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School Chipped My Son's Shoe**UPDATE**

 
Anonymous Coward
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02/01/2012 06:29 PM
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You are probably right about that.
I'm still going to find out exactly what is in this thing and since we can't remove it, he'll wear something else until it's off.
 Quoting: DoodleBug



dont keep that thing in your house
or near you or him return it tomorrow asap

and let the other parents know about this too
get your kid out of there transfer to another school

this is almost as sick as the school monitoring kids through government lap tops while they were at home!


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why did they first tell you the tribe did it?
and then they told you they did it because you did not opt out?
 Quoting: Chicken Tikka Masala


You're welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hope something good comes out of this!!!!! It took one of those 15 girls in NY going on Dr. Drew and passing out from a seizure to get Erin Brockovich and others to look into it and get things going!!!!!

Hopefully, this will get the ball rolling less "dramatically!!!" LOL.
They supposedly sent her an option to "opt out" through THE MAIL. She never received it. That's how they are claiming she "assented."
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Correct, thanks!
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419389


You're welcome!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hope something good comes out of this!!!!! It took one of those 15 girls from NY going on Dr. Drew and passing out from a seizure to get Erin Brockovich and others to look into it and get things going!!!

Hopefully, this will get the ball rolling less "dramatically!!!" LOL.
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take the fricking shoe and give them it say NO thanks and maybe think about taking your kid out of that school!!!!
 Quoting: gogo


I probably will take him out GoGo but I'm not going to let this go until I know for sure what's in it.
If it's just a pedometer, I'll return it and home school him again.
It it's something more I'll go as far as I can with it.
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02/01/2012 06:31 PM
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take the fricking shoe and give them it say NO thanks and maybe think about taking your kid out of that school!!!!
 Quoting: gogo


I probably will take him out GoGo but I'm not going to let this go until I know for sure what's in it.
If it's just a pedometer, I'll return it and home school him again.
It it's something more I'll go as far as I can with it.
 Quoting: DoodleBug


Goo for you!!!!!
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02/01/2012 06:33 PM
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Do an IMAGE search for "rfid key tag" at [link to www.startpage.com] and look how similar they all are to what you have. So many styles and colors, but that's exactly what it looks like is on your son's shoe.

Just take 10 seconds and LOOK!
 Quoting: withoutatrace


Now do the same image search for "shoe pedometer" and you'll see NOTHING like the photo your posted.

It has no screen, likely no place for a cord to plug into. It means that any data on it must be transmitted wirelessly. Thus, RFID. It's an RFID tag!
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Do an IMAGE search for "rfid key tag" at [link to www.startpage.com] and look how similar they all are to what you have. So many styles and colors, but that's exactly what it looks like is on your son's shoe.

Just take 10 seconds and LOOK!
 Quoting: withoutatrace


Now do the same image search for "shoe pedometer" and you'll see NOTHING like the photo your posted.

It has no screen, likely no place for a cord to plug into. It means that any data on it must be transmitted wirelessly. Thus, RFID. It's an RFID tag!
 Quoting: withoutatrace


I sifted through hundreds if not thousands of images trying to figure out exactly what this was and to share with everyone here and never did find one.
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02/01/2012 06:37 PM
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Here is a pic, I have removed the number on the front of it because it's obviously directly connected to my child as it's read by a computer.

Now that this is posted, I'll just go back to being a good little sheep and letting the schools put whatever they want on my child without consent and NEVER ask questions again as some of you have suggested.rolleyes

By the way, I was told that if I remove it or destroy it that I would be charged 100 bucks for it.

That's one expensive "pedometer"!


:shoe2:
 Quoting: DoodleBug




why did they first tell you the tribe did it?
and then they told you they did it because you did not opt out?
 Quoting: Chicken Tikka Masala


They supposedly sent her an option to "opt out" through THE MAIL. She never received it. That's how they are claiming she "assented."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419389



Yes, I know... I guess I should have asked if you asked them to clarify why at first they told you the tribe did it, and then later you were told about the opt-out form that THEY the school sent you, which you never received, indicating that the school and not the tribe did it.
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02/01/2012 06:38 PM
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I would dissect it. This is truly crazy.
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DoodleBug (OP)

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02/01/2012 06:41 PM
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Here is a pic, I have removed the number on the front of it because it's obviously directly connected to my child as it's read by a computer.

Now that this is posted, I'll just go back to being a good little sheep and letting the schools put whatever they want on my child without consent and NEVER ask questions again as some of you have suggested.rolleyes

By the way, I was told that if I remove it or destroy it that I would be charged 100 bucks for it.

That's one expensive "pedometer"!


:shoe2:
 Quoting: DoodleBug




why did they first tell you the tribe did it?
and then they told you they did it because you did not opt out?
 Quoting: Chicken Tikka Masala


They supposedly sent her an option to "opt out" through THE MAIL. She never received it. That's how they are claiming she "assented."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1419389



Yes, I know... I guess I should have asked if you asked them to clarify why at first they told you the tribe did it, and then later you were told about the opt-out form that THEY the school sent you, which you never received, indicating that the school and not the tribe who did it.
 Quoting: Chicken Tikka Masala


Two different people in two different buildings. First one was at the school, second person was at the admin building (superintendent' office) and the second person is saying that now it's the local co-op doing it.

Like I said, too many conflicting answers to let this lie just yet.
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02/01/2012 07:00 PM
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to find out if its an rfid, take it to the local animal shelter... they all have chip readers these days(lots of vets too, if one is handier)... if they interogate it without a reading, clean... any reading? not so much...just because it doesnt have someplace to plug in, doesnt make it rfid... bluetooth isnt rfid, nor is inductive comm link...it HAS to be electronic (to store datapoints, assuming it is a pedometer), and being shoe mounted would kind of require it be a sealed unit(otherwise, kid steps in puddle, lost data, lost pedometer)... if you have bluetooth on a phone or computer, try detecting it, if it's bluetooth it should show as an unfamiliar "hit"... inductive link is kinda sol though, as it would need the right "handshake" to id itself, so you couldnt just do a coil of wire attatched to a multimeter kind of thing... of course "i think i would prefer to opt out of this program" and having them amputate it from the shoe is probably most prudent... if they balk for any reason, well, ill bet a 16 oz hammer would "deactivate" it most nicely, as well as affording a peek at what "makes it tick"... but, if you just pull your kid out of school, and dont return it, you may well get a visit from the local fuzz, due to "theft of government property"...
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02/01/2012 07:04 PM
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This ain't just for Native tribes....New York, St. Louis, South Orange, NJ among school districts monitoring students activity levels 24/7.

"Big Brother is joining the battle of the bulge.

A group of Long Island students will soon be wearing controversial electronic monitors that allow school officials to track their physical activity around the clock.

The athletics chair for the Bay Shore schools ordered 10 Polar Active monitors, at $90 a pop, for use starting this spring. The wristwatchlike devices count heartbeats, detect motion and even track students’ sleeping habits in a bid to combat obesity.

The information is displayed on a color-coded screen and gets transmitted to a password-protected Web site that students and educators can access.

The devices are already in use in school districts in St. Louis and South Orange, NJ — and have raised privacy concerns among some parents and observers."

[link to vigilantcitizen.com]
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02/01/2012 07:07 PM
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Microwave it for a few seconds.
 Quoting: BRIEF


...then go to the administrators office and stick your s226in his face
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02/01/2012 07:08 PM
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You need to march in there and demand that it be removed. I would film it to make them pay for the shoe if it is damaged in the process. Get an attorney too. I can't believe how calmly you are taking this.
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02/01/2012 07:12 PM
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This ain't just for Native tribes....New York, St. Louis, South Orange, NJ among school districts monitoring students activity levels 24/7.

"Big Brother is joining the battle of the bulge.

A group of Long Island students will soon be wearing controversial electronic monitors that allow school officials to track their physical activity around the clock.

The athletics chair for the Bay Shore schools ordered 10 Polar Active monitors, at $90 a pop, for use starting this spring. The wristwatchlike devices count heartbeats, detect motion and even track students’ sleeping habits in a bid to combat obesity.

The information is displayed on a color-coded screen and gets transmitted to a password-protected Web site that students and educators can access.

The devices are already in use in school districts in St. Louis and South Orange, NJ — and have raised privacy concerns among some parents and observers."

[link to vigilantcitizen.com]
 Quoting: Hugh M Eye


This kid is NOT fat at all..Great job OP hf
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02/01/2012 07:15 PM
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my dog has been known to chew up a shoe or two, i say tear the shit out of that tracker and return it to the school in pieces.
Give them the excuse your kid stepped in dog sh@t, you had him leave his shoes on the porch only to find a neighborhood fido enjoying their rfid treat. There is no way they could make you pay for the rfid in this case since you didnt remove it but are alerting them to the status of their equipment.

This is quite interesting, i want to know what the guts of that thing looks like
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02/01/2012 07:20 PM
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OP, I dont know how they can "Charge" you for something you did not sign for. It wont stand up in a court.
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02/01/2012 07:23 PM

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OP -

See if you can get a copy of the Grant. Most federal grants are posted on a web page somewhere.

My thoughts go two ways -

Remove the tag <or>

Lawyer up & go for the big payday.

(option 2 may require a copy of the grant).

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02/01/2012 07:27 PM
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to find out if its an rfid, take it to the local animal shelter... they all have chip readers these days(lots of vets too, if one is handier)... if they interogate it without a reading, clean... any reading? not so much...just because it doesnt have someplace to plug in, doesnt make it rfid... bluetooth isnt rfid, nor is inductive comm link...it HAS to be electronic (to store datapoints, assuming it is a pedometer), and being shoe mounted would kind of require it be a sealed unit(otherwise, kid steps in puddle, lost data, lost pedometer)... if you have bluetooth on a phone or computer, try detecting it, if it's bluetooth it should show as an unfamiliar "hit"... inductive link is kinda sol though, as it would need the right "handshake" to id itself, so you couldnt just do a coil of wire attatched to a multimeter kind of thing... of course "i think i would prefer to opt out of this program" and having them amputate it from the shoe is probably most prudent... if they balk for any reason, well, ill bet a 16 oz hammer would "deactivate" it most nicely, as well as affording a peek at what "makes it tick"... but, if you just pull your kid out of school, and dont return it, you may well get a visit from the local fuzz, due to "theft of government property"...
 Quoting: ambiguity unlimited


oh, and if you do get a bluetooth "hit" from it, write it down and post it here... it usually will contain enough make and model info to id what the thing is, assuming a commercially available product
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02/01/2012 07:39 PM
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I'll give you a hundred bucks to give the school if you can find some place to take it in to have it checked out and they need to disect it. I'm curious. You need to tell them that you want it off and want it off NOW! They can't make you keep it on your child's shoe. If they say no, then buy a new pair of shoes and throw those away....far away.
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02/01/2012 07:44 PM
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I'll give you a hundred bucks to give the school if you can find some place to take it in to have it checked out and they need to disect it. I'm curious. You need to tell them that you want it off and want it off NOW! They can't make you keep it on your child's shoe. If they say no, then buy a new pair of shoes and throw those away....far away.
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You are right! They can not make us keep it on the shoe and I'm super curious also but I'm not going to tamper with it in any way. It's going to the legal counsel as it sets, shoe and all.

Regardless of what it is, everything needs to be documented very well from here on out.
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02/01/2012 08:19 PM
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It's going to the legal counsel as it sets, shoe and all.

Regardless of what it is, everything needs to be documented very well from here on out.
 Quoting: DoodleBug


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Don't let him wear the shoes.

Take the tennys to the school and have it removed so that your son can wear his shoes.
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02/01/2012 09:48 PM
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"This is supposedly to monitor his activity for a grant that the school has applied for."


It's all about the money... again!

:gettin-money:
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Quit buying glass slippers dumbass!
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Students aren't cattle, but what really makes me upset is that there are now cases of these things tracking outside of school time like the camera/laptop incident. It's way overstepping the line to have something permanently attached to anything that isn't designated just for school use. I wouldn't like anyone to be chipped in the school either but may concede if it were gym shoes that stayed in the students locker at school.

TPTB have way overstepped their bounds.
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If this is more intricate,

Id put one on my kid if Security systems sell one. There was a huge nationwide news child abduction and they had no idea where the little girl was.

POS kidnapper. Id put a tracker on my kid and beat the living shit out of him when we catch up to him if I ever had a kid and this happens. You all freak out instead of WORK IT. like Missy Elliot sings

We need this stuff for all the non parents not watching their kids letting pedophiles kidnap them.
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Students aren't cattle, but what really makes me upset is that there are now cases of these things tracking outside of school time like the camera/laptop incident. It's way overstepping the line to have something permanently attached to anything that isn't designated just for school use. I wouldn't like anyone to be chipped in the school either but may concede if it were gym shoes that stayed in the students locker at school.

TPTB have way overstepped their bounds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8830741


If this is more intricate,

Id put one on my kid if Security systems sell one. There was a huge nationwide news child abduction and they had no idea where the little girl was.

POS kidnapper. Id put a tracker on my kid and beat the living shit out of him when we catch up to him if I ever had a kid and this happens. You all freak out instead of WORK IT. like Missy Elliot sings

We need this stuff for all the non parents not watching their kids letting pedophiles kidnap them.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI

What you do with your child is your business but what others do with your child is also your business and in this case "they" didn't think it was.
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 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


I typically ignore you and don't even see you drivel thanks to the GLP Ignore Feature.

However, a friend directed me to this post.

Dude! You are ignorant.
Please stop your prescriptive ways. You have no qualifications to tell people what to do, so stop it.

Eliminate the word 'should' from your vocabulary,
only then will you be able to grow,


Last Edited by repatriated_one on 02/01/2012 10:36 PM
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Students aren't cattle, but what really makes me upset is that there are now cases of these things tracking outside of school time like the camera/laptop incident. It's way overstepping the line to have something permanently attached to anything that isn't designated just for school use. I wouldn't like anyone to be chipped in the school either but may concede if it were gym shoes that stayed in the students locker at school.

TPTB have way overstepped their bounds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8830741


If this is more intricate,

Id put one on my kid if Security systems sell one. There was a huge nationwide news child abduction and they had no idea where the little girl was.

POS kidnapper. Id put a tracker on my kid and beat the living shit out of him when we catch up to him if I ever had a kid and this happens. You all freak out instead of WORK IT. like Missy Elliot sings

We need this stuff for all the non parents not watching their kids letting pedophiles kidnap them.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


Lols.

There are just as many criminals/pedophiles among those holding positions of authority over others as there out in the community.

If I were a parent I'd be just as worried about the teacher/headmaster being a pedophile.

Maybe we should chip teachers and Headmasters also so we can monitor them at all time and make sure they are not abusing their powers ?
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We need this stuff for all the non parents not watching their kids letting pedophiles kidnap them.
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OMG, you are crying for help aren't you?
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Man, this is really crazy! Brazenly crazy! Scary crazy!

Maybe your local TV station needs to know about this.
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