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The U.S. was NEVER intended to be a Christian nation...PLEASE READ!!!

 
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The original Constitution of the United States that was ratified in 1789 had only one reference to religion:[Article 6] No religious Test shall ever be requiredas a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

The de facto motto of the United States, adopted as part of the Great Seal of the US by an Act of Congress in 1782, was E. Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One). Congress changed it 174 years later (1956) to "In God We Trust."

The original 'Pledge of Allegiance' was written in 1892 by Baptist Minister Francis Bellamy who DID NOT INCLUDE the words "Under God." Those were added by Congress 62 years later (1954).

The U.S. didn't issue Paper Currency until 1861 and 'In God We Trust didn't appear on it for 96 years (1957).

Just after the Red Scare in the 1950's,CONGRESS CHANGED the Pledge of Allegiance and our Nation's Motto over the FEAR of COMMUNISM.

In a time when fear is traded like a commodity and the word SOCIALISM is being used to create the same fear as the old word COMMUNISM, lets REMEMBER that our country was NOT founded on fear. NO OUR NATION was founded out of HOPE for a better world where all people were EQUAL - that we were ONE from MANY.

Let's not let fear change our nation's great tradition & direction again.
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historical revisionist - Harvard was a hundred and forty years old win the declaration was signed, this country was conquered by protestant Christians escaping the old world to have a place to practice there faith.
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The original Constitution of the United States that was ratified in 1789 had only one reference to religion:[Article 6] No religious Test shall ever be requiredas a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

The de facto motto of the United States, adopted as part of the Great Seal of the US by an Act of Congress in 1782, was E. Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One). Congress changed it 174 years later (1956) to "In God We Trust."

The original 'Pledge of Allegiance' was written in 1892 by Baptist Minister Francis Bellamy who DID NOT INCLUDE the words "Under God." Those were added by Congress 62 years later (1954).

The U.S. didn't issue Paper Currency until 1861 and 'In God We Trust didn't appear on it for 96 years (1957).

Just after the Red Scare in the 1950's,CONGRESS CHANGED the Pledge of Allegiance and our Nation's Motto over the FEAR of COMMUNISM.

In a time when fear is traded like a commodity and the word SOCIALISM is being used to create the same fear as the old word COMMUNISM, lets REMEMBER that our country was NOT founded on fear. NO OUR NATION was founded out of HOPE for a better world where all people were EQUAL - that we were ONE from MANY.

Let's not let fear change our nation's great tradition & direction again.
 Quoting: TheTruthIzColorBlind


Okay - I'll try.

In the strict sense you are correct. What you and others who take this path overlook is that all except one of the founding fathers were Christian. In fact, when they were writing the Consitiution and hit a particularly rough spot - Thomas Jefferson suggested that they adjourn and go together for prayer. There are hunderds of examples just as stark found in the well documented actions, words, speeches and writings of those who penned the Constitution.

All men being created equal is a Christian world view - not Islamic, not Jewish. Like it or not, Christian faith and values had a very great deal to do with the founding of our country and was an influence on those who founded it.

We are close to the day when our government no longer views human life as sacred because it is solely created by God. Be careful friend - the day they get that idea totally washed from our thought and laws is the day your life - and mine - are immediately worth no more than they believe we can produce for the "common good" in return for eating.

Your turn....
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Okay - I'll try.

In the strict sense you are correct. What you and others who take this path overlook is that all except one of the founding fathers were Christian. In fact, when they were writing the Consitiution and hit a particularly rough spot - Thomas Jefferson suggested that they adjourn and go together for prayer. There are hunderds of examples just as stark found in the well documented actions, words, speeches and writings of those who penned the Constitution.

All men being created equal is a Christian world view - not Islamic, not Jewish. Like it or not, Christian faith and values had a very great deal to do with the founding of our country and was an influence on those who founded it.

We are close to the day when our government no longer views human life as sacred because it is solely created by God. Be careful friend - the day they get that idea totally washed from our thought and laws is the day your life - and mine - are immediately worth no more than they believe we can produce for the "common good" in return for eating.

Your turn....

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one star for being a moran
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The original Constitution of the United States that was ratified in 1789 had only one reference to religion:[Article 6] No religious Test shall ever be requiredas a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

The de facto motto of the United States, adopted as part of the Great Seal of the US by an Act of Congress in 1782, was E. Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One). Congress changed it 174 years later (1956) to "In God We Trust."

The original 'Pledge of Allegiance' was written in 1892 by Baptist Minister Francis Bellamy who DID NOT INCLUDE the words "Under God." Those were added by Congress 62 years later (1954).

The U.S. didn't issue Paper Currency until 1861 and 'In God We Trust didn't appear on it for 96 years (1957).

Just after the Red Scare in the 1950's,CONGRESS CHANGED the Pledge of Allegiance and our Nation's Motto over the FEAR of COMMUNISM.

In a time when fear is traded like a commodity and the word SOCIALISM is being used to create the same fear as the old word COMMUNISM, lets REMEMBER that our country was NOT founded on fear. NO OUR NATION was founded out of HOPE for a better world where all people were EQUAL - that we were ONE from MANY.

Let's not let fear change our nation's great tradition & direction again.
 Quoting: TheTruthIzColorBlind


Okay - I'll try.

In the strict sense you are correct. What you and others who take this path overlook is that all except one of the founding fathers were Christian. In fact, when they were writing the Consitiution and hit a particularly rough spot - Thomas Jefferson suggested that they adjourn and go together for prayer. There are hunderds of examples just as stark found in the well documented actions, words, speeches and writings of those who penned the Constitution.

All men being created equal is a Christian world view - not Islamic, not Jewish. Like it or not, Christian faith and values had a very great deal to do with the founding of our country and was an influence on those who founded it.

We are close to the day when our government no longer views human life as sacred because it is solely created by God. Be careful friend - the day they get that idea totally washed from our thought and laws is the day your life - and mine - are immediately worth no more than they believe we can produce for the "common good" in return for eating.

Your turn....
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Americans are the bastard sons of coward protestants that fled Europe rather than standing up and fighting like real men.
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Americans are the bastard sons of coward protestants that fled Europe rather than standing up and fighting like real men.
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You're an absolute fucking moron. America was a colony of England that got sick of TYRANNY. What did they do about it? They kicked the shit out of the greatest empire on the Earth. They became a free nation. You have no idea what a real man is.

The founding fathers were Christians, but realized that a nation should not have a religion forced upon it's people.
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Well, America was composed 98% of
Christians, so, if the Constitution
had no reference to God
then it's not worth much.
We were all hoodwinked.

Today, they certainly do not go
by the Constitution
so stop worshiping the Freemasons.

Washington has been nothing but problems
since day 01, 1776.

1776-ILLUMINATI

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So, again, confused person states that this country was never meant to be a "christian" nation. That statement is true, as far as it goes. But the fact is always missed that our founding fathers ALL believed in a higher power, a CREATOR, who endowed we the people with our rights. Rights that should never be ascribed to a secular government. The idea of "separation of church and state" that everyone throws out when the subject is raised never came from the Constitution. It came from the Federalist Papers, written after the ratification. Yes, I know, everyone will talk about the "mormons", the "christians", the "jewish people", the whatever. All these names putting the screws to everyone, making the name the product, not the message. This country was started with the idea that all men (using the term to mean all of mankind) are created equal. If men do not or have not lived up to that ideal, including the Founding Fathers, that simply means that we all fall short of the ideal set by our Creator. That does not mean we should throw out the ideal. By and large, if you believe in a Creator, that usually means that you have some sort of moral code, which, if adhered to, will guide you through life. I think that was what the Founding Fathers wanted, a moral country. Instead, we have allowed the dilution of our moral codes to spread to every aspect of life, and we are all the poorer for it. That code was well understood by the people of that time, so they did not include it in their business dealings, of which the Constitution certainly was. If you look at all of the papers, letters, and writings of the time, there is no shortage of references to religion.
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Americans are the bastard sons of coward protestants that fled Europe rather than standing up and fighting like real men.
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The story goes that the first pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution - only to start burning their own at the stake in the name of eligion. I never could figure that out. I guess they didn't want to be the persecutees - they wanted to be the persecutors.

Kind of like europe did with jewish people. They said they re-established the nation of Israel so jewish people would have a safe homeland, so they sent the jewish people to palestine and divided up the land. Then they act like they are doing God a favor and
"blessing" Israel, so they can be blessed on Gods promise.

They clearly know that God curses a people that divides his land, and they didn't send the jewish people to israel as a favor to God so the jewish people could be safe. There was no threat anymore, the war was over and Hitler was dead. The brits sent the jewish people to palestine because they didn't want them in europe. They took them out of a newly safe situation, and sent them to palestine to be in peril again. Then they expect God to bless them because they "say" Bless israel.

Christianity is so absurd. No wonder so many people just turn to atheism. If christianity is the best thing out there, it s a sad state of affairs for mankind.
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Americans are the bastard sons of coward protestants that fled Europe rather than standing up and fighting like real men.
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So tell me... why is it exactly that you are in NZ??
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So, again, confused person states that this country was never meant to be a "christian" nation. That statement is true, as far as it goes. But the fact is always missed that our founding fathers ALL believed in a higher power, a CREATOR, who endowed we the people with our rights. Rights that should never be ascribed to a secular government. The idea of "separation of church and state" that everyone throws out when the subject is raised never came from the Constitution. It came from the Federalist Papers, written after the ratification. Yes, I know, everyone will talk about the "mormons", the "christians", the "jewish people", the whatever. All these names putting the screws to everyone, making the name the product, not the message. This country was started with the idea that all men (using the term to mean all of mankind) are created equal. If men do not or have not lived up to that ideal, including the Founding Fathers, that simply means that we all fall short of the ideal set by our Creator. That does not mean we should throw out the ideal. By and large, if you believe in a Creator, that usually means that you have some sort of moral code, which, if adhered to, will guide you through life. I think that was what the Founding Fathers wanted, a moral country. Instead, we have allowed the dilution of our moral codes to spread to every aspect of life, and we are all the poorer for it. That code was well understood by the people of that time, so they did not include it in their business dealings, of which the Constitution certainly was. If you look at all of the papers, letters, and writings of the time, there is no shortage of references to religion.
 Quoting: Mr. Miracle 10364049


You should have stopped typing after that sentence.
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So, again, confused person states that this country was never meant to be a "christian" nation. That statement is true, as far as it goes. But the fact is always missed that our founding fathers ALL believed in a higher power, a CREATOR, who endowed we the people with our rights. Rights that should never be ascribed to a secular government. The idea of "separation of church and state" that everyone throws out when the subject is raised never came from the Constitution. It came from the Federalist Papers, written after the ratification. Yes, I know, everyone will talk about the "mormons", the "christians", the "jewish people", the whatever. All these names putting the screws to everyone, making the name the product, not the message. This country was started with the idea that all men (using the term to mean all of mankind) are created equal. If men do not or have not lived up to that ideal, including the Founding Fathers, that simply means that we all fall short of the ideal set by our Creator. That does not mean we should throw out the ideal. By and large, if you believe in a Creator, that usually means that you have some sort of moral code, which, if adhered to, will guide you through life. I think that was what the Founding Fathers wanted, a moral country. Instead, we have allowed the dilution of our moral codes to spread to every aspect of life, and we are all the poorer for it. That code was well understood by the people of that time, so they did not include it in their business dealings, of which the Constitution certainly was. If you look at all of the papers, letters, and writings of the time, there is no shortage of references to religion.
 Quoting: Mr. Miracle 10364049


You should have stopped typing after that sentence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1386821


I agree Mr. Miracle. I mean, how many times can you tell these people the same information that they would already know if they did the research they claim to have done? They obviously didn't care when they did their research or they are just spewing forth the same misrepresentations that they heard from somebody else who didn't bother to tell the whole story.

You give a man the facts, but you can't make them believe.

People these days only hear what is agreeable to their cause. If it doesn't support their ideals, then they pretend it doesn't exist. They say to themselves...."Self, I see the information there, but I figure that if I don't read it, then it didn't happen and if it didn't happen then I am right."

Thats ok.

Oh to be a fly on the wall when they meet their maker (whomever they believe that to be)and try to convince their maker and themselves all over again that they were right even though they failed to study the available material.

Mr Miracle, you have far more patience than I.
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Okay - I'll try.

In the strict sense you are correct. What you and others who take this path overlook is that all except one of the founding fathers were Christian. In fact, when they were writing the Consitiution and hit a particularly rough spot - Thomas Jefferson suggested that they adjourn and go together for prayer. There are hunderds of examples just as stark found in the well documented actions, words, speeches and writings of those who penned the Constitution.

All men being created equal is a Christian world view - not Islamic, not Jewish. Like it or not, Christian faith and values had a very great deal to do with the founding of our country and was an influence on those who founded it.

We are close to the day when our government no longer views human life as sacred because it is solely created by God. Be careful friend - the day they get that idea totally washed from our thought and laws is the day your life - and mine - are immediately worth no more than they believe we can produce for the "common good" in return for eating.

Your turn....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1526405




WRONG!

The "founding fathers" were "deists" to the public (they NEVER claimed to be Christian, only "DEISTS") but Illuminists i.e. Luciferians. That is why Illuminatus Thomas Jefferson has a GIANT OBELISK on his grave, which was erect PER HIS REQUEST.
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Americans are the bastard sons of coward protestants that fled Europe rather than standing up and fighting like real men.
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You're an absolute fucking moron. America was a colony of England that got sick of TYRANNY. What did they do about it? They kicked the shit out of the greatest empire on the Earth. They became a free nation. You have no idea what a real man is.

The founding fathers were Christians, but realized that a nation should not have a religion forced upon it's people.
 Quoting: samuraistuart 1514012



WRONG!

You are repeating PROPAGANDA!

The U.S. is STILL a British colony. The Treaty of Paris of 1783 (which no doubt you have NOT read) PROVES it!
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Americans are the bastard sons of coward protestants that fled Europe rather than standing up and fighting like real men.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3767410


You're an absolute fucking moron. America was a colony of England that got sick of TYRANNY. What did they do about it? They kicked the shit out of the greatest empire on the Earth. They became a free nation. You have no idea what a real man is.

The founding fathers were Christians, but realized that a nation should not have a religion forced upon it's people.
 Quoting: samuraistuart 1514012


Yeah, but now they have tyranny and do nothing about it.
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[link to vftonline.org]

THE SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES
HOLY TRINITY CHURCH v. THE UNITED STATES
143 U.S. 457, 12 S.Ct. 511, 36 L.Ed. 226
February 29, 1892

Unless we are willing to conclude that the 1892 Supreme Court of the United States was supremely ignorant or supremely deceptive, we must admit that America was founded as a Christian nation, and nothing in the U.S. Constitution changed that
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The story goes that the first pilgrims came here to escape religious persecution - only to start burning their own at the stake in the name of religion.
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No truth in that story. Rome was the only one burning people at the stake. Since the holy roman empire ended we no longer see this. Although she runs the 1776-nwo too.

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