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Here is the video highlighted at AFT


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Thank you Rickster, I dont know how to embed vids, and I started a fresh thread to point people here, but it got pinned and now everyone has remained with the new one.

My mistake, I think as all the best info is here, thanks to people taking the time to contrubute here as you so dilligently do.

This is a seriously bad development and I would ask everyone to keep a careful watch for any news of which hospital in New York that is treating all those cases.

I also have reason to believe that the CDC is onsite in that New York hospital with this outbreak, as can be expected.

I am hopeful that they will be releasing all the news they have available very very soon as I am certain that they dont wish to taint their already questionable reputation from previous practices, with more scandal.
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Here is my last post on the "Pandemic" MERS-cov thread.

I am posting it here as it now names the New York hospital, being St Lukes, that is apparently treating the 25 cases of what we suspect to be MERS-cov that is appearing to be what could amount to the leading edge of a new world wide deadly pandemic.

Confirmation that St Lukes Hospital in New York is the treating hospital would be helpful.

Here is some posted commentary regarding this situation.

The description describes medical barrier nursing practices and as such gains considerable credibility.

If you are not medically trained you could not describe these protocols, leading to and lending much greater credibility to the credentials of the poster.

The hospital that has now been identified as St. Lukes hospital in New York, so if anyone else could add confirmation we might be able to move forward with the issues that are core to this development.

I want to say a few things to get more information out. My Brother in Law John made the first video while I was still typing to him more information. I work at St Lukes . We were told to keep Hush Hush and not tell anyone what is going on at our hospital.


The CDC Has been contacted not be me but by other nurses. I was off the day they arrived but know not much was done by them. We have contacted local news papers but they want more proof and since we do have the privacy acts in place we can't just hand over medical files.


Since I have spoke up to hospital staff and asked questions I was given as they said "Time off"


The flu that I am talking about The symptoms are as follows:

Fever over 103
Severe body aches and pains
Raspy Cough
Chills
Either a Fast or slow heart rate.
Lethargic

We administer antibiotics when we first thought it was a virus and then Tamiflu and it has not responded
When we treat the patients we are to wear gloves up to the elbows we were a yellow or blue gown and a full face mask. No one is allowed in or out of the room with out wearing the protective gear.

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We administer antibiotics when we first thought it was a virus and then Tamiflu and it has not responded

I am SURE this writer meant to say "when we first thought it BACTERIAL", if they didn't, this is questionable reporting. Antibiotics do NOTHING for a virus.
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We administer antibiotics when we first thought it was a virus and then Tamiflu and it has not responded

I am SURE this writer meant to say "when we first thought it BACTERIAL", if they didn't, this is questionable reporting. Antibiotics do NOTHING for a virus.
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Maybe, but these protocols are the best available.

And more than likely these protocols would have been instigated before test results had been returned as are normal medical practices.

Basically you act first and react second, its the most prudent treatment regime to adopt and will often significantly and positively impact on the severity of a disease, in the absence of more positive guiding information.

Basically you throw everything at what is in front of you and modify your treatment based on information as it comes to hand.

This would actually be considered very agressive medical management and is to be considered in a good light.
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In the latest event, 19 #nCoV patients, incl 9 deaths, have been reported from an outbreak primarily linked to a hospital in eastern KSA
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the 1918 spanish flu came in three phases , first one mild second phase deadly and the third tailed of is this what we are about to see repeated .....
I do not believe for one moment we are out of the woods just yet .
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#&#1601;&#1610;&#1585;&#1608;&#1587;_&#1603;&#1608;&#1585;&#1​608;&#1606;&#1575; I advise people of the eastern region ignoring children study these days so as not to be susceptible to infection.

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Does that read as people being urged to keep their children home from school to avoid infection?
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We administer antibiotics when we first thought it was a virus and then Tamiflu and it has not responded

I am SURE this writer meant to say "when we first thought it BACTERIAL", if they didn't, this is questionable reporting. Antibiotics do NOTHING for a virus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39226451


Maybe, but these protocols are the best available.

And more than likely these protocols would have been instigated before test results had been returned as are normal medical practices.

Basically you act first and react second, its the most prudent treatment regime to adopt and will often significantly and positively impact on the severity of a disease, in the absence of more positive guiding information.

Basically you throw everything at what is in front of you and modify your treatment based on information as it comes to hand.

This would actually be considered very agressive medical management and is to be considered in a good light.
 Quoting: arkay


That is NOT true. Caution is the word- no matter what. Lawsuits prevail. Some may be allergic to the antibiotics or other meds. Nothing is just rushed into, or "thrown" at a patient. If so? that Doc should be thrown out
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We administer antibiotics when we first thought it was a virus and then Tamiflu and it has not responded

I am SURE this writer meant to say "when we first thought it BACTERIAL", if they didn't, this is questionable reporting. Antibiotics do NOTHING for a virus.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39226451


Maybe, but these protocols are the best available.

And more than likely these protocols would have been instigated before test results had been returned as are normal medical practices.

Basically you act first and react second, its the most prudent treatment regime to adopt and will often significantly and positively impact on the severity of a disease, in the absence of more positive guiding information.

Basically you throw everything at what is in front of you and modify your treatment based on information as it comes to hand.

This would actually be considered very agressive medical management and is to be considered in a good light.
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That is NOT true. Caution is the word- no matter what. Lawsuits prevail. Some may be allergic to the antibiotics or other meds. Nothing is just rushed into, or "thrown" at a patient. If so? that Doc should be thrown out
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Well with due respect.

On some points you are correct, no doctor will act in a rash manner.

However, where there is a risk of anaphalactic reaction all doctors will first test by simply scratching your skin with the contents of the needle that he intends to inject.

Usually within a very short time period any likely reaction will become evident without presenting itself as life threatening if a full injection is administered.

A simple skin reaction signals the possible adverse reaction.

This same protocol will be very familiar with anyone who is or has been trying to discover their reactions to hayfever problems, it is simple and completely harmess and routine.

Even so, should all care still miss a reaction, once in a hospital enviornment anyone haveing even the most severe reaction to any treatment is perfectly placed to have complete life support provided for the relatively short time it takes for the body to process and expell its toxins, maybe around 8-12 hours, so with respect to your comments there are far more very elaborate medical interventions in common use these days.

However at all times all doctors and treating staff will exercise their best structures in treatment in order to gain the best outcomes.

This includes the best advisable treatment until lab studies can provide better directions...some well placed treatments are better than nothing, modification when specifics become known, improve actions already in place.

Doing nothng is what is the most dangerous of all.

With all due respect your comments do lack a complete understanding of what mdical practicioners are expected to "practice" if they in deed wish to avoid law suites, law suites that will be guided by other medical experts assessing whether the best protocols were in fact observed.

Some food for thought, perhaps

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my whole family is in medicine.
staff dont even administer an aspirin without full workup beforehand, including permissions etc. your assessment is incorrect. ask any doctor in US healthcare system.
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Does that read as people being urged to keep their children home from school to avoid infection?
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sorry about that yes people in eastern sections being advised to keep there children of school to avoid risk of infection from coronavirus
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my whole family is in medicine.
staff dont even administer an aspirin without full workup beforehand, including permissions etc. your assessment is incorrect. ask any doctor in US healthcare system.
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This really is tragic.

To think that the legal profession and the threat of being sued, over-rides what use to be the primary health care considerations, and relegates that to a secondary position, threatening life and limb is a very sad report card on society.

That was never the case when I practised here in Australia but I admit it has been some time.
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my whole family is in medicine.
staff dont even administer an aspirin without full workup beforehand, including permissions etc. your assessment is incorrect. ask any doctor in US healthcare system.
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This really is tragic.

To think that the legal profession and the threat of being sued, over-rides what use to be the primary health care considerations, and relegates that to a secondary position, threatening life and limb is a very sad report card on society.

That was never the case when I practised here in Australia but I admit it has been some time.
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With Obama Care it will be even more dysfunctional
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Flu not going away, even if media coverage is.

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Flu not going away, even if media coverage is.

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Trouble is, for most people no media coverage = no problem.
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Hi all.

First please allow me to welcome readers from another thread related to the MERS-cov that I have directed to this thread.

As the other thread is essentially finished now, but news of the MERS-cov continues, it will best be covered on this thread as has been the case for its first discovery.

There is already fresh news today that has hit the MSM which I have been noting for some time now, so Ill post this welcome posting and then move to this new news.

Again welcome to all.

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Here is an extract from an article that appeared here in Australia today concerning the risks that religous pilgrimage travellers to Saudi Arabia may confront.


Killer virus alert for travellersCathy O'Leary Medical Editor, The West Australian
Updated May 21, 2013, 2:30 am tweet5EmailPrint
Devotion: Hajj pilgrims at the Kaaba in the Grand Mosque in Mecca. Picture: AP

Australians travelling to the Middle East could need a health check when they return if infections caused by a SARS-like virus continue to rise, a WA disease expert warns.

Curtin University professor of health science Charles Watson said a new viral agent from the same family of viruses that caused an outbreak of severe acute respiratory syndrome 10 years ago had emerged in the Middle East a few months ago and recently spread to Europe.

By this week, 41 cases of the coronavirus, known as London1 novel CoV 2012, had been reported and half the patients had died.

Professor Watson, a public health physician and neuroscientist, said the virus was not highly infectious and had been limited to small clusters but if the number of cases kept rising it could pose a risk to other countries such as Australia.

Of particular concern would be the impact of the hajj, a pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia in mid-October which was expected to attract two million Muslims from around the world, including Australia.


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The following news is very concerning as it could very well be signalling H2H transmission of MERS-cov to passengers travelling on the same plane with other infected cases.

This could be the first signal of significant spreading via international travel around the globe.

Lets hope that this is an isolated case, if it is not then the pandemic we have been fearing could be one step closer to occuring.

This is a report of a fatal outcome in Tunisia and it is the very first news of it that has emerged.

This is unusual, as usually we are made aware of cases well before the poor sufferers succumb to their illnesses.

Hopefully, this information delay is not associated with the World Health Organizations deliberate concealing of information surrounding MERS-cov cases, as has been their modus operandi for some time now, all be it without explaination or justifiable reason.

Fatal MERS-CoV Confirmed In Tunisia ex-KSA/Qatar
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May 20, 2013


according to a statement from the Ministry of Health published in the day Monday, May 20, 2013. The victim of this virus is a 66 year old man who died at the hospital Fatuma Bourguiba in Monastir, after his trip to Saudi Arabia and Qatar.


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Although confirmed onward transmission in Tunisia is unclear, the export of MERS-CoV from Saudi Arabia or Qatar represents the third confirmed example of spread via commercial airline. The earlier SARS-like clusters in England and France involved onward transmission, raising concerns that MERS-CoV is far more common in the Middle East, Europe, and Africa than the reported confirmed cases.

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Some more information here on the fatal case from MERS-cov in Tunisia.

This appears to confirm that the individual concerned had travelled for religous reasons and that his sons appear to have also been infected.

If nothing else this should signal loud and clear warnings to intending pilgrims that it may be very prudent to delay pilgrimage travel plans for a period until the dangers that are now confirmed can be considered as past, which at this point in time are anything but past.

Far more likely they are in the early stages of becoming horrifyingly deadly to the people of the world as a pandemic unlike anything ever previously witnessed by mankind in the history of our world.

Ministry of health: the death of a Tunisian citizen returning from the Gulf with coronavirus Mon 20 May 2013

In a communique issued today, [20 May 2013], the Ministry of Health announced the death of a Tunisian citizen returning from the Gulf with coronavirus. This individual was 66 years old and had diabetes, he was treated in the Fatima Bourguiba Hospital in Monastir for acute respiratory insufficiency [SARI - severe acute respiratory illness] upon his return from a trip to holy sites [?in Saudi Arabia] and Qatar where one of his sons lives. Medical evaluation of his family revealed 2 of his sons had symptoms [consistent with an influenza-like illness].


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Here is a recent report from the WHO on the overall situation and history of the MERS-cov out of the Arabian Peninsular.

Unfortunately there remaind no word of any discovery of the source for this killer disease.

Novel coronavirus infection update: [18 May 2013]
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The Ministry of Health in Saudi Arabia has informed WHO of an additional laboratory-confirmed case of infection with the novel coronavirus (nCoV)[MERS-CoV].

The patient is an 81-year-old woman with multiple coexisting medical conditions. She became ill on [28 Apr 2013] and is currently in critical but stable condition.

The patient was identified as part of the ongoing investigation into an outbreak that began in a health care facility since the beginning of April 2013. She was in the same health care facility previously identified as the focus of this outbreak, from [8 to 28 Apr 2013]. To date, a total of 22 patients including 9 deaths, have been reported from this outbreak in the Eastern part of Saudi Arabia. The government is conducting ongoing investigation into the outbreak.

From September 2012 to date [18 May 2013], WHO has been informed of a global total of 41 laboratory-confirmed cases of infection with nCoV, including 20 deaths. Several countries in the Middle East have been affected, including Jordan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Cases have also been reported by 3 countries in Europe: France, Germany, and the United Kingdom. All of the European cases have had a direct or indirect connection to the Middle East, including 2 cases with recent travel history from the UAE. In France and the United Kingdom, there has been limited local transmission among close contacts who had not been to the Middle East but had been in contact with a traveler who recently returned from the Middle East.


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20 May 2013 MERS-CoV - Eastern Mediterranean (04): Saudi Arabia, WHO

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