... Quoting: Cassie :-)
Yet we know that Jesus was GOOD and without sin.
Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: Col 2: 8-10
For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
2 Corinthians 5:21,
Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth:
1 Peter 2:22,
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 1 John 3:5,
So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
WOW Cassie I think you just proved my point. You continually quote men in your reply. So if you don't mind I'll continue by quoting Jesus.So is Jesus spoiling me with philosophy and vain deceipt here?Mark 10:18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
Jesus states don't call me good ONLY GOD is good!
This is an outright separation of Jesus and GOD isn't it? Jesus said it!John 5:37 Jesus says "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."
Noone has seen GOD and yet Jesus/GOD was sitting in front of them... How can this be? Was Jesus lying?John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
If no man has seen GOD at any time then how can Jesus be GOD? Jesus says no-one has seen GOD himself in John 5:37, when Jesus sitting in front of people.John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
He assends to GOD. They are separate! How can you deny this obvious separation?John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
So the father is greater than Jesus so how can Jesus be GOD? If they were the same wouldn't they be equal?
Matthew 26:39 “And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.”
Was he praying to himself? If Jesus was GOD he wouldn't have said this! Jesus is pleading here!John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
Both have life in themselves... Why did Jesus choose to explain the singular Jesus/GOD so obliquely?John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Without GOD Jesus can do nothing, is another statement of separation. It is GOD's will Jesus seeks not his own. GOD sent Jesus to Earth!John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
The son sees the father do things and then emulates GOD? Is the penny dropping yet? Why would Jesus mislead us like this? Unless of course God and Jesus are two separete individuals and then he isn't misleading but trinitarians are misunderstanding!Matthew 6:9 Our Father, which art in Heaven hallowed be thy name.
Was Jesus praying to himself? And isn't heaven supposedly within? Why did he pray OUR FATHER when he was standing right in front of them.Matthew 27:46 My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?
Jesus pleads to know why GOD had foresaken him. If Jesus is GOD this makes no sense at all. Is he pleading with himself asking why he has foresaken himself? So by ignoring this are you saying GOD and Jesus are illogical?John 17:21-23 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
This defines how Jesus defines "being as one", if we can be one with Jesus and GOD what is he saying here? I can't be Jesus or GOD so when he uses the words as one he is talking in a spiritual sense, being on the same page and understanding, NOT being one entity.And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
Question: So we can be GOD also? Jesus further explains oneness here! Are you suggesting Jesus sent himself and then lied to us?John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
GOD sent his SON (an entity) and the Holy Ghost (another entity) in Jesus' name (a third entity). GOD doesn't visit you - the Holy Ghost does!Luke 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.
So we can speak against JESUS but can't speak against the Holy Ghost as the latter ONLY won't be forgiven? Aren't they one in the same under the trinity?
This makes no sense at all...
It's hard to debate people who continually prefer to listen to men like Paul and Peter but fail to listen to Jesus' precise explantions. Jesus explains his oneness with GOD and our ability to be at one with GOD. It doen't make us all the same being!
Sorry if Jesus upsets the dogma placed in our heads by men...
I can spend hours proving this simple point with Jesus' words... but I just haven't got the time.