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We are NOT Gods... There Is Only ONE God <<< His name Is Jesus Christ The Lord >>>

 
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Okay, I finally get it: whoever posts the most Bible quotes wins.
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that's what it seems...
"a foundation built on lies is always bound to crumble and those who aren't humble shall tumble to the earth"
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I HAVE A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION FOR ALL YOU MONOTHESIC GOD/JESUS LOVERS....and albeit a sensible one.

While I do like the fact that even though your WORD as it is referred to in the bible does bring some semi-positive change in some peoples lives....I ask you this....

IF THERE WAS NO SUCH THING AS DEATH, THEREFORE, YOU WOULD NO LONGER NEED TO BE AFRAID TO DIE WITHOUT BEING ACCEPTED INTO "HEAVEN",WOULD YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR "GOD"

Remember please, I ask this as a hypothetical in reference to your constant need to prove oneself in order to pass your so-called judgement

**Curios**
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No death you say I think you miss the point, those who live in the fellowship of a spirit filled life and I mean the Holy Spirit can rely on each other. In your world there are other spirits, there's some you find in hopelessness of a drug addicted life, but lets say you yourself consider yourself above all that, and are allowed to have your own planet just like this one and you were Adam and you were all alone, then how would you feel about God when he made you a helper so beautiful you were mesmerized by her, so you began to fill your garden with your own fruit, and they let you down and betrayed you, ruined your happy life, and you wished that they would all just go away and leave you alone, and if you are just a little more patient with Adam's fruit you will get your wish, you will be with people who think like you and I will be with my God who is my brother and he is planning an eternal life for everyone who thinks like me, where the fruit are godly and the river flows with life.

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So, why do I even bother...sigh,

to repeat,

are you then Christian like the ancient Canaanites, (CONDEMNED by YAH OF THE BIBLE), ancient Sumerians, Egyptians, Masons, Luciferians?

Only one of those would say what your threat is titled - or an extremely ignorant modern-day brainwashed clueless cog.
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only they would say Tammuz, Dumuzi,
Horus, Her, Lucifer, Lord, and it all means the same thing.

Your Jesus is the same as their Lord, Esus, Zeus, Theos, Deus, Dio, Baal,

Your guy is the wrong guy, sorry to burst your joy for the moment, but better now to do that and learn your error before you no longer have a chance to do so.

Prove to me yours is different.

You can't. so you don't even try.

You think you are right.

So did Anton La Vey

so - listen to the sound of silence.......

SILENT ACQUIESCENCE (sp?) of the fact that you know you are worshipping the evil one, and you like it, and you will NOT CHANGE.

Someone, please = any honest Christians out there?

Any one, at all?

Ask the first question. Questions are the most important thing.
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The masons go to your churches and smirk, pretend to be moral and talk about Christ Jesus...

and you think they are not laughing at all of your ignorant asses?

they are referring to Lucifer, man, LUCIFER/Satan!

Wake the FUCK UP!
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Why didn't Jesus rebuke Thomas for calling Him "God"?

The ever skeptical disciple, Thomas, was unconvinced that Jesus was resurrected and wanted to see direct proof.

After Jesus rose from the dead and appeared to him, his only reaction was "My Lord and my God!"

Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, have you believed? Blessed are they who did not see, and yet believed." (John 20:28-29)

If Jesus were not God, accepting such a statement for truth would be a grievous sin. Either Jesus is God or He would have to be a sinner!
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How do we know Jesus didn't correct Thomas? Do you think every word that Jesus uttered was written down?

How do we know that was actually what was said, afterall, it isn't like the gospels were written at that very moment.

How do we know that a Trinitarian didn't just add it to further the cause of Jesus being GOD?

Jesus' own words deny it in so many places... and so loudly.

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Once again Thomas is just a man... perhaps he like most of mankind just got it wrong!

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? We can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.
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Okay, I finally get it: whoever posts the most Bible quotes wins.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9847080


Well when debating GOD with Christians... you have to correct them showing where they are wrong in the Bible.

Christians will say they follow Jesus but it is obvious that they follow what men said more than what Jesus said.

Sad but true!
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UM Actually no she didn't. Cassie has used men's words (not Jesus') to justify her position and it doesn't stand up to reasonable analysis.

Jesus, the SON of GOD, whom if you believe you know definitely was full of the Holy Spirit said this

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE, THAT IS, GOD.
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Yet we know that Jesus was GOOD and without sin.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Col 2: 8-10

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21,

Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1 Peter 2:22,

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15,

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 1 John 3:5,

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 9:28,
 Quoting: Cassie :-)


WOW Cassie I think you just proved my point. You continually quote men in your reply. So if you don't mind I'll continue by quoting Jesus.

So is Jesus spoiling me with philosophy and vain deceipt here?

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be? Was Jesus lying?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If no man has seen GOD at any time then how can Jesus be GOD? Jesus says no-one has seen GOD himself in John 5:37, when Jesus sitting in front of people.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He assends to GOD. They are separate! How can you deny this obvious separation?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?

Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this! Jesus is pleading here!

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Both have life in themselves... Why did Jesus choose to explain the singular Jesus/GOD so obliquely?

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet? Why would Jesus mislead us like this? Unless of course God and Jesus are two separete individuals and then he isn't misleading but trinitarians are misunderstanding!

Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.

Was Jesus praying to himself? And isn't heaven supposedly within? Why did he pray OUR FATHER when he was standing right in front of them.

Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus pleads to know why GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Question: So we can be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here! Are you suggesting Jesus sent himself and then lied to us?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third entity). GOD doesn't visit you - the Holy Ghost does!

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter ONLY won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity?

This makes no sense at all...

It's hard to debate people who continually prefer to listen to men like Paul and Peter but fail to listen to Jesus' precise explantions. Jesus explains his oneness with GOD and our ability to be at one with GOD. It doen't make us all the same being!

Sorry if Jesus upsets the dogma placed in our heads by men...

I can spend hours proving this simple point with Jesus' words... but I just haven't got the time.
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UM Actually no she didn't. Cassie has used men's words (not Jesus') to justify her position and it doesn't stand up to reasonable analysis.

Jesus, the SON of GOD, whom if you believe you know definitely was full of the Holy Spirit said this

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE, THAT IS, GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


Yet we know that Jesus was GOOD and without sin.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Col 2: 8-10

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21,

Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1 Peter 2:22,

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15,

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 1 John 3:5,

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 9:28,
 Quoting: Cassie :-)


WOW Cassie I think you just proved my point. You continually quote men in your reply. So if you don't mind I'll continue by quoting Jesus.

So is Jesus spoiling me with philosophy and vain deceipt here?

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be? Was Jesus lying?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If no man has seen GOD at any time then how can Jesus be GOD? Jesus says no-one has seen GOD himself in John 5:37, when Jesus sitting in front of people.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He assends to GOD. They are separate! How can you deny this obvious separation?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?

Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this! Jesus is pleading here!

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Both have life in themselves... Why did Jesus choose to explain the singular Jesus/GOD so obliquely?

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet? Why would Jesus mislead us like this? Unless of course God and Jesus are two separete individuals and then he isn't misleading but trinitarians are misunderstanding!

Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.

Was Jesus praying to himself? And isn't heaven supposedly within? Why did he pray OUR FATHER when he was standing right in front of them.

Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus pleads to know why GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Question: So we can be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here! Are you suggesting Jesus sent himself and then lied to us?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third entity). GOD doesn't visit you - the Holy Ghost does!

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter ONLY won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity?

This makes no sense at all...

It's hard to debate people who continually prefer to listen to men like Paul and Peter but fail to listen to Jesus' precise explantions. Jesus explains his oneness with GOD and our ability to be at one with GOD. It doen't make us all the same being!

Sorry if Jesus upsets the dogma placed in our heads by men...

I can spend hours proving this simple point with Jesus' words... but I just haven't got the time.
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You want to teach even though you do not understand what you are saying or the matters about which you make your confident assertions.
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
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UM Actually no she didn't. Cassie has used men's words (not Jesus') to justify her position and it doesn't stand up to reasonable analysis.

Jesus, the SON of GOD, whom if you believe you know definitely was full of the Holy Spirit said this

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE, THAT IS, GOD.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


Yet we know that Jesus was GOOD and without sin.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Col 2: 8-10

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21,

Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1 Peter 2:22,

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15,

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 1 John 3:5,

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 9:28,
 Quoting: Cassie :-)


WOW Cassie I think you just proved my point. You continually quote men in your reply. So if you don't mind I'll continue by quoting Jesus.

So is Jesus spoiling me with philosophy and vain deceipt here?

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be? Was Jesus lying?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If no man has seen GOD at any time then how can Jesus be GOD? Jesus says no-one has seen GOD himself in John 5:37, when Jesus sitting in front of people.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He assends to GOD. They are separate! How can you deny this obvious separation?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?

Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this! Jesus is pleading here!

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Both have life in themselves... Why did Jesus choose to explain the singular Jesus/GOD so obliquely?

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet? Why would Jesus mislead us like this? Unless of course God and Jesus are two separete individuals and then he isn't misleading but trinitarians are misunderstanding!

Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.

Was Jesus praying to himself? And isn't heaven supposedly within? Why did he pray OUR FATHER when he was standing right in front of them.

Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus pleads to know why GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Question: So we can be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here! Are you suggesting Jesus sent himself and then lied to us?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third entity). GOD doesn't visit you - the Holy Ghost does!

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter ONLY won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity?

This makes no sense at all...

It's hard to debate people who continually prefer to listen to men like Paul and Peter but fail to listen to Jesus' precise explantions. Jesus explains his oneness with GOD and our ability to be at one with GOD. It doen't make us all the same being!

Sorry if Jesus upsets the dogma placed in our heads by men...

I can spend hours proving this simple point with Jesus' words... but I just haven't got the time.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


You want to teach even though you do not understand what you are saying or the matters about which you make your confident assertions.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Ah KoFFee I only quote Jesus' words.... So really what you have just said Jesus shouldn't teach because he isn't qualified.

I suspect you need to go back to Christianity 101 and study the history of the Bible, the differences in Jesus' and Paul's teachings and the contradictions and you might have a chance.

Is your belief in man's misrepresentations and dogma so ingrained that you cannot sort the wheat from the chaff?

Sounds like it.

Here's a big hint - If it starts with "Jesus said" - then it is from Jesus!

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Yet we know that Jesus was GOOD and without sin.

Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Col 2: 8-10

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21,

Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1 Peter 2:22,

For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Hebrews 4:15,

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 1 John 3:5,

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Hebrews 9:28,
 Quoting: Cassie :-)


WOW Cassie I think you just proved my point. You continually quote men in your reply. So if you don't mind I'll continue by quoting Jesus.

So is Jesus spoiling me with philosophy and vain deceipt here?

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be? Was Jesus lying?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If no man has seen GOD at any time then how can Jesus be GOD? Jesus says no-one has seen GOD himself in John 5:37, when Jesus sitting in front of people.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He assends to GOD. They are separate! How can you deny this obvious separation?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?

Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this! Jesus is pleading here!

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Both have life in themselves... Why did Jesus choose to explain the singular Jesus/GOD so obliquely?

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet? Why would Jesus mislead us like this? Unless of course God and Jesus are two separete individuals and then he isn't misleading but trinitarians are misunderstanding!

Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.

Was Jesus praying to himself? And isn't heaven supposedly within? Why did he pray OUR FATHER when he was standing right in front of them.

Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus pleads to know why GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Question: So we can be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here! Are you suggesting Jesus sent himself and then lied to us?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third entity). GOD doesn't visit you - the Holy Ghost does!

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter ONLY won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity?

This makes no sense at all...

It's hard to debate people who continually prefer to listen to men like Paul and Peter but fail to listen to Jesus' precise explantions. Jesus explains his oneness with GOD and our ability to be at one with GOD. It doen't make us all the same being!

Sorry if Jesus upsets the dogma placed in our heads by men...

I can spend hours proving this simple point with Jesus' words... but I just haven't got the time.
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You want to teach even though you do not understand what you are saying or the matters about which you make your confident assertions.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Ah KoFFee I only quote Jesus' words.... So really what you have just said Jesus shouldn't teach because he isn't qualified.

I suspect you need to go back to Christianity 101 and study the history of the Bible, the differences in Jesus' and Paul's teachings and the contradictions and you might have a chance.

Is your belief in man's misrepresentations and dogma so ingrained that you cannot sort the wheat from the chaff?

Sounds like it.

Here's a big hint - If it starts with "Jesus said" - then it is from Jesus!

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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
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"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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WOW Cassie I think you just proved my point. You continually quote men in your reply. So if you don't mind I'll continue by quoting Jesus.

So is Jesus spoiling me with philosophy and vain deceipt here?

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be? Was Jesus lying?

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

If no man has seen GOD at any time then how can Jesus be GOD? Jesus says no-one has seen GOD himself in John 5:37, when Jesus sitting in front of people.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

He assends to GOD. They are separate! How can you deny this obvious separation?

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?

Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”

Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this! Jesus is pleading here!

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Both have life in themselves... Why did Jesus choose to explain the singular Jesus/GOD so obliquely?

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.


The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet? Why would Jesus mislead us like this? Unless of course God and Jesus are two separete individuals and then he isn't misleading but trinitarians are misunderstanding!

Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.

Was Jesus praying to himself? And isn't heaven supposedly within? Why did he pray OUR FATHER when he was standing right in front of them.

Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Jesus pleads to know why GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?

John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.

And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

Question: So we can be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here! Are you suggesting Jesus sent himself and then lied to us?

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third entity). GOD doesn't visit you - the Holy Ghost does!

Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter ONLY won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity?

This makes no sense at all...

It's hard to debate people who continually prefer to listen to men like Paul and Peter but fail to listen to Jesus' precise explantions. Jesus explains his oneness with GOD and our ability to be at one with GOD. It doen't make us all the same being!

Sorry if Jesus upsets the dogma placed in our heads by men...

I can spend hours proving this simple point with Jesus' words... but I just haven't got the time.
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You want to teach even though you do not understand what you are saying or the matters about which you make your confident assertions.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Ah KoFFee I only quote Jesus' words.... So really what you have just said Jesus shouldn't teach because he isn't qualified.

I suspect you need to go back to Christianity 101 and study the history of the Bible, the differences in Jesus' and Paul's teachings and the contradictions and you might have a chance.

Is your belief in man's misrepresentations and dogma so ingrained that you cannot sort the wheat from the chaff?

Sounds like it.

Here's a big hint - If it starts with "Jesus said" - then it is from Jesus!

1rof1
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Just curious, who is Jesus to you?
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Instead of being curious about what I think... focus on what Jesus said. That is much more important than my opinion.

Here's another hint... If you believe that Moses' murderous laws are from GOD then I'm afraid you are wrong again.

GOD does not condone stoning, oppression, violence, slavery or any of the other atrocities committed in his name by Moses or any other man.

The fact that most Christians accept that GOD approved of Moses doing these things shows how very little respect people have for GOD's immense love and lack of human frailties.

So - Do you believe that your GOD gave Moses the right to do the horrific things he did and to create the horrific laws he did?
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You want to teach even though you do not understand what you are saying or the matters about which you make your confident assertions.
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Ah KoFFee I only quote Jesus' words.... So really what you have just said Jesus shouldn't teach because he isn't qualified.

I suspect you need to go back to Christianity 101 and study the history of the Bible, the differences in Jesus' and Paul's teachings and the contradictions and you might have a chance.

Is your belief in man's misrepresentations and dogma so ingrained that you cannot sort the wheat from the chaff?

Sounds like it.

Here's a big hint - If it starts with "Jesus said" - then it is from Jesus!

1rof1
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Just curious, who is Jesus to you?
 Quoting: KoFFee_


Instead of being curious about what I think... focus on what Jesus said. That is much more important than my opinion.

Here's another hint... If you believe that Moses' murderous laws are from GOD then I'm afraid you are wrong again.

GOD does not condone stoning, oppression, violence, slavery or any of the other atrocities committed in his name by Moses or any other man.

The fact that most Christians accept that GOD approved of Moses doing these things shows how very little respect people have for GOD's immense love and lack of human frailties.

So - Do you believe that your GOD gave Moses the right to do the horrific things he did and to create the horrific laws he did?
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I knew you wouldn't answer the question, no need to say anything else.
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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I knew you wouldn't answer the question, no need to say anything else.
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I quote Jesus on everything not man... why would you ask such a silly question?

Cool now you can sit in judgement of me... But the odds are you will be wrong again.

Except Jesus said "NOT to judge others"

Jesus said "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Oh KoFFee you think you know so much and yet you seem to understand so little!

There are none so blind than those that do not see.

But you didn't answer my question.

Do you believe that your GOD gave Moses the right to do the horrific things he did and to create the horrific laws he did?
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I knew you wouldn't answer the question, no need to say anything else.
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I quote Jesus on everything not man... why would you ask such a silly question?

Cool now you can sit in judgement of me... But the odds are you will be wrong again.

Except Jesus said "NOT to judge others"

Jesus said "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Oh KoFFee you think you know so much and yet you seem to understand so little!

There are none so blind than those that do not see.

But you didn't answer my question.

Do you believe that your GOD gave Moses the right to do the horrific things he did and to create the horrific laws he did?
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It is not a silly question, and why don't you answer it?

I do not claim or will ever claim to know so much. I only speak what comes to my mind after I pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. Even the words in the post above, came from God's word 1Timothy 1:6,7

I don't care how people view me, I only care how God sees me in light of His Son. I asked Jesus Christ into my heart many years ago, I was born again and it was a supernatural experience. No one will ever convince me that Jesus does not exist, no one will ever convince me that Jesus Christ is not God. His Holy Spirit resides in me and in all true followers of Him.

Those that have been washed in His Blood, have been born again--born of the Spirit.

You can throw that 'judgement' verse my way, but this is righteous judgement, because you are teaching deception.

Anyone who believes that John, Paul or any other disciple who teaches in God's Word is not to be believed, is not teaching truth in my book.

Sorry, that's how I see it.

May the Lord open your ears and eyes so that you may one day know the TRUTH.
:cchg:

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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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I knew you wouldn't answer the question, no need to say anything else.
 Quoting: KoFFee_


I quote Jesus on everything not man... why would you ask such a silly question?

Cool now you can sit in judgement of me... But the odds are you will be wrong again.

Except Jesus said "NOT to judge others"

Jesus said "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Oh KoFFee you think you know so much and yet you seem to understand so little!

There are none so blind than those that do not see.

But you didn't answer my question.

Do you believe that your GOD gave Moses the right to do the horrific things he did and to create the horrific laws he did?
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It is not a silly question, and why don't you answer it?

I do not claim or will ever claim to know so much. I only speak what comes to my mind after I pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. Even the words in the post above, came from God's word.

I don't care how people view me, I only care how God sees me in light of His Son. I asked Jesus Christ into my heart many years ago, I was born again and it was a supernatural experience. No one will ever convince that Jesus does not exist, no one will ever convince me that Jesus Christ is not God. His Holy Spirit resides in me and in all true followers of Him.

Those that have been washed in His Blood, have been born again--born of the Spirit.

You can throw that 'judgement' verse my way, but this is righteous judgement, because you are teaching deception.

Anyone who believes that John, Paul or any other disciple who teaches in God's Word is not to be believed, is not teaching truth in my book.

Sorry, that's how I see it.

May the Lord open your ears and eyes so that you may one day know the TRUTH.
:cchg:
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I created humanity, and I placed you into the womb of the universe, with a powerful tool, yet today, you refused to realize the universe within yourselves. I will not come to claim you, out of my hands you were fashioned to weave this univers with your minds...seeking me within you and knowing the truth. I have never been out of you or apart from you.
I am neither in the stars, the plantes, the dust of the universe or statues nor all your symbols; I am hidden within you, look and see, listen and know...I am not faith-I am!

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I knew you wouldn't answer the question, no need to say anything else.
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I quote Jesus on everything not man... why would you ask such a silly question?

Cool now you can sit in judgement of me... But the odds are you will be wrong again.

Except Jesus said "NOT to judge others"

Jesus said "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Oh KoFFee you think you know so much and yet you seem to understand so little!

There are none so blind than those that do not see.

But you didn't answer my question.

Do you believe that your GOD gave Moses the right to do the horrific things he did and to create the horrific laws he did?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


It is not a silly question, and why don't you answer it?

I do not claim or will ever claim to know so much. I only speak what comes to my mind after I pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. Even the words in the post above, came from God's word 1Timothy 1:6,7

I don't care how people view me, I only care how God sees me in light of His Son. I asked Jesus Christ into my heart many years ago, I was born again and it was a supernatural experience. No one will ever convince me that Jesus does not exist, no one will ever convince me that Jesus Christ is not God. His Holy Spirit resides in me and in all true followers of Him.

Those that have been washed in His Blood, have been born again--born of the Spirit.

You can throw that 'judgement' verse my way, but this is righteous judgement, because you are teaching deception.

Anyone who believes that John, Paul or any other disciple who teaches in God's Word is not to be believed, is not teaching truth in my book.

Sorry, that's how I see it.

May the Lord open your ears and eyes so that you may one day know the TRUTH.
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Please don't ask for the Lord to open my eyes...Try removing the log from your own eye first!

You break a spiritual law by doing so... especially as you do not know the Truth.

You answer using a man's words (Paul) and so selectively that you miss how they are obviously wrong. You need to read more of the passages you post.

1 Timothy 1:5-10 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Jesus law was made for all... Moses' stoning, oppression & slavery laws etc. were the unGodly laws.

This is the Pharisee in Paul teaching. Paul is talking of Moses' laws and combining them wrongly with some of Jesus' teachings.

So who really are the righteous? The people who follow Jesus' teachings or those who follow a mans?

Now because you selectively choose Paul, let me show you where you break Paul's rules.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


Now of course I totally disagree with Paul's teaching here... It is rubbish!

It is factually wrong... Adam was tempted and Adam failed.

PLUS this blames women for all sin... How stupid is that?

BUT because you think he is speaking on behalf of the Lord then you should follow it.

Afterall you stated Even the words in the post above, came from God's word 1Timothy 1:6-7

and Paul does say

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

So through your very comments you MUST believe that SILENCE of WOMEN is a commandment of the Lord. 1Corinthians 14:37 states this categorically!

Paul is 100% wrong here and consequently you are!

Go back to what Jesus taught!

Another falsity you state is

You can throw that 'judgement' verse my way, but this is righteous judgement, because you are teaching deception.

If me quoting Jesus precise words directly from the Bible and getting people to think about what Jesus said, is deception, then are you really Christian?

Are you really saying Jesus is teaching deception?

You wouldn't know "righteous judgement" if it bit you on the backside, but on judgement Jesus Said

Matthew 7:1-5 [link to bibleresources.bible.com]

Where does Jesus allow you to have the audacity to think you judge righteously? That is a far bigger log than you realise!

Finally I do not presume to teach... I just quote what Jesus' allegedly said in the Bible ... Jesus' word seems to worry you!

Sorry KoFFee you have made a bit of a fool of yourself here... Please think before you type!

Back to the Gospels (the 1st four books of the new testament)... You know the ones that Jesus - the one you say is GOD, left for you when he was on Earth!

Happy studying!
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Oh but on the topic "We are not GODS", if the Bible is inerrant please explain

Psalm 82

God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.


Wow now that throws a spanner into the discussion!
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I knew you wouldn't answer the question, no need to say anything else.
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I quote Jesus on everything not man... why would you ask such a silly question?

Cool now you can sit in judgement of me... But the odds are you will be wrong again.

Except Jesus said "NOT to judge others"

Jesus said "Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone"

Oh KoFFee you think you know so much and yet you seem to understand so little!

There are none so blind than those that do not see.

But you didn't answer my question.

Do you believe that your GOD gave Moses the right to do the horrific things he did and to create the horrific laws he did?
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It is not a silly question, and why don't you answer it?

I do not claim or will ever claim to know so much. I only speak what comes to my mind after I pray and ask the Holy Spirit to reveal it to me. Even the words in the post above, came from God's word 1Timothy 1:6,7

I don't care how people view me, I only care how God sees me in light of His Son. I asked Jesus Christ into my heart many years ago, I was born again and it was a supernatural experience. No one will ever convince me that Jesus does not exist, no one will ever convince me that Jesus Christ is not God. His Holy Spirit resides in me and in all true followers of Him.

Those that have been washed in His Blood, have been born again--born of the Spirit.

You can throw that 'judgement' verse my way, but this is righteous judgement, because you are teaching deception.

Anyone who believes that John, Paul or any other disciple who teaches in God's Word is not to be believed, is not teaching truth in my book.

Sorry, that's how I see it.

May the Lord open your ears and eyes so that you may one day know the TRUTH.
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 Quoting: KoFFee_


Please don't ask for the Lord to open my eyes...Try removing the log from your own eye first!

You break a spiritual law by doing so... especially as you do not know the Truth.

You answer using a man's words (Paul) and so selectively that you miss how they are obviously wrong. You need to read more of the passages you post.

1 Timothy 1:5-10 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;


Jesus law was made for all... Moses' stoning, oppression & slavery laws etc. were the unGodly laws.

This is the Pharisee in Paul teaching. Paul is talking of Moses' laws and combining them wrongly with some of Jesus' teachings.

So who really are the righteous? The people who follow Jesus' teachings or those who follow a mans?

Now because you selectively choose Paul, let me show you where you break Paul's rules.

1 Timothy 2:11-15 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.


Now of course I totally disagree with Paul's teaching here... It is rubbish!

It is factually wrong... Adam was tempted and Adam failed.

PLUS this blames women for all sin... How stupid is that?

BUT because you think he is speaking on behalf of the Lord then you should follow it.

Afterall you stated Even the words in the post above, came from God's word 1Timothy 1:6-7

and Paul does say

1 Corinthians 14:37 “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.

So through your very comments you MUST believe that SILENCE of WOMEN is a commandment of the Lord. 1Corinthians 14:37 states this categorically!

Paul is 100% wrong here and consequently you are!

Go back to what Jesus taught!

Another falsity you state is

You can throw that 'judgement' verse my way, but this is righteous judgement, because you are teaching deception.

If me quoting Jesus precise words directly from the Bible and getting people to think about what Jesus said, is deception, then are you really Christian?

Are you really saying Jesus is teaching deception?

You wouldn't know "righteous judgement" if it bit you on the backside, but on judgement Jesus Said

Matthew 7:1-5 [link to bibleresources.bible.com]

Where does Jesus allow you to have the audacity to think you judge righteously? That is a far bigger log than you realise!

Finally I do not presume to teach... I just quote what Jesus' allegedly said in the Bible ... Jesus' word seems to worry you!

Sorry KoFFee you have made a bit of a fool of yourself here... Please think before you type!

Back to the Gospels (the 1st four books of the new testament)... You know the ones that Jesus - the one you say is GOD, left for you when he was on Earth!

Happy studying!
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Jesus teaches truth--but the way you present it and explain it, is deceiving others. You pick and choose the verses from God's Word that only suits you and what you believe, and your understanding of it is not true, so you are presenting God's Word in a false way.

You either believe what the entire Word of God says, or you don't believe any of it.

You can belittle me all you want, it still doesn't change the fact that how you present God's Word is deceptive and a lie.

Paul was a great apostle of our Lord, Jesus Christ. His hand was used to pen the Word of God

The Bible is the product of the Holy Spirit, man was the tool used to write it. ALL SCRIPTURE WAS INSPIRED BY GOD, not just some, not just the Words of Christ Jesus, but ALL. God is the author of Scripture and Scripture is the product of His creative breath. It was supernaturally written. When you tell others that any part of the Bible is not to be believed, then you are telling a lie.

When Paul wrote to the Thessalonians, he made it clear that what they received and accepted was more than the mere words of men. It was the Word of God.

"For this reason we also thank God without ceasing, because when you received the word of God which you heard from us, you welcomed it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which also effectively works in you who believe" 1Thessalonians 2:13

In 1Corinthians 14:37, Paul states, "If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord." He was telling the Corinthians that what he said had come to him from God by revelation.

In Galatians 1:11, 12, Paul claims that the gospel he preached was not received from men. "It came through a revelation from Jesus Christ".

When Jesus said "I and the Father are one", why did the jewish people respond the way they did?

Why did the pick up stones to try and put Him to death?
They understood that Jesus was claiming to be God in an unqualified sense--He was affirming His deity.

"The jewish people answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.” (John 10:33) The penalty for blasphemy is death by stoning.

So, why did the jewish people respond by trying to stone Him?
And you still didn't answer my question regarding Jesus.

Did Jesus die and rise again?
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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On many occasions in the New Testament, Jesus accepted worship.

He accepted worship from Thomas--"Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” John 20:28

A leper--And behold, a leper came to him and knelt before him, saying, “Lord, if you will, you can make me clean.” Matthew 8:2

A blind man--"Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him." John 9:38

The disciples--"And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted." Matthew 28:9

In Revelation, Jesus receives the same worship given to the Father-- "the twenty-four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne and worship Him who lives forever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying: “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” Revelation 4:10,11

There are more accounts that I have not listed here.

Scripture says only God may be worshipped--"for you shall worship no other god, for the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God"--Exodus 34:14

The fact that He willingly received worship on various occasions says a lot about His true identity, don't you think?
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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This is taken from Raptor Jesus today:

To most Christians the Bible is like a Software license. They don't read it, they just scroll to the Bottom and click "I agree"
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This is taken from Raptor Jesus today:

To most Christians the Bible is like a Software license. They don't read it, they just scroll to the Bottom and click "I agree"
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Well I'd have to agree with that...

KoFFee you need to re-read your posts.

How did someone so young become so unknowing so quickly?

1rof1

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This is taken from Raptor Jesus today:

To most Christians the Bible is like a Software license. They don't read it, they just scroll to the Bottom and click "I agree"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5903633


Well I'd have to agree with that...

KoFFee you need to re-read your posts.

How did someone so young become so unknowing so quickly?

1rof1

I'll correct you when I get a free moment.
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You are trying to make me look foolish and brainless in front of others, as seen in a couple of your replies as follows:

"Sorry KoFFee you have made a bit of a fool of yourself here... Please think before you type!"
"I suspect you need to go back to Christianity 101 and study the history of the Bible"

However, it takes a lot to ruffle my feathers and trying to intimidate me will not work. Just because someone doesn't quite have enough knowledge to defend what he believes, it doesn't necessarily mean he is wrong.

Some people are linguistically gifted, and know it, and lord it above others, which is a sad thing.
I just care about the truth being told, and I pray for God's Holy Spirit to guide me and teach me.

The Lord continues to teach me and bring me into full knowledge of Him.

As I said before, I believe Jesus is 100% God and 100% man. It's a hard to grasp this with our finite minds but it's the truth and a true follower of Christ is called to defend the Gospel.

When others are preaching a different gospel, than it needs to be pointed out.

Tit 1:9 --holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.

2Pe 2:1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves.

2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness;

Eph 4:14 As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming;

Eph 4:15 but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ,

Why is Jesus being God such a huge problem for you?

All I am doing is calling you out on deceptive teaching. You still don't answer my questions.

I have posted several scriptures and questions on here that you have ignored. I guess once a person's mind is made up about something, it's hard to change it in spite of all the evidence put in front of them

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet, saying, 'I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last,'...Then I turned to see the voice that spoke with me. And having turned I saw seven golden lampstands, and in the midst of the seven lampstands One like the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the feet and girded about the chest with a golden band.

His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire; His feet were like fine brass, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters; He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword, and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength. And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead.

But He laid His right hand on me, saying to me, 'Do not be afraid; I am the First and the Last. I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." (Revelation 1:10-18).

"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: 'I am the First and I am the Last; besides Me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6)

"'Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel, My called:
I am He, I am the First, I am also the Last." (Isaiah 48:12).

Oh, and by the way, Jesus did not state "don't call me good ONLY GOD is good"(your words in reply to Cassie's post above)

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

He asked the question "Why do you call me good?"--that is completely different than what you stated He said--"don't call me good".

Another point, is why there is no discussion about the Holy Spirit. Is He God?

I no longer will discuss this subject with you. You have your belief and I have mine. You will keep throwing scripture at me along with intimidating remarks and I have no interest in debating them, in fact, I can't, as you believe there are errors in the Bible.

With that said, God Bless you and may He lead you to the truth.

peace

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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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Interesting that Jesus Christ says something completely different:

“The people are God. One could also say “a part of God”. A personified God with long beard or sitting on a cloud does not exist.” (Channeling; 97 05 13)
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To most Christians the Bible is like a Software license. They don't read it, they just scroll to the Bottom and click "I agree"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5903633


Well I'd have to agree with that...

KoFFee you need to re-read your posts.

How did someone so young become so unknowing so quickly?

1rof1

I'll correct you when I get a free moment.
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You are trying to make me look foolish and brainless in front of others, as seen in a couple of your replies as follows:

 Quoting: KoFFee_


Koffee, nobody could ever make you look foolish and brainless. They might try, but they will never succeed. They only make themselves look bad.

Those of us that know you know that you're an amazing sister, full of love and compassion, and a smart cookie on top of it.

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This is taken from Raptor Jesus today:

To most Christians the Bible is like a Software license. They don't read it, they just scroll to the Bottom and click "I agree"
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5903633


Well I'd have to agree with that...

KoFFee you need to re-read your posts.

How did someone so young become so unknowing so quickly?

1rof1

I'll correct you when I get a free moment.
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You are trying to make me look foolish and brainless in front of others, as seen in a couple of your replies as follows:

 Quoting: KoFFee_


Koffee, nobody could ever make you look foolish and brainless. They might try, but they will never succeed. They only make themselves look bad.

Those of us that know you know that you're an amazing sister, full of love and compassion, and a smart cookie on top of it.

grouphug
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I'll second that!
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KoFFee whilst I wasn't trying to make you look foolish, on re-reading my comments I see how you could feel that so I apologise.

I was trying to get you to revisit your position on this topic.

Because I haven't got much time at the moment I sometimes rattle peoples cages, and my frustration with people sometimes comes out as sarcastic. Jesus suffered the same frustration at times.

So let me cut to the chase on The Jesus is GOD issue. I only quote Jesus because he afterall is the one who we are talking about.

Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Jesus states why call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD. The question needed to be asked is "Why would he say such a thing? Well John 5 explains it!

John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus was in front of many people when he was saying this. On this evidence from Jesus' own mouth he is shouting it to people!

Read the whole of John 5 and digest it slowly but especially several verses I have listed below. How can people deny what they are saying?

[link to bibleresources.bible.com]

These passages prove God and Jesus as separate entities.

John 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.

And this one because again the jewish people (men) did not understand the difference between God and the Son of God.

John 5:18 Therefore the jewish people sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus didn't make himself equal to GOD, they wrongfully decided that. So Jesus answers in detail how his works are from GOD but an absolute separation shows again!

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

GOD doesn't judge Jesus does...they have to be separate beings.

Then this verse shows who the him is in John 3:16

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

It is very clear that the him is GOD who sent Jesus ... NOT Jesus!

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

So after savouring & studying every word of John 5 you can't help but understand why Jesus says this.

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

So here is Jesus standing in front of his accusers and stating categorically and unoquivically that

"YE have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

So noone has seen "THE FATHER" and yet "JESUS" whom many men (including some Bible figures) say is "GOD" who as you know is "THE FATHER WHO SENT JESUS" when Jesus speaks of "HIM", was speaking to them in "FULL VIEW".

It is so frustrating when people can't see this obvious separation and try to force the man made construct of the trinity down people's throats.

Just because a man in the Bible says it, doesn't make it so... as John 5 absolutely proves! There was only one perfect man and that was Jesus, so you have to expect errors from the men.

If you choose to believe Thomas and Paul on this then aren't you choosing to not believe all that Jesus says in John 5?

And if your argument that "you have to accept every word of the Bible as true" then you can't be believing Jesus in John 5 and you have to accept that Moses' laws of stoning, murder, slavery etc. are from GOD!

I'm sorry but the GOD I know does not condone such evil behaviour, and certainly wouldn't approve of it!

And I trust Jesus' words more than any man's words even the men in the BIBLE.

I hope you will re-visit all the times I have explained this with an open mind.

The trinity is not supported by Jesus' express teachings! The examples against the trinity directly from Jesus are overwhelming.

He referred to himself as the Son of Man, he referred to GOD as the father or the father in heaven. Man has made up the rest!

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