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The two witnesses are gentiles

 
Jesse (OP)
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Zerubbabel and Joshua are examples of what the 144,000 are. Zerubbabel was governor of Judah when Solomon built the temple and he was a good one, so the Lord uses him as His example of what the governing (king like) portion of the 144,000 will be. Joshua represents the priestly half. He was the high priest during Solomons time.
The two witnesses will be from among this group. Perhaps it will be someone like Elijah, but I think he has already come as John the Baptist, but I don't know for sure.
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He already has Jesus told us that he was john the baptist.In the book of matthew.
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My best CANDIDATE ARE ZERUBBABEL, JOSHUA OR ZEREMIAH. hf
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I think personally they are ones we have not seen yet.
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I have really enjoyed all of this debate and speculation on the two witnesses.I hope that we will all know soon who they are. I think that God could make anyone he chooses the two witnesses they don't have to be what all of us think they are,but i do know this that they are alive and out there preparing for there job to do for God and must be somekind of cristian the world has not seen since the begining of the church and the new covenant.I personally think that it is a shame that we are not all out there acting in faith and giving all of our lives to Jesus he calls us to be fishers of men should we all be fishing and spreading the word so that no one has to suffer the comming tribulation.Do not hide your lamps under a bowl put them in the window for everyone to see.I love you all brothers and sisters in Christ and look forward to getting to know all of you.I will see you in new Jerusalem soon.
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The Two Witnesses are definitely two persons (not systems, religions, etc.). They are also definitely Christians (of course). But they are not necessarily gentiles!

The Two Witnesses are most probably Israelite Christians.
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Why do you think they will be israelites?
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I have really enjoyed all of this debate and speculation on the two witnesses.I hope that we will all know soon who they are. I think that God could make anyone he chooses the two witnesses they don't have to be what all of us think they are,but i do know this that they are alive and out there preparing for there job to do for God and must be somekind of christian the world has not seen since the begining of the church and the new covenant.I personally think that it is a shame that we are not all out there acting in faith and giving all of our lives to Jesus he calls us to be fishers of men should we all be fishing and spreading the word so that no one has to suffer the comming tribulation.Do not hide your lamps under a bowl put them in the window for everyone to see.I love you all brothers and sisters in Christ and look forward to getting to know all of you.I will see you in new Jerusalem soon.
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THIS ARE MANS OF GOD THAT GOD TOLD THE THAT THEY WILL BE BACK!
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Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Jeremiah are 2 that maybe the 2 witnesses
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Why do you think it will be them?
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Not only that but i think that they are hated even amongst the gentiles.
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Yes! Thats right. Your LEADERS will lie to the WORLD on TV and the NEWS telling that they were responsible for many problems . So people will think that they are TERRORIST if people don't start getting the holy spirit thue prayer and reading the bible and bealive what the bible said. I just came to GLP to give witness of the true that people need to still follow the 10 commandments of God to avoid the the MARK OF THE BEAST! I witness something in a VISION THAT AS LONGEST YOU follow the 10 COMMANDMENT and JESUS CHRIST YOU WILL BE SAFE because you live on earth it does't mean you are from earth. So my other POINT IS THAT DON'T WISH TO FIND PEACE WITH THE NWO BECAUSE YOUR GOD TOLD YOU THAT SATAN IS BEHIND THE NWO AND IT WONT LAST IS A TRICK TO GRAB YOUR SOUL . Just wait. For the KINGDOM OF GOD, GOD WILL BE LIVING WITH YOU ON EARTH AFTER YOU PROVE GOD YOU LOVE HIM AND WAITING FOR HIM. YES! YES! THE POINT THIS IS THE POINT OF THE TWO WITNESS AND TO SHOW YOU THE FACE OF THE ANTCHRIST BECAUSE YOU CAN NOT SEE THE FALSE SPIRIT INSIDE THE BODY YOU NEED SOMEONE TO POINT HIS FINGER AT THE ANTICHRIST BECAUSE HE WILL THE LIKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE
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I also believe the 2 witnesses will declare who the anti-christ is -- that is why he will try to kill them. However, he cannot kill them until it is God's time.
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That is true and the sad thing is that all the true servants of Christ Jesus will be raptured they will be by themselfes as far as fellow believers i mean.
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For those who believe The Two Holy Witnesses will be 2 men,
how can they battle with the beast ??

lets look at scripture to see how

Isaiah chapter14,verse12-17................

The Fall of Lucifer

12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16 “Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?

did u read verse16-17

wow what a book the bible
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For those who believe The Two Holy Witnesses will be 2 men,
how can they battle with the beast ??

lets look at scripture to see how

Isaiah chapter14,verse12-17................

The Fall of Lucifer

12 “How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer,son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol,
To the lowest depths of the Pit.
16 “Those who see you will gaze at you,
And consider you, saying:
‘Is this the man who made the earth tremble,
Who shook kingdoms,
17 Who made the world as a wilderness
And destroyed its cities,
Who did not open the house of his prisoners?

did u read verse16-17

wow what a book the bible
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Isaiah is one of my most favorite books of the old test.
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My favourite piece of scripture is Psalms chapter 27,verse11-14
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11 Teach me Your way, O Lord,
And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies.
12 Do not deliver me to the will of my adversaries;
For false witnesses have risen against me,
And such as breathe out violence.
13 I would have lost heart, unless I had believed
That I would see the goodness of the Lord
In the land of the living.
14 Wait on the Lord;
Be of good courage,
And He shall strengthen your heart;
Wait, I say, on the Lord!
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The Kingdom Of God is alive inside of every Blood washed Christian!
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THIS ARE MANS OF GOD THAT GOD TOLD THE THAT THEY WILL BE BACK!
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Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Jeremiah are 2 that maybe the 2 witnesses
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Why do you think it will be them?
 Quoting: Jesse 9006464
Hi Jesse, I realy believe that the spirit of Jerubbabel and Joshua will be up on it feet again, but do you read in : Zecharih 3 Zechariah 3:1-10KJV

And he shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the Lord, and Satan standing athisright hand to resist him.And theLord said untoSatan, The Lord rebuke thee, O Satan; even the Lord that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and stood before the angel. And he answered and spake unto those that stood before him, saying, Take away the filthy garments from him. And unto him he said, Behold, I have caused thine iniquity to pass from thee, and I will clothe thee with change of raiment. And I said, Let them set a fair mitre upon his head. So they set a fair mitre upon his head, and clothed him with garments. And the angel of theLord stood by. And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by. Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the BRANCH. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day. In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.
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Did you read the part that God is telling Joshua that if he obey God and follow his ways Joshua could WALK among those that stand by. So joshua have power like Angels. And the reason for me to think that Jerubbabel and Joshua is the 2 witness is because at the TEMPLO they witneess the GLORY OF GOD.
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My favourite piece of scripture is Psalms chapter 27,verse11-14
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11 Teach me Your way, O Lord,
And lead me in a smooth path, because of my enemies.
12 Do not deliver me to the will of my adversaries;
For false witnesses have risen against me,
And such as breathe out violence.
13 I would have lost heart, unless I had believed
That I would see the goodness of the Lord
In the land of the living.
14 Wait on the Lord;
Be of good courage,
And He shall strengthen your heart;
Wait, I say, on the Lord!
 Quoting: paul 10267798


All the Psalms are very good.They are full of hidden truth.
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Did you read the part that God is telling Joshua that if he obey God and follow his ways Joshua could WALK among those that stand by. So joshua have power like Angels. And the reason for me to think that Jerubbabel and Joshua is the 2 witness is because at the TEMPLO they witneess the GLORY OF GOD.
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All of us should be witnessing to the glory of God.Any believer in faith is able to witness this way in accordance with God's will.
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Did you read the part that God is telling Joshua that if he obey God and follow his ways Joshua could WALK among those that stand by. So joshua have power like Angels. And the reason for me to think that Jerubbabel and Joshua is the 2 witness is because at the TEMPLO they witneess the GLORY OF GOD.
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OF course that is why it was a foot note in my post
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Zerubbabel and Joshua are examples of what the 144,000 are. Zerubbabel was governor of Judah when Solomon built the temple and he was a good one, so the Lord uses him as His example of what the governing (king like) portion of the 144,000 will be. Joshua represents the priestly half. He was the high priest during Solomons time.
The two witnesses will be from among this group. Perhaps it will be someone like Elijah, but I think he has already come as John the Baptist, but I don't know for sure.
 Quoting: bigD111


why does everyone think that is someone from the past?
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The 144,000 are the witnesses. Represented by Zerubbabel and Joshua, the two olive trees. They are the example the Lord used to show that one will have governmental authority and the other will have priestly authority. The 144000 are descendants of the tribes and they are christian. 12,000 from each tribe, just like it says, but they will come from all over the world and Christ is their King.
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No.
The 2 witnesses are 2 specific people.
They are not an entity or group or what you want to fancy or believe.

The Word specifically says 2 bodies will lie dead and be resurrected in front of the eyes of the world.

They are 2 specific men.

The 144,000 are those that are sealed by God to proclaim and share the message of the Gospel to all, during the time of judgement.

I am incline to believe though that these are believers in Jesus Christ, BEFORE they enter the TRIBULATION period for it is said they will be protected and not under God's Wrath.

In Jesus Christ.
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Yes they are two people.
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I don't think that the two Witnesses are Moses,Elijah,Zuerabeel,Joshua or any other bibical figure from our history.
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I have been trying to say the same thing, it won't be anyone from the past, it will simply be two of the 144,000.
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I have been trying to say the same thing, it won't be anyone from the past, it will simply be two of the 144,000.
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Yes but they are use to call the 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel.
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THIS ARE MANS OF GOD THAT GOD TOLD THE THAT THEY WILL BE BACK!
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Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Jeremiah are 2 that maybe the 2 witnesses
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It is not Zerubbable or Jeremiah.
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THIS ARE MANS OF GOD THAT GOD TOLD THE THAT THEY WILL BE BACK!
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Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Jeremiah are 2 that maybe the 2 witnesses
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It is not Zerubbable or Jeremiah.
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Jesse, if is not ZERUBBABEL & JOSHUA. Then I need you to show me who you think is. Because even MICHAEL will stand up in the last days, because of the DARKNESS AND LOCK OF UNDERSTANDING AMONG US.
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Zechariah 3 (New King James)


Vision of the High Priest

3 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel.

4 Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, “Take away the filthy garments from him.” And to him He said, “See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes.”

5 And I said, “Let them put a clean turban on his head.”

So they put a clean turban on his head, and they put the clothes on him. And the Angel of the Lord stood by.

The Coming Branch

6 Then the Angel of the Lord admonished Joshua, saying, 7 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:

‘If you will walk in My ways,
And if you will keep My command,
Then you shall also judge My house,
And likewise have charge of My courts;
I will give you places to walk
Among these who stand here.
8 ‘Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,
You and your companions who sit before you,
For they are a wondrous sign;
For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH.
9 For behold, the stone
That I have laid before Joshua:
Upon the stone are seven eyes.
Behold, I will engrave its inscription,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
10 In that day,’ says the Lord of hosts,
‘Everyone will invite his neighbor
Under his vine and under his fig tree.’”

This scripture speaks of Joshua becoming "The High priest"

and NOT one of The 2 Holy Witnesses
To me it seems the person The Angel has is appearing to doesn`t know he is Joshua
And The Angel is telling him his is Josuha
and The Angel is saying in verse7-8

‘If you will walk in My ways,
And if you will keep My command,
Then you shall also judge My house,
And likewise have charge of My courts;
I will give you places to walk
Among these who stand here.
8 ‘Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,
You and your companions who sit before you,
For they are a wondrous sign;

Surely if Joshua was aware of who he was the Angel wouldn`t have said to him what he said in v7-8

Also Joshua is clothed in filthy garments,which tells us this person is a sinner

A lot of people reading this will think
Jesus is the high priest
If that was the case why is this person the Angel is appearing to unclean,and is then clothed rich in robes

Remember ALL the answers to all questions are in the bible
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oop`s "clothed in rich robes"
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The mystery of The Lord is
We will never know who The 2 Holy Witnesses are
Because They have to be protected,
So Any claiming to be 1 of them is folly

but we do know EVERY person mentioned in the Bible apart from Adam,was borne of a woman
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I don't think that the two Witnesses are Moses,Elijah,Zuerabeel,Joshua or any other bibical figure from our history.
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Yer Jesse i`m sure they will be there in spirit
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Zechariah 3 (New King James)


Vision of the High Priest

3 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the Angel of the Lord, and Satan standing at his right hand to oppose him. 2 And the Lord said to Satan, “The Lord rebuke you, Satan! The Lord who has chosen Jerusalem rebuke you! Is this not a brand plucked from the fire?”

3 Now Joshua was clothed with filthy garments, and was standing before the Angel.

4 Then He answered and spoke to those who stood before Him, saying, “Take away the filthy garments from him.” And to him He said, “See, I have removed your iniquity from you, and I will clothe you with rich robes.”

5 And I said, “Let them put a clean turban on his head.”

So they put a clean turban on his head, and they put the clothes on him. And the Angel of the Lord stood by.

The Coming Branch

6 Then the Angel of the Lord admonished Joshua, saying, 7 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:

‘If you will walk in My ways,
And if you will keep My command,
Then you shall also judge My house,
And likewise have charge of My courts;
I will give you places to walk
Among these who stand here.
8 ‘Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,
You and your companions who sit before you,
For they are a wondrous sign;
For behold, I am bringing forth My Servant the BRANCH.
9 For behold, the stone
That I have laid before Joshua:
Upon the stone are seven eyes.
Behold, I will engrave its inscription,’
Says the Lord of hosts,
‘And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
10 In that day,’ says the Lord of hosts,
‘Everyone will invite his neighbor
Under his vine and under his fig tree.’”

This scripture speaks of Joshua becoming "The High priest"

and NOT one of The 2 Holy Witnesses
To me it seems the person The Angel has is appearing to doesn`t know he is Joshua
And The Angel is telling him his is Josuha
and The Angel is saying in verse7-8

‘If you will walk in My ways,
And if you will keep My command,
Then you shall also judge My house,
And likewise have charge of My courts;
I will give you places to walk
Among these who stand here.
8 ‘Hear, O Joshua, the high priest,
You and your companions who sit before you,
For they are a wondrous sign;

Surely if Joshua was aware of who he was the Angel wouldn`t have said to him what he said in v7-8

Also Joshua is clothed in filthy garments,which tells us this person is a sinner

A lot of people reading this will think
Jesus is the high priest
If that was the case why is this person the Angel is appearing to unclean,and is then clothed rich in robes

Remember ALL the answers to all questions are in the bible
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YES
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