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Bayou La Batre has one of highest percentage of Vietnamese for a small town (14-15%) bc of fishing industry...
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The random flu deaths in Alabama (mobile) there is a fishing town near mobile that has 15% of its population is Vietnamese...which their main trade is fishing... Local fishermen trade all the time...houston!!
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Sounds like Synthia.
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Here's a primer on it. The thread it came from has more. It was and still is being spread in the GOM to eat the oil spill.



Connecting any dots? Doesn't show up in genome databases because it's proprietary tech, perhaps. So when doctors do a search on the disease, it doesn't show up. So they blame corexit or bath salts, or the next things down the list. The process of elimination doesn't work properly, because the true cause is hidden from view. It's outside the average doctor's domain knowledge set of facts.


Problem/reaction/solution.


SAY HELLO TO SYNTHIA

In 2003, JCVI successfully synthesized a small virus that infects bacteria. By 2008, the JCVI team was able to synthesize a small bacterial genome. On May 6, 2010, JCVI revealed they had already created a self-replicating bacterial cell controlled by a chemically synthesized genome they named “synthetic Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0”. (7) This completely synthetic cell with its computer designed genome has absolutely no natural DNA. (1) The etc group from Canada named it Synthia and it contains added watermark chains to identify the genome as artificial. It also has antibiotic resistance indicators. (7) One can only speculate why this artificial bacterium has an inherent programmed capability to resist antibiotics.

This new life form has the ability to replicate itself and organically function in any cell into which it has been introduced. Its DNA is artificial and it’s this synthetic DNA that takes control of the cell and is credited with being the building block of life. This is the first self-replicating synthetic bacterial cell thanks to its computer generated DNA. All of the funding for this came from Synthetic Genomics Inc (1), the company BP has a sizable equity position and alliance with. BP is definitely way beyond petroleum just as their new slogan publicizes.

Why watermark this artificial genome? Doing so makes it identifiable as the unique and patented (privately owned) asset it is. What happens if a human becomes infected with a life-threatening variant bacterial species of Synthia? If you use Penicillin to fight the infection, it won’t do any good. Antibiotic resistance is part of its DNA sequence, so any use of antibiotics would be a waste of time.

What would happen if mankind is contaminated by this self-reproducing artificial life form by contact or by breathing it? Would we become subjective to the DNA of the synthetic cells flowing throughout our bodies? Would the Synthia cells combine with other bacterium within us to create a new deadly bacterium? Since the micro-organism is created and gets its programming from computers, would we become subject to artificial electro-magnetic frequencies recognized by these genomes? There are a lot of questions that need to yet be answered. What matters most is this: Will we find out those answers in time?

Keep connecting the dots. The picture is starting to take shape now.

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Italy reported its first case of the SARS-like coronavirus on Friday, a 45-year-old man who had been travelling in Jordan, the health ministry said.
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have there been people returning from ummra to Jordan ??
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From the extensive reading that I undertake with these marrers I have never come across any information that in any way might suggest this.

That could simply be a product of the Saudi authorities censoring virtually all information of MERS-cov as has been their consistant and stubborn practice.

Or it just hasnt been the case.

Last night when I posted those most recent posts, I went on to Pin my own thread because I felt that as many people as possible needed the opportunity to have easy access to all this information.

It was the right choice for me to make as can be seem by all the fresh commentary since then and also the number of views has jumped quite substantially.

Im not sure if I have enough Karma points to do that again, but it would a good thing for this thread to be kept front page so that as many as possible might at least get some early warning of what is approaching and be able to prepare with essential face masks, antiseptic hand cleaners etc, that I mentioned yesterday as well.

Theres a link that people can use if they would like, I suggest they do, no matter where you live in the world.

But going back to Jordan.

One thing that did jump out at me last night after finishing my posting was what could be a very significant fact.

Last year at about this time the very first cases of what we now know to be MERS-cov ORIGINALLY surfaced in a hospital in Jordan.

It killed several, including nurses and a doctor, and caused considerable damage then it simply appeared to burn itself out and went dormant till around September when it re-surfaced in a Qatari man and from there concentrated in Saudi Arabia.

I have to wonder what influence may have originally been at play in JORDAN at that partciular time of year that spawned those original cases.

Are there clues in there for us to investigate that might finally uncover the reservour or at the least provide some direction as to what the vector of this novel coronavirus might be.

The geographical seperation is significant enough to look for connections of all types that could link the different locations and potentially lead to some helpful revelation.

Unfortunately that is all I can contribute, but hopefully someone with better access to information and better trained then my meager grasp of pathology and bio-security goes.

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You should go over and do an in-depth report on your bird-flu-up-ur-ass stories and make sure you get IN there; and bring us all videos! You can DO this op. Be a hero! Spread that love for doom into something useful. rockonyoda
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Thanks for your callous input and a waste of our wonderful and positive space.

To answer you, I strongly suspect that if I put one foot into Saudi Arabia, Id have my head removed before the second foot hit their territory!

Reality isnt always pretty and the necessary criticism that I regularly and quite justifiably level at the Saudis would be dealt with both swiftly and with their more traditional methods.

No thanks, Ill stay where Im more or less safe, and where I can continue with my efforts to try to make some difference and perhaps save a life rather than lose mine, but thanks!

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There is more crutical commentary posted by Professor Niman on his website today, and linked below, please read all this world leading professional expert has to say on the rapid evolution of MERS-cov towards pandemic event status, and why this is happening.

Previously, I vigerously engaged in heavy handed criticism of the way the World Health Organization had been reporting on a monthly cycle.

From the comments below it appears that they have now abandoned that rediculous practice and reverted back to daily reporting.

This I most definately wish to endorse and congratulate them on, and would expect them to continue with.

Unfortunately, though they have the authority to execute greater influence and pressure on the Saudis and other offending states to provide universally agree data and information, until now they remain far too weak in asserting their authority in these matters and are inadvertantly still contributing to this rapidly degenerating MERS-cov situation.

If the curent MERS-cov situation can be compared with the SARS outbreak of several years ago, and many experts have made that comparison, what we are witnessing at present from all the responsible "players" is an almost perfect duplication of events and causitive inactions that allowed SARS to become the international menace it eventually became.

Causing around near 8oo deaths, but also creating very significant disturbances to the normal economies and functioning of the entire world.

We are almost there again, and for all the same reasons...WHY???

WE know what to do this time, but we still dont.

This is the absolute pinnacle of incompetence and sheer culpable stupidity.

Specifically at the deliberate hands of National and World Health Authorities, NOT natural influences.

MERS-CoV Cluster In Italy ex-Jordan
Recombinomics Commentary 17:30
June 1, 2013

The patient was in good condition and was being monitored in isolation, the ministry said in a statement. He was admitted to a hospital in Tuscany with a high fever, a cough and breathing difficulties.

A resident of Italy with foreign nationality, the man recently spent 40 days in Jordan where one of his sons was suffering from an unspecified flu.

The above MERS-CoV cluster increases the number of examples of export of the coronavirus from the Middle East to Europe or Africa. The case in Italy (45M) is confirmed, while his son in Jordan is a suspect case (see map). This export of a confirmed MERS-CoV case via commercial airline to Italy from Jordan follows similar exports from Qatar/ Saudi Arabia to Tunisia, UAE to France, and Saudi Arabia to England. In addition, there was a suspect export from UAE to Morocco.


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The increase in exports has been dramatic with confirmed or suspect cases imported into France, Tunisia, Morocco, and Italy (all by commercial airline). None of the exporting countries (UAE, Qatar, Jordan) have reported a case identified by surveillance. Jordan’s ICU cluster began in March, 2012 and was identified by NAMRU-3 in Egypt.

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Several of the exported cases have travel to Saudi Arabia to perform Umrah, and the traffic will increase in the near term because of Ramadan in July. However, WHO ineffectiveness in provide any real numbers on the breadth and number of MERS-CoV infections continues to place the world’s health in extreme peril.

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There was a period not that long ago when there was virtually no news of MERS-cov coming out of Saudi Arabia.

At the time I made the observation that I was suspicous that the Saudis had simply put a complete freeze on all information of their outbreak and that I believed that in time as this coronavirus spread and infected more people there would come a time when the Saudis would be forced to resume the release of information.

When the new information began to flow again what has been very evident is the fact that slowly but surely there has been a very significant uptick in both the number of cases testing positive, those dying and the geographic spread and advancement of this disease.

Today I am convinced that the Saudis did for a time engage in censoring all information and that has now become apparent.

The real issue now is that over that period of silence this disease has very significantly grown and spread and if we are yet seeing the complete picture, which I still have serious missgivings over, then either way, we are in a very serious position as we stand today.

If this MERS-cov isnt already out of control, and if it continues to propogate at the pace of just the last two weeks then it will be out of control much sooner rather than later.

It would be my thinking that we will see it emerging in random countries all around the world possibly in less than just two months.

Certainly if Ramadan is not formally cancelled then with almost absolute certainty the pandemic will be identified as commencing and fully emerging from that time period.

It is very sad thing to have to contemplate for the Muslim community to have to dissrupt their probably historically unbroken traditional annual pilgrimage observations, but I am certain that they more that most would be the first to step up to the plate and assert that the immediate needs to preserve the sanctity and safety of all human life belongs ahead of their commitment to observe their Umrah for just one year.

This must happen as we have no treatments/ vaccinations for this MERS-cov, nor do we understand where it is emerging from, or how it travels.

WE do now know that it does transmit from human to human, and it is evolving rapidly to do this more efficiently, which could be happening this very minute, we just dont know, and wont know until it is too late.

Much less do we have the medical resources to be able to offer the extremely long term care, sometimes over numerous months for an individual, to cope with even a serious outbreak let alone an epidemic, or pandemic.

Amid rising cases of deadly SARS-like virus, Saudi Health Ministry on Tuesday reported five new incidents in the east of the oil-rich kingdom, claiming that all affected are elderly people aged between 73 and 85. The latest cases appeared just hours after a 65-year-old Frenchman died of the virus, becoming the first victim in his country to get infected and died of the deadly nCoV-EMC novel coronavirus.

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Two more in Italy...

The Ministry of Health in Italy, through the European Union’s Early Warning Response System has notified WHO of an additional two laboratory-confirmed cases with Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) in the country.

Both the patients are close contacts of the recent laboratory-confirmed case with recent travel from Jordan. The first patient is a two-year-old girl and the second patient is a 42-year-old woman. They are in stable condition.

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Italy reported its first case of the SARS-like coronavirus on Friday, a 45-year-old man who had been travelling in Jordan, the health ministry said.
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have there been people returning from ummra to Jordan ??
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From the extensive reading that I undertake with these marrers I have never come across any information that in any way might suggest this.

That could simply be a product of the Saudi authorities censoring virtually all information of MERS-cov as has been their consistant and stubborn practice.

Or it just hasnt been the case.

Last night when I posted those most recent posts, I went on to Pin my own thread because I felt that as many people as possible needed the opportunity to have easy access to all this information.

It was the right choice for me to make as can be seem by all the fresh commentary since then and also the number of views has jumped quite substantially.

Im not sure if I have enough Karma points to do that again, but it would a good thing for this thread to be kept front page so that as many as possible might at least get some early warning of what is approaching and be able to prepare with essential face masks, antiseptic hand cleaners etc, that I mentioned yesterday as well.

Theres a link that people can use if they would like, I suggest they do, no matter where you live in the world.

But going back to Jordan.

One thing that did jump out at me last night after finishing my posting was what could be a very significant fact.

Last year at about this time the very first cases of what we now know to be MERS-cov ORIGINALLY surfaced in a hospital in Jordan.

It killed several, including nurses and a doctor, and caused considerable damage then it simply appeared to burn itself out and went dormant till around September when it re-surfaced in a Qatari man and from there concentrated in Saudi Arabia.

I have to wonder what influence may have originally been at play in JORDAN at that partciular time of year that spawned those original cases.

Are there clues in there for us to investigate that might finally uncover the reservour or at the least provide some direction as to what the vector of this novel coronavirus might be.

The geographical seperation is significant enough to look for connections of all types that could link the different locations and potentially lead to some helpful revelation.

Unfortunately that is all I can contribute, but hopefully someone with better access to information and better trained then my meager grasp of pathology and bio-security goes.

arkay
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hajj took place november in 2012 the cases in jordan surfaces november 2012
during hajj sheep , goats are sacrificed as part of the religious ritual , because of the huge influx of people and the numbers of sheep goats needed , they are bought in from different parts of the kingdom .
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hi mizz tree chick great to see you hope your feeling a litttle better hf
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ramadan was in july in 2012 also a time when more sheep goats are consumed
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ramadan was in july in 2012 also a time when more sheep goats are consumed
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end of july end of ramadan , would bring us up to august incubation period before symptoms would that bring us up to september ?

Had jordan imported sheep goats from saudi in preparation for ramadan ?
What were the figures for tourism from saudi that year , the saudis tend to like tunisia or france more than jordan however due to it being ramadan it may have been business tourism , just a few ideas
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Hajj is expected to fall between October 13-18, 2013.
Strongly suspect there will be further cases announced with in 1 month of that date sadly
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WOOOHOOOOOO she's back again !

Good to see you my friend !


Thanks for the vigilance Arkay, appreciate all the updates.
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WOOOHOOOOOO she's back again !

Good to see you my friend !


Thanks for the vigilance Arkay, appreciate all the updates.
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missed you too mztreechick hf
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Ten positive cases of new coronavirus in Italy
If independently confirmed, these cases would represent one of the biggest human cluster of MERS-CoV infections detected since the discovery of the virus in the early 2012.

Also, the first confirmed imported case may be a feared 'super-spreader', like those seen during 2003 SARS outbreak.

Clearly, more details are eagerly awaited around the clinical course of these cases in the coming days.
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THis commentary from Professor Niman today on his web site is worth the read.

I will post more on these ten new cases detected in Italy in my next post as there are things that need some deeper and clear thinking first.

MERS-CoV Asymptomatic Cluster In Florence Italy
Recombinomics Commentary 23:00
June 3, 2013

There are about ten, so far, the people tested positive for the New Sars but completely asymptomatic. The samples, said today Professor Alessandro Bartoloni, head of infectious diseases at the AOU Careggi, Florence, were sent to the Institute of Health for confirmation. The positive test, by throat swab, having no symptom, were not hospitalized and remain at home, obviously under observation.


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The positive results in the asymptomatic cases in Florence (see map) suggested significant testing difference between the upper respiratory tract samples in Italy and those tested elsewhere.

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This could be the first large cluster emergence of the MERS-cov.

Or it might be something else.

First thoughts are that with respect to professor Niman's comments which are always valid, these tests were carried out by viral testing experts, they can be expected to be highly competent in their obtaining test samples.

From all accounts they have been prepared to immediately respond to an event such as this, and they have been expecting this current event to occur.

So, if the tests do prove to be positive, is it the case that they were collected so early that the patients who have tested positive, have done so because of the very early nature of their testing.

Is this asymptomatic characteristic in these cases a function of this competent early response?

Are they now receiving prophalactic medications which will potentially mask full development of disease?

What is the anticipated incubation time for this MERS-cov to become obvious in a patient, and did these positive testing cases experience that full time frame before testing?

This could be highly probable as the Itallian lab has been fully prepared to respond to their first case with no time wasted.

Now is where I find some interresting possibilities.

This "index" Itallian case had returned from Jordan.

Jordan at about this time last year was the location of the very first cases of this MERS-cov, and there has been very little activity with MERS-cov from there since then.

The other cases that we have been watching, predominantly in Sauda Arabia have been very active and have been demonstrating steady drift towards H2H transmission .

Therfore, could it be possible that the ORIGINAL Jordanian coronavirus evolved along similar lines as its southern cousin in Saudi Arabia and perhaps aquired some differentiating properties, and more or less genetically branched slightly.

Properties such as to be of much less severity but perhaps far higher transmissibility than its southern cousin coronavirus, could be examples of slight differences.

We need to have complete sequencing done on these new Itallian cases in order to answer these and many more questions.

Because we still have no idea of the reservour and the vector for this, possibly these, coronaviruses we are stumbling in the dark with what we understand of any new and differing cases such as those we are seeing here.

I, at this point in time dont think that we are witnessing the full on beginnings of a pandemic.

I do however believe that no matter what we are witnessing, here, is a very good demonstration of what might very soon happen and with that in mind I honestly believe that both the Saudi authorities need to make immediate arrangements to fully open their state up to a massive effort from an enlarged team of experts from all around the world to search until found, both the reservour and the vector for this coronavirus.

The World Health Organization must immediately get of its ineffective arses and execute to the fullest extent their full authority over the Saudi authorities and immediately stop pussy footing with them over this matter.

They need to ramp up all efforts and responses of all cases in Saudi Arabia.

At the very least they should be insisting on two independant observers being present in every hospital in Saudi Arabia in an effort to obtain reliable and immediate reporting that we can have faith in as far as this MERS-cov goes in Saudi Arabia.

The Saudis have now definately no credibility for the world to believe or rely on virtually anything they might or might not say with regard to this disease, and we, the whole world, do have a right to demand reliable information and responsible handling of all issues when we are all potentially affected.

And finally and very regrettably, this years Hajj MUST at all costs be postponed for this year.

The health of the world overrides all other considerations and its far past time that this is recognised and appropriately acted on.

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It would appear that Professor Nihman is right at the coal face with his logic and rationalle regarding the new cluster of positive MERS-cov cases in Florence.

He clearly acknowledges that these cases have been tested earlier than most, indicating a possible reason for the asymptomatic conditions of those positive cases.

Lets hope that the good professor might also be able to elicit more information on treatment protocols that may have been applied at an earlier period than usual and that these slight factors might have had an influence in the general persentation of the severity of this MERS-cov.

That would be a very good indicator for wider application and assesment in our understanding of how this coronavirus might be behaving.

A fatality rate well below the current 50-70 percent is something we all want to see consigned to hell and if it turns out that the most severe cases are indeed older people with pre-existing conditions, that will allow a substantial lowering of that mortality rate, which would be news of immense relief for us all to hear of.

MERS-CoV Asymptomatic Health Care Workers In Italy
Recombinomics Commentary 12:45
June 4, 2013

Among the ten cases of people who are likely to have been infected by the coronavirus, in Florence, five are the medical staff who attended the patient arrived from Jordan and then died. This is a doctor of the department of Infectious Diseases Careggi, a doctor and three nurses of the hospital of Santa Maria Nuova.

The above translation provides additional detail on the 10 asymptomatic contacts who have tested positive for MERS-CoV in Florence, Italy (see map). The above health care workers (HCWs) included doctors and nurse who had contacts with the index case at the two facilities which treated the confirmed case (45M) who had returned to Italy from Jordan. Two contacts (his niece, 2F, and a co-worker, 42F) developed symptoms and tested positive. However, Italy expanded testing to asymptomatic contacts and positives were detected in samples from the upper respiratory tract (nasopharyngeal swabs). Thus, the key difference between the asymptomatic positives detected in Italy and negatives cited elsewhere are linked to the timing of the testing.


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Moreover, the ealriest MERS-CoV cases were in Jordan over a year ago. Although the milder cases were classified as "probable" because of the lack of sample, the disese onset dates strongly support human to human transmission among the ICU HCWs, with strong similaritys with SARS-CoV transission in 2003.

Similarly, mild contacts of the case in Tunisia were quickly tested and were MERS-CoV confirmed.

Thus, the chief difference between the MERS-CoV positives in mild / asymptomatic cases, and those tested elsewhere has been the timing of sample collection. The results in Italy suggested the viral load in mild cases is confined to the upper respiratory tract, which is cleared, and testing of samples collected when the patient has largely recovered yields negative results.



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The 10 Italian positive-tested people have not been isolated..

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dec /jan europe september middle east is what iam guessing not pandemic yet but well on the way ...why are no procedures being put in place just confounds me
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dec /jan europe september middle east is what iam guessing not pandemic yet but well on the way ...why are no procedures being put in place just confounds me
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It seems that TPTB are allowing this to spread and root out. There does not to be any news of quarantine CBRN procedures being undertaken which seems really strange as this is a virus with a massive kill rate????
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The random flu deaths in Alabama (mobile) there is a fishing town near mobile that has 15% of its population is Vietnamese...which their main trade is fishing... Local fishermen trade all the time...houston!!
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Sounds like Synthia.
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Here's a primer on it. The thread it came from has more. It was and still is being spread in the GOM to eat the oil spill.



Connecting any dots? Doesn't show up in genome databases because it's proprietary tech, perhaps. So when doctors do a search on the disease, it doesn't show up. So they blame corexit or bath salts, or the next things down the list. The process of elimination doesn't work properly, because the true cause is hidden from view. It's outside the average doctor's domain knowledge set of facts.


Problem/reaction/solution.


SAY HELLO TO SYNTHIA

In 2003, JCVI successfully synthesized a small virus that infects bacteria. By 2008, the JCVI team was able to synthesize a small bacterial genome. On May 6, 2010, JCVI revealed they had already created a self-replicating bacterial cell controlled by a chemically synthesized genome they named “synthetic Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0”. (7) This completely synthetic cell with its computer designed genome has absolutely no natural DNA. (1) The etc group from Canada named it Synthia and it contains added watermark chains to identify the genome as artificial. It also has antibiotic resistance indicators. (7) One can only speculate why this artificial bacterium has an inherent programmed capability to resist antibiotics.

This new life form has the ability to replicate itself and organically function in any cell into which it has been introduced. Its DNA is artificial and it’s this synthetic DNA that takes control of the cell and is credited with being the building block of life. This is the first self-replicating synthetic bacterial cell thanks to its computer generated DNA. All of the funding for this came from Synthetic Genomics Inc (1), the company BP has a sizable equity position and alliance with. BP is definitely way beyond petroleum just as their new slogan publicizes.

Why watermark this artificial genome? Doing so makes it identifiable as the unique and patented (privately owned) asset it is. What happens if a human becomes infected with a life-threatening variant bacterial species of Synthia? If you use Penicillin to fight the infection, it won’t do any good. Antibiotic resistance is part of its DNA sequence, so any use of antibiotics would be a waste of time.

What would happen if mankind is contaminated by this self-reproducing artificial life form by contact or by breathing it? Would we become subjective to the DNA of the synthetic cells flowing throughout our bodies? Would the Synthia cells combine with other bacterium within us to create a new deadly bacterium? Since the micro-organism is created and gets its programming from computers, would we become subject to artificial electro-magnetic frequencies recognized by these genomes? There are a lot of questions that need to yet be answered. What matters most is this: Will we find out those answers in time?

Keep connecting the dots. The picture is starting to take shape now.

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Sounds like Synthia.
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Here's a primer on it. The thread it came from has more. It was and still is being spread in the GOM to eat the oil spill.



Connecting any dots? Doesn't show up in genome databases because it's proprietary tech, perhaps. So when doctors do a search on the disease, it doesn't show up. So they blame corexit or bath salts, or the next things down the list. The process of elimination doesn't work properly, because the true cause is hidden from view. It's outside the average doctor's domain knowledge set of facts.


Problem/reaction/solution.


SAY HELLO TO SYNTHIA

In 2003, JCVI successfully synthesized a small virus that infects bacteria. By 2008, the JCVI team was able to synthesize a small bacterial genome. On May 6, 2010, JCVI revealed they had already created a self-replicating bacterial cell controlled by a chemically synthesized genome they named “synthetic Mycoplasma mycoides JCVI-syn1.0”. (7) This completely synthetic cell with its computer designed genome has absolutely no natural DNA. (1) The etc group from Canada named it Synthia and it contains added watermark chains to identify the genome as artificial. It also has antibiotic resistance indicators. (7) One can only speculate why this artificial bacterium has an inherent programmed capability to resist antibiotics.

This new life form has the ability to replicate itself and organically function in any cell into which it has been introduced. Its DNA is artificial and it’s this synthetic DNA that takes control of the cell and is credited with being the building block of life. This is the first self-replicating synthetic bacterial cell thanks to its computer generated DNA. All of the funding for this came from Synthetic Genomics Inc (1), the company BP has a sizable equity position and alliance with. BP is definitely way beyond petroleum just as their new slogan publicizes.

Why watermark this artificial genome? Doing so makes it identifiable as the unique and patented (privately owned) asset it is. What happens if a human becomes infected with a life-threatening variant bacterial species of Synthia? If you use Penicillin to fight the infection, it won’t do any good. Antibiotic resistance is part of its DNA sequence, so any use of antibiotics would be a waste of time.

What would happen if mankind is contaminated by this self-reproducing artificial life form by contact or by breathing it? Would we become subjective to the DNA of the synthetic cells flowing throughout our bodies? Would the Synthia cells combine with other bacterium within us to create a new deadly bacterium? Since the micro-organism is created and gets its programming from computers, would we become subject to artificial electro-magnetic frequencies recognized by these genomes? There are a lot of questions that need to yet be answered. What matters most is this: Will we find out those answers in time?

Keep connecting the dots. The picture is starting to take shape now.

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Im sorry folks.

I havent responded to this not because it isnt potentially something of great value to persue, but because it is way too far off topic here.

I dont wish to pick this apart because it may very well be a serious and valid concern but the time frames here, as well as the scientific knowledge that we have in relation to our specific topic does not come within miles of being capable of permitting these notable incidents into what we are aware of.

Simply put these are at best two completely unrelated matters and for the benefit of this thread I would strongly recommend that you persue this matter in a different forum where it wont be confused or take the established foundation of what this thread has established itself on.

I mean no dissrespect, it is simply a matter of you talking of one issue and we here being concerned with an entirely different matter.

Who knows, maybe there are common factors buried deep that may well be common to both issues, but we will attempt to find ours and if you find commonality then you are very welcome to return and reveal your connecting findings here too.

Good luck with your endevours.

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With respect the the commentary from Giovanni Rezza and Isabella Donatelli
Department of Infectious Diseases
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Rome, Italy.

When I posted my thoughts a couple of days ago regarding virulence and transmissibility of the positive testing asymptomatic cases in Italy, I specifically was only reflecting on possibilities and suggesting that those answers could only ever be answered by full genetic sequencing, which of course is obvious.

If other bloggers or journo's have grabbed at some of my musings and taken them further then so be it, their laziness has come home to roost and show them as the lazy frauds that they are.

I certainly did not make any definitative assertions in those directions and I hope that the abovementioned identities do not hold me accountable for the wrongly presented direction of my thoughts.

As a side issue I have a massive distaste for palargarists who bludge off the works of others, especially when the likes of both Treyfish and myself do all our work for absolutely no financial gain at all, though we both would prefer to have our works appreciated in a way that might at least provide us with a meal from time to time.


At a simple rate of just $10/hr would see us both very comfortably rewarded for our works, such are the demands that we subject ourselves on a daily basis.

If that was a rant then so be it.

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With regard to rumours appeared on the press -- and published on ProMED -- about positivity for MERS-CoV among close contacts of confirmed cases detected in Florence, we would like to specify that the reference lab of Istituto Superiore di Sanita has not confirmed any of the samples from asymptomatic contacts of the cases.

Moreover, the virus has not been characterized yet. Thus, significant mutations in the viral genome that might explain changes in virulence on transmissibility cannot be confirmed as yet.

Clinical surveillance of close contacts contagiousness is ongoing.

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Giovanni Rezza and Isabella Donatelli
Department of Infectious Diseases
Istituto Superiore di Sanita
Rome, Italy
<giovanni.rezza@iss.it>


Link here...

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5 JUNE 2013 - The Ministry of Health in Saudi Arabia has notified WHO of an additional laboratory-confirmed case with Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV).

The patient is a 14-year-old girl with underlying medical conditions who became ill on 29 May 2013. She is reported from the Eastern region, but not from Al-Ahsa where an outbreak began in a health care facility since April 2013. The patient is in stable condition......
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