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Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?

 
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Here's all you need

.22 Long Rifle

12 Gauge Shotgun

I have 4 Marlin Model 60 .22 Long rifles, and 4 - NEF 12 gauge shotguns. 1,000's of .22 LR rounds and Hundreds of 12 gauges shells.

All guns are same make and model (Think Spare Parts when TSHTF)

You can use my "Real World" experience to base Your decision if you like. I stand behind my advice.

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Isn't it amazing that the guys that have actually carried the 5.56 in combat never recommend it.....

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If you can find an AK in 7.62X39mm? That is MOSTLY whats out there NOW, there are AK74 or AK47 copies, you can buy them as cheap as 500 bucks, and they are pretty tough, durable. One of the brands i know of is Saiga, try American Arms online, they have an excellent selection of Ca. legal assault type rifles too. And ALOT of stuff if you live in a decent state other than fucked up CALI.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1067150


The accuracy of an AK47 will never meet the accuracy or distance of an AR15.
 Quoting: Chip®


That's right and the AR isn't a cheese stick like the AK. Way better quality and 223 is most common and you'll be able to pick it up off the dead guy a lot more often.
 Quoting: LORIEN


if you take cover theres lots of places to do that for a 223 though. Trees, brick walls etc, a 308 will go straigh trough. the 223 round is great for the millitary though if you have artillery, bazookas and someone with heavier calibers with you to take them out, because it brings with it some benifits like the ability to bring more ammo so you can put more rounds on the target in both semi, burst and full auto. a 308 have more range and stopping power though, if i was to go for 1 here for the purpose we are talking about, i would pick a 308
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You are correct. 223 is the most commonly available though. Since we are all seeing who has the biggest dick here then I'm going to break out my 45-70 and take off their head from a 1000 yards. 450 grains of pure bliss. Yep, I said a 1000.
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If I only had 1 weapon it would be a .22. I'm very happy I don't have to have only 1! Nevertheless you can carry hundreds of 22 rounds right in your pocket and if your a dead eye...all will be well.
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Whatever Chit, you keep your .22, and i'll be scoping you from 600 yards out, where you could hit me but probably wouldnt break my skin, as where my 7.62 at 600 yards will splatter your brains hither and YON...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1067150


HAHAHA! You couldn't hit the great wall of China from 600 yards. If you were 600 yards away I'd break out my 30.06 and be done with you. My .22 comment was directed at those who are financially challenged.
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We talking about not hitting something 600 yards away with a 7.62 from an AK-47... or with a 7.62 in general?

7.62x54R round has more than enough ass to it to hit something at 600 yards without an issue... though it does hold more powder than the 7.62x39 the AK shoots.

I don't know if I've seen any long-distance 7.62x39 tests from a gun more accurate than the AK though.
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If you can find an AK in 7.62X39mm? That is MOSTLY whats out there NOW, there are AK74 or AK47 copies, you can buy them as cheap as 500 bucks, and they are pretty tough, durable. One of the brands i know of is Saiga, try American Arms online, they have an excellent selection of Ca. legal assault type rifles too. And ALOT of stuff if you live in a decent state other than fucked up CALI.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1067150


The accuracy of an AK47 will never meet the accuracy or distance of an AR15.
 Quoting: Chip®


That's right and the AR isn't a cheese stick like the AK. Way better quality and 223 is most common and you'll be able to pick it up off the dead guy a lot more often.
 Quoting: LORIEN


The AR may have accuracy but other then that the gun sucks and is way over priced. What are you going to do if your on the move and run out of cleaning supplies for your AR? How are you going to shoot anything if your gun won't fire. ARs jam way more then a AK or SKS
 Quoting: patdeez84


It's not hard to change an AR to a piston system. Throw lots of money into an AR it's as reliable as an AK. Throw lots of money into an AK and get nearly the accuracy an AR will have. It's all about the benjamins.
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The accuracy of an AK47 will never meet the accuracy or distance of an AR15.
 Quoting: Chip®


That's right and the AR isn't a cheese stick like the AK. Way better quality and 223 is most common and you'll be able to pick it up off the dead guy a lot more often.
 Quoting: LORIEN


if you take cover theres lots of places to do that for a 223 though. Trees, brick walls etc, a 308 will go straigh trough. the 223 round is great for the millitary though if you have artillery, bazookas and someone with heavier calibers with you to take them out, because it brings with it some benifits like the ability to bring more ammo so you can put more rounds on the target in both semi, burst and full auto. a 308 have more range and stopping power though, if i was to go for 1 here for the purpose we are talking about, i would pick a 308
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045


You are correct. 223 is the most commonly available though. Since we are all seeing who has the biggest dick here then I'm going to break out my 45-70 and take off their head from a 1000 yards. 450 grains of pure bliss. Yep, I said a 1000.
 Quoting: LORIEN


If you want your target to vaporize and everyone around your target to implode from the sheer velocity of the round... you get ahold of something like this:



Finnish Lahti 20mm semi-automatic spewer of lead-hell. lol.
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
Here's all you need

.22 Long Rifle

12 Gauge Shotgun

I have 4 Marlin Model 60 .22 Long rifles, and 4 - NEF 12 gauge shotguns. 1,000's of .22 LR rounds and Hundreds of 12 gauges shells.

All guns are same make and model (Think Spare Parts when TSHTF)

.22's will kill Humans on down to squirrels, 12 guage will take out the heavy stuff (Slugs)

also I have 3 hand pump BB rifles for small game (You dont want to alert your neighbors your killing the dove and squirrels in the neighborhood)

You can use my "Real World" experience to base Your decision if you like. I stand behind my advice.

Army - Combat Tours:
1990-1991 IRAQ - Desert Storm
1992-1993 - South Korea - DMZ
1994-1995 - U.N. Mission in Haiti
1996-1998 - IFOR/SFOR/KFOR

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 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


its a reason you dont hunt deer with.22. .. why do you think that is? the deer might die after a while, but it can run off and be in agony for days before it dies. Same with humans, and they might kill you before they die. that round is useless for other than plinking if you ask me. even 223 is illegal deer round several places, because unless you hit exactly where your supposed to, same might happen there. a 308 delivers the same punch at 600 meters as a 223 at 100 meters, now imagine a 22
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For a couple grand you could easily get 4 different rifles/shotguns...

My suggestions:

1) Remington 870 Express 12ga shotgun. ~$300
2) AK-47. The AR-15 is nice but they aren't as resilient in the mud or with not being cleaned as the AK is. ~$650
3) Ruger 10/22. Semi-auto .22LR works great and are a steal at $200
4) Mosin-Nagant 91/30. The 7.62x54R round is powerful as hell and this thing works great for hunting. Super cheap gun since they are milsurp... $100

Total: $1250

Spend the rest on ammo.

Again... just my opinion. Opinions vary vastly when it comes to guns (usually based on personal experience).
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Just picked up my new M1A.. love it


I basically have an arsenal.. but this is my new one.. and so far favorite
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The accuracy of an AK47 will never meet the accuracy or distance of an AR15.
 Quoting: Chip®


That's right and the AR isn't a cheese stick like the AK. Way better quality and 223 is most common and you'll be able to pick it up off the dead guy a lot more often.
 Quoting: LORIEN


The AR may have accuracy but other then that the gun sucks and is way over priced. What are you going to do if your on the move and run out of cleaning supplies for your AR? How are you going to shoot anything if your gun won't fire. ARs jam way more then a AK or SKS
 Quoting: patdeez84


It's not hard to change an AR to a piston system. Throw lots of money into an AR it's as reliable as an AK. Throw lots of money into an AK and get nearly the accuracy an AR will have. It's all about the benjamins.
 Quoting: Chip®


True but even a cheap AR starts at around 900 bucks AKs around 400. I like my 79 dollar SKS, just as durable as the AK and good accuracy too.

Last Edited by patdeez84 on 02/03/2012 09:37 PM
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You can have your 7.62 I'am not going to go shooting 600yds and give away my cover I'll wait until they are in range of my 22short round pop'um in the head and nobody will even hear it.
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
Here's all you need

.22 Long Rifle

12 Gauge Shotgun

I have 4 Marlin Model 60 .22 Long rifles, and 4 - NEF 12 gauge shotguns. 1,000's of .22 LR rounds and Hundreds of 12 gauges shells.

All guns are same make and model (Think Spare Parts when TSHTF)

.22's will kill Humans on down to squirrels, 12 guage will take out the heavy stuff (Slugs)

also I have 3 hand pump BB rifles for small game (You dont want to alert your neighbors your killing the dove and squirrels in the neighborhood)

You can use my "Real World" experience to base Your decision if you like. I stand behind my advice.

Army - Combat Tours:
1990-1991 IRAQ - Desert Storm
1992-1993 - South Korea - DMZ
1994-1995 - U.N. Mission in Haiti
1996-1998 - IFOR/SFOR/KFOR

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 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


its a reason you dont hunt deer with.22. .. why do you think that is? the deer might die after a while, but it can run off and be in agony for days before it dies. Same with humans, and they might kill you before they die. that round is useless for other than plinking if you ask me. even 223 is illegal deer round several places, because unless you hit exactly where your supposed to, same might happen there. a 308 delivers the same punch at 600 meters as a 223 at 100 meters, now imagine a 22
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045


Most skirmishes take place within 150 yards. Plenty close for a .22 in the head.
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The accuracy of an AK47 will never meet the accuracy or distance of an AR15.
 Quoting: Chip®


That's right and the AR isn't a cheese stick like the AK. Way better quality and 223 is most common and you'll be able to pick it up off the dead guy a lot more often.
 Quoting: LORIEN


The AR may have accuracy but other then that the gun sucks and is way over priced. What are you going to do if your on the move and run out of cleaning supplies for your AR? How are you going to shoot anything if your gun won't fire. ARs jam way more then a AK or SKS
 Quoting: patdeez84


It's not hard to change an AR to a piston system. Throw lots of money into an AR it's as reliable as an AK. Throw lots of money into an AK and get nearly the accuracy an AR will have. It's all about the benjamins.
 Quoting: Chip®



You AR lovers just never give up trying to Trash on the AK accuracy.

But the reality is an AK can shoot 1 inch groups and the holes are bigger ;p
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
Here's all you need

.22 Long Rifle

12 Gauge Shotgun

I have 4 Marlin Model 60 .22 Long rifles, and 4 - NEF 12 gauge shotguns. 1,000's of .22 LR rounds and Hundreds of 12 gauges shells.

All guns are same make and model (Think Spare Parts when TSHTF)

.22's will kill Humans on down to squirrels, 12 guage will take out the heavy stuff (Slugs)

also I have 3 hand pump BB rifles for small game (You dont want to alert your neighbors your killing the dove and squirrels in the neighborhood)

You can use my "Real World" experience to base Your decision if you like. I stand behind my advice.

Army - Combat Tours:
1990-1991 IRAQ - Desert Storm
1992-1993 - South Korea - DMZ
1994-1995 - U.N. Mission in Haiti
1996-1998 - IFOR/SFOR/KFOR

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 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


its a reason you dont hunt deer with.22. .. why do you think that is? the deer might die after a while, but it can run off and be in agony for days before it dies. Same with humans, and they might kill you before they die. that round is useless for other than plinking if you ask me. even 223 is illegal deer round several places, because unless you hit exactly where your supposed to, same might happen there. a 308 delivers the same punch at 600 meters as a 223 at 100 meters, now imagine a 22
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045


Most skirmishes take place within 150 yards. Plenty close for a .22 in the head.
 Quoting: LORIEN


thats a myth, its a theory from the cold war and clashes between 2 similar sized and equipped armies, half the engagements in afghanistan are now beoynd 500 meters
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Here's all you need

.22 Long Rifle

12 Gauge Shotgun

I have 4 Marlin Model 60 .22 Long rifles, and 4 - NEF 12 gauge shotguns. 1,000's of .22 LR rounds and Hundreds of 12 gauges shells.

All guns are same make and model (Think Spare Parts when TSHTF)

.22's will kill Humans on down to squirrels, 12 guage will take out the heavy stuff (Slugs)

also I have 3 hand pump BB rifles for small game (You dont want to alert your neighbors your killing the dove and squirrels in the neighborhood)

You can use my "Real World" experience to base Your decision if you like. I stand behind my advice.

Army - Combat Tours:
1990-1991 IRAQ - Desert Storm
1992-1993 - South Korea - DMZ
1994-1995 - U.N. Mission in Haiti
1996-1998 - IFOR/SFOR/KFOR

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 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


its a reason you dont hunt deer with.22. .. why do you think that is? the deer might die after a while, but it can run off and be in agony for days before it dies. Same with humans, and they might kill you before they die. that round is useless for other than plinking if you ask me. even 223 is illegal deer round several places, because unless you hit exactly where your supposed to, same might happen there. a 308 delivers the same punch at 600 meters as a 223 at 100 meters, now imagine a 22
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045


Most skirmishes take place within 150 yards. Plenty close for a .22 in the head.
 Quoting: LORIEN


thats a myth, its a theory from the cold war and clashes between 2 similar sized and equipped armies, half the engagements in afghanistan are now beoynd 500 meters
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045



Its dependent upon your Terrain of the Battlefield. Duh.


I am in Michigan. We have alot of farm area and tree's that act like hedgerows.

Most of the time you cant see past 100 yards.

In the more open spaces you might be able to see out to 800 yards. But that is shooting from one end of a field to the other. And these places are far and few between.
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That's right and the AR isn't a cheese stick like the AK. Way better quality and 223 is most common and you'll be able to pick it up off the dead guy a lot more often.
 Quoting: LORIEN


The AR may have accuracy but other then that the gun sucks and is way over priced. What are you going to do if your on the move and run out of cleaning supplies for your AR? How are you going to shoot anything if your gun won't fire. ARs jam way more then a AK or SKS
 Quoting: patdeez84


It's not hard to change an AR to a piston system. Throw lots of money into an AR it's as reliable as an AK. Throw lots of money into an AK and get nearly the accuracy an AR will have. It's all about the benjamins.
 Quoting: Chip®



You AR lovers just never give up trying to Trash on the AK accuracy.

But the reality is an AK can shoot 1 inch groups and the holes are bigger ;p
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I like AK's! I'm not bashing anything. All weapons serve their own purpose.
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
Here's all you need

.22 Long Rifle

12 Gauge Shotgun

I have 4 Marlin Model 60 .22 Long rifles, and 4 - NEF 12 gauge shotguns. 1,000's of .22 LR rounds and Hundreds of 12 gauges shells.

All guns are same make and model (Think Spare Parts when TSHTF)

You can use my "Real World" experience to base Your decision if you like. I stand behind my advice.

Army - Combat Tours:
1990-1991 IRAQ - Desert Storm
1992-1993 - South Korea - DMZ
1994-1995 - U.N. Mission in Haiti
1996-1998 - IFOR/SFOR/KFOR

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 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


Isn't it amazing that the guys that have actually carried the 5.56 in combat never recommend it.....

OEF Combat Veteran 2010-2011
 Quoting: 7.62


...and do you think that is that exactly? 1dunno1
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its a reason you dont hunt deer with.22. .. why do you think that is? the deer might die after a while, but it can run off and be in agony for days before it dies. Same with humans, and they might kill you before they die. that round is useless for other than plinking if you ask me. even 223 is illegal deer round several places, because unless you hit exactly where your supposed to, same might happen there. a 308 delivers the same punch at 600 meters as a 223 at 100 meters, now imagine a 22
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045


Most skirmishes take place within 150 yards. Plenty close for a .22 in the head.
 Quoting: LORIEN


thats a myth, its a theory from the cold war and clashes between 2 similar sized and equipped armies, half the engagements in afghanistan are now beoynd 500 meters
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045



Its dependent upon your Terrain of the Battlefield. Duh.


I am in Michigan. We have alot of farm area and tree's that act like hedgerows.

Most of the time you cant see past 100 yards.

In the more open spaces you might be able to see out to 800 yards. But that is shooting from one end of a field to the other. And these places are far and few between.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7340804


ofcouse, but the usa are a place full of open spaces. the m16 was introduced for the vietnam war, in that enviroment both m16 and ak47 worked great being fast and light, but it have not worked so great in afghanistan so they brought back the m14. afghanistan will be more similar to the us in general. id want a 308 for a city enviroment too for the fact its full of covers.
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this is off topic of SHTF rifles.. but on the topic of guns...

Anyone ever use an ankle holster for a carry weapon? If so.. wondering what you thought of it.

I use a paddle holster now... but was wondering if anyone had any insight into ankle holsters.
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you are all planning on shooting people in the midst of the chaos you dream of, you are all serial killers lurking about, waiting for the moment to attack.


The Army needs people like you to go attack Afghanistan and Iran. The shit has hit the fan there, and the US is the shit that hit the fan.

You ARE the shit that will hit the fan.

You all better evacuate your land to the homeless, before they stomp the shit out of you.
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I asked this question within another thread, but decided to start my own:

"OK, serious question from someone who does not currently own any guns... if I can buy one good SHTF rifle, what should it be? I could spend a couple grand. I don't even care for guns, but I think it's getting close to the time that I should be owning one given the current situation in the US. I really appreciate the input. Thanks"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8412858


Stop by the local range. Ask for a good instructor who will let you shoot several different guns. After 10 - 20 hours of instruction and range time you will know what you want, how to safely use it, and what next steps you need to be proficient.
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holy crap... stepped away for a bit... thanks for all the input!, I need to go back and read it all now...
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Here's all you need

.22 Long Rifle

12 Gauge Shotgun

I have 4 Marlin Model 60 .22 Long rifles, and 4 - NEF 12 gauge shotguns. 1,000's of .22 LR rounds and Hundreds of 12 gauges shells.

All guns are same make and model (Think Spare Parts when TSHTF)

You can use my "Real World" experience to base Your decision if you like. I stand behind my advice.

Army - Combat Tours:
1990-1991 IRAQ - Desert Storm
1992-1993 - South Korea - DMZ
1994-1995 - U.N. Mission in Haiti
1996-1998 - IFOR/SFOR/KFOR

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 Quoting: ***DRAGOON***


Isn't it amazing that the guys that have actually carried the 5.56 in combat never recommend it.....

OEF Combat Veteran 2010-2011
 Quoting: 7.62


...and do you think that is that exactly? 1dunno1
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When you see guys shooting at you and putting holes in mud walls with guns that they haven't cleaned in 40 years, and your .223 (5.56) doesn't even penetrate those same walls...you gain a whole new respect for the 7.62x39 AK's
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I asked this question within another thread, but decided to start my own:

"OK, serious question from someone who does not currently own any guns... if I can buy one good SHTF rifle, what should it be? I could spend a couple grand. I don't even care for guns, but I think it's getting close to the time that I should be owning one given the current situation in the US. I really appreciate the input. Thanks"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8412858


Stop by the local range. Ask for a good instructor who will let you shoot several different guns. After 10 - 20 hours of instruction and range time you will know what you want, how to safely use it, and what next steps you need to be proficient.
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Thanks, I am signed up already!
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
The accuracy of an AK47 will never meet the accuracy or distance of an AR15.

I agree... however:

Recall that most people have no firearms training... not for maintenance, cleaning, marksmanship fundamentals, sight picture acquisition... nothing.

So for someone coming onto an Inet forum and asking for what rifle is best for when TSHTF... yeah, an AK reviver is actually superior in every way to an AR (which as you know is a complex mechanism... imagine some noob trying to figure out why his weapon keeps 'jamming' never realizing that the alignment of those three little bezel rings is the 'feeding' problem).

I feel only US veterans and those for whom target shooting is a hobby are the ones 'qualified' to say the AR is the best SHTF rifle receiver as it takes too much know-how to effectively employ.

If 12 year old kids in Africa can figure an AK out, so can some neophyte and his family.
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
you are all planning on shooting people in the midst of the chaos you dream of, you are all serial killers lurking about, waiting for the moment to attack.


The Army needs people like you to go attack Afghanistan and Iran. The shit has hit the fan there, and the US is the shit that hit the fan.

You ARE the shit that will hit the fan.

You all better evacuate your land to the homeless, before they stomp the shit out of you.
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HOLY SHIT YOU MIGHT BE RIGHT!
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
For a couple grand you could easily get 4 different rifles/shotguns...

My suggestions:

1) Remington 870 Express 12ga shotgun. ~$300
2) AK-47. The AR-15 is nice but they aren't as resilient in the mud or with not being cleaned as the AK is. ~$650
3) Ruger 10/22. Semi-auto .22LR works great and are a steal at $200
4) Mosin-Nagant 91/30. The 7.62x54R round is powerful as hell and this thing works great for hunting. Super cheap gun since they are milsurp... $100

Total: $1250

Spend the rest on ammo.

Again... just my opinion. Opinions vary vastly when it comes to guns (usually based on personal experience).
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I've considered a very similar line-up minus the Mosin, but for $100 WTF?
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
Everyone needs one pistol, one shotgun, and one rifle. Then lots of ammo.

But a good rifle to get is a mossberg 7mm. Now there are a million good rifles to get but this is the one i got. Why? Cause it is inexpensive and has a near perfect bore sight. You can pick one up brand new for about $550 bucks. They look cool and modern. And i wanted a round with maximum kick at the longest range with the flatest trajectory. Heavier rounds require more adjustment at longer ranges. When your kids are hungry and you need that deer, the 7mm will almost double your chances of bringing home some food. And this is coming from a sniper qualified army recon specialist. I have personally knocked down many deer with this basic rifle at a quarter mile. Just make sure you get a high quality scope.

The downside is the 7mm round is not all that popular so in a collapsed situation you probably won't stumble upon them rumaging through an abandoned house. And they won't be worth much in a barganing scenario. But for me i probably won't be barganing very much. So i just picked up enough ammo to last a few years and called it good.

The pistol is for self defense. The scatter gun will be used for getting birds. Birds will be a main staple so get lots of game shells and keep them dry. Use the led shot on the bustas. Good luck.
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Excellent...thanks
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Most gun tards are cowards incapable of fighting like real mens!

Challenge me and you will regret not to have your gun after i transform your ugly butt in jello!
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Maybe, maybe not... but I do know that my good friend and neighbor is a 6th degree black belt/grand master and he's started arming himself too!
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Here's all you need

.22 Long Rifle

12 Gauge Shotgun

I have 4 Marlin Model 60 .22 Long rifles, and 4 - NEF 12 gauge shotguns. 1,000's of .22 LR rounds and Hundreds of 12 gauges shells.

All guns are same make and model (Think Spare Parts when TSHTF)

You can use my "Real World" experience to base Your decision if you like. I stand behind my advice.

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1994-1995 - U.N. Mission in Haiti
1996-1998 - IFOR/SFOR/KFOR

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Isn't it amazing that the guys that have actually carried the 5.56 in combat never recommend it.....

OEF Combat Veteran 2010-2011
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...and do you think that is that exactly? 1dunno1
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When you see guys shooting at you and putting holes in mud walls with guns that they haven't cleaned in 40 years, and your .223 (5.56) doesn't even penetrate those same walls...you gain a whole new respect for the 7.62x39 AK's
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Sorry for the typo earlier.
Coming out of my sugar-coma from desert this evening. stoned

I would tend to agree.....but just wanted to hear your thoughts. .308's & 7.62 pack a punch.
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you are all planning on shooting people in the midst of the chaos you dream of, you are all serial killers lurking about, waiting for the moment to attack.


The Army needs people like you to go attack Afghanistan and Iran. The shit has hit the fan there, and the US is the shit that hit the fan.

You ARE the shit that will hit the fan.

You all better evacuate your land to the homeless, before they stomp the shit out of you.
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huge difference being realistic about what future might bring if what we see now continues, and go seek up and start trouble. the collapse in argentina was the same as we see in the us today. argentina was a rich country until the banks robbed them. you cant take anything for granted, its with that in mind we debate this. also i support the americans 2 amendment, you are able to use force and chase the gangsters out of the white house if you want to, we have no such option in europe

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