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USA : Civil War : 2013 .... thoughts?

 
AmericanJedi

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I've been hearing this one since 1996, I just don't see this being the year. I could be wrong. And we are overdue for civil unrest in the USA.

That said, I just don't see it. If anything, our insular, comfortable lifestyles have made us oblivious to anyone or anything that doesn't involve us absolutely directly.
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I follow a lot of financial analyst types. Some well known and some not so well known. They seem to be saying that Europe goes first then the USA. If the gov is putting 30,000 drones over the usa, they must be worried about it....
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I'm wondering what a modern day civil war in the US would look like?

How would it happen? What would happen? How would it effect the average citizen? Would we all be taking up guns and aiming them at family and friends with differing opinions?

Would the righty's kill the lefty's?

Instead of using guns would hackers attack the govn't websites, leak info and possibly hack other tactical targets such has power plants, water systems, rail.. etc.

Would some giant corporation step in and form it's own govn't?

Would there be martial law, and if so.. do you think some our own military soldiers would defect and defend whatever side they choose?

Would there be an Eeastern US and Western US or possibly even more... the Southern states, the NorthEastern States..etc.




I know it's pretty bleak but just something I've been thinking about for a while and I'm wondering what others are thinking?

Is a civil war even possible in the United States this day and age?


Thoughts? Opinions?
 Quoting: Artlicious



You're off by a year or two, but you're not wrong

It's inevitable as the federal government runs out of money to to enforce its mandates and the different regional areas break apart to pursue their increasingly different paths

Just like Russia after the breakup of the USSR, just as we are soon to see in Europe

No matter how noble the goal, it is very difficult to coble together a vast geographic area under a single economic union. Actually, the United States was one of the most successful experiments in that regard

However, the problem is that all large centralized governments act as a centrifuge

Large central governments continue to grow until they increasingly suck in assets and monies of the member regions and return very little in value.

Instead of using that money in a productive manner there soon emerges a super class of bureaucrats and embedded interests who find a way to hold onto that money for "administrative" costs. It doesn't matter which party is involved, the evolution is inevitable unless the citizenry is disciplined and armed with razor blades to slash away yearly at corruptions, unncessary entitlements and waste.

Eventually administrative costs make the system top heavy, and the system collapses, no matter how noble some of the goals may have been

This is why I moved to where I live now. States will experience very different paths dependingon their income, resources and export prospects

In the USSR, the most successful and prosperous breakway provinces were the energy rich regions.

Same here.

Think about it and plan accordingly

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I think this is a world war, our first Civil World War.

We are expression that there are two different experiences that are acceptable to the masses.

One is a world of conquest. The other a world of consent.
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I'll have to watch this later tonight when I get home from work, Youtube is blocked here. :(
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it would be horrible. won't happen though.

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Not while the welfare checks keep flowing and the TV stays on.
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I WOULD LOOOOVE TO DO AN EXPERIMENT...!

Let's stick all the lefties on 1 side of the country. The right on the other side.
Now....
Draw a line right down the middle. And watch....

In less then 100 years the Left will end up borrowing money from the right to avoid going under. Socialism never works.
The righties will have low taxes and businesses will take off. I mean go ape shit. Cranking out factories, mom and pop shops...you name it.
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The 99% vs. the 1%. Most of the military would follow orders and the 99% would be punished severely. Survivors would collaborate mostly. It would all be extremely ugly.
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I can see some active riots happening and even Mass Impeachments.

What is being taken is Freedom and once its gone there is nothing left to take.

Our next war is going to be Gang/Warlord wars
and People v Govt Wars.

In any event Lots of buildings gonna burn and cities will become the wild west.

I think the Country Folk will be just fine
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I think the Country Folk will be just fine
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yeah... until all the people living in the cities start to migrate to more rural areas.
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class war anyone who doesnt look hungry desperate and homeless is a target'
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I WOULD LOOOOVE TO DO AN EXPERIMENT...!

Let's stick all the lefties on 1 side of the country. The right on the other side.
Now....
Draw a line right down the middle. And watch....

In less then 100 years the Left will end up borrowing money from the right to avoid going under. Socialism never works.
The righties will have low taxes and businesses will take off. I mean go ape shit. Cranking out factories, mom and pop shops...you name it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4227306


Oh, yes, free markets where anything goes right? Snake oil salesmen, con men, ponzi schemes, companies selling paint with lead again, bio-hazardous waste dumped in your yard, no more trees, child labor, schooling only for those able to pay, mom and pop paying protection money to "business men"...yeah, you name it. Wow, kind of sounds like China, maybe you should move there.
Artlicious (OP)

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I WOULD LOOOOVE TO DO AN EXPERIMENT...!

Let's stick all the lefties on 1 side of the country. The right on the other side.
Now....
Draw a line right down the middle. And watch....

In less then 100 years the Left will end up borrowing money from the right to avoid going under. Socialism never works.
The righties will have low taxes and businesses will take off. I mean go ape shit. Cranking out factories, mom and pop shops...you name it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4227306


Oh, yes, free markets where anything goes right? Snake oil salesmen, con men, ponzi schemes, companies selling paint with lead again, bio-hazardous waste dumped in your yard, no more trees, child labor, schooling only for those able to pay, mom and pop paying protection money to "business men"...yeah, you name it. Wow, kind of sounds like China, maybe you should move there.
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That's along the lines of what I was thinking.
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reeeally busy that day.
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You know the terrorist you know the 9/11 truthers you know people like that need to be killed executed. You know the anti war crowd and people that are for a free republic yea those are the people that will be on the defensive

Yea you know those are the people that need to be locked up in fema camps and shipped over seas to get there heads chopped off.

Yea those people are the ones that will be the cause of any kind of civil war. ***Rollz Eyez***
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Wait for gas to hit $6 then we'll see the gloves off. It'll be good vs evil. Thieves vs people following law. But as lawlessness insues then we'll see war occur within our nation. Just imagine food prices rising and fuel but people on welfare don't see their checks rise then what do you see happening?
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Wait for gas to hit $6 then we'll see the gloves off. It'll be good vs evil. Thieves vs people following law. But as lawlessness insues then we'll see war occur within our nation. Just imagine food prices rising and fuel but people on welfare don't see their checks rise then what do you see happening?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11280962


The same thing that's happening in Greece.
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I'm wondering what a modern day civil war in the US would look like?

How would it happen? What would happen? How would it effect the average citizen? Would we all be taking up guns and aiming them at family and friends with differing opinions?

Would the righty's kill the lefty's?

Instead of using guns would hackers attack the govn't websites, leak info and possibly hack other tactical targets such has power plants, water systems, rail.. etc.

Would some giant corporation step in and form it's own govn't?

Would there be martial law, and if so.. do you think some our own military soldiers would defect and defend whatever side they choose?

Would there be an Eeastern US and Western US or possibly even more... the Southern states, the NorthEastern States..etc.




I know it's pretty bleak but just something I've been thinking about for a while and I'm wondering what others are thinking?

Is a civil war even possible in the United States this day and age?


Thoughts? Opinions?
 Quoting: Artlicious


If this were to happen (and I personally do not believe it will - at least not just yet) it would devolve into Martial Law and UN intervention. Even then, they'd only really be able to police the cities.

We'd basically burn. Area militias would arise and the population would segregate along cultural lines.

This is only my personal opinion at the moment, of course.
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Maybe an EMP will render further nuke attacks useless along with all electric stuff
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They just approved the use of tens of thousands of drones. Civil war? Pretty sure they've nipped that in the bud.

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They just approved the use of tens of thousands of drones. Civil war? Pretty sure they've nipped that in the bud.


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even drones can be defeated.personally I sincerely hope there is not another civil war in america,and it wouldnt be civil anyway but decidely uncivil.If anything I see maybe a 2nd american revolution if anything.Lots of people getting sick of the politicians right and left these days.Gen martin dempsey saying there is no need for us to go into iran yet the politicians saying we gotta go to another war.The thing I feel most likely might happen is a military coup,but like I said thoose scenarios are doubtfull....


nothing to see here folks it is all just a dream,go back to sleep and be good little boys and girls........
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Fast and Furious, the U.N Small Arms Treaty,extra-constitutional legislation, lining the pockets of union members (at tax payer's expense) in exchange for unquestioning support, financing fraudulent green energy "projects" with taxpayer funds, seeking the U.N's blessing to go to war without consulting the U.S. congress, killing keystone - all are deliberate efforts by the
government to deprive Americans of their unalienable rights. This government has chosen to pass unjust laws, contrary to the consent of the governed, and in so doing it has become despotic. The actions of this administration have divided Americans along racial lines; the government and state media subject regular Americans to vicious ridicule for our patriotism, love of the flag, and our brother and sister countrymen. They seek to reduce the most productive among us to servitude, taking wealth from those who earned it and giving it to dependent and slothful takers in exchange for their continued support in the voting booth. Our founders like Jefferson, Washington, and Franklin are objects of ridicule and hatred. The new American heros are Bill Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, Derrick Bell, and Tony Resko. Barack Hussein Obama's political agenda is one of vindictive and malignant racial nationalism. He is a tyrant and his actions constitute treason. Brothers and sisters, if we as Americans truely wish to hold on to our country, we have a duty to throw off this tyrant and to fight this evil regime until it is defeated.

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