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<<Advancing Bird Flu-H5N1...Now following the MERS approaching PANDEMIC: it is now here>>>

 
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Well this next post has horrifying implications for us all.

Where these people get their information from is beyond comprehension.

Its no wonder that Indonesia has such an appauling report card when it comes to the way it manages such a deadly threat as H5N1 avian influenza is known throughout the world to be.

I really cant describle the total disbelief at what this article asserts.

Id compare this news article to listening to a radio and hearing that the city next to you had just been nuked, but if you change the station and dont hear any news then that same city is quite ok.

Unbelievable.

Clearly the Indonesians desperately need some very serious education programs in relation to everyhing to do with these viruses.

Otherwise we really can look forward to the stupidity of the Indonesians as being responsible for killing off half the worlds population at some point in the future.

There is absolutely no excuse for such a poor comprehension to this subject at this time.

Since commencing this thread from time to time we bump into some pretty strange things, but this one has to take the cake.

On a scale of 1 to 10 for outright reckless and momentous uneducated stupidity this would earn a genuine 15 point score.

Analysis: Poultry industry safe despite AI outbreak
Aditya Eka, Thu, March 21 2013, 11:52 AM
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The emergence of a new type of avian influenza (AI) in Central Java at the end of 2012 has spread throughout Java recently. Until today, more than 300,000 dead-duck cases have been reported by farms all over Java. However, the AI does not affect chickens since it is a different AI strain from the one infecting chickens.

Additionally, with tight bio-security and vaccined chickens, we believe AI, known informally as avian flu or bird flu, is a managed risk within the poultry sector, particularly for the larger and more technologically advanced companies. Nevertheless, it is possible that consumption may come down during an outbreak given public fear of contagion effect from AI
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Since commencing this thread from time to time we bump into some pretty strange things, but this one has to take the cake.

On a scale of 1 to 10 for outright reckless and momentous uneducated stupidity this would earn a genuine 15 point score.

Well spoken, another reason to try not to alienate countries, it is vital to keep the lines of communication open, and yes education ,education and education is the key .
This should be ringing alarm bells in the scientific community ,and emergency measures should be put in place, but i stress this needs to be done in a way that is not taken as condescending or or pointing the finger of blame,
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If we only had a crystal ball, and Im certain that those that make the decisions on what to include do it feeling a very heavy burdon of responsibility, one I hasten to add that I wouldnt enjoy having.



Like yourself I would probably enjoy the challenge in the scientific community but i don't think i would cope well emotionally if i was responsible for life death decisions on the ground.
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Geneva, 23 Tues - Saudi Arabia has informed the World Health Organization Health Organization (WHO) another case of infection with the new coronavirus detected in September, bringing the total number of infected to 16, nine of them dead.
In a statement, WHO said the new case is a citizen of Saudi Arabia who was in contact with one of the infected patients and already accounted for.This new case has been discharged from the hospital, and to date there is insufficient information on the source and mode of transmission, WHO specifies.WHO calls on Mem..

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Birmingham grandad is UK's second Coronavirus victim
23 Mar 2013 09:00

Abid Hussain, of Winson Green, lost battle against Sars-like bug in hospital on Tuesday
Birmingham grandad Abid Hussain has become the UK’s second victim to the new Sars-like bug Coronavirus.

The tragedy comes as Mr Hussain’s wife and daughter were in Pakistan after burying his son Khalid, 38, who had also fallen victim to the killer disease.

The dad-of-two, in his 60s, of Winson Green, was being treated at Wythenshawe Hospital, in Manchester, and seemed to be improving.

But he took a turn for the worse and lost his battle on Tuesday.

His funeral was held at a mosque in Small Heath, on Wednesday and his body has now been taken to Pakistan for burial.

Close friend Abdul..

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Geneva, 23 Tues - Saudi Arabia has informed the World Health Organization Health Organization (WHO) another case of infection with the new coronavirus detected in September, bringing the total number of infected to 16, nine of them dead.
In a statement, WHO said the new case is a citizen of Saudi Arabia who was in contact with one of the infected patients and already accounted for.This new case has been discharged from the hospital, and to date there is insufficient information on the source and mode of transmission, WHO specifies.WHO calls on Mem..

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you just beat me to it trey fish just about to post,
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They were a day late, yea? And they tell us nothing about the guy and are doing all they can to deny h2h!
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They were a day late, yea? And they tell us nothing about the guy and are doing all they can to deny h2h!
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lets look at what you have and see if its possible to work back
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It is extremely important to keep doors of communication open , no one country is to blame for this it is a virus that has always been there whats new is out ability to see it and the fact that it is evolving at such speed ,
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We need people scientist from all walks of life interacting communicating and listening to beat this ,and we can it is no one countries fault this virus has always been there , whats new is we can now identify it and the speed at which it is evolving , no one country will fight this alone , we need information small details that could be the key to opening up another strand of understanding .
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They are hiding the news for up to 2 weeks before releasing it.
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Another Confirmed Riyadh Beta2c Coronavirus Cluster
Recombinomics Commentary 14:00
March 23, 2013


The patient is a contact of the previous case reported in the Disease Outbreak News on 12 March 2012. This person suffered a mild illness, and has recovered and been discharged from hospital. Currently, there is insufficient information available to allow a conclusive assessment of the mode and source of transmission.

The above comments, describing the second Riyadh nCoV cluster, are from the latest WHO cornavirus update. This case forms the fourth confirmed cluster, which accounts for 10 of the 16 confirmed cases, as well as all 11 of the probable nCoV cases. However, as was seen for the two clusters from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, as well as the Jordan cluster (SARS-like linked to health workers in ICU), WHO has withheld disease onset dates, age and gender, as well as relationships for the confirmed and probable cases linked to the index cases...
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a little more information here
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a little more information here
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time line needed anyone
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Growing H5N1 Transmission Chain in Indonesia Raises Concerns

Recombinomics Commentary
May 22, 2006

The growing H5N1 bird flu transmission in Medan, Indonesia has raised transmission and transparency concerns. The cluster has now grown to eight, and seven members of the cluster have died. H5N1 has been confirmed in all except the index case and the disease onset dates indicate there have been three generations of human-to-human (H2H2H) or possibly four generations (H2H2H2H).

The index case developed symptoms on April 27. There was a family barbeque on April 29 and other family members began showing symptoms in early May. This gap between the disease onset date of the index case and additional family members indicates human-to-human transmission (H2H). Seven family members developed symptoms, and six were confirmed to be H5N1 positive. However, the last member to develop symptoms died on May 13 (the index case died on May 4 followed by deaths on May 9, 10, 12, 13, 14). That family member was the nephew of the index case and may have been infected by other family members, which would represent H2H2H.

Today his father died and has been H5N1 confirmed, suggesting the transmission chain has grown to H2H2H2H, which would represent the longest H5N1 transmission chain to date.

The cluster was described in the WHO update of May 18. The update described the index case and seven family members who had symptoms, including the uncle who is still alive and the nephew who had tested negative. Although the disease onset date fro the index case was given, the update withheld the disease onset dates for the family members.

Moreover, the update failed to mention the father of the nephew who died on May 13. The uncle had symptoms, had been given Tamiflu, and had left the hospital. He refused further treatment and died. However, this travel into the community prior to his death raises concerns about additional transmissions. The WHO update indicate that there was no evidence of spread beyond the immediate family, but did not reveal the release of the uncle and potential spread. The status of additional family members with early symptoms remains unclear.

The spread of H5N1 across three or four generations of infections is cause for concern. Sequences of H5N1 from the patients has been said to contain no mutations, but there is no indications that the sequences will be released. Sequences from only one Indonesian patient has been released. The sequence was deposited on August 1, 2005, but was withheld from the public until March 26, 2006. It has a novel cleavage site, which is shared by most of the sequestered human sequences from Indonesia. At least one sequence has a wild type cleavage site, but it has not been released. The sequences in this cluster would significantly increase the number of H5N1 human sequences from Indonesia, and should be done as soon as accuracy of the sequences has been determined. The other H5N1 sequences at the private respiratory should be released immediately.

The withholding of disease onset dates and the status of the family member who died today reduces credibility and dictates release of the sequestered sequences.
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Growing H5N1 Transmission Chain in Indonesia Raises Concerns

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I know really stupid I apologise just didn't see the date hf
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..The undersecretary said that there was no cause for alarm about the infection as the ministry had already taken all preventive measures to keep the disease under control.
The official also pointed out that people need not worry about the virus as it is believed that it cannot be transmitted from person to person. Still, he cautioned people to take measures to avoid the virus.
“We are also monitoring the virus in all parts of the Kingdom through the regional directorates of the MoH,” he said.
Al-Memish, who is also the chairman of the National Scientific Committee for Infectious Diseases, said that only a few people had been found positive in the world...
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Dumb and dangerous: America’s fast pass for Saudi Arabia

It’s business as usual in the post-9/11 world. The U.S. federal government is back to pandering to wealthy travellers from Saudi Arabia. For our massive homeland security apparatus, the comfort of Saudis is a higher priority than the safety of Americans.


And thanks to reckless, feckless bureaucrats who fear being labeled “racists,” “xenophobes” and “Islamophobes,” political correctness remains the handmaiden of terror.

According to a new report released this week by the Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT), President Obama’s Department of Homeland Security plans to bestow “trusted traveller” status to travellers from Saudi Arabia.

Yes, the home of 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers will soon enjoy the exclusive privilege of new entry shortcuts into the U.S.

Fox News points out: “Only an exclusive handful of countries enjoy inclusion in the Global Entry program: Canada, Mexico, South Korea and the Netherlands. According to the IPT, some officials are questioning why Saudi Arabia gets to reap the bene..

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Sri Lanka Hospitals to screen all ME arrivals for coronavirus
Hospitals to screen all ME arrivals for coronavirus
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The Health Ministry has alerted hospitals islandwide requesting doctors to screen all Middle East arrivals for coronavirus, also known as novel coronavirus (nCov) infection, now spreading in the Middle East.
"Although no cases of coronavirus have been reported yet, we are not taking any chances. We have asked doctors in all the hospitals to screen Middle East returnees as a precautionary method. If a person shows symptoms he or she will be transferred immediately to the Infectious Diseases Hospital (IDH)"..

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Dumb and dangerous: America’s fast pass for Saudi Arabia

It’s business as usual in the post-9/11 world. The U.S. federal government is back to pandering to wealthy travellers from Saudi Arabia. For our massive homeland security apparatus, the comfort of Saudis is a higher priority than the safety of Americans.


And thanks to reckless, feckless bureaucrats who fear being labeled “racists,” “xenophobes” and “Islamophobes,” political correctness remains the handmaiden of terror.

According to a new report released this week by the Investigative Project on Terrorism (IPT), President Obama’s Department of Homeland Security plans to bestow “trusted traveller” status to travellers from Saudi Arabia.

Yes, the home of 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers will soon enjoy the exclusive privilege of new entry shortcuts into the U.S.

Fox News points out: “Only an exclusive handful of countries enjoy inclusion in the Global Entry program: Canada, Mexico, South Korea and the Netherlands. According to the IPT, some officials are questioning why Saudi Arabia gets to reap the bene..

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Yes, the home of 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers will soon enjoy the exclusive privilege of new entry shortcuts into the U.S.

have these people ever been convicted in a court of law , if not why not , if so have they served a sentence ...
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Sri Lanka Hospitals to screen all ME arrivals for coronavirus
Hospitals to screen all ME arrivals for coronavirus
by Carol Aloysius
The Health Ministry has alerted hospitals islandwide requesting doctors to screen all Middle East arrivals for coronavirus, also known as novel coronavirus (nCov) infection, now spreading in the Middle East.
"Although no cases of coronavirus have been reported yet, we are not taking any chances. We have asked doctors in all the hospitals to screen Middle East returnees as a precautionary method. If a person shows symptoms he or she will be transferred immediately to the Infectious Diseases Hospital (IDH)"..

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Sri Lanka Hospitals to screen all ME arrivals for coronavirus
Hospitals to screen all ME arrivals for coronavirus
excellent news .... hopefully other will follow example
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this should be applicable al over the world, were necessary training should be given by overseas bodies in most up to date testing and health practices .
Ignorance is not a crime , what is a crime is knowing something can be done better and not doing it.
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not good .
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Thread: Virus goes missing at UTMB lab


just on time , now i understand why the us passes for rich saudis , might explain overcrowding in maternity department in jeddah hospital ,
looks like the bubble could be about to burst , take this with whats going on in cyprus sudden moves by us to repairs relations between turkey and israel and basher assad unverified assassination , and wow looks like things could be getting hot very soon
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On another thread today on GLP there is the story of a virus vial that has gone missing from a lab in a research facility in The University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston.

The link didnt provide much detail, but further searching has turned this more informative information up.

Why is it that "officials" always say that there is nothing to worry about?

Do they have some godly powers that provides them with information that the rest of us arent privey to?

Actually, there is every reason to be highly afraid of what has happened to this missing vial, hopefully it was destroyed, but what if it wasnt?

What if it was conveniently removed during the mentioned clean up and has been traded by some poor student to someone with bad intent.

That facility needs to have its funding pulled and it needs to be mothballed, management sacked and any further research moved to a more responsibly operated facility.

A good demonstration to all others of the consequences that await other irresponsible and lax attitudes at facilities and places that simply cannot ever be tolerated.

vial missing from Galveston lab
Posted: Mar 25, 2013 4:31 AM
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GALVESTON, Texas (AP) - Officials say a vial containing a virus that can cause hemorrhagic fever has gone missing from a research facility in Galveston, but say there's no reason to believe there's a threat to the public.


Break...

The medical branch says the virus, native to Venezuela, is transmitted only through contact with Venezuelan rats. It is not believed to be able to survive in U.S. rodents or to be transmitted person-to-person.

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This article again reflects the unexplained actions of the World Health Organization which all point to inhibiting and blocking the flow of valuable information on the novel coronavirus.

Why is the WHO doing this?

Its is abundantly clear that these actions only contribute to the risks of this emerging disease developing to a point where we wont be able to effectively control it.

Is this a deliberate attempt by the World Health Organization to actively promote a pandemic.

It certainly appears so!

The people who have made instituded these decisions can be considered to be murderers if this disease does go pandemic.

I wonder if they might be required to face charges of crimes against humanity.

It would seem to be appropriate.


Another Confirmed Riyadh Beta2c Coronavirus Cluster
Recombinomics Commentary 14:00
March 23, 2013


The patient is a contact of the previous case reported in the Disease Outbreak News on 12 March 2012. This person suffered a mild illness, and has recovered and been discharged from hospital. Currently, there is insufficient information available to allow a conclusive assessment of the mode and source of transmission.

The above comments, describing the second Riyadh nCoV cluster, are from the latest WHO cornavirus update. This case forms the fourth confirmed cluster, which accounts for 10 of the 16 confirmed cases, as well as all 11 of the probable nCoV cases. However, as was seen for the two clusters from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, as well as the Jordan cluster (SARS-like linked to health workers in ICU), WHO has withheld disease onset dates, age and gender, as well as relationships for the confirmed and probable cases linked to the index cases.


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This next commentary reveals that a British grandfather who was diagnosed with novel coronavirus and H1N1 swine flu has sadly succumed to the disease.

The commentary also includes further comment on other co-infections with this coronavirus, which might give some insight about intensity when acting as a co-infectant.

There does seem to be a slight commonality here.

UK Beta2c Coronavirus Index Case Dies
Recombinomics Commentary 16:15
March 23, 2013


Birmingham grandad Abid Hussain has become the UK’s second victim to the new Sars-like bug Coronavirus.

The dad-of-two, in his 60s, of Winson Green, was being treated at Wythenshawe Hospital, in Manchester, and seemed to be improving.

But he took a turn for the worse and lost his battle on Tuesday.

His funeral was held at a mosque in Small Heath, on Wednesday and his body has now been taken to Pakistan for burial.

The above comments described the death of the index case for UK coronavirus cluster. He had been hospitalized since January 30. He was initially diagnosed as an H1N1pdm09 case, since he was PCR positive, but further testing based on a failure to respond to treatment, identified an nCoV and sequencing of a clinical sample confirmed the close similarity with nCoV sequences from the first two confirmed cases. His sequence (England2) was greater than 99.9% identical with the consensus sequence. A similar level of identity was also seen for the other nCoV case currently hospitalized in the UK (he has been hospitalized since October).


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This next commentary could be very enlightening.

Here we might be getting a better glimpse at what is really happening in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia and in relation to the coronavirus that has been an issue in the general region.

It is entirely believable and understood that authorities might want to be down playing the extent of the coronavirus activity in the region.

There are many very sensitive implications that are quite obvious as to why these "initial" reactions to the presence of a new and potentially damaging disease emerging in this region might be desired to be downplayed.

Especially when they will have huge impacts on a very select and culturally sensitive and very significant group of people that this can and probably will impact on.

But in the greater picture, is it not better to put national, commercial and pride interests to the background in preference to protecting those souls who would make such a huge commitment and sacrifice to observe such an intimate and personal journey to observe their faith.

Surely it would be a far greater tradgedy to expose these people to such a high risk of becoming seriously ill or dying, rather than encouraging them to delay their pilgrimage of a year in order for this coronavirus to run its course, contained, and to naturally burn out leaving a far safer future not just for the pilgrims that might be affected first, but the certain ongoing affect to the rest of the world as well.

If these are to thought processes that have been at work so far, lets hope that the better and more common sense approach can and will be considered as a more responsible and logical approach to follow from this point forward.

And again, if these have been the concerns that have been responsible for the World Health Organizations actions in relation to how they have handeled this matter to date, then they surely should be condemned to the absolute greatest extent for being so pathetic in their leadership and inappropriate attitudes that would clearly favor selective favoritism rather than responsibly facing their real duties and working to find a suitable and satisfactioy solution to the problem, without compromising the safetey of any human alive.

If they are able to do that now after all this time, then couldnt they have done the same a year ago and saved many lives and prevented great suffering.

Most Mild Beta2c Coronavirus Cases In Jeddah KSA
Recombinomics Commentary 19:30
March 24, 2013


The Ministry of Health has announced more than once that SARS is under control, and it looked like a normal flu, and that most of these cases were in the city of Jeddah. explained Health Minister Dr. Abdullah Al-Rabiah, in an earlier statement that the virus "Corona" under control, pointing out that "disease transient and not cause for concern and a threat to the pilgrims. "

The above translation, indicating that nCoV is widespread in Saudi Arabia (KSA) , but concentrated in Jeddah, signals a significant spread of mild cases. The comments by the Ministry of Health in Saudi Arabia are much like the comments by China in early 2003 regarding SARS-CoV in Guangdong Province.

The KSA MoH are being widely reported in local media and Jordan has expressed concerns over spill over by 4000 expected pilgrims crossing from Saudi Arabia to Jordan. KSA is maintaining that these cases are mild and patients are recovering without treatment.


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