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The situation with H5N1 Avain influenza, over the recent past has fortunately been quiet.

This report is of a new ourbreak again in Nepal and it has affected more poultry farming with the usual devistating consequences.

Date: Tue 2 Jul 2013
Source: Ekantipur [edited]
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Bird flu (H5N1) virus has once again been seen in the capital. The deadly H5N1 strain was confirmed at a Gothathar-based farm.

The contagion was confirmed on Monday [1 Jul 2013] after an investigation of the layer chickens at the poultry farm. A sample from the chickens was sent to the Central Veterinary Laboratory after they started dying last week. Experts have been sent to destroy the chickens.

According to District Veterinary Office chief Dr. Bolraj Acharya, out of the 2000 chickens on the farm, 600 have already been culled, and the rest are also being killed. Acharya further stated that the District Veterinary Office is working on more strategies to stop the epidemic.

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02 Jul 2013 Avian influenza (76): Nepal (MM) H5N1, poultry

This next report is sadly the single report of human infection with H5N1 in recent times.

Tragically, the case was fatal an also sadly it has happened again in Cambodia where this year they have experienced a significant number of human H5N1 cases.

Date: Tue 2 Jul 2013
Source: English News, Xinhuanet report [edited]
[link to news.xinhuanet.com]


A 6-year-old girl from Cambodia's southwestern Kampot province has died of avian influenza H5N1, bringing the death toll to 9 and the number of cases to 13 so far this year [2013], a joint statement by the World Health Organization and the Cambodian Health Ministry said Tuesday [2 Jul 2013].

The girl was confirmed positive for human H5N1 avian influenza on Friday last week [28 Jun 2013] by L'Institut Pasteur du Cambodge, the statement said, adding that she developed fever and headache last Monday [24 Jun 2013], and her condition worsened with cough and dyspnea. The girl was taken to a private clinic until, last Friday, she was admitted to the Kantha Bopha Hospital with fever, dyspnea and cough, it said. "In the Kantha Bopha Hospital, the girl was treated with Tamiflu but died later in the night," it said. "There have been recent poultry deaths in the girl's village, and the girl was likely exposed to sick and dead poultry before she became sick."

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02 Jul 2013 Avian influenza, human (92): Cambodia (KP) H5N1, fatal

Happy to see you Arkay

Hi MzTreeChick.

And Im even more happy to see you hanging in here too.

If I was going to anticipate anyone having comments like yours, then you would have to be on top of my list.

Hope that you are truckin along as best you can.

You know how much I admire your persistance and spirit, so thank you for your comments and please keep on doing what you do so well.

We can all learn much from you.



Yep, Im a fan.

cheers

arkay

So, now even history holds the unequivical proof.

Unfortunately, attendance at this years Hajj by religous pilgrims will without question be putting the worlds population at serious risk.

This study both reinforces this assertion but also confirms by scientific testing tigor that these risks are a clear, present and approaching danger to the humanity of the world.

And the World Health Organisation in co-operation with, or blackmailed by, the Saudi Health Officials have permitted this situation to develop to today where it can no longer be slowed, stopped or prevented.

This IS the upcoming face of the world in the near future.

Be warned people, obtain all your protective face masks and alcohol cleansing lotions now while you still can.

All recent reports and commentary now are highlighting the approaching disaster, to varying levels of concern.

But without exception, now, they are ALL saying the same thing, its a WHEN, not an IF anymore.

We already knew this.

Date: Tue 9 Jul 2013
Source: Clinical Infectious Diseases [edited]
[link to cid.oxfordjournals.org]


Circulation of Respiratory Viruses Among Pilgrims During the 2012 Hajj Pilgrimage
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Abstract: The Hajj is the oldest and largest annual mass gathering in the world and may increase the risk of spread of respiratory viruses. We performed a prospective survey among a cohort of pilgrims departing from Marseille, France to Mecca in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (KSA) for the 2012 Hajj season. Nasal swabs were collected from participants and tested for 11 respiratory viruses by real-time reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction.

Of 165 participants sampled before departing to the KSA, 8 (4.8 percent) were positive for at least one virus (5 rhinovirus, one influenza C, one adenovirus, and one enterovirus). 70 symptomatic pilgrims underwent additional nasal swabs during their pilgrimage in the KSA, of which 27 (38.6 percent) were positive for at least one virus (19 rhinovirus, 6 influenza A, one influenza C, one respiratory syncytial virus (RSV) B, one metapneumovirus, one adenovirus, and one enterovirus). This was significantly higher than the 4.8 percent who were positive before departing for the KSA (P less than .001). Of 154 pilgrims sampled before leaving the KSA, 17 (11 percent) were positive for at least one virus (13 rhinovirus, 3 adenovirus, 2 influenza B, and one enterovirus), which was also significantly higher than the percentage of positive pilgrims (4.8 percent), before departing for the KSA (P = .040).

This study suggests a rapid acquisition of respiratory viruses among pilgrims during their stay in the KSA, most notably rhinovirus, and highlights the potential of spreading these infections in the pilgrims' home countries upon their return.

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30 Jul 2013 Respiratory virus infections - Saudi Arabia: Hajj pilgrims 2012

Note: even now the attempt to disguise even this article is being made buy NOT naming it appropriately.

See above heading!

From now on this author will revert to again referring to MERS-cov as previously done as being Saudi SARS.

My simple reason is that the Saudis have decidedly "earnt" this derogatory name because of their evil missmanagent of this matter and they simply deserve to suffer the international humiliation that their efforts will have directly contributed to unimaginable death, pain and suffering of so many people.

Let them rot in hell!

All of them.

arkay.

India is reporting that there has been 2 fresh outbreaks of H5N1 avian influenza, in poultry flocks there.

Date: Tue 6 Aug 2013
Source: The Poultry Site [edited]
[link to www.thepoultrysite.com]


There have been 2 outbreaks of H5N1 highly pathogenic avian influenza (HPAI) on poultry farms in the central state of Chhattisgarh.

The Indian veterinary authority sent an immediate notification dated 5 Aug 2013 to the World Organisation for Animal Health (OIE).

The report describes 2 outbreaks of HPAI at farms in the central Indian state of Chhattisgarh, both starting on 30 Jul 2013.

Of the 2149-strong flock at Anjora, the poultry production unit at the College of Veterinary Sciences and Animal Husbandry in Durg, 464 birds died.

At a government poultry farm in Jagadalpur, there were 3600 affected birds including 2392 deaths in the flock of 6293.

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06 Aug 2013 Avian influenza (81): India (CT) H5N1, poultry, OIE

After some considerable time, there has been a re-emergence of H7N9 influenza again in China.

This fresh case has appeared much closer to Hong Kong than previous cases and could pose a serious threat that if this deadly influenza strain again re-commences to spread through human populations, it could easily spread to Hong Kong where it would have devastating consequences.

As Hong Kong remains a significant travel hub for the region, there must be serious concerns if this bug manages to migrate there and gain any sort of significant foothold in the general population there, as this would provide the perfect opportunity for this bug to spread itself internationally in very time frames, making it almost if not completely unstoppable.

Date: Fri 9 Aug 2013
Source: South China Morning Post [edited]
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Hong Kong heath authorities said on Friday [9 Aug 2013] they were monitoring avian flu developments on the mainland after a woman in Guangdong [province] tested positive for the new H7N9 strain. The case involves a 51-year-old woman living in Huizhou, about 100 kilometres [about 62 miles] northeast of Hong Kong, who had contact with poultry before falling ill.

The woman had been tested positive for the H7N9 virus in Guangdong provincial laboratories, but her samples were being sent to Beijing for further tests to confirm the result, said Hong Kong Centre for Health Protection controller Dr Leung Ting-hung. Leung also said Guangdong authorities notified the centre of the case on Friday [9 Aug 2013]. In view of the large number of H7N9 cases in eastern China and the significant mortality rate among them, we must not underestimate the risk to our local citizens, said Dr Leung Ting-hung. The woman had contact with 36 people, none of whom have showed any bird flu symptoms, Leung said, citing information provided by Guangdong authorities.

The new H7N9 was 1st identified in eastern China, with the 1st known human case of the virus reported in March [2013]. So far, 134 cases have been reported, resulting in 43 deaths. Leung said that given the busy traffic between Hong Kong and the mainland, it was possible that the virus could spread into the city.

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09 Aug 2013 Avian influenza, human (103): China (GD) H7N9, new case

Despite what is hoped are their best efforts, reaserchers and investigators are still yet to locate the source of Saudi SARS.

Now with the ever rapidly approaching Hajj religous pilgrimage season and the recent completion of Ramadan it is difficult to see that this Saudi SARS or otherwise known as MERS-cov, will be containable before it is inevidibly and innocently spread throughout the would by this years millions of visiting pilgrims into the centre of this diseases current and so far confined residence.

Date: Fri 9 Aug 2013
Source: FAO Press release [edited]
[link to www.fao.org]


Understanding the potential role of animals in the emergence and spread of Middle Eastern respiratory syndrome (MERS) requires further investigation, analysis and study, FAO said today [9 Aug 2013]. Current evidence is not sufficient to identify the specific source, whether animal or otherwise, of the coronavirus that is causing MERS in humans.

Coronaviruses are a family of viruses that affect primarily birds and mammals. Some strains cause mild disease, while a limited number are more harmful (e.g. the severe acute respiratory syndrome [SARS] coronavirus). The MERS coronavirus has been shown to cause acute respiratory illness in humans. It has not yet been shown to cause disease in animals.

"It is not yet clear how people are becoming infected or where the virus might come from," stated Juan Lubroth, FAO Chief Veterinary Officer. "We do not have enough information to identify with certainty the virus's origin. Confirming the source and mechanisms of transmission and spread are key to developing ways to reduce the risks posed by this virus to humans or other countries."

A study led by the National Institute for Public Health and the Environment of the Netherlands and just published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases Journal provides some additional information [details in 20130809.1872008].

The study found antibodies for the MERS coronavirus or a similar virus in camel blood samples. The samples were taken in areas where human cases have not been reported. In some cases, the tested camels have been isolated from other camels for many years.

These antibody findings indicate that the MERS virus, or a similar coronavirus, occurs in some camels and potentially other species. However, the only way to know with any certainty whether the virus affecting humans is the same as the virus possibly affecting camels (or any other animal) is to isolate the virus in different species and compare them genetically.

To date, the MERS coronavirus has only been isolated in humans. Investigation and research in animal species must continue in order to shed light on potential animal sources. If and once identified, veterinary and public health authorities could better communicate how to prevent infection or institute specific control measures.

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11 Aug 2013 MERS-CoV - Eastern Mediterranean (53): animal reservoir, serology, FAO

Is this a simple case of paranoia?

At first glance one could be forgiven for thinking so, but then when those voicing these suspicions are people of their calibre, then some weight must be awarded to their assertions.

Also, not withstanding the obvious, there have been previous clear examples of the deliberate type sabotage being spoken of here to warrant considerable caution and care before simply jumping to simple and uncomplicated answers.

At the very least and even in the complete absence of any paranoia, all due dilligence is should alwys be the baseline standards from which to work from.

NO second party should ever place its blind trust into the integrity of those why provide what they claim to be safe products.

I definately endorse and condone any actions that cross-check and confirm the reliability all these issues, as simply we cant afford to be making mistakes, let along be used as lab rats.

'US vaccine may be behind bird flu'

BHAKTAPUR: A leading poultry farmer today said unauthorised use of vaccines meant to fight bird flu, especially a USA-made vaccine, may have caused bird flu outbreak in Bhaktapur.

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Tulsiram Dhukkhwa, chairman of the Poultry Farmers’ Association (Bhaktapur), said many poultry farmers in the district have complained that bird flu broke out in the district because of unauthorised use of vaccines. “Unauthorised vaccines are responsible for the bird flu outbreak in Kathmandu and Bhaktapur,” he said.

He said vaccines must have caused outbreak of bird flu in many places all at once. Dhukkhwa said powerful countries have been using poor countries like Nepal as a laboratory. “If Nepal has been used to test vaccine developed against bird flu in the USA, it is a misfortune,” he said. Dhukkhwa claimed that samples of dead birds have already reached America.

New news from Cambodia has revealed that this years larger than ever episode of H5N1 avian influenza human infections continues to slowly progress.

This report contains news of two fresh cases being detected there, both in children, who are at increased risk because of their tendency to play in places that can sometimes be contaminated with H5N1 bio-materials, such ans poultry faeces.

Date: Tue 13 Aug 2013
Source: English News, Xinhua report [edited]
[link to news.xinhuanet.com]


Two more new human cases of avian influenza have been confirmed for the H5N1 virus in Cambodia, bringing the number of cases to 16 so far this year [2013], a joint statement by the World Health Organization and the Cambodian Health Ministry said on Tuesday [13 Aug 2013].

The statement said that one case is a 9 year old boy from north western Battambang Province, who was admitted to the Jayavarman VII Hospital in Siem Reap with fever, cough, vomiting, abdominal pain, and dyspnea [difficulty breathing] on 4 Aug 2013, and was confirmed positive for human H5N1 avian influenza on Friday last week [9 Aug 2013]. "The boy is currently in a stable condition," the statement said.

The other case is a 5 year old girl from Southern Kandal Province who was admitted to Kantha Bopha Hospital in Phnom Penh on Friday last week [9 Aug 2013] with fever, cough, sore throat, abdominal pain, diarrhea, and dyspnea, and she was confirmed positive for human H5N1 avian influenza a day later. "The girl was treated with Tamiflu and is currently in a critical condition," it said.

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13 Aug 2013 Avian influenza, human (107): Cambodia, H5N1, update

Its just good advice to never let your guard down especially when you are dealing with our primary focus on this thread.

Recently there hasnt been a lot of significant new news to report and I admit to taking a step back from the commitment to report every crumb of information that surfaces.

However, I still do regularly check my primary sources for fresh developments and today this pops up.

While at this point in time, of itself, this is perhaps not too noteworthy other than to be aware that a new strain of influenza virus has been detected and now should be added to our watch list just an case something significant does develop.

As usual, the largest potential risk to humans will most likely be that should this strain manage to reassort itself with a more virulent strain that is active and already presenting some concerns, we could find ourselves having to deal with yet another threat in conjunction with the various others that are more or less active in various regions around the globe in these times.

It does 'feel' like the numbers of circulating strains are becoming more prolific as well as diversified, but that might just be missconception from focussing so heavily on the specific topic.

Time will tell, as always.

arkay

University of Hong Kong microbiologists have discovered a new strain of influenza virus in dead pigs at a slaughterhouse in Sheung Shui. The team has named the virus porcine parainfluenza virus 1 (PPIV-1). The swine virus is not expected to pose a significant health risk to humans as long as the pork they eat is well cooked. But a top researcher behind the study, microbiologist Yuen Kwok-yung, warned it might mutate and jump from pigs to humans.

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There are some very interresting observations being conveyed in this commentary regarding the evolution of H3N2, that are again being associated with the annual round of county fairs in the US.

For those who followed that saga last year, these sequences and the facts that they reveal again pose more questions than they answer, especially when placed against those very vexing questions that were originally raised last year.

This bug is just not behaving in the manner that it should be expected to display, again leaving annoying and unresolved questions that lie outside what is normal.

We shall wait and see what the good Professor has to further say about this topic as he gains greater quantities of information.

The only Ohio resident with confirmed H3N2 in 2013 had visited a agricultural fair in northwestern Virginia just prior to disease onset.

Similarly no cases have been reported in Minnesota this year although the July 11 isolate, A/swine/Minnesota/A01351603/2013, also matched 2012 human cases.

In contrast to the frequent detection of 2013 swine matches with 2012 human cases, only one swine sequence, A/swine/Illinois/A01432795/2013, isolated in June is closely related to the 2013 human cases, which all have a closely related H3 which has either N145K or K145R (the Illinois swine has N145K). Thus, there is significant discordance between swine sequences, where there is just one closely related to the human sequences, while all 16 human cases in 2012 are closely related even though they are linked to fairs and farms in Indiana, Virginia, and Illinois.

Moreover, the three most recent human cases (A/Ohio/05/2013, A/Illinois/03/2013, and A/Indiana/11/2013) all have an H1N1pdm09 PA gene segment (as well as an M gene segments) which is identical in the isolates from Illinois and Indiana and are virtually identical to the sequence from Virginia (diagnosed and confirmed in Ohio).

This discordance again suggests that humans are infecting swine, which is why the human sequences share changes that are rarely found in swine collections made prior to the fair season.

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At first glance this next article on the possible vector for H7N9 influenza that caused many infections and deaths earlier this year in China, struck me as pretty unlikely.

In fact even now, on reflection, to a degree it still does.

There are simply too many other what ifs, that this current proposal seems to be overlooking.

The outstanding fact that this particular virus does remain so detectable in such a high percentage of positive cases in their faeces, and that this is an almost unique characteristic not normally observed with other influenza viruses, is naturally very significant.

But this theory simply doesent explain the huge geographic jumps that the bug made overnight nor does it answer other factors like how it sustained transmissibility when wet poultry markets were closed.

The list goes on, and while the statistics are singly very compelling, the other open ends cant seem to tie in with the proposal.

Well at least in my opinion.

As I pointed out much earlier, Id be looking at the food sources for the poultry once they reached those wet markets, as opposed to the commercial foods that the large and unaffected commercial operations were using.

Date: Thu 15 Aug 2013
Source: South China Morning Post, Hong Kong [edited]
[link to www.scmp.com]


H7N9 bird flu may be spread through human faeces
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The H7N9 bird flu that emerged on the mainland in March [2013] may be spreading through human faeces, as university researchers found the virus in the stools of 4 out of 6 people killed by the [virus] in Zhejiang. Theoretically, the virus could spread in the same way as severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) did during the 2003 outbreak in Amoy Gardens, Kowloon Bay -- through sewage pipes -- University of Hong Kong microbiologist Yuen Kwok-yung, a top researcher behind the cross-border study, told the South China Morning Post.

"This has important implications for infection control strategies for H7N9 virus infection, as influenza virus in stools may contaminate the surrounding environment," Yuen and his team reported. But the team also suggested that the fact the virus may be transmitted via faeces was the reason why, so far, few cases of human-to-human infection had been recorded, Yuen said. Hong Kong University conducted the joint study with Zhejiang University's First Affiliated Hospital in Hangzhou and published the results in the Clinical Infectious Diseases journal on Tuesday [13 Aug 2013, but not yet available]. They tested 12 patients who were admitted to the intensive care unit between 10 and 23 Apr 2013, half of whom have died.

During postmortem tests, stool samples collected from 4 of the 6 fatalities returned positive results for the H7N9 strain. The rate -- 67 per cent -- was much higher compared with those found for human [seasonal] flu or H5N1 bird flu, which ranged from 5 per cent to 33 per cent, the report said. None of the blood or urine samples from the 6 dead patients carried H7N9.

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15 Aug 2013 Avian influenza, human (108): China (ZJ) H7N9, fecal spread

This has got to be a bit of a red herring.

There are now reports of three cats (domestic?...unstated)that have apparently died from the affects of Saudi SARS.

Really this isnt very significant news, H5N1 avian influenza is a known killer of cats in Egypt where they are quite prevelant in the city areas.

As mammals, and often sharing human living space, this situation is only surprising in that it hasnt been previously reported.

Any suggestion at this late time that these animals might be the reservour would be rediculous beyond comprehension, though I wouldnt put an attempt by either the World Health Organization, nor the Saudi health authorities for attempting such a stunt, given their performance to date in dealing with this deadly pandemic potential.

MERS-CoV kills 3 cats in the Eastern Region of Saudi Arabia
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A veterinary clinic in the eastern region [of Saudi Arabia] has recorded 3 deaths of cats infected with corona[virus] in 4 months.

According to the newspaper "Middle," the director of the clinic, Dr Khalid Ambassav explained that cats died for their inability to resist the virus. They suddenly stopped eating, had high body temperature above 40 deg C [104 deg F], "increased fluid in the cat's body, bulging stomach, lack of balance and inability to walk, and cirrhosis of the liver, and destroyed kidneys", resulting in the death in a period not exceeding

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15 Aug 2013 MERS-CoV - Eastern Mediterranean (54): feline reservoir susp, RFI

I am so disgusted to be an Australia.

Thank god we have an approaching election and a chance to rid of ouselves of a Prime Minister who looks more like a dictator in the country.

With this there can be no doubt that any and all concepts of freedom in this country are dictated by politicians.

Now parents have NO rights in relation to their children, but the government claims ultimate rights to those responsibilities.

This is out right meglomania.

Rot in hell Prime minister Rudd, you asnd your cohorts are arrogant pigs.

Oh and contary to the arrertions of this article, there are many well based and PIER reviewed science studies that DO case doubt on some vaccinations, so pull your bloody head in, and stow your bullshit political spin, Australians are more educated than you give credit for.

I am furious.

arkay

The Federal Government will today announce parents who choose not to have their children vaccinated will miss out on thousands of dollars in government benefits.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd will announce that those who do not vaccinate their children will not get the Family Tax Benefit A end-of-year supplement.

The payment is worth $726 per child, per year and is paid when children are vaccinated at one, two and five years of age.

Since last year, parents who have not immunised their children have not received the benefit; however, those registering as so-called conscientious objectors have.

Under Labor's policy, exemptions would only be made on religious or medical grounds.

Labor says it wants to boost immunisation rates and prevent children who are not vaccinated from getting diseases like whooping cough and measles, and putting others at risk.

The Government says the science of immunisation "cannot be disputed".

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Wow arkay, that is a big bucket of BS right there.
My heart goes out to those parents. With the issue of vaccination, I thank my lucky stars on a very regular basis. I had severe allergies as child, vaccines among them. I have medical grounds for refusal when it comes to my daughter, although I do have to file an exemption yearly with the school board. Even in Canada, contentious objectors are sometimes given a difficult time.

Hi Vic-chick its good to see you.

Yes, I cant agree more.

There can be no room to tollerate any government assuming blanket policy that ignores the sacrosanct right of a parent and their responsibilities in rearing their podgeny.

Educate by all means, but outright lying to push some poorly founded belief system it inexcusable in the highest order.

Anybody would think that they are talking about bubonic plague.

The demands these policies insist are far out of balance with reasonable educated considerations and are simply not warranted given the insideous nature of this type of dictatorial behavour.

What will be next?

I have started a new thread on this topic, perhaps regular and informed readers on this thread might like to contribute on that thread.

this behavour demands commentary.

Please contribute, all appropriate discussion is as always highly valued.

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cheers

arkay

googd to see you still going strong hope all is well

hi arkay from tunisia

Thanks for your comment, but to be honest it does seem that nobody is interrested in supporting this thread unless I unput at length on very regular intervals, which I have willingly done till now.

I do check in regularly though and I am just a bit dissapointed that I seem to be the main contributor which was never the intent.

I hope that that might change.

Here's hoping as there is a great deal to update and report on, but I simply dont want to be the one who has to shoulder the complete load, apart from the fact that my view alone gives a slanted view, no matter how I might try to avoid that.

Sometimes I do intend to be opinionated and very challenging when the situation requires, but that still denies good balance, so I appeal to everyone to come forward and to add your commentary and views in the interest of presenting a balanced forum on a topic that time has proven to be of value.

Im still here and will continue to monitor activity, but Im simply not prepared to devote up to 5 hours a day without appropriate support.

Sorry if my limits have to be stated in this way.

cheers to all, and please lets get back to what we all do best.

Take the time to be involved.

arkay.

Hi Tunisia.

I am guessing but I think I recognise your signature.

Am I correct?

arkay

I had to do that just to give followers a chance to read the previous posts, respectfully inviting greater reader participation.

Hope you all forgive me for the persistance.

cheers

arkay

We're never too far away Arkay.

hi arkay yes in north africa for now , soon in saudi arabia
saudi arabia next if things goaccourding to plan , hope all is well with you and your family , speak to you soon .

What can I say.

Ever reliable and completely dependable.

You are a very serious standout in this special thread and you make the effort worthwhile.

We are fortunate to be graced with your ever constant presence.

I hope that your health has improved, but whatever, dont ever change the exceptional lady that you always have been and continue to be.

There is a vast lake of humanity that could learn so much from you.

Rest assured, while I always suspect that you are never too far away, it does bring great joy to me to simply see you here and showing your special presence.

My absolute and total bst appreciation for all your eforts and continued presence here.

cheers, especially and very personally from me just for being who you are.

arkay

I thought so!

Well it is still a pleasant thing that you continue to show your presence here but only you!

You are always welcome, you recognise the connection.

Hopefully there will be an opportunity to loosen some ridiculous and seriously misplaced restraints.

You know that genuine respect and morals arent something that can be influenced and I do look forward to your more typical involvement.

I believe that you understand my perspective, and that is something that only one us of can do something about.

Cause for reflection and reassesments perhaps, I am certainly wanting to find some way for that to occur, but maybe I need some subtle guidance, perhaps there is still a way to see light, I believe so.

Its a simple matter of clear thinking and application, dont you think.

In the mean time I am happy to see you back here, perhaps I might make a more serious effort to attempt to re-stimulate this thread.

Any thoughts please.

They alone continue to be valued and respected.

cheers,

arkay

ps, Please be careful in the peninsular, I know you will but...!

things are reasonably peacful here , a few deaths last month of military nature. sad and my condolences go out to the failies involved.
As always Arkay you manage to keep things rolling along quiten
well.
May spend some time in Algeria shortly you;ll know when I am there much more worrisome than tunisia, then hopefully saudi arabia then two weeks in uk,

Well it is still a pleasant thing that you continue to show your presence here but only you



as i said before Arkay there were messages sent via other computor but i am not going to quibble of this, you will believe as you wish , so how are things Arkay?