fleshy events
= worldly situation

and all spiritual will be distracted and killed.

its heartbreaking.
It is.
 Quoting: Lone 1644220


That is kind of antisemetic. God is the alpa and the omega.It began with the jewish people it will end with the jewish people.
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Two witnesses are the J3WS and Christians....
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We being christians are the new covenant and under grace and the jewish people are the old covenant and under the law.I am inclined to agree with you metaphorically of couse, because the law tells us what sin is.I think that they are from the the new covenant because there can be no reconcilation to God without Jesus that would make them gentiles acording to old covenant.
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Some of them are, some of them are jewish people...
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I don't understand what are you tring to say.
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The two witnesses are the 144,000 from the tribes of Israel (Rev. 7:1-8). Only a small portion of them are jewish people. Most are scattered throughout the nations and consider themselves Gentiles. The ancient nation of Israel was split after the reign of King Solomon into two nations: the House of Israel (Samaria aka Ephraim) and the House of Judah (the jewish people). This is why the 144,000 are called the TWO witnesses.
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oh i see now what you are saying thanks.
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There will be 144 000 witnesses. And thats the 100% truth.
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Yes they are who the two witness come for most all the cristians have been raptured
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The two witnesses are the:

The Old and New Testament hmm

a day for a Year rule : in Bible Prophecy's
I don't think any modern man can Fulfill this prophecy, as most live to be a Hundred or so tops.

"And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth." Revelation 11:3

"These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth." Revelation 11:4

"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth." Revelation 11:10

"And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them." Revelation 11:11

"And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up here. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them." Revelation 11:12

"And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven." Revelation 11:13


Also See Zechariah 4:11-Zechariah 5:4
The Two Olive trees/Lamp-stands turn into a massive scroll, then into two anointed ones who minster to the whole Earth.

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