Why do people think MUFON is a credible UFO research organization? It is an obvious disinformation campaign run by the US govt.

Who is the author of this piece? It hardly proves MUFON to be an "obvious disinformation campaign run by the US government." It reads more like yet another example of the internecine squabbling and name calling that has long characterized ufology.

Thanks, it just genuinely surprises me how many people fall for the same MUFON BS over and over again especially on this site.

The majority of the time I guarantee they submit their own doctored photos for review and release to the public. Then they see how many sheeple flock to the supposed "evidence" and support such obvious hoaxes.

They are a "filter" organization placed by the US govt. not only to spread disinfo., but also to collect and contain the real info.

It is at the bottom of the piece, James Carrion.

The sheer fact the FAA states this in reference to the UFO phenomenon makes it questionable at best:

"Persons wanting to report UFO/unexplained phenomena activity should contact a UFO/ unexplained phenomena reporting data collection center, such as Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies." -FAA advises Air Traffic Controllers

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I don't need proof, it's just common sense.

Yes I know . And I also know the "real info" isn't what most think.

I think mufon is a sham. Old farts doing nothing but accepting UFO reports and making money telling lies.

MUFON is just an idiotic bullshit organization, and you really don't need to read any more into it than that. They may have been somebody years ago, but now it's just pure bullshit for profit with all the shit they sell. They even promote hoaxed UFO reports in the media just for media exposure. I wouldn't call them if a UFO landed on my front lawn.

Why do people think MUFON is a credible UFO research organization? It is an obvious disinformation campaign run by the US govt.

Not according to Mulder...

You are right. Mufon has really no value.

everybody know that aliens will contact us through youtube.

Who the hell thinks MUFON is credible???

not me

What's ironic is MUFON does exactly the same thing they accuse the government of doing. They collect UFO data and keep it to themselves and hidden from public. Only the privileged high ranking few in MUFON actually get to look at the data in a meaningful way. UFO witnesses are kept hidden and separated from each other so they can't get together to discuss a common sighting. For example, lets say you see a major sighting like the one in Phoenix in 1997. If thousands of people saw it the same night you did, wouldn't know it through MUFON and you'd never be able to get in contact with the other witnesses through MUFON. Only high ranking MUFON elite would know how many people witnessed the event and who they were. So MUFON doesn't really help you one bit if you report your sighting to them. You're left stranded and all alone, unable to contact the other witnesses. Your only recourse would be to organize your own "bulletin board" and meeting facility. The only people who really benefit from your UFO report are the high ranking few in the MUFON hierarchy, and you don't even know who they are.

Thanks for posting this. MUFON is most definitely NOT a credible organization since it collects information on UFO sightings but does not make its archives available to researchers. This alone should give anyone pause. In academia, it automatically discredits an institution that adopts this policy. MUFON is therefore a SUSPECT organization through and through. Further, to explain the UFO sighting in Miraflores (Feb. 10, 2015), MUFON PERU posted questionable testimony and a photograph "proving" that the UFO of Feb. 10 was a kite -- an obvious sham. In doing so, it also buttressed position taken by the Peruvian Air Force (Fuerza Aerea Peruana or FAP) which also put out the same false information. For those not in the know, the Peruvian Air Force works closely with US government agencies patroling the skies for ET craft and cleaning up whatever crashes occur in the mountains and jungle. FAP pilots are not all created equal, as retired members have testified that they have had close encounters with UFOs. But as a government agency the FAP is not any more credible when it comes to UFOs than the US military which is invested in keeping this information secret and in confounding the public by producing less-than-credible witnesses with bogus information; (i.e., obvious plants). Fortunately, Dr. Anthony Choy has rebuffed the FAP's and MUFON's explanations underscoring the metereological conditions of the day (a clear, extremely WINDY day), and the fact that the real UFO stayed stationary for 2 hours (close to the coast). MUFON PERU therefore is a DISINFORMATION AGENT likely founded by USG agencies. This reminds me... Back in the 1970s, Miraflores also experienced another CLEAR sighting at night. The craft was stationary for hours over the ocean. It was not a plane as it was brighter than anything anyone had ever seen. Indeed, it was large circular craft. The entire neighborhood came out and marveled. Back then there was no MUFON PERU, so the press took up the role of disinforming the public and noting that this had not been a UFO but a special effect, a trick of some sort. Those of us who read the press report laughed and tossed the paper aside. Not one person who saw this craft gave this report any credence as we knew what we had seen. Now there is MUFON PERU which has taken upon itself the role of "vetting" sightings and setting the record "straight" by doing exactly the opposite. Do yourself a favor and stay as far away from MUFON as possible.

Bigelow Aerospace Involvement In Mass UFO Sightings Confirmed!


This recent article is interesting because regardless of peoples personal opinions regarding my ET Contact, parts of my story such as being contacted by Bigelow Aerospace, the owners of the now famous Skinwalker Ranch are now being confirmed by the UFO Community and being reported by the likes of the famous “Filer’s Files”. In this new Filer’s Files. It is proven Gery Hernadez did work for Bigelow Aerospace and he’s exactly who I said he was. I find it strange there are people out there thinking I am making this stuff up. I couldn’t make this stuff up if a tried.” – Michael Lee Hill

“Michael Lee Hill has made some extraordinary claims on many Ufology blogs, web community pages and TV shows but one is very interesting and somewhat plausible. He claims that in 2010 an investigator for Bigelow Aerospace Corporation named Gary Hernandez contacted him concerning his orb sightings requesting that Michael divulge the coordinates of his orb sighting locations. A search of Linkedin.com reveals that indeed a Gary Henandez with an extensive law enforcement background did work for Bigelow as an investigator on “Classified Projects” from 2010 till 2011. The point of all this is that we have a billionaire aerospace tycoon apparently interested in the coordinates in the Lake Erie Orange Orb sightings. If they are just airplanes like MUFON says – why? If Michael Lee Hill is a charlatan – why?” – Robert Spearing, publisher of [link to www.worldufowatch.com] (Filer’s Files December 3, 2014)

If the claim is true it casts Orange Orbs in a whole new light. Robert Bigelow is a billionaire real estate developer from Nevada that made his fortune with his hotel chain holdings. His aerospace company has launched two modules for the International Space Station. He sees a future for his company in space tourism. Mr. Bigelow also has an interest in UFOs. It stems from childhood when his grandparents were almost killed in their car evading an Orange Orb in their path. His now defunct National Institute for Discovery Science collected UFO sightings (especially Black Triangle sightings) until 2004. In 2009, Mr. Bigelow entered into a much maligned and ill-fated financial partnership with MUFON (a non-profit) which quickly came undone. Mr. Bigelow also owns the infamous Skinwalker Ranch which is a hot bed of cattle mutilations and Orange Orb sightings. And an even more telling fact is that the Federal Aviation Administration now defers UFO sightings by pilots to Bigelow Aerospace. The point of all this is that we have a billionaire aerospace tycoon apparently interested in the coordinates in the Lake Erie Orange Orb sightings.

If they are just airplanes like MUFON says – why?

If Michael Lee Hill is a charlatan – why?



BAASS means ‘Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies’, and sounds like a government organization. However, it is not. It is a company, owned by real estate billionaire Robert Bigelow of Las Vegas, Nevada.[12] In late 2009, Robert Bigelow made a deal with MUFON (the ‘Mutual UFOs Network), which is officially a non-profit organization which investigates UFO sightings. It is one of the largest and oldest UFO organizations in the United States. Bigelow has promised to provide MUFON with whatever they need to find actual hardcore proof of the existence of alien spacecraft (and of course, alien beings). This means, foremost, alien debris of crashed UFOs etc. For many UFO enthusiasts, this is met with both positive and negative responses. Positive in the sense that MUFON now have the funding they need to expand their investigations, and negative in the sense that some feel that MUFON is now owned by Bigelow. And MUFON has been working as an independent research group, allegedly.

However, the above debate is probably not even what is the most relevant. In a policy from the U.S. Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration, Order JO 7110.65U with effective date, February 9, 2012, it says under Section 8. Unidentified Flying Object (UFO) Reports:

9-8-1. GENERAL

a. Persons wanting to report UFO/unexplained phenomena activity should contact a UFO/ unexplained phenomena reporting data collection center, such as Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS) (voice: 1-877-979-7444 or e-mail: [email protected]), the National UFO Reporting Center, etc.

b. If concern is expressed that life or property might be endangered, report the activity to the local law enforcement department.[13]

This should be quite concerning for the serious UFO enthusiast and researcher, because it shows a definite link between Robert Bigelow’s BAASS and the Federal Government. So the FAA, as of February 2012, wants us to report UFO sightings to a private company, under the disguise of a very government sounding name (similar to the ‘Federal Reserve’, which is not Federal at all, but privately owned by International bankers, such as the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers). And of course, if we follow the trail, we find MUFON on the other side, collecting funds from Bigelow, who has his government connection. So, privacy and integrity is therefore most likely to go out the window, although I’m sure MUFON hasn’t been working in public interest for many, many years. This is all, as usual, just the tiniest tip of the iceberg.

So, how does Robert Bigelow come into the picture in regards to the Eastlake UFOs, which is the story line for this paper? Well, in the midst of all happenings in Michael Lee Hill’s life, he was contacted by Investigator Gary Hernandez, who said he was looking into the Lake Erie phenomenon. In August of 2010, Hernandez sent a message on Michael’s facebook page, inquiring about what Michael knew about the Eastlake UFOs. In short, they communicated some back and forth, and Michael was sharing some information with the investigator, because he wanted the story to come out in the open as much, and as soon as possible.

In November, curiously enough, Investigator Hernandez, in a facebook message I have in my possession, told Michael there were certain things he couldn’t tell him due to the nature of a contract Hernandez had signed. He added, “I don’t want to disappear now!”, indicating that he was at great risk if he told Michael about classified things. A few days after that he wrote: “In regards to BAASS I am the only investigator who has been revealed through the Isles of Capri, Fla., Niagara Falls, Canada , the Lake Erie incident and the skin walker ranch .org website [Wes’ emphasis] under whos [sic] involved (it just so happened that I was an aggresive [sic] investigator and was written about often). If the report is viewed by the screeners I will be identified. I would like to speak about it but we must keep BAASS out of it for it is a keyword in the system.”

Apparently, Hernandez wanted to keep the Skinwalker Ranch in low profile as well, breaking up the web address in several parts (see bold emphasis above). We will discuss that place a little bit as well in a moment, but first, let’s see what he meant when he was telling Michael about being the ‘aggressive investigator’. Let’s back up a little bit.

Eugene Ehrlikh of Cleveland, Ohio, had filmed some UFOs over Lake Erie, and the media got involved in the case, just like it had with Michael Lee Hill. So MUFON thought they should get involved as well, and sent an investigator named Tom Wertmen to the sighting spot. MUFON’s conclusion over what they saw was planet Venus, but they changed their minds saying that what Ehrlikh had filmed was aircraft coming in and out over Lake Erie from Hopkins-Cleveland International Airport. Investigator Wertmen allegedly had spoken to traffic controllers at the airport, but no references or names were disclosed. This event has been documented by Lon Strickler on his blogspot.[14]

Strickler continues to report that both Ehrlikh and Hill simultaneously had filmed the same UFO event over the lake, without any knowledge of each other. Both were then presenting their material on ‘The Alien Agenda’ radio show. A few days later, on April 8, 2010, Ehrlikh was called by someone who introduced himself as an investigator from BAASS, something which was later confirmed as being correct. The caller introduced himself, and although Strickler doesn’t mention him by name, the investigator was Gary Hernandez. Hernandez then demanded that Ehrlikh gave him the exact coordinates where the sighting had taken place, and when Ehrlikh started questioning the caller, Hernandez told him that these lights were not of terrestrial origin, but alien, and that there was big money involved in trying to get this technology. Ehrlikh then hung up the phone. Ehrlikh didn’t have any particular problem, allegedly, to talk to MUFON or some other UFO investigative organization, but like Strickler says, when someone calls, beings quite ‘aggressive’, and demanding information from the witness, it is indeed time to question the motives of the caller.

So, Hernandez is calling both Ehrlikh and Hill to investigate the sighting, and he reveals to the first that this is alien technology that we are seeing in the skies above the lake (and if he is correct, in other parts of the world, too), and that there is a lot of money invested in this. And indeed, although he seems to have had more cold feet when talking to Michael, in the beginning of their communication he hinted at the same thing, saying (and I quote): “In Regards to the Lights over Lake Erie I am not absolutely convinced that they are coming from conventional aircraft. As an investigator I must be completely objective with any UFO reports which has had multiple witnesses. BAASS employees are paid professionals, all the investigators are formal Law enforcement detectives who have a higher level set of skills and experience. MUFON Takes anyone who pays the money and passes the test and works for free. That does not make them a credible source for information for me to except [sic] they’re [sic] conclusion.”

However, as time went by and he apparently got more confident with Michael, he told Michael that they knew what the Lake Erie phenomenon is, because it is the exact thing that is happening in Hessdalen, Norway. But not only there; these object were also flying over Utah Skinwalker Ranch, which is owned by Robert Bigelow! He said that his conclusion regarding these orbs is not that they are what people think and expect, which would be ‘physical metal, nuts & bolts UFOs’, as he put it, but instead more like portals and have to do with time travel. These were Hernandez’ own words, according to Michael Lee Hill.

“In Regards to the Lights over Lake Erie I am not absolutely convinced that they are coming from conventional aircraft. As an investigator I must be completely objective with any UFO reports which has had multiple witnesses. BAASS employees are paid professionals, all the investigators are formal Law enforcement detectives who have a higher level set of skills and experience. MUFON Takes anyone who pays the money and passes the test and works for free. That does not make them a credible source for information for me to except they’re conclusion.” – Gary Hernandez Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies Investigator

UFOs have been appearing in our skies for thousands of years.

But now something new is happening. It is the “Orb Triangle” phenomena.

Orbs of light in a triangle formation are appearing above cities all over the world.

These lights are not airplanes, helicopters, or RC planes. Nor are they balloons with lights, flares, Chinese lanterns, or any sort of freely floating object.
This is clear because they always form a perfect triangle. They are individual “orbs” of light which can and do move independently. Yet often three of them will move into a triangular formation. Other individual orbs will somtimes accompany the triangle.

The Orb Triangles have appeared above New York, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Detroit, El Paso…

Listen to what Army Colonel John Alexander says about the conclusion that the Bigelow Skinwalker group have come to regarding who is behind the Skinwalker Ranch phenomenon and the Lake Erie UFO’s?

The Trixter (The Anunnaki)

The Trixter = In mythology, and in the study of folklore and religion, a trickster is a god, goddess, spirit, man, woman, or anthropomorphic animal who exhibits a great degree of intellect or secret knowledge and uses it to play tricks or otherwise disobey normal rules and conventional behaviour.



Thanks to Robert Spearing, publisher of www.worldufowatch.com

MUFON does have some disinformation people there or associated with it, some are there to keep the public attention away from classified special access programs associated with exotic technologies others are there to make sure that the public are kept calm and other reasons of course.

The US Government intelligence and contract agencies are vast and the complexity is also vast, so it is not a clean cut answer. Some are in the know others are not, some are on the fringes and others are involved in psyops, its a tangled web of disinformation, misinformation, lies, truth, deception, guess work, and bullshit.

[link to bigelowaerospace.com]

I keep wondering why Bigelow is not pushing really hard to do a Donut Shaped RING space station, and have the Dream Chaser of Sierra Nevada ( [link to www.sncspace.com] ) fly to and from?

When I first got into the topic of "Flying Saucers" and "UFOs", back in 1957.. it seems nearly every thing published as by former US Air Force, former FBI, former CIA, ex.. military officials from other countries around the world.

1000's of WELL DOCUMENTED UFO CASES say otherwise.
It's nothing like Project Blue Book was....nor is it government run.


If anyone is dis-info.....it's you OP.

Which brings a new question....
Why attack MUFON now?....up until this point I have never seen anyone call them disinfo.
Are they about to uncover something you dis-info agents don't want to happen?
Interesting.



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I can see how MUFON has upset you. But the thing is, MUFON is just reporting a collection of information. It should not be taken serious. That is for the scientist and some of the researchers. Think of MUFON as a hobby, not a deliberate organization out to prove the existence of unknown intelligent life and the aerospace vehicles they cruse around in. All of that hard proof will come in the form of an ET coming up to you and saying "take me to your leader". Until that happens, just be at peace with all of Gods creations. Whether they come from the familiar, or from the not so familiar. We are all in this together. This wonderful life and spirit inside all of us. Be cool man. Live long and be kind to all living things.

MUFON definitely has a lot of people in their high positions who will not listen, look at and will treat people with real information like crap. It's their job to keep anyone away except the nuttier stories with no proof so no one takes the fact that there ARE ETs serious. Those people are working for the government.

Disinfo all of the way and they shouldn't be allowed to speak at conferences.

It may have been worth something in its early ears, but now it's just a money making entertainment and disinfo media whore outfit. ALL the money and information flows ONE WAY ONLY, right to the board of directors. If you're a subscriber or a witness who reports a UFO to them, you get 0% of the benefits of the information they collect. Those hypocrites accuse the government of witholding UFO data from the public and lying, and then they turn around and do exactly the same shit. You might as well report a UFO directly to your toilet.

well, it's now more than 3 years later, fucktard. Where's this BIG THING they were about to uncover?

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