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hugs smile_hear

Thank you for your kind words as always. You also reminded me about some bloodwork for my kidney & liver 6mth review, I have even had the referral in my bag for over a week, better get that done!

Good luck with yours flower
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Mmmmmm!!!

All warm and fuzzy!!!

Your best wishes are of course recipricated.

Having a medical background of a type, with what you say about your tests tells me a lot about what youve been through.

I trust that all is well behind you now and youve mended exceptionally well.

Why is it that all the crappy stuff happens to the very nicest of people?

Ive never been able to fathom that one out.

Anyway...cheers

and... BE WELL!!
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02/20/2012 01:25 AM

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Why does the crap happen to the nice people??? Don't know I'll have to ask when I find one laugh

But jokes aside, I think it is because we can handle it, learn/grow from it & whilst it may upset us at the time or even for awhile, we can ultimately move on from it. I believe this ^^^ is what makes us good people. You can also call people out using good old niceness & simple english, makes the angry screamers look like fools.

Really enjoying your threads & company Arkay thumbs
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Why does the crap happen to the nice people??? Don't know I'll have to ask when I find one laugh

But jokes aside, I think it is because we can handle it, learn/grow from it & whilst it may upset us at the time or even for awhile, we can ultimately move on from it. I believe this ^^^ is what makes us good people. You can also call people out using good old niceness & simple english, makes the angry screamers look like fools.

Really enjoying your threads & company Arkay thumbs
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I am humbled.

naturally reciprecated.

Thank you.

Now youve got me under pressure!!

joking of course...
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Why does the crap happen to the nice people??? Don't know I'll have to ask when I find one laugh

But jokes aside, I think it is because we can handle it, learn/grow from it & whilst it may upset us at the time or even for awhile, we can ultimately move on from it. I believe this ^^^ is what makes us good people. You can also call people out using good old niceness & simple english, makes the angry screamers look like fools.

Really enjoying your threads & company Arkay thumbs
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I am humbled.

naturally reciprecated.

Thank you.

Now youve got me under pressure!!

joking of course...
 Quoting: arkay


I absolutely look forward to your replies, which this thread really isnt about.

But I cant help my feelings.

you really are a lady of genuine substance...

This public manefestation of our personal connections really isnt appropriate on this thread, much as I welcome it.

but other readers will be viewing this as some sort of personal relationship building, and that would be a really great disstractionn from the thrust of the topic.

so, if I might be so forward, perhaps we should restrict our contributions to the topic at hand.

I will PM you on other interests like the financial concerns that you refer to in another thread Im running , and other matters too, hope you are good with this!

PM will come soon, please be Patient!

You are listed as a "buddy"...
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02/20/2012 12:02 PM
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bump
weekend is over here, so the bump is for UK "anon" to find the thread so that she might add any new info she might have unearthed..

Personally, and with the greatest of respect I do have to wonder if this lady has a social life!

Her contribution here far outweighs anything I could contribute...I think she is totally worthy of a medal of appreciation...I just dont know how to award it!

Your contributions are without doubt unbelievably unparalleled.

But...

on this subject...

you will go down in history, one way or another as a serious person that saved thousands of lives and there are no measurements to that type of human contributions, other than to know that those who have been lucky enough to have crossed your path will owe their lives to you.

And THAT is a position of the highest order, Im sure you realize this.

You wouldnt be doing what you are doing otherwise...correct???

you are a sweet and caring lady, and for that I cannot ever pay sufficient appreciation...

but...

this is not your whole life...please do not spend all your time here, it is not healthy in the bigger picture...you know what Im saying...

down time is important too.

just hang around from time to time ...we will spot trends when we need to, and we will scream loud and clear when that time comes too..No??
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Hi Arkay ah but I am always on he go the computor is my time out the time I have a coffee and relax , but I enjoy walking , dogs, children, cooking, sewing, ans even dabble in painting if I find the right motivation , you may be right that I not a very social person i dont smoke, and i am tea total, so parties dont interest me but fresh strawberries with clotted cream served with a scone and a good english cup of tea is a real treat , I love to se the sun rise and set and to feel the rain and wind in my hair
in the summer the childen and I go blackberry picking then take them home to make blackberry crumble, something the whole family enjoy.
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Then simply this...

you are a good person with a well balanced life which I for one envy.

Stay well and best wishes always.

And...

please continue to stay with us here.
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Thanks arkay, will do.... your a real gentleman, who shows a lot of compassion, and you really understand how to communicate well , its a pleasure being on your thread,
for me I just enjoy every day as it comes good or bad doesn;t matter just part of a learning process, perhaps I;m am getting old or mybe I have learnt to enjoy what I consider to be important in life , have a really good day my friend
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[link to www.wjgnet.com]
this may not on the surface of things seem important but looking at the largr impact the coming pandemic might create is I feel an important aspect to overcoming
what could possibly be one of the worst pandemics we have encounted, I really do appeal to people to prepare the best you can and learn as much as you can before it happens, if
by some miricle it does not arrive you will have lost nothing for your efforts
Stay safe plebs
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There were calls for the research to be kept secret, but the WHO has decided it is in the public interest to release it. The disease remains a huge problem in countries from Indonesia to Egypt.

When the H5N1 strain of bird flu has been contracted by humans, more than 60 per cent have died, making it one of the most lethal strains of flu ever detected. James Cook University microbiologist Dr Graham Burgess says if the virus hit Australia, more than 1 million people would die
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GRAHAM BURGESS: You've got to consider that if it hit Australia you are going to lose over a million people and you are going to have probably a pretty significant proportion of the remainder of the population very, very sick possibly needing respirators and so forth and there is absolutely no way that we have that sort of gear in our hospitals so yeah, it's going to be pretty serious.
why are more reports of this kind begining to surface,do you get the feeling that perhaps authorities are aware that people have lost interest and the dangerous situation that could become when this fiannly becomes a reality ???
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You know there will always be real human beings those who without thought for there own safty will go out of there way to help others in need, it is said god created us in his image, maybe that special kind of people who make the best doctors, fireman, teachers, scientists, carry that spark of godliness so to all you very special people a very big thank you for your selfless contributions to humnity
you work may not always be appreaciated yet with out your work our world would be a very different place
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General Info
Disease Event ID: 167720
Reporting date: 19/02/2012
Observation date: 10/02/2012



Location

Region: Africa
Admin 1 (Country): Al Minufiyah (menoufia) (Egypt)
Locality: Menof
Lat/Long: 30.465928 / 30.930581
Coords quality: Centroid Locality



Diagnosis

Status: Confirmed
Disease: Highly pathogenic avian influenza
Serotype: H5N1
Source: National authorities



Species affected

An.Type: Human
An.Class: Human
Species: Human
At Risk: …
Cases: 1
Deaths: …
Destroyed: …
Slaughtered: …



Laboratory Tests

Disease Tested: Highly pathogenic avian influenza
Species: …
Test: …
Result: Positive
Result Date: 18/02/2012
National Laboratory Name: Central Public Health Laboratories
Reference Laboratory: …
arkay (OP)

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General Info
Disease Event ID: 167720
Reporting date: 19/02/2012
Observation date: 10/02/2012



Location

Region: Africa
Admin 1 (Country): Al Minufiyah (menoufia) (Egypt)
Locality: Menof
Lat/Long: 30.465928 / 30.930581
Coords quality: Centroid Locality



Diagnosis

Status: Confirmed
Disease: Highly pathogenic avian influenza
Serotype: H5N1
Source: National authorities



Species affected

An.Type: Human
An.Class: Human
Species: Human
At Risk: …
Cases: 1
Deaths: …
Destroyed: …
Slaughtered: …



Laboratory Tests

Disease Tested: Highly pathogenic avian influenza
Species: …
Test: …
Result: Positive
Result Date: 18/02/2012
National Laboratory Name: Central Public Health Laboratories
Reference Laboratory: …
 Quoting: anon 11172424


Thank you UK Anon...

this has NOT shown up on my source pages.

It really does make me suspicous of a degree of censoring or filtering of this type of information.
Of course Egypt is currently also having some pretty significant political issues, but could or would that impact on this info being made available.

I think that the answer is apparently not, simply because you were able to source this, so maybe because Ive advertised links, my source could be screening??

Who knows, maybe Im being paranoid, which would be the better of the two choices!!

Are you able to supply us with your source please?
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General Info
Disease Event ID: 167720
Reporting date: 19/02/2012
Observation date: 10/02/2012



Location

Region: Africa
Admin 1 (Country): Al Minufiyah (menoufia) (Egypt)
Locality: Menof
Lat/Long: 30.465928 / 30.930581
Coords quality: Centroid Locality



Diagnosis

Status: Confirmed
Disease: Highly pathogenic avian influenza
Serotype: H5N1
Source: National authorities



Species affected

An.Type: Human
An.Class: Human
Species: Human
At Risk: …
Cases: 1
Deaths: …
Destroyed: …
Slaughtered: …



Laboratory Tests

Disease Tested: Highly pathogenic avian influenza
Species: …
Test: …
Result: Positive
Result Date: 18/02/2012
National Laboratory Name: Central Public Health Laboratories
Reference Laboratory: …
 Quoting: anon 11172424


Thank you UK Anon...

this has NOT shown up on my source pages.

It really does make me suspicous of a degree of censoring or filtering of this type of information.
Of course Egypt is currently also having some pretty significant political issues, but could or would that impact on this info being made available.

I think that the answer is apparently not, simply because you were able to source this, so maybe because Ive advertised links, my source could be screening??

Who knows, maybe Im being paranoid, which would be the better of the two choices!!

Are you able to supply us with your source please?
 Quoting: arkay


Bumping, to see if the last contributor might spot this thread and offer up information sources as they seem to be the best yet.
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[link to pandemicinformationnews.blogspot.com]
sorry about the delay was off line I am checking to see if I can come up with an update
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[link to www.recombinomics.com]
another h5n1 death
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hi sorry about that here is the origin of egypt h5n1
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[link to empres-i.fao.org]
vietnam
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all 40 ferrets died as air flowed into there cages ummmm
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I would not normally post the article but in the interest of public education i felt this important no coptruight infringment ids intended
All 40 H5N1 Exposed Ferrets Died
Recombinomics Commentary 15:00
February 21, 2012

“What scares me is that this could happen and this could happen so easily”

….air flowed into the next cage. killing all 40 exposed ferrets.

The above comments are from an ABC news video report on the H5N1 transmission experiments by Ron Fouchier in the Netherlands. His quote above highlights his concerns and the second comment highlights the level of lethality seen for the H5N1 that was used to infect one of the ferrets which maintained its high level of lethality after acquiring the full set of 5 changes in 2 genes. This level of lethality was in marked contrast to experiments by Yoshi Kawoaka which also achieved efficient transmission in ferrets but failed to kill at levels higher that H1N1pdm09, which was used as a genetic background for the H5 gene.

Thus, two very different approaches were used to achieve efficient transmission by H5N1 with natural acquisitions, raising serious concerns that such changes could lead to a catastrophic pandemic. However, recent debate has been more focused on H5N1 as a bioweapon, or a true case fatality rate that is orders of magnitude lower than the 60% CFR in confirmed cases.

However, the above ferret studies indicate the H5N1 from Indonesia (Fouchier experiment) is far more lethal than the Vietnam H5N1 H5 reassortant (Kawaoka experiment), and those citing a lower CFR based on serological studies are the same scientists downplayed the ability of H1N1pdm09 with a truncated F2 gene or an acquired receptor binding domain (RBD) change, D225G.

The prediction that the F2 truncation would limit H1N1pdm09 spread was not supported by subsequent events. The virus quickly spread worldwide and then began to appear in additional species (most notably swine and birds), raising concerns for reassortants similar to the virus used in the Kawaoka experiments. Similarly, the claim that D225G would not transmit in humans was based in earlier experiments targeting two RBD changes (E190D and D225G). However, D225G was found in approximately 40% of 1918 sequences, supporting transmission, as well as seasonal H3 sequences from the mid-1990’s, which also was present on H3N2v sequences, including the West Virginia cluster, which included 23 contacts with ILI, again supporting D225G transmission. This transmission is also supported by the Kawaoka and Fouchier experiments, because virtually all H5N1 sequences have D225G.

Thus, the predictions by those citing a low case fatality rate for H5n1 are the same “experts” who discounted the effects of H1N1pdm09, and who cite weak serological data which may be detecting cross-reactive antibodies ro those induced by low path H5.

The death of all 40 ferrets by the Indonesia H5N1 highlights the need for an aggressive H5 vaccination campaign, instead of distractions by unlikely bioterrorism, or claims that H5N1 lethality is largely over-estimated.
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However, the above ferret studies indicate the H5N1 from Indonesia (Fouchier experiment) is far more lethal than the Vietnam H5N1 H5 reassortant (Kawaoka experiment), and those citing a lower CFR based on serological studies are the same scientists downplayed the ability of H1N1pdm09 with a truncated F2 gene or an acquired receptor binding domain (RBD) change, D225G.

ok so the indoneasian strain is closer to human to human transmission and at a a leathal mortality rate my heart kind of thinks we should be looking towards indoneasia
large gatherings ect there is absolutly censorship of some kind going on out there
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this is indoneasia notice the bovine deaths is this perhaps why they were experimenting on bovine rather than porcus or ovaris aries
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this caught my attention
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another death 12 year old boy looking for confirmation sheet
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canbera australia report
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hugs smile_hear

Thank you for your kind words as always. You also reminded me about some bloodwork for my kidney & liver 6mth review, I have even had the referral in my bag for over a week, better get that done!

Good luck with yours flower
 Quoting: MzTreeChick


Mmmmmm!!!

All warm and fuzzy!!!

Your best wishes are of course recipricated.

Having a medical background of a type, with what you say about your tests tells me a lot about what youve been through.

I trust that all is well behind you now and youve mended exceptionally well.

Why is it that all the crappy stuff happens to the very nicest of people?

Ive never been able to fathom that one out.

Anyway...cheers

and... BE WELL!!
 Quoting: arkay


Hey MzTreeChick...

havent seen you about for a while, hope I havent offended you in any way.

If I have it was unintended and I do apologize most profoundly.



The reason Im posting to you specifically is in relation to your mentioning of those tests.

I know you are an excellent researcher, but Im wondering if youve looked into the effects of FLOURIDE?

It is so common yet it causes so many health issues, etc.

Anwway, hope you are happy and well

All the very best

cheers
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another death 12 year old boy looking for confirmation sheet
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This is a very worrying event.

So many Australians holiday in Bali, and according to the reports, this victim's family are denying contact with poultry!

Another concerning matter is the fact that the family took the deceased boy home.

I am wondering how long this virus is contagous after it has killed its victim?

Can anyone shed some light on this please?
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is this not how the 1918 spanish flu started with the soldiers
I am searching for further information
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Bogota: Mysterious infection kills 1 soldier; 19 in quarantine (Link) ... 2012's second bird flu death confirmed (Link) .... (Note: It's stated that the strain isn't H5N1 but yet the hospitals have been put on alert. .... by an undetermined type of flu, a doctor at the Military Hospital in Bogota told the newspaper.
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