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Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?

 
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is it me or is it a money issue.....5 pages of ruger 10-22 and no mention of the ruger mini-14.....5.56.....lots of parts....30 round magazine....and more accurate than an ar-15....and very very reliable.......that`s a good doomsday rifle
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more accurate than an AR-15?

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Well, its not more accurate, but its a tough little rifle. Its kind of like an AK47 in 223. The recent ones have a thicker barrel, friend of mine have one, and ive shot it alot. I think it would work find out to the ranges you would use a 5.56 round, around 3-400 meters. Beyond that its useless, AR's i think can hit what you aim at out to 600 at max, but it would be like being shot with a regular .22 at those ranges.
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i`m afraid it is more accurate....military magazine had a match up between the two and ruger got closer groups...not by much but it did.....at 100 yards open sight.....but obviously the AR is more easy to handle and easier to take apart for cleaning.....i own a mini-14....you wont be decieved by it`s perfomance ...as you said it is a tough little rifle
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Do they use Mini -14's out at Camp Perry against the AR-15's? I don't recall any of the guys mentioning the Mini-14.....
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more accurate than an AR-15?

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Well, its not more accurate, but its a tough little rifle. Its kind of like an AK47 in 223. The recent ones have a thicker barrel, friend of mine have one, and ive shot it alot. I think it would work find out to the ranges you would use a 5.56 round, around 3-400 meters. Beyond that its useless, AR's i think can hit what you aim at out to 600 at max, but it would be like being shot with a regular .22 at those ranges.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045

i`m afraid it is more accurate....military magazine had a match up between the two and ruger got closer groups...not by much but it did.....at 100 yards open sight.....but obviously the AR is more easy to handle and easier to take apart for cleaning.....i own a mini-14....you wont be decieved by it`s perfomance ...as you said it is a tough little rifle
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Do they use Mini -14's out at Camp Perry against the AR-15's? I don't recall any of the guys mentioning the Mini-14.....
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Why would the military be using AR-15's anyway? AR-15's are the civilian version of the M4...
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BULLPUP SKS...45CAL 1911..PISTOL CROSSBOW..PUMP SHOTGUN..RCBS RELOADER SETUP.
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more accurate than an AR-15?

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Well, its not more accurate, but its a tough little rifle. Its kind of like an AK47 in 223. The recent ones have a thicker barrel, friend of mine have one, and ive shot it alot. I think it would work find out to the ranges you would use a 5.56 round, around 3-400 meters. Beyond that its useless, AR's i think can hit what you aim at out to 600 at max, but it would be like being shot with a regular .22 at those ranges.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045

i`m afraid it is more accurate....military magazine had a match up between the two and ruger got closer groups...not by much but it did.....at 100 yards open sight.....but obviously the AR is more easy to handle and easier to take apart for cleaning.....i own a mini-14....you wont be decieved by it`s perfomance ...as you said it is a tough little rifle
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Do they use Mini -14's out at Camp Perry against the AR-15's? I don't recall any of the guys mentioning the Mini-14.....
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that was about the same time i purchase mine so we`re taking about 10 years ago but they had a very interesting match up.......btw is`nt the national guard having mini`s in their arsenal.......i remember seeing an ad where a soldier was carring a mini.....maybe i`m wrong
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Well, its not more accurate, but its a tough little rifle. Its kind of like an AK47 in 223. The recent ones have a thicker barrel, friend of mine have one, and ive shot it alot. I think it would work find out to the ranges you would use a 5.56 round, around 3-400 meters. Beyond that its useless, AR's i think can hit what you aim at out to 600 at max, but it would be like being shot with a regular .22 at those ranges.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045

i`m afraid it is more accurate....military magazine had a match up between the two and ruger got closer groups...not by much but it did.....at 100 yards open sight.....but obviously the AR is more easy to handle and easier to take apart for cleaning.....i own a mini-14....you wont be decieved by it`s perfomance ...as you said it is a tough little rifle
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Do they use Mini -14's out at Camp Perry against the AR-15's? I don't recall any of the guys mentioning the Mini-14.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2926765


Why would the military be using AR-15's anyway? AR-15's are the civilian version of the M4...
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you got a point....even if i`m a mini fan there is no way i`ll say no to an AR....
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Well, its not more accurate, but its a tough little rifle. Its kind of like an AK47 in 223. The recent ones have a thicker barrel, friend of mine have one, and ive shot it alot. I think it would work find out to the ranges you would use a 5.56 round, around 3-400 meters. Beyond that its useless, AR's i think can hit what you aim at out to 600 at max, but it would be like being shot with a regular .22 at those ranges.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10095045

i`m afraid it is more accurate....military magazine had a match up between the two and ruger got closer groups...not by much but it did.....at 100 yards open sight.....but obviously the AR is more easy to handle and easier to take apart for cleaning.....i own a mini-14....you wont be decieved by it`s perfomance ...as you said it is a tough little rifle
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Do they use Mini -14's out at Camp Perry against the AR-15's? I don't recall any of the guys mentioning the Mini-14.....
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that was about the same time i purchase mine so we`re taking about 10 years ago but they had a very interesting match up.......btw is`nt the national guard having mini`s in their arsenal.......i remember seeing an ad where a soldier was carring a mini.....maybe i`m wrong
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police and millitary do use mini 14:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

But i doubt it was the version 10 years ago with the thin barrel in that case. The thicker barrel that came later improved accurancy.

Anyway its a fun little rifle to shoot, feels like a toy gun :)
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A quick search indicates that the NRA puts on matches at Camp Perry. I doubt if they limit it to military only with military rifles.
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A quick search indicates that the NRA puts on matches at Camp Perry. I doubt if they limit it to military only with military rifles.
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oh i wasn't arguing... just curious.

Seemed silly that AR's would be used on a military base.

But if the NRA is setting up matches, then yea.. you'll get all sorts of civilian firearms there.
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
308 FAL
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I asked this question within another thread, but decided to start my own:

"OK, serious question from someone who does not currently own any guns... if I can buy one good SHTF rifle, what should it be? I could spend a couple grand. I don't even care for guns, but I think it's getting close to the time that I should be owning one given the current situation in the US. I really appreciate the input. Thanks"
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[link to www.youtube.com] street sweeper,nuf said
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I asked this question within another thread, but decided to start my own:

"OK, serious question from someone who does not currently own any guns... if I can buy one good SHTF rifle, what should it be? I could spend a couple grand. I don't even care for guns, but I think it's getting close to the time that I should be owning one given the current situation in the US. I really appreciate the input. Thanks"
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[link to www.youtube.com] street sweeper,nuf said
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Declared a "Destructive Device" under the NFA by the ATF....they had to be turned in or registered .....
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i`m afraid it is more accurate....military magazine had a match up between the two and ruger got closer groups...not by much but it did.....at 100 yards open sight.....but obviously the AR is more easy to handle and easier to take apart for cleaning.....i own a mini-14....you wont be decieved by it`s perfomance ...as you said it is a tough little rifle
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9613369


Do they use Mini -14's out at Camp Perry against the AR-15's? I don't recall any of the guys mentioning the Mini-14.....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2926765
that was about the same time i purchase mine so we`re taking about 10 years ago but they had a very interesting match up.......btw is`nt the national guard having mini`s in their arsenal.......i remember seeing an ad where a soldier was carring a mini.....maybe i`m wrong
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9613369


police and millitary do use mini 14:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

But i doubt it was the version 10 years ago with the thin barrel in that case. The thicker barrel that came later improved accurancy.

Anyway its a fun little rifle to shoot, feels like a toy gun :)
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it was the thin barrel version and did more than expected.....i would love to shoot that new bull barrel version.....i own a browning 7 mm mag with boss system...looks like the new ruger system was inspired by the boss browning made adjustable muzzle......using remington loads.....that is a killer i can feel it lol
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
The .17 hmr round looks so much better than the .22

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02/04/2012 01:50 AM
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The .17 hmr round looks so much better than the .22


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no shit.....innu people in the arctic switch from big calibers to 17 hmr.......accurate so you can make a head shot and waste no meat.......helps when you shoot small games or even a caribou
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
All of these:

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OMFG!

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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
a 308 for long shots

a 45 pistol for good stopping power

shot gun when they r n groups.

and a semi. 7.62 for mowing the lawn from the front porch.
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22's are regarded as under powered but that round has killed more people than any other. Still, if you don't shoot, get a shotgun.
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22's are regarded as under powered but that round has killed more people than any other. Still, if you don't shoot, get a shotgun.
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....seriously? You're suggesting to people who "don't shoot" to buy a shotgun.

That is like suggesting to people who don't drive to buy a Humvee....
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is it me or is it a money issue.....5 pages of ruger 10-22 and no mention of the ruger mini-14.....5.56.....lots of parts....30 round magazine....and more accurate than an ar-15....and very very reliable.......that`s a good doomsday rifle
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norespect


Holy shit, thanks for the good laugh, I needed that.
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
SKS.................

SKS................

did I mention SKS?? the all but forgotten predecessor to the AK, with better accuracy..

get a 30 rd clip for it, not hard to mod.

the power and durability of an AK, with the accuracy of an AR (almost)..

is good for everything from perimeter defense, to hunting deer.

A good chrome lined yugo can be had for under $300

A norinco, for about the same.... just get a chrome lined, b/c much of the cheap surplus ammo you'll be tempted to get for it can be corrosive...

good deals can be had, just gotta hunt them out....
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But get the .40 instead... Holds 14+1

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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
SKS.................

SKS................

did I mention SKS?? the all but forgotten predecessor to the AK, with better accuracy..

get a 30 rd clip for it, not hard to mod.

the power and durability of an AK, with the accuracy of an AR (almost)..

is good for everything from perimeter defense, to hunting deer.

A good chrome lined yugo can be had for under $300

A norinco, for about the same.... just get a chrome lined, b/c much of the cheap surplus ammo you'll be tempted to get for it can be corrosive...

good deals can be had, just gotta hunt them out....
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I miss the days of the $90 SKS's.... now they are $200^
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
SKS.................

SKS................

did I mention SKS?? the all but forgotten predecessor to the AK, with better accuracy..

get a 30 rd clip for it, not hard to mod.

the power and durability of an AK, with the accuracy of an AR (almost)..

is good for everything from perimeter defense, to hunting deer.

A good chrome lined yugo can be had for under $300

A norinco, for about the same.... just get a chrome lined, b/c much of the cheap surplus ammo you'll be tempted to get for it can be corrosive...

good deals can be had, just gotta hunt them out....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9642260


I have no idea where people hear this, what sucks is they then repeat it. Sorry but I've shot SKS's and they are not as accurate as a AK let alone a good AR15. A SKS is good to about 300 meters at the most, and that'd be like at 4 MOA or worse. A good combat ready AR15 can shoot sub-MOA all day long if the shooter is good enough to do it.
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
is it me or is it a money issue.....5 pages of ruger 10-22 and no mention of the ruger mini-14.....5.56.....lots of parts....30 round magazine....and more accurate than an ar-15....and very very reliable.......that`s a good doomsday rifle
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norespect


Holy shit, thanks for the good laugh, I needed that.
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sounds like your a fancy guy....tell me what weapon makes you so fancy....
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
SKS.................

SKS................

did I mention SKS?? the all but forgotten predecessor to the AK, with better accuracy..

get a 30 rd clip for it, not hard to mod.

the power and durability of an AK, with the accuracy of an AR (almost)..

is good for everything from perimeter defense, to hunting deer.

A good chrome lined yugo can be had for under $300

A norinco, for about the same.... just get a chrome lined, b/c much of the cheap surplus ammo you'll be tempted to get for it can be corrosive...

good deals can be had, just gotta hunt them out....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9642260


I have no idea where people hear this, what sucks is they then repeat it. Sorry but I've shot SKS's and they are not as accurate as a AK let alone a good AR15. A SKS is good to about 300 meters at the most, and that'd be like at 4 MOA or worse. A good combat ready AR15 can shoot sub-MOA all day long if the shooter is good enough to do it.
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Just for reference. [link to riflestocks.tripod.com]
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Re: Which rifle to buy for when the SHTF?
is it me or is it a money issue.....5 pages of ruger 10-22 and no mention of the ruger mini-14.....5.56.....lots of parts....30 round magazine....and more accurate than an ar-15....and very very reliable.......that`s a good doomsday rifle
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norespect


Holy shit, thanks for the good laugh, I needed that.
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sounds like your a fancy guy....tell me what weapon makes you so fancy....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9613369


Nothing fancy about it. It's the way the guns are built, the mini has a mostly unsupported barrel and gas piston system. The Ar15's barrel is held on by a barrel nut at the receiver, that and the straight line recoil design is what makes AR15's so accurate out of the box. The mini is a good gun, not knocking that, there's just no way it's that accurate without a lot of, time, effort, and money, and then it's stil just so so compared to other rifle designs. Glad you have one and like it. I myself wouldn't mind having a Mini-30 to plink with, but the damn ruger mags are way to much for my taste. I'm spoiled with 14 dollar magpul pmags for my AR :).
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well you must have shot a shitty SKS that wasn't set up right.

last time I shot a yugo SKS was right after I shot a Russian AK.

THE SKS GROUP WAS WAY TIGHTER than the AK, at the same distance, everyone at the range was dumping on the AK after this. The AK group was very, very loose, the SKS, was all in about 3 inch. for you to say you don't know why people repeat it??.. I'm not REPEATING IT, THIS was personal experience. I SHOT THEM BOTH WITIN 2 MINUTES OF EACH OTHER.

just on barrel length alone, the SKS has advantage, which is the single biggest factor in distance accuracy.

I'm sure many who have shot both side to side will swoop in to discredit you...

you'd be in about the 5% minority who would say the AK had better accuracy..



cmon, jeez...
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If I only had 1 weapon it would be a .22. I'm very happy I don't have to have only 1! Nevertheless you can carry hundreds of 22 rounds right in your pocket and if your a dead eye...all will be well.
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While not sexy or macho, this is the best answer.
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The unregistered one. The police state will confiscate all firearms.
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well you must have shot a shitty SKS that wasn't set up right.

last time I shot a yugo SKS was right after I shot a Russian AK.

THE SKS GROUP WAS WAY TIGHTER than the AK, at the same distance, everyone at the range was dumping on the AK after this. The AK group was very, very loose, the SKS, was all in about 3 inch. for you to say you don't know why people repeat it??.. I'm not REPEATING IT, THIS was personal experience. I SHOT THEM BOTH WITIN 2 MINUTES OF EACH OTHER.

just on barrel length alone, the SKS has advantage, which is the single biggest factor in distance accuracy.

I'm sure many who have shot both side to side will swoop in to discredit you...

you'd be in about the 5% minority who would say the AK had better accuracy..



cmon, jeez...
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I've always liked the SKS myself.

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