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USA : Civil War : 2013 .... thoughts?

 
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I'm wondering what a modern day civil war in the US would look like?

How would it happen? What would happen? How would it effect the average citizen? Would we all be taking up guns and aiming them at family and friends with differing opinions?

Would the righty's kill the lefty's?

Instead of using guns would hackers attack the govn't websites, leak info and possibly hack other tactical targets such has power plants, water systems, rail.. etc.

Would some giant corporation step in and form it's own govn't?

Would there be martial law, and if so.. do you think some our own military soldiers would defect and defend whatever side they choose?

Would there be an Eeastern US and Western US or possibly even more... the Southern states, the NorthEastern States..etc.




I know it's pretty bleak but just something I've been thinking about for a while and I'm wondering what others are thinking?

Is a civil war even possible in the United States this day and age?


Thoughts? Opinions?

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It would be horrible, don't expect the Russians or the Chinese to intervene either!
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Re: USA : Civil War : 2013 .... thoughts?
Interesting question and I've often wondered how that would play out. My guess is urban vs rural. Looks like we will find out soon.
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Civil War? How about complete societal collapse?

Imagine a country without welfare, no value in currency, incapable of growing or manufacturing anything.

No television, no running water, no electricity.

No gas in your car, no communication from facebook, twitter, the mail services; nothing.

Imagine your life without a fire department, a police department, a transportation department, etc.

This isn't a Civil War we will be fighting, it will be a Survival War.

How's your aim? Got any food stores? Have anything to barter? Do you have seeds and know how to garden? Do you have books to educate your fellow man with? Would you be willing to share?
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I had a snippet about that last spring. Here is the relevant excerpt from my thread:
Thread: Lucid Dream: Lake 'Tekwanago' (Page 2)

Also -- V for Victory is wrong, I meant V for Vendetta but I won't correctthe original post since I want to maintain its integrity.

Not much new to report other than I found out that there is a canyon in Texas called Texawa Canyon. Its not far from Breckenridge, TX and it looks like it is mostly private land. I may go check it out ... drive out that way just for a day trip to see if it resonates with me at all.

Also, I have had a few short snippets / symbolic dreams... details below:

The first one, had about a week ago, was where highschoolers are walking outside, heading to various classes -- I can see some sort of Battle raging on in the background/distance, but in the foreground, all of the students look normal. However the textbooks they are carrying all have the red 'V' on them -- like in the movie V for Victory. The other strange thing is that in this snippet, I could only see the students walking along from the neck down (like in my tekwanago dream). I didn't see their heads -- almost as if I were watching on a TV or camera screen -- and the film was shot from the knees to the shoulders.

The other snippet had to do with Revelation 11:11. It was just a symbolic / number dream and I knew it had to do with Revelation 11:11... and somehow was connected with my 9 through 11 vision from awhile back. To be fair though, I had been reading the Book of Revelation the night before since I had watched Youtube User 9Nania's latest vids about Virgo & the births of the planets, and so I wonder if that had something to do with it? But the passage was not related to the videos at all... 11:11 says: But after the three and a half days a breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and terror struck those who saw them.

Not sure what it means -- though the first video was clear enough -- the kids were walking to their classes outdoors, so it would have to be taking place in a temperate climate where the schools are constructed without hallways for the most part -- such as California or Arizona. They were wearing contemporary clothing and the weather was fairly warm -- springlike I suppose, and they were wearing jeans, not shorts and tank tops. The Battle raging in the background was quite a ways off, and the people in the foreground were unaffected by it, so I think that means that life goes one, while ... civil war starts elsewhere. It did seem doomy & reddish in the background, like the deserts of New Mexico or parts of Arizona. Most of the battle that I could looked like Tanks shooting at each other, and there was a standard (flag) flying on the field, though it was tinged yellow/orange with a black device in the middle... it was not the don't tread on me/Gadsden flag, but may be a new variant of it.


**edited to add video of 'V' for Victory.... Civil War in the USA
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**edited to add link to 9through11 snippet from another site (Dec 30, 2010):
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And Green House Logo from same timeframe:
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It would be horrible, don't expect the Russians or the Chinese to intervene either!
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It WOULD be horrible. :-(
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Civil War? How about complete societal collapse?

Imagine a country without welfare, no value in currency, incapable of growing or manufacturing anything.

No television, no running water, no electricity.

No gas in your car, no communication from facebook, twitter, the mail services; nothing.

Imagine your life without a fire department, a police department, a transportation department, etc.

This isn't a Civil War we will be fighting, it will be a Survival War.

How's your aim? Got any food stores? Have anything to barter? Do you have seeds and know how to garden? Do you have books to educate your fellow man with? Would you be willing to share?
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I think the scenario was a civil war, not a societal collapse; however, I think your scenario may be more viable considering the current state of things.
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rofl, civil war in the modern usa. ok, sure. the big problem with the idea is all our "cannon fodder" for either side would have skip home to play farmville on FB, and/or watch "american idol", "dancing with the stars", or similar pursuits. now, if you had said virtual civil war in say "HALO" scenarios on their x-box, then you have a possibility
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rofl, civil war in the modern usa. ok, sure. the big problem with the idea is all our "cannon fodder" for either side would have skip home to play farmville on FB, and/or watch "american idol", "dancing with the stars", or similar pursuits. now, if you had said virtual civil war in say "HALO" scenarios on their x-box, then you have a possibility
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LOL ... good point.. that's why I'm wondering if such a thing would even be possible in today's world..
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Civil War? How about complete societal collapse?

Imagine a country without welfare, no value in currency, incapable of growing or manufacturing anything.

No television, no running water, no electricity.

No gas in your car, no communication from facebook, twitter, the mail services; nothing.

Imagine your life without a fire department, a police department, a transportation department, etc.

This isn't a Civil War we will be fighting, it will be a Survival War.

How's your aim? Got any food stores? Have anything to barter? Do you have seeds and know how to garden? Do you have books to educate your fellow man with? Would you be willing to share?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1517165


I think the scenario was a civil war, not a societal collapse; however, I think your scenario may be more viable considering the current state of things.
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A civil war in the US would most likely cause a societal collapse, but once the country was divided, or whatever happened, how long would it be until we got things back up and running... 4-8 years? maybe longer?
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Re: USA : Civil War : 2013 .... thoughts?
it would be horrible. won't happen though.

:-)

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I don´t like war and changed urban to go live rural.
I think there will be no racewar.
Militians will come and waste the thugs out though(in Europe)
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it would be horrible. won't happen though.

:-)

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United we Stand, Divided we Fall, right?

So I guess it's pretty much impossible today?


What if a group of states declared their secession from the United States and joined together? I can see something like this possibly happening with the states becoming more and more unique from one another with laws and the people living within them.
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if obama is re-elected, we will have a civil war..it won't be "South vs "North" like the first one, Certain states will secede, those dominated by conservative/libertarian values on one side, those libtard controlled (the coasts) on another but there will be internal strife within many states, it will be highly racial and ideological based and it will be neighbor vs neighbor in "diverse" areas.
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if obama is re-elected, we will have a civil war..it won't be "South vs "North" like the first one, Certain states will secede, those dominated by conservative/libertarian values on one side, those libtard controlled (the coasts) on another but there will be internal strife within many states, it will be highly racial and ideological based and it will be neighbor vs neighbor in "diverse" areas.
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anyone interested in this topic should read "Civil War II" by Thomas Chittum. a quote from the book "you will know the war is close when a minority and his leftist minions get control of the Whitehouse" this was written in 1994...
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Wouldn't last long. a civil war is a war between two movements. The only 2 movements with enough people in them are the Left Paradigm and the Right Paradigm.

The city folks will evacuate when welfare finally dries up. They'll be slaughtered as they try to steel from the rural folks...and there is your "civil war".

BTW - 99% of Lefty's pee their pants when guns are fired.
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Rethuglicans and Democrats are mixed in all over geographically, unlike the Civil War, where there was a pretty sharp division between North and South. Also, there is no overweening issue such as slavery infuriating people.
Ain't happening anytime soon.
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if obama is re-elected, we will have a civil war..it won't be "South vs "North" like the first one, Certain states will secede, those dominated by conservative/libertarian values on one side, those libtard controlled (the coasts) on another but there will be internal strife within many states, it will be highly racial and ideological based and it will be neighbor vs neighbor in "diverse" areas.
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I don't think Obama would be the triger / catalyst.. Needs to be something bigger than that.. IMO
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March to the Sea!
fuck the south.
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Rethuglicans and Democrats are mixed in all over geographically, unlike the Civil War, where there was a pretty sharp division between North and South. Also, there is no overweening issue such as slavery infuriating people.
Ain't happening anytime soon.
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The division is now ideological. Not based on a singular issue or policy. It's between 3 and 5 opposing view points and 3 of those are mutually exclusive to each other.

1. The Socialist/Fascist (National Socialist, Communist, Progressive Democrats, Neo-Cons) Supreme authority of the State in the lives of its citizens, little to no deviation from the centrally planned guidelines. Maximum control over society, with limited allowance for individual choice in social or economic matters.

2. The Loyalists (Left). Support the semi-omnipotent power of a central authority to secure the basic needs of citizens at any and all cost.

3. The Moderates (Centrist). Support limited power of the State, with the sway of power held bending towards authority.

4. The Loyalists (Right) Support the semi-omnipotent power of a central authority to secure the property and wealth of its citizens, whatever the cost.

5. The Libertarians (AnCap, Sovereign and others) Support individual Liberty and Freedom, with little or no authority given to the State. Little to no 'safety net' or regulation of personal decisions. The State is relegated to matters of international policy with a bent towards non-interventionism and isolationism.


Now most people will fall somewhere between these stereotypes. That's a given. The problem is, right now you've got more and more people that are swinging to the extremes. Myself included.

When it comes to a Central Government this is the breakdown:
#1 and #5 are mutually exclusive. #3 can cohabitate with #2 and #4 but will not survive in #1 and #5's environments. Nor will #2 survive #4 or vice versa. And God help anyone from #2, #3 or #4 get caught under #1 or #5 against their will.

I'm well aware of the false left/right paradigm but I used that as an example in the degrees above. It's easier to read than a web would have been.

Since we are less and less willing to compromise our ideals, especially when the perceived destruction of our respective ways of life is omnipresent, the chance for an escalation of violence to take place is conceivable, if not down right inevitable.

Take me for example. I used to fall somewhere between #1 and #2. Now I'm staunchly in the #5 category. I don't see a way to exist living under the rule of #1, #2, #3 or #4. Why don't I? 'Cause no matter what you've got some politician stealing your labor while pointing a rifle at your face. See there, that's called tyranny where I'm from. So how in the Hell am I supposed to make a living? If every where I turn I'm losing my labor to people who continuously seek to take more and more of it, and losing the freedom of choice in all things that don't conform to what the State thinks is best for me, what makes it acceptable to exist under a system that has proven itself to be antagonistic towards my very existence?

That's just my view point. The opposite holds true for many as well, and that's fine. We'll see whose side has more...heart, if you will. And then, you've got the huge middle section that thinks that all of us on the Fringe are fucking nutz and should be locked away.

America was a wonderful experiment. It was a truly great nation, but the ravages of corruption and apathy have weakened her to the point of collapse. The divisions among it's citizens will not be assuaged by the ballot box, for no matter who wins, the rest get screwed out of something. Couple that (the political) with the escalation in racial tension and you have yourselves a 21st century Yugoslavia. Without the national memory of widespread violence, many will fail to see the warning signs until it's too late.

At this point, Balkanization is inevitable. There's too much damage done to the connective tissue, and not enough will to heal whats broken.

I would like nothing more than to believe that an answer to our predicament will appear. However, I'm not naive enough to believe that pretty words and appeasement will do anything more than postpone the coming conflagration.

War is coming, like it or not. Just remember: Even in War there is Honor. Let's try not to remake the Hutus V. Tutsis here, ok?

(and the disclaimer: I, the author, neither endorse, nor consent to the use of violence to affect political change. Nor would I knowingly agree to, nor participate, in said violence for any other reason except that which is defined as 'Legal and Lawful Defense of Self' pursuant to the pertaining Federal, State and Local laws, codes, and statutes. This post was meant to be purely educational in respect to the difficulties our country faces, and should in no way be construed as subversive, terroristic, seditious, threatening, treasonous, possessing of ill temper, anti-social, or inflammatory rhetoric.)
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Rethuglicans and Democrats are mixed in all over geographically, unlike the Civil War, where there was a pretty sharp division between North and South. Also, there is no overweening issue such as slavery infuriating people.
Ain't happening anytime soon.
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(and the disclaimer: I, the author, neither endorse, nor consent to the use of violence to affect political change. Nor would I knowingly agree to, nor participate, in said violence for any other reason except that which is defined as 'Legal and Lawful Defense of Self' pursuant to the pertaining Federal, State and Local laws, codes, and statutes. This post was meant to be purely educational in respect to the difficulties our country faces, and should in no way be construed as subversive, terroristic, seditious, threatening, treasonous, possessing of ill temper, anti-social, or inflammatory rhetoric.)
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Well said, and can I say.. I 2nd that disclaimer.. ;)
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2015 is when the socialist will go full-tilt boogie. It'll fall on racial lines and then the UN will intervene.
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Well said, and can I say.. I 2nd that disclaimer.. ;)
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Thanks OP. ^_^
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Won't last too long......after we burn the MASONS out and off all their minions in black dresses and stuffed suits
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We have one every 4 years, its call voting for the president.


Its a war of beliefs.

But the problem is the couch party wins most of the time, with most votes not counted.
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We have one every 4 years, its call voting for the president.


Its a war of beliefs.

But the problem is the couch party wins most of the time, with most votes not counted.
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Hmm..
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It'll be the establishment vs the people, so it wont be protracted. Once the US Military takes the side of the people and not the PWB, it'll be all over. One week - tops!
Hell, martial law will be better to live under than what we have now. At least you'll know the leaders have the country's best interests in mind and their own interests.
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Not their own interests
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Civil War? How about complete societal collapse?

Imagine a country without welfare, no value in currency, incapable of growing or manufacturing anything.

No television, no running water, no electricity.

No gas in your car, no communication from facebook, twitter, the mail services; nothing.

Imagine your life without a fire department, a police department, a transportation department, etc.

This isn't a Civil War we will be fighting, it will be a Survival War.

How's your aim? Got any food stores? Have anything to barter? Do you have seeds and know how to garden? Do you have books to educate your fellow man with? Would you be willing to share?
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Daaaammmnnnnn........
Been thinking about it alot have you?lmao
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Civil War? How about complete societal collapse?

Imagine a country without welfare, no value in currency, incapable of growing or manufacturing anything.

No television, no running water, no electricity.

No gas in your car, no communication from facebook, twitter, the mail services; nothing.

Imagine your life without a fire department, a police department, a transportation department, etc.

This isn't a Civil War we will be fighting, it will be a Survival War.

How's your aim? Got any food stores? Have anything to barter? Do you have seeds and know how to garden? Do you have books to educate your fellow man with? Would you be willing to share?
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Daaaammmnnnnn........
Been thinking about it alot have you?lmao
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I wouldn't be laughing my ass off, dude...)))

The guy hit the worst case scenario succinctly.