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<<Advancing Bird Flu-H5N1...Now following MERS and Ebola approaching PANDEMICS>>>

 
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hope this spreads to plague-like proportions
need more excitement in my life
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you might feel differently when you children wife mother or just loved one get it even if you dont care for yourself you must have a heart for someone
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Its absolutely appauling to some responses like this anywhere and at anytime.

I really do wonder just how unfortunate a life these people have had, to be able to display such hatred towards other people.
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was your reply to me or above me
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Definately not at you, sorry if there was any missunderstanding.

Just that joker wishing for doom and gloom, thoughtless insensitive so and so, but not you...definately
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[link to newsblogged.com] some interesting bits of info here
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Anon, you have supplied some great links and done some really good research.

Thank you for all your terrific work.

Can I request that if you find more please bring it to us and share.

I have to say that in general, the frequency of articles about H5N1 do seem to be on the increase.

There have been some human to human cases of contamination with resulting fatality, and the overall "feeling" does seem that this bug is gaining a stronger and broader foothold.

We really do need to begin to be more observant and vigilant, is how this is making me feel.
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02/09/2012 04:52 AM

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bump
for the apology first and foremost.

but also in the hope of fresh news.

Has anyone seen anything that is current?
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02/09/2012 08:30 AM

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Don't know if this helps, found it on another thread. I don't know how to post links, sorry.
pandemicinformationnews.blogspot.com
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02/09/2012 08:48 AM

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Oops. My bad. Have had time to read through the whole thread and see that this link was posted before.
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02/09/2012 01:17 PM
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Excellent thread!!!
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02/09/2012 02:09 PM
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Thread: No way of stopping leak of deadly new flu .. says terror chief ?!
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you might feel differently when you children wife mother or just loved one get it even if you dont care for yourself you must have a heart for someone
 Quoting: anon 10409016


Its absolutely appauling to some responses like this anywhere and at anytime.

I really do wonder just how unfortunate a life these people have had, to be able to display such hatred towards other people.
 Quoting: arkay


was your reply to me or above me
 Quoting: anon 10409016


Definately not at you, sorry if there was any missunderstanding.

Just that joker wishing for doom and gloom, thoughtless insensitive so and so, but not you...definately
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no probs there attitude gisgusts me blatent disregard for human life
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02/09/2012 02:24 PM
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op pleae i would like your oppinion taking in concideration the following
recession/deppression going around europe
drop in standard of living, people perhaps noting eating as well as they should , not able to keep warm because of fear of heating costs, wars in middle east and presant freezing temps over europe do you see a repeat of history
as most great plagues seem i think to happen when people are already weakened by the factors above
your thoughts please
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sorry I missed a lot of posts from here on so I'll try to catch up for everyone, different time zones, Im pushin zzzz's and you are all reading!!

Re your question regarding environmental influences that appear to have a cause and effect nature.

In this case I think that you have been quite observant and questioning in the way you apply your logic, but these environmental occurances really are pretty cyclic one way or another and the emergance of major pandemics that seem to correlate are simple coincidences, at least in the cases of killer flu's.

If you look back through this thread, and just look for EMA's posts and mine directly below one of hers, you will see a pretty good explaination as to how these bugs actually kill the healthiest in our communities, which of course is in complete opposition to what you would expect.

Sorry I was late with your answer.

Cheers
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no probs thank you for taking the time to answer I ll look back as you suggest , my thought was is nature taking out the weakest but as you say it seems to target the healthy very worrying
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[link to newsblogged.com] some interesting bits of info here
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anon
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Anon, you have supplied some great links and done some really good research.

Thank you for all your terrific work.

Can I request that if you find more please bring it to us and share.

I have to say that in general, the frequency of articles about H5N1 do seem to be on the increase.

There have been some human to human cases of contamination with resulting fatality, and the overall "feeling" does seem that this bug is gaining a stronger and broader foothold.

We really do need to begin to be more observant and vigilant, is how this is making me feel.
 Quoting: arkay


your very welcome as I said been following this for some time very worrying have a nice evening
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02/09/2012 02:31 PM
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[link to www.moneycontrol.com]
just more to the collection
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[link to www.nature.com] there are lots of extras on this site
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[link to bikyamasr.com]
EGYTIAN cases
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[link to www.pediatricsupersite.com]
HI arkay this may be useful I am not medical so much of it is over my head but I hope its of use
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02/09/2012 02:59 PM
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[link to web.oie.int]
if you can navigate this site its useful
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02/09/2012 03:02 PM
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[link to english.peopledaily.com.cn]
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[link to web.oie.int]
this has a good history of reports
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[link to web.oie.int]
india
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[link to web.oie.int]
this looks like its spreading on yhis map
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[link to www.phac-aspc.gc.ca]
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[link to wwwnc.cdc.gov]
airlines prepardness
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[link to www.cdc.gov]
animal bird h5n1 cases
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[link to www.cdc.gov]
animal bird h5n1 cases
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[link to www.nature.com] there are lots of extras on this site
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To "ANON" above, and all those numerous links you have provided, I really cannot express the gratitude and immense respect for your extensive contributions.

There is a huge amount of excellent information contained in all those links that you have so diligently researched and generously provided.

I can only recommend that all readers take the necessary time to read and absorb as much as they can from them.

This is clearly a work of a very concerned and caring individual.

Again many many thanks to you.

Wish you were signed in, I would be passing on a karma to you, but that really isnt what this is really about.
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02/09/2012 08:04 PM

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Hi rosie80, good to see you are still following this thread, and apparently becoming actively interested in the subject.

Also thank you for your link.

Might I ask how your family members are at this time, I truely hope they are well and that there was nothing really too concerning with them, also might I also ask if you followed my suggestions and also to what extent.

This might sound a little confronting for me to request this type of feedback, but my reasoning is simple.

When I made those suggestions, I had no idea of the impact I was having, so what I would like to know is, what I need to learn, in order for me to be effective when I do make those type of suggestions to complete strangers, that is my reasoning.

If you think that its a bit intrusinve, as even I probably would, feel completely free to dissmiss my request, I will completely understand and there is no harm done.

Many thanks and stay well.

Cheers
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After being isolated for more than 30 hours, a 37-year-old paperboy, SA, suspected of being infected with bird flu died on Tuesday at 4:30 p.m. in the isolation room of Hasan Sadikin Hospital in Bandung, West Java.

taken from here...

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]

This death happened no Tuesday in West Java.

It appears that the authorities there might be trying to down play this a bit too, the story seems to be somewhat evasive.

Of real concern is that there seems to be at least one fresh case being reported on a pretty much daily basis now.

Its scarin me in particular as a lot of them ARE heading into my part of the worls, sorry if that sounds a bit selfinterested, but dying from this bugs is NOT what I had in mind for my eventual departure.
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do you know the area .. my father and family just came back from there and have a flue .. literally flew in three days ago ..
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Quoting from the link...

The Mekong Delta province of Soc Trang has become the third province in Vietnam to report bird flu outbreak this year

I dont think that its time to go into panic mode yet, as I havent heard that it has directly transmitted, most but not all cases appear to be through direct contact with poultry.

Having said that, viruses can mutate in the course of just a day or so, so caution is really the very best suggestion anyone can offer.

Should they, or anyone else travelling to those regions begin to feel the slightest bit unwell, then the best advive is to get to your medico immediately.

Hope all is ok for your family.
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Me too .. and happy I didn't meet up with them yet .. I wonder how far that is from Tay Ninh .. i am gonna google it .. I just know that they got sick after the flight and figured jet lag and now they are all sick ..
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"OUCH"

Without any undue waste of time, please contact the airline they were travelling on and do two things...

ONE) Tell them what has happened and that you are concerned, and ask if they've had any other requests for this info, on that particular flight, leave them your contact details.

They'll probably be wary of a lawsuit so put that to rest.

TWO) Im not too sure how you can do this as I'm not an American, but you should advise the CDC of your information and contact details.

Also, it might be a very good idea to suggest that your family members, all now that have been in direct contact, since their return, to place themselves into voluntary quarantine for a few days, get them to talk to their medico's and ask about these suggestions...PLEASE..

sorry, I dont want to over dramatize this but caution is better than the possible conseqences.

Again, I truely hope all will be well.
 Quoting: arkay


That is what should be done and is very civic minded, but in this day and age do you think that people would ever do that voluntarily?
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Quoting from the link...

The Mekong Delta province of Soc Trang has become the third province in Vietnam to report bird flu outbreak this year

I dont think that its time to go into panic mode yet, as I havent heard that it has directly transmitted, most but not all cases appear to be through direct contact with poultry.

Having said that, viruses can mutate in the course of just a day or so, so caution is really the very best suggestion anyone can offer.

Should they, or anyone else travelling to those regions begin to feel the slightest bit unwell, then the best advive is to get to your medico immediately.

Hope all is ok for your family.
 Quoting: arkay


Me too .. and happy I didn't meet up with them yet .. I wonder how far that is from Tay Ninh .. i am gonna google it .. I just know that they got sick after the flight and figured jet lag and now they are all sick ..
 Quoting: rosie80


"OUCH"

Without any undue waste of time, please contact the airline they were travelling on and do two things...

ONE) Tell them what has happened and that you are concerned, and ask if they've had any other requests for this info, on that particular flight, leave them your contact details.

They'll probably be wary of a lawsuit so put that to rest.

TWO) Im not too sure how you can do this as I'm not an American, but you should advise the CDC of your information and contact details.

Also, it might be a very good idea to suggest that your family members, all now that have been in direct contact, since their return, to place themselves into voluntary quarantine for a few days, get them to talk to their medico's and ask about these suggestions...PLEASE..

sorry, I dont want to over dramatize this but caution is better than the possible conseqences.

Again, I truely hope all will be well.
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That is what should be done and is very civic minded, but in this day and age do you think that people would ever do that voluntarily?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175610


Actually yes I do think that reasoning people who can appreciate the enormity and importance of a matter like this should and would do that.

What are the alternatives, sit back, wondering that maybe I could have saved thousands of lives if Id made that tiny little bit of difference.

How would your concience deal with that once an event like that got going and you began to think about it?
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Excellent thread!!!
hf
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Thanks to all the contributors to it.

And since it was started, there seems to be more and more really recent, related reports beginning to filter in.

This is becoming a worrying trend, so please if anyone has anything to add, you are all most welcome to contribute.
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Me too .. and happy I didn't meet up with them yet .. I wonder how far that is from Tay Ninh .. i am gonna google it .. I just know that they got sick after the flight and figured jet lag and now they are all sick ..
 Quoting: rosie80


"OUCH"

Without any undue waste of time, please contact the airline they were travelling on and do two things...

ONE) Tell them what has happened and that you are concerned, and ask if they've had any other requests for this info, on that particular flight, leave them your contact details.

They'll probably be wary of a lawsuit so put that to rest.

TWO) Im not too sure how you can do this as I'm not an American, but you should advise the CDC of your information and contact details.

Also, it might be a very good idea to suggest that your family members, all now that have been in direct contact, since their return, to place themselves into voluntary quarantine for a few days, get them to talk to their medico's and ask about these suggestions...PLEASE..

sorry, I dont want to over dramatize this but caution is better than the possible conseqences.

Again, I truely hope all will be well.
 Quoting: arkay


That is what should be done and is very civic minded, but in this day and age do you think that people would ever do that voluntarily?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1175610


Actually yes I do think that reasoning people who can appreciate the enormity and importance of a matter like this should and would do that.

What are the alternatives, sit back, wondering that maybe I could have saved thousands of lives if Id made that tiny little bit of difference.

How would your concience deal with that once an event like that got going and you began to think about it?
 Quoting: arkay


We arent talking about my conscience and what I would do, Im talking about all the thousands of airplane travellers that leave and arrive every day in Aus. and how few of them would even consider self quarentine under any circumstances.

The new normal sucks, IMHO

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