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The two witnesses are gentiles

 
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if that was the case at least save the infants at least they hadn't yet been tainted with the traditions yet.
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In jewish tradition the age of acountability is 13 when they become an adult.
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all laws are man made.
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Jesus broke the laws of man, and did so showing us that we are not made by law, but a servent of them. That we should love each other as ourself, and put the father above all. These were not laws....these are the foundation that creates morality and servitude to a close and far purpose.
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if we were to compile a book of all that has happened in the last 2000 years it would be very similar to the bible. There is nothing new under the sun, only difference is it is used as a tool. A tool for control.
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See jesus was just a man, and the spirit that he inhibited was not of this world, and had a completely different message than the what had ever been known, which was the law. He broke the laws, he forgave that which had never been forgiven, he showed the differnce between those that serve the law and those that serve the father, never before since him had anyone seen the LIGHT. Before him everything was sentenced by the god of the earth which is law, and death. He took this away. and showed us that we do not have to abide by the old law, but to have compassion apon our brother, and to love the father with all your heart and soul. he made no laws.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


that is true that we are under grace not law, but without the law was no defination of sin or right from wrong.so the law tells us what our sin is.

Romans 6:14,15
Romans 7:7
gal. 5:14

we are under grace and not law you are very rite.
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if we were to compile a book of all that has happened in the last 2000 years it would be very similar to the bible. There is nothing new under the sun, only difference is it is used as a tool. A tool for control.
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yes it can i think we have all seen what evil men can do with that is why I say the gospil is so simple a child can understand it one thing needed Jesus.
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Jesus broke the laws of man, and did so showing us that we are not made by law, but a servent of them. That we should love each other as ourself, and put the father above all. These were not laws....these are the foundation that creates morality and servitude to a close and far purpose.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


Very well put!
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Now we come to the two witnesses, See Joshua was supposed to wipe them out and we know that he did not because the cannanite people were still there in Jesus's day, Is this the way in which the father that jesus spoke of would have dealt with enemies? What did Jesus say of your enemy? he said to love them and pray for them,all manner in which accuse you, did he say to wipe them out and kill them? He made it very clear that the god of the old testement was a liar and a murderer. Why don't you listen? the two witnesses are not to be sought after they are evil. evil.evil.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


If they do the will of the father who sent his son to die so that you could be under grace. They are not doing evil but the will of God.I think that mabe you look at death as the end.there is no death!Not really only the body.
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He made it very clear that the god of the old testement was a liar and a murderer.
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iamwith

Just quote, please. I do my bidding:

My Father, whom you (J.e.w.s) claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and keep his word. John 8:55

John 4:22,23 You (non-J.e.w.s) worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the jewish people.

But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
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now i don't know about you but if you were going to wipe out an evil people in the word of your god, you would not even spare the virgins because even though they are virgins they still hold the same sins that were though so abomanable to wipe them out to begin with.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


The Father of Jesus has been God of all mankind, since Creation, e.g. of the Canaanites as well. They abandoned Him though. God never changes. He was the same with pharao, with the Canaanites, the Israelites.
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then why did jesus show mercy with with the cannanite woman at the well?
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5This is what God the Lord says—he who created the heavens and stretched them out,who spread out the earth and all that comes out of it,who gives breath to its people,and life to those who walk on it:
6“I, the Lord, have called you in righteousness;I will take hold of your hand. I will keep you and will make you to be a covenant for the people and a light for the Gentiles, 7to open eyes that are blind, to free captives from prison and to release from the dungeon those who sit in darkness. 8“I am the Lord; that is my name! I will not give my glory to another or my praise to idols. 9See, the former things have taken place, and new things I declare; before they spring into being I announce them to you. Isaiah 42
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he tried to show us that there is no law...only man made law
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Pagan idiocy. Look here:

Why call you me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if you will enter into life, keep the commandments. Matthew 19:16
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Hi my friend in Jesus! We all have something in common. Is that we ALL LOVE GOD AND HIS SON. this is the foundation, the first step. Clear. Now we have a little disagreement. This don't mean that we have to divide. Just like THE CHURCHES DID, THIS IS WHAT GOD DIN'T LIKE. but we are SMART. This cofussion we just leave it alone antill the future and we see it together. Friends I am proud of you. We talk in peace! God bless you ALL . Amen.
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Some CHRISTIAN IN HERE HAVE SPIRITUAL GIFT, LEST PRAY TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME LEST MAKE A APOINTMENT TO PRAY FOR EACH OTHER to cure and bless in the spirit. Give a date and time?
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Some CHRISTIAN IN HERE HAVE SPIRITUAL GIFT, LEST PRAY TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME LEST MAKE A APOINTMENT TO PRAY FOR EACH OTHER to cure and bless in the spirit. Give a date and time?
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Some CHRISTIAN IN HERE HAVE SPIRITUAL GIFT, LETS PRAY TOGETHER AT THE SAME TIME LETS MAKE A APOINTMENT TO PRAY FOR EACH OTHER to cure and bless in the spirit. Give a date and time? Sorry I am a student in English. I can not wait 2 years to get better. the end is at hand!
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I vote Moses and Elijah most likely the ones.
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Moses and Elijah had a almost a perfect record of accomplishing the same task set forth of the god of the earth. If you get a chance just look at the similarites of thier works. it's astounding in accuracy.
The real question is what god were they working for to accomplish this.
The ten commandments were a leadway to later create democracy. A one ruling government to overthrow all others.
That is why Jesus said i do not come to promote peace but to bring nation against nation, brother against brother. because he was of this, although he lived the law, he was against the law and proved it many times.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


Yahshua wasn't against the law, he was against man made rules and and burdens lawmakers place on men.
 Quoting: Butch


He was clearly against the law of the sabboth, because he broke it.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~



A rabi works in the synagouge on the sabbath, Yes?


Jesus performed miracles on the sabbath, Yes?


A priest provides a sermon on the sabbath, Yes?


They are not working for themselves, they are working for God, Yes?
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God told you that he would send Elijah before he trashed the Earth, via his 7 Angels, in the end times, NOW.


God did not say that he would send Enoch, moses, John, Elisa or anyone else.

Therefore, the only conclusion that one can draw, is that Elijah is working with the two witnesses, a double portion of his Spirit.
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he was clearly against the law of "you shall have no other god before me" because he said Love thy Father.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~



Jesus IS the Son of God. Jesus said, love my father, who IS God.
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He was clearly against the law of taking what is not yours...even though the israelites took the young virgins and killed off babies, woman, and children.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~



do you think god sent Jesus to change the ways of the good?, no, God sent Jesus to change the ways of the most evil race that has ever walked the earth, the sons of the devil.

They were so evil that not even Jesus could alter their evil ways. They were so evil, that they had Jesus mudered. Not even Jesus could save them.

These same evil people carried out 911 the false flag and had the dumb fecks of America murder their enemies in Afghanistan and Iraq. They were evil scum 2000 years ago and they are still evil satan worshiping scum today.

When Jesus returns he has no intention of trying to save them now, he comes with his sword to send them all to hell. good riddens to satan infected scum.

Kick arse buddy.
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Thank you, Jesse. Another thing that has always resonated with me is when it says that "he causes them to" and we are born of free will. which makes no sense to say that someone is made to do something. That goes against the very essence of why we are here in the first place. To be "made" to do something would go against the very foundation of free will, even Jesus himself could have backed out of what he was brought to do, but he cried and said if it be your will. He wasn't made to do it, he knew that it had to be done.
 Quoting: ~~Moriel~~


You can cause someone to do something without "making" them do it. You are good at deception for sure. You just take a few words like "he causes them" and expect someon to understand what you are talking about. Very "angel of light-like".
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Jesus said i will cause MY two witnesses ( chosen by Jesus called by God ) to prophesy. Jesus sticks a vision in the witnesses face, which the witness writes about. The witness had free will, he wrote about it because Jesus asked him to, not because jesus ordered him to.

Understand the difference?

Satan creates the the biblical beast, 666 = federal reserve bank. The beast commands you via laws to use beast dollars. You have NO CHOICE. Saddam refused to accept beast dollars for his oil and we know what the beast did to him.

JFK told the beast to stick their dollars up their ass and we know what happened to him.

Understand the difference?
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There will be 144 000 witnesses. And thats the 100% truth.
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Yes, the 144,000 are the TWO witnesses (divided into the two ancient Houses of Israel and Judah).
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So you are claiming that 144,000 have the power to make it rain or with hold the rain?

Are you claiming that the 144,000 will propesy for 1,260 days?


Are you claiming that the 144,000 will be refused burial and lay on the street for three and a half days?
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Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and on the cloud sat One like the Son of Man, having on His head a golden crown, and in His hand a sharp sickle. And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, “Thrust in Your sickle and reap, for the time has come for You to reap, for the harvest of the earth is ripe.” So He who sat on the cloud thrust in His sickle on the earth, and the earth was reaped. ( Christ on His 3 1/2 year mission to wake up ISRAEL!)
Then another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle. ( Satan)
And another angel came out from the altar, who had power over fire, ( THE HOLY SPIRIT )and he cried with a loud cry to him who had the sharp sickle, saying, “Thrust in your sharp sickle and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth, for her grapes are fully ripe.”( Christ came when sin was at it’s fullness) ( Christ is the VINE and we are His branches) So the angel thrust his sickle into the earth and gathered the vine of the earth, ( Satan killing Christ on the cross) and threw it into the great winepress of the wrath of God. ( He became sin for us WHO knew no sin) When Christ said “ IT IS FINISHED, HE MEANT WHAT HE SAID”!) And the winepress was trampled outside the city, ( Christ was crucified outside the city) and blood came out of the winepress, up to the horses’ bridles, for one thousand six hundred furlongs.

The Romans measured Israel during the time of Christ as 1600 furlongs!
(From top to bottom Israel’s length was 1600 furlongs as measured by the Romans!) ( SALVATION WAS OFFERED TO ALL OF ISRAEL!) ( Christ died FIRST for the jewish people )
THE FOLLOWING links ARE FROM ISRAEL 2000 YEARS AGO VIA ROMAN MEASUREMENTS 1600 FURLONGS !

The horse’s bridles are the northern and southern borders of Judea during the time of Christ!

1. Revelation and the Destruction of Jerusalem - Sabbath More Fully
www.sabbathmorefully.net/?page_id=270 - Cached
David Chilton, in his book, Days of Vengeance, page 376, notes that 1600 furlongs is the length of literal Israel, as measured by Rome during the time of the ...
2. Revelation Chapter 14
www.truthnet.org/christianity/revelation/revelation14/ - CachedSimilar
This final period ends as the armies of the earth gather the length of Israel. ..... Babylon is a hidden reference to Rome because of the potential of persecution. 2. ..... 1600 furlongs is 181 miles is the length of Israel from the North to the south. ...
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Hmmm, can you show me evidence that the two witnesses lay dead on the streets for three and a half days, then rose to their feet and were called up into the cloyds to be with Jesus?

While your there, can you give methe date on which evry island and mountain was removed from its place?

Just a minor one to finish, can you tell me when Jesus ruled the Earth for one thousand years of peace?
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I am only your servent helper with the spirit of God in me. But not the one of the last 2 witness unless GOD HIM SELF NAME IT.
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I am part of GLP family YEAH! I love this place MILLIONS of people every day I can Preach in pajamas here5a
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I am part of GLP family YEAH! I love this place MILLIONS of people every day I can Preach in pajamas here5a
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The pajama preaching is the best! It is not animal skins or sack cloth but the same message.So lets hear it for the pj preachers.
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bump hey I always late to the party were everyone go! I am sorry for my writing this is my 4 language I am lerning fast. I can not wait we need each other now.
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I am sorry you feel like you were late we are here agin.
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Hi, friend ! I just want to HELP in! In the BIBLE GOD ALL READY TOLD IN YOU IN ZECHARIAH WHO WILL BE THE 2 WITNESSES AND THEY ARE ZERUBBABEL & JOSHUA (THE 2 ANOINTED BY GOD AND REBUILTED THE TEMPLE : Zechariah 4:1-14 KJV

And the angel that talked with me came again, and waked me, as a man that is wakened out of his sleep, And said unto me, What seest thou? And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof. So I answered and spake to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? Then the angel that talked with me answered and said unto me, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the Lord of hosts. Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it. Moreover the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, The hands of Zerubbabel have laid the foundation of this house; his hands shall also finish it; and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto you. For who hath despised the day of small things? for they shall rejoice, and shall see the plummet in the hand of Zerubbabel with those seven; they are the eyes of the Lord, which run to and fro through the whole earth. Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.
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"And I said, I have looked, and behold a candlestick all of gold, with a bowl upon the top of it, and his seven lamps thereon, and seven pipes to the seven lamps, which are upon the top thereof: And two olive trees by it, one upon the right side of the bowl, and the other upon the left side thereof."


The seven Spirits work with the two witnesses. The seven lamps are the 7 Spirits. The two olive trees are the two witnesses
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The two witnesses will NOT be gentiles, but Levites, AKA kin of Moses who have earned the rite to stand inside the temple. They have to be kin to be reincarnated witnesses that helped lay the foundation of Saint Peter

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and are here to place the cap on the pyramid.

:Our time has com:

You all do know Moses was Egyptian before he went to IsRAel, rite?

:Cross and snake:
 Quoting: KnightsTemplar.TV


Reincarnation really you need know that after death is the judgement.I have never seen anthing about reincarnation in the bible.
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I guess you didn't know Moses was in fact Egyptian which if you knew this, you would not only be able to understand what I AM saying, you would also be able to understand how the world works.

The Bible is in fact of Egyptian origin. The secret knowledge about "true" Biblical history is that Moses was an Egyptian first and the Egyptians believed in reincarnation and immortality.

In addition, who do you think the authors of the Bible were? Just some dudes who chose to write "some" book or could it be they were reincarnated brothers ordained by God to instruct man kind and prophecize? Also, how do we have "multiple Johns" who are authors in the Bible? Do you ignorantly think that these Johns were all just named John as a coincidence or could it be in fact that were actually reincarnations of this same said "John" through a family line of Johns that were of the cult of the Johnanites? In addition, why do many scholars relates John to a reincarnation of Elijah?

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BIBLE PASSAGES ON REINCARNATION:

The most well known is a series of passages which establish that John the Baptist was a reincarnation of Elijah:

"See, I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the LORD you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty. (Malachi 3:1)

"See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes." (Malachi 4:5)

But the angel said to him "do not be afraid, Zechariah; your wife Elizabeth will bear you a son, and you are to give him the name John…And he will go on before the Lord, in the spirit and power of Elijah…to make ready a people prepared for the Lord." (Luke 1:13,17)

Naked I came from my mother’s womb, and naked I shall return there. (Job 1:21)

…when Melchizedek met Abraham, Levi was still in the body of his ancestor. (Hebrews 7:10)

Then three times, that we know of, Jesus assured his disciples that John the Baptist really was Elijah returned:

"But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him."
(Mark 9:13)

"For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come." (Matt 11:13-14)

"But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him…" Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.
(Matt 17:12-13)

SOURCE: [link to www.markmason.net]
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Wrong again you satan serving masonic peanut. The SPIRIT of Elijah was WITH John, as the SPRIT of Elijah is with the two witnesses. This does NOT make the two witnesses Elijah. They come in the Spirit and powers of Elijah..

Lucifer has deceived you again. Now go back to your lodge and tell lucifer to get fucked.
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i warn you, if you support satanic Israehell in any way shape or form, Jesus will remove your name from the book of life..

Repent, Satanic israhell is an abomination before God, filled with those who claim they are jewish people, but are NOT, but who worship in the sinagog of ratchild.

God told the jewish people NOT TO RETURN until their punishment for having Jesus murdered was complete. That time is NOT YET. No jewish who serves God would be in in satanic Israhell today. They are there against God's direct command, therefore, they serve satan and will shortly be destroyed.
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My best CANDIDATE ARE ZERUBBABEL, JOSHUA OR ZEREMIAH. hf
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I think personally they are ones we have not seen yet.
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You are right, the two witnesses will be unknown until the appointed time. They are nothing, just going along for the ride.
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For those who believe The Two Holy Witnesses will be 2 men,
how can they battle with the beast ??


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The two witnesses could wipe the beast out with one thought in less than ten seconds. The problem is that they would have to take out most of the planet as well.

They are not here to fight the beast. They have to wait until God releases satan from the pit after the fifth Angel has launched. Satan is their target, no one on Earth can touch them, not even satan's side kick lucifer, who currently controls the Earth vis his minnions the masons and zionists.

The two witnesses could wipe every mason and zionist off the Earth in seconds with just a thought.

They will give satan a run for his money until God removes their protection after the sixth Angel has launched.
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God told you that he would send Elijah before he trashed the Earth, via his 7 Angels, in the end times, NOW.


God did not say that he would send Enoch, moses, John, Elisa or anyone else.

Therefore, the only conclusion that one can draw, is that Elijah is working with the two witnesses, a double portion of his Spirit.
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Two scoops cool.
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For those who believe The Two Holy Witnesses will be 2 men,
how can they battle with the beast ??


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The two witnesses could wipe the beast out with one thought in less than ten seconds. The problem is that they would have to take out most of the planet as well.

They are not here to fight the beast. They have to wait until God releases satan from the pit after the fifth Angel has launched. Satan is their target, no one on Earth can touch them, not even satan's side kick lucifer, who currently controls the Earth vis his minnions the masons and zionists.

The two witnesses could wipe every mason and zionist off the Earth in seconds with just a thought.

They will give satan a run for his money until God removes their protection after the sixth Angel has launched.
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God allows satan to kill them so that he might be Glorified and those he sent them to reach can witness this.As it was with his son Jesus. Their death kind of mirrors our savior.
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My best CANDIDATE ARE ZERUBBABEL, JOSHUA OR ZEREMIAH. hf
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I think personally they are ones we have not seen yet.
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Amen brother they are just vessels of God's will.
You are right, the two witnesses will be unknown until the appointed time. They are nothing, just going along for the ride.
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God told you that he would send Elijah before he trashed the Earth, via his 7 Angels, in the end times, NOW.


God did not say that he would send Enoch, moses, John, Elisa or anyone else.

Therefore, the only conclusion that one can draw, is that Elijah is working with the two witnesses, a double portion of his Spirit.
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I think that you are rite about that.

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