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The two witnesses are gentiles

 
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Ezekiel 37:

 16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

 18 ¶And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

 20 ¶And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.



This is a prophetic reference to the Book of Mormon as a record of portion of the tribe of Ephraim that was led from Jerusalem to America about 600b.c. When joined with the stick of Judah (the Bibile), the two records form a unified, complementary testimony of Jesus Christ, his divine work among these two segments of the house of Israel.

The Book of Mormon is presented to the jewish through the American Gentile.
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Too bad there is absolutely no linguistic, archaeological, or scientific (DNA) evidence to back up those claims postulated by the occultist and Mason, Joseph Smith.
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THIS ARE MANS OF GOD THAT GOD TOLD THE THAT THEY WILL BE BACK!
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Zerubbabel son of Shealtiel and Jeremiah are 2 that maybe the 2 witnesses
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It is not Zerubbable or Jeremiah.
 Quoting: Jesse 9006464


Jesse, if is not ZERUBBABEL & JOSHUA. Then I need you to show me who you think is. Because even MICHAEL will stand up in the last days, because of the DARKNESS AND LOCK OF UNDERSTANDING AMONG US.
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I can not say who they are but soon enough they will be revealed.I know that they are gentile and Christian and alive preparing for there service. The scripture does not reveal their names,but gives us clues only. I think the reason for this is that Because of their ministry and being hated so by all the world.The publicity might get in the way of their prepartation and take away their peace before they have to suffer and die at the hands of the enemy.It does not stop you from tring to find out.I think that a more productive way of useing the time left is taking the message to those who have not heard let the light shine among the world so that they might see Jesus throgh you.If i really know their names i would not reveal it to anyone
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I don't think that the two Witnesses are Moses,Elijah,Zuerabeel,Joshua or any other bibical figure from our history.
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I really don't either.
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The mystery of The Lord is
We will never know who The 2 Holy Witnesses are
Because They have to be protected,
So Any claiming to be 1 of them is folly

but we do know EVERY person mentioned in the Bible apart from Adam,was borne of a woman
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Yes i agree because who would it glorify themselves and not Our lord Jesus even when they do appear they will speak only the words that he puts in their mouth for his glory.
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seriously think about it people, the two witnesses stand before the god of the earth!!! Do you even know what that means....Jesus is not god of the earth, or he would have taken satan up on the offer to have all he seen before him.
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Ezekiel 37:

 16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

 18 ¶And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

 20 ¶And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.



This is a prophetic reference to the Book of Mormon as a record of portion of the tribe of Ephraim that was led from Jerusalem to America about 600b.c. When joined with the stick of Judah (the Bibile), the two records form a unified, complementary testimony of Jesus Christ, his divine work among these two segments of the house of Israel.

The Book of Mormon is presented to the jewish through the American Gentile.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10021202


Too bad there is absolutely no linguistic, archaeological, or scientific (DNA) evidence to back up those claims postulated by the occultist and Mason, Joseph Smith.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8104024


I am not going to insult you.It is not your fault you have been taught this from the time you were a child.It says in scripture

2 tim.2:14

keep reminding God's people of these things warn them before god aginst quarleling about words;it is of no value,and only ruins those who listen...

2 peter 2:1

but there were also false prophets among the people,just as there will be false teachers among you they will secretly introduce destructive heresies,even denying the sovereign lord who bought them-bringing swift destruction on themselves...

2 peter 2:3,4

in their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories.their has long been hanging over them,and their destruction has not been sleeping

for is God did not spare angels when they sinned,but sent them to hell putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgement...
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seriously think about it people, the two witnesses stand before the god of the earth!!! Do you even know what that means....Jesus is not god of the earth, or he would have taken satan up on the offer to have all he seen before him.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


Soon he will establish his kingdom on earth and we will all be with him.I personally would be on my face because I dont deserve such a honor without him giving his son i could have never known him.
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Jesus is not god of the earth
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


Jesus is God on Earth:

10Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11Serve the Lord with fear
and rejoice with trembling.
12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry
and you be destroyed in your way,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Psalm 2
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Jesus is not god of the earth
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


Jesus is God on Earth:

10Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11Serve the Lord with fear
and rejoice with trembling.
12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry
and you be destroyed in your way,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Psalm 2
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"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel,
which being interpreted is, God with us." Matthew 1:23

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
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Jesus is not god of the earth
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


Jesus is God on Earth:

10Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11Serve the Lord with fear
and rejoice with trembling.
12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry
and you be destroyed in your way,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Psalm 2
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do you know the difference to the what god, son of god, lord, lord of host, angel of the lord, spirit of the lord, the spirit, lord of host, and so many other's means....we are dealing with so many entities it's not even funny, jesus called him father....so should we.
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Jesus is not god of the earth
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


Jesus is God on Earth:

10Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11Serve the Lord with fear
and rejoice with trembling.
12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry
and you be destroyed in your way,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Psalm 2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3635211


"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel,
which being interpreted is, God with us." Matthew 1:23

"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." Isaiah 9:6
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yes and what god were they expecting because it apparently wasn't the god that they thought because they shunned him and prosecuted him, the very ones who wrote this scripture.
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Jesus was not the prince of peace and he even attested to this himself. He said i come not to bring peace.
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Jesus was a man that was a perfect vessel for the spirit on the day of his baptism. The spirit came from on high and lived with him until his death. When Jesus died the spirit that was with him left. And the reason why it was so important to jesus to raise lazurus is because that is the same death that jesus himself would undergo. When Jesus rose from the death the spirit that had descended apon him rose back again from where it came. He was left.
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Jesus is not god of the earth
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


Jesus is God on Earth:

10Therefore, you kings, be wise;
be warned, you rulers of the earth.
11Serve the Lord with fear
and rejoice with trembling.
12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry
and you be destroyed in your way,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him. Psalm 2
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3635211


do you know the difference to the what god, son of god, lord, lord of host, angel of the lord, spirit of the lord, the spirit, lord of host, and so many other's means....we are dealing with so many entities it's not even funny, jesus called him father....so should we.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


You are right. But Jesus is closest a man can get to God except by own death.hf
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Jesus was not the prince of peace and he even attested to this himself. He said i come not to bring peace.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~



Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. Luke 24
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Jesus was not the prince of peace and he even attested to this himself. He said i come not to bring peace.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~



Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. Luke 24
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and it was.
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Jesus was not the prince of peace and he even attested to this himself. He said i come not to bring peace.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~



Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. Luke 24
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and it was.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


No, his Second coming is missing yet, e.g.
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When John seen the dove descend apon Jesus at his baptism it was the spirit of the true father. At no time in the history of mankind has this ever happened nor will. Now Jesus said this so himself, he said at no time has anyone ever seen the father, save himself because he had the spirit of the in him at this time. Moses however said that he had seen the backside of god himself which is hypocrosy. because jesus said no one has seen the father nor heard his voice....moses amongst many others claimed to hear his voice very often...Joshua said that god had told him to kill everyone of the tribes that surrounded the land of milk and honey. He Heard him and told his people that this was the word of the lord.....to kill, slaughter, and save the virgins for the goods of the soldiers....now that is truth.
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now i don't know about you but if you were going to wipe out an evil people in the word of your god, you would not even spare the virgins because even though they are virgins they still hold the same sins that were though so abomanable to wipe them out to begin with.
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if that was the case at least save the infants at least they hadn't yet been tainted with the traditions yet.
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And lets not mention the fact that when the father of Abraham made a covenent with him that he said that this was for him and all the tribes that Joshua later killed.
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On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, y“To your offspring I give3 this land, from zthe river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, 19 the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, 20 the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21 the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites and the Jebusites.”
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these were the same that joshua was ordered by god to wipeout and kill
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Joshua said to the Israelites, “Come here and listen to the words of the LORD your God. 10 This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites. 11 See, the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth will go into the Jordan ahead of you. 12 Now then, choose twelve men from the tribes of Israel, one from each tribe. 13 And as soon as the priests who carry the ark of the LORD—the Lord of all the earth—set foot in the Jordan, its waters flowing downstream will be cut off and stand up in a heap.”
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now i don't know about you but if you were going to wipe out an evil people in the word of your god, you would not even spare the virgins because even though they are virgins they still hold the same sins that were though so abomanable to wipe them out to begin with.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


The Father of Jesus has been God of all mankind, since Creation, e.g. of the Canaanites as well. They abandoned Him though. God never changes. He was the same with pharao, with the Canaanites, the Israelites.
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if that was the case at least save the infants at least they hadn't yet been tainted with the traditions yet.
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They were born in/out of their traditions.
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Joshua said to the Israelites, “Come here and listen to the words of the LORD your God. 10 This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites. 11 See, the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth will go into the Jordan ahead of you. 12 Now then, choose twelve men from the tribes of Israel, one from each tribe. 13 And as soon as the priests who carry the ark of the LORD—the Lord of all the earth—set foot in the Jordan, its waters flowing downstream will be cut off and stand up in a heap.”
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


These is the reason the Levitical Law was established, in addition to the one of Melchizedek.
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Now we come to the two witnesses, See Joshua was supposed to wipe them out and we know that he did not because the cannanite people were still there in Jesus's day, Is this the way in which the father that jesus spoke of would have dealt with enemies? What did Jesus say of your enemy? he said to love them and pray for them,all manner in which accuse you, did he say to wipe them out and kill them? He made it very clear that the god of the old testement was a liar and a murderer. Why don't you listen? the two witnesses are not to be sought after they are evil. evil.evil.
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now i don't know about you but if you were going to wipe out an evil people in the word of your god, you would not even spare the virgins because even though they are virgins they still hold the same sins that were though so abomanable to wipe them out to begin with.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


The Father of Jesus has been God of all mankind, since Creation, e.g. of the Canaanites as well. They abandoned Him though. God never changes. He was the same with pharao, with the Canaanites, the Israelites.
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then why did jesus show mercy with with the cannanite woman at the well?
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See jesus was just a man, and the spirit that he inhibited was not of this world, and had a completely different message than the what had ever been known, which was the law. He broke the laws, he forgave that which had never been forgiven, he showed the differnce between those that serve the law and those that serve the father, never before since him had anyone seen the LIGHT. Before him everything was sentenced by the god of the earth which is law, and death. He took this away. and showed us that we do not have to abide by the old law, but to have compassion apon our brother, and to love the father with all your heart and soul. he made no laws.

he tried to show us that there is no law...only man made law, which is what we must do in order to live but not to say it is from the father. What we do is always in the eyes of the law and accordance but what we are truly judged by is the compassion and love we have for the father and for our brother, there is no other way in the kingdom.