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Military Tells Catholic Chaplains What They Can and Can't Say About Obama Administration's Assault on Religion...

Now the Obama Administration is forbidding Catholic chaplains from reading a letter from the leader of the US bishops. Business Insider reported:

The emerging conflict between the Catholic Church and the Obama administration may have a new front: in the U.S. military itself. The Catholic Church is fighting mad about an HHS ruling that would have them buy insurance for things they consider sinful–contraception, sterilization and abortion.

All the bishops in the country sent out a letter to be read in their parishes promising that the Church "cannot-and will not-comply with this unjust law." Even Archbishop Timothy Broglio, who is in charge of Catholic military chaplains sent out the same letter.

But after he did, the Army's Office of the Chief of Chaplains sent out another communication forbidding Catholic priests to read the letter, in part because it seemed to encourage civil disobedience, and could be read as seditious against the Commander-in-Chief.


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Seems we don't have a President..We have a **King**
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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
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Military is about loyalty to the country -- that means you and I and the chain of command -- while they serve.

They are not supposed to divide up their loyalties based on politics, religion, sex, what state they come from, etc. While they are in, they are supposed to rise up above all that and remain committed to America and not what sub-group of Americans they belong to.

If the Catholic chaplains don't have enough sense to avoid material that attacks the commander in chief over birth control policies, then they have to be told to STFU.
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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
 Quoting: christian


When you join the military, you sign away your civil rights. So the rights aren't being "taken away" from the soldiers or the Chaplains.
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Military is about loyalty to the country -- that means you and I and the chain of command -- while they serve.

They are not supposed to divide up their loyalties based on politics, religion, sex, what state they come from, etc. While they are in, they are supposed to rise up above all that and remain committed to America and not what sub-group of Americans they belong to.

If the Catholic chaplains don't have enough sense to avoid material that attacks the commander in chief over birth control policies, then they have to be told to STFU.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8033377


So the Catholic Chaplains have no right to speak on thier rights as members of the Catholic Faith regarding Obama trampling on thier religious liberty?
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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
 Quoting: christian


LMAO. No one is going to take away my rights because I don't need them. I don't need a government protecting me. We're living in a different world. You either adapt or you are fucked.
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God and country. Notice God comes first. The Bishops ignored Obozo and the Chief Chaplin and read the statement anyway, as they should have. Nobody should be surprised by any of this, we all know it is coming, this is just the beginning.
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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
 Quoting: christian


When you join the military, you sign away your civil rights. So the rights aren't being "taken away" from the soldiers or the Chaplains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8033377



You lose what Civil rights????????
Susie

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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
 Quoting: christian


LMAO. No one is going to take away my rights because I don't need them. I don't need a government protecting me. We're living in a different world. You either adapt or you are fucked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Well then I guess you will have no trouble adjusting to the
***NEW WORLD ORDER****

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You have no idea what kinds of things regulate chaplains... chaplains of all denominations... in the military, and Catholics in particular.

I Will bet you didn't know that Catholic chaplains are the ONLY US service persons who are necessarily VOLUNTEERS. That's right, the church can order priests to serve in the US armed forces!

They no longer have to abide by an oath of poverty, and should they serve out a full career, are entitled to both priest and officer pensions.

Like all US Armed Service persons, they lose the ability to exercise several key aspects codified within the Bill of Rights (to include freedom of speech/press).

They must comply with, and not break, all articles within the UCMJ.

And finally, oh yes, they must... just like every other service person... OBEY THE LAWFUL ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED ABOVE THEM. And 'lawful' would include not reading to one's congregation any materials that would be considered seditious. I have not read the article, but I bet "sedition" or "seditious" appear within the text!
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God and country. Notice God comes first. The Bishops ignored Obozo and the Chief Chaplin and read the statement anyway, as they should have. Nobody should be surprised by any of this, we all know it is coming, this is just the beginning.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9139427


You are sure right about that!
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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
 Quoting: christian


LMAO. No one is going to take away my rights because I don't need them. I don't need a government protecting me. We're living in a different world. You either adapt or you are fucked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Well then I guess you will have no trouble adjusting to the
***NEW WORLD ORDER****

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Are you kidding? Some on this site would tattoo the mark on their forehead tonight for a cheeseburger.
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Not at all.
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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
 Quoting: christian


When you join the military, you sign away your civil rights. So the rights aren't being "taken away" from the soldiers or the Chaplains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8033377



You lose what Civil rights????????
 Quoting: christian


You lose all your rights.
Pearl Harbor was an inside job.
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Cool and about time we rise above all this religious cult shit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
 Quoting: christian


LMAO. No one is going to take away my rights because I don't need them. I don't need a government protecting me. We're living in a different world. You either adapt or you are fucked.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8392941


Well then I guess you will have no trouble adjusting to the
***NEW WORLD ORDER****

 Quoting: christian


Nope. I'm already there.
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You have no idea what kinds of things regulate chaplains... chaplains of all denominations... in the military, and Catholics in particular.

I Will bet you didn't know that Catholic chaplains are the ONLY US service persons who are necessarily VOLUNTEERS. That's right, the church can order priests to serve in the US armed forces!

They no longer have to abide by an oath of poverty, and should they serve out a full career, are entitled to both priest and officer pensions.

Like all US Armed Service persons, they lose the ability to exercise several key aspects codified within the Bill of Rights (to include freedom of speech/press).

They must comply with, and not break, all articles within the UCMJ.

And finally, oh yes, they must... just like every other service person... OBEY THE LAWFUL ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED ABOVE THEM. And 'lawful' would include not reading to one's congregation any materials that would be considered seditious. I have not read the article, but I bet "sedition" or "seditious" appear within the text!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9746155



The Archdiocese believes that any attempt to keep a chaplain from freely teaching and preaching the Catholic faith, for which you were endorsed, is a violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution.....
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Well, He smashes Our rights with NDAA so He might as well hit freedom of religion and speech to continue the butcher field !
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You have no idea what kinds of things regulate chaplains... chaplains of all denominations... in the military, and Catholics in particular.

I Will bet you didn't know that Catholic chaplains are the ONLY US service persons who are necessarily VOLUNTEERS. That's right, the church can order priests to serve in the US armed forces!

They no longer have to abide by an oath of poverty, and should they serve out a full career, are entitled to both priest and officer pensions.

Like all US Armed Service persons, they lose the ability to exercise several key aspects codified within the Bill of Rights (to include freedom of speech/press).

They must comply with, and not break, all articles within the UCMJ.

And finally, oh yes, they must... just like every other service person... OBEY THE LAWFUL ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED ABOVE THEM. And 'lawful' would include not reading to one's congregation any materials that would be considered seditious. I have not read the article, but I bet "sedition" or "seditious" appear within the text!
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Damn it... NOT necessarily volunteers... NOT.

Sorry, my brain is faster than my fingers.
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...


Just remember:

When they take away your religious rights, you will also lose your GOD Given rights:

1. Liberty

2. Freedom

3. Justice and the Pursuit of Happiness..


CLUE:

If MAN gives you rights, then he can surely take them away from you...


Welcome to Tyranny....
 Quoting: christian


When you join the military, you sign away your civil rights. So the rights aren't being "taken away" from the soldiers or the Chaplains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8033377



You lose what Civil rights????????
 Quoting: christian


You lose all your rights.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


Then what good would a Military Chaplain be, if they have no right to preach on the tenants of thier faith?
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When you join the military, you sign away your civil rights. So the rights aren't being "taken away" from the soldiers or the Chaplains.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8033377



You lose what Civil rights????????
 Quoting: christian


You lose all your rights.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


Then what good would a Military Chaplain be, if they have no right to preach on the tenants of thier faith?
 Quoting: christian


They are no good.
Pearl Harbor was an inside job.
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Well, He smashes Our rights with NDAA so He might as well hit freedom of religion and speech to continue the butcher field !
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You read too much propaganda!!!
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You lose what Civil rights????????
 Quoting: christian


You lose all your rights.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


Then what good would a Military Chaplain be, if they have no right to preach on the tenants of thier faith?
 Quoting: christian


They are no good.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


You mean they are loosing thier religious rights in the U.S Military....
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You lose all your rights.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


Then what good would a Military Chaplain be, if they have no right to preach on the tenants of thier faith?
 Quoting: christian


They are no good.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


You mean they are loosing thier religious rights in the U.S Military....
 Quoting: christian


You don't have any rights in the military. You don't seem to get that.
Pearl Harbor was an inside job.
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You have no idea what kinds of things regulate chaplains... chaplains of all denominations... in the military, and Catholics in particular.

I Will bet you didn't know that Catholic chaplains are the ONLY US service persons who are necessarily VOLUNTEERS. That's right, the church can order priests to serve in the US armed forces!

They no longer have to abide by an oath of poverty, and should they serve out a full career, are entitled to both priest and officer pensions.

Like all US Armed Service persons, they lose the ability to exercise several key aspects codified within the Bill of Rights (to include freedom of speech/press).

They must comply with, and not break, all articles within the UCMJ.

And finally, oh yes, they must... just like every other service person... OBEY THE LAWFUL ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED ABOVE THEM. And 'lawful' would include not reading to one's congregation any materials that would be considered seditious. I have not read the article, but I bet "sedition" or "seditious" appear within the text!
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I don't think it will stand up in court, but then again, who knows.
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Then what good would a Military Chaplain be, if they have no right to preach on the tenants of thier faith?
 Quoting: christian


They are no good.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


You mean they are loosing thier religious rights in the U.S Military....
 Quoting: christian


You don't have any rights in the military. You don't seem to get that.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead



Yes you do you dolt.
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You have no idea what kinds of things regulate chaplains... chaplains of all denominations... in the military, and Catholics in particular.

I Will bet you didn't know that Catholic chaplains are the ONLY US service persons who are necessarily VOLUNTEERS. That's right, the church can order priests to serve in the US armed forces!

They no longer have to abide by an oath of poverty, and should they serve out a full career, are entitled to both priest and officer pensions.

Like all US Armed Service persons, they lose the ability to exercise several key aspects codified within the Bill of Rights (to include freedom of speech/press).

They must comply with, and not break, all articles within the UCMJ.

And finally, oh yes, they must... just like every other service person... OBEY THE LAWFUL ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED ABOVE THEM. And 'lawful' would include not reading to one's congregation any materials that would be considered seditious. I have not read the article, but I bet "sedition" or "seditious" appear within the text!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9746155



The Archdiocese believes that any attempt to keep a chaplain from freely teaching and preaching the Catholic faith, for which you were endorsed, is a violation of the First Amendment of the Constitution.....
 Quoting: christian


Well, what anyone/anything believes and what actual UCMJ is are two different things.

Again, in the Armed Forces... YOU ARE NOT GUARANTEED 1ST AMENDMENT RIGHTS!!!

Ask an veteran and they will tell you. You can't pass out NAZI literature on post (federal, and thus public property). You can't have/get certain kinds of tattoos. You can't display certain flags in your barracks room (specifically, no flags of any 'nation state' defeated by the USA in a time war... and yes... that includes Mexico, England and the CSA [but these flags are seen all the time... it's really the Swastika they are trying to ban]). You can't speak of how you feel Islamic law should trump the COnst/UCMJ on post (ibid).

I could go on all day with this one.
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You have no idea what kinds of things regulate chaplains... chaplains of all denominations... in the military, and Catholics in particular.

I Will bet you didn't know that Catholic chaplains are the ONLY US service persons who are necessarily VOLUNTEERS. That's right, the church can order priests to serve in the US armed forces!

They no longer have to abide by an oath of poverty, and should they serve out a full career, are entitled to both priest and officer pensions.

Like all US Armed Service persons, they lose the ability to exercise several key aspects codified within the Bill of Rights (to include freedom of speech/press).

They must comply with, and not break, all articles within the UCMJ.

And finally, oh yes, they must... just like every other service person... OBEY THE LAWFUL ORDERS OF THE OFFICERS APPOINTED ABOVE THEM. And 'lawful' would include not reading to one's congregation any materials that would be considered seditious. I have not read the article, but I bet "sedition" or "seditious" appear within the text!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9746155


I don't think it will stand up in court, but then again, who knows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9139427


HUH? What will stand up in what court?
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Then what good would a Military Chaplain be, if they have no right to preach on the tenants of thier faith?
 Quoting: christian


They are no good.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


You mean they are loosing thier religious rights in the U.S Military....
 Quoting: christian


You don't have any rights in the military. You don't seem to get that.
 Quoting: CrazyJarhead


Well, they ARE causing a *Rift*


The letter also tries to clarify to priests that the Archbishop's letter "concerns a moral, not a political issue."

While it is true that soldiers do not have an unlimited right to free speech or political action, the military does not want to strain relations with the Catholic Church and its chaplains who provide services to many service members of all faiths.
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