two witnesses of revelations

I suspect if fire begins proceeding out of their mouth and devouring their adversaries, they will have their answer...

I suspect if they begin turning waters into blood, and to smite the earth with plagues, they will have their answer.

lol... jk...

But seriously, IMHO, the two witnesses will surely know their identity and their mission. God will make it plain to them when they receive their mission and power and authority.


peace,

Lol, I agree with you that the witnesses would know without any doubt.
I simply wondered from her way of descibing the uncertainty the witnesses may have.

I understand. Thanks for clarifying.

I was having a little fun is all. No offense meant to anyone. Particularly the OP.

peace,

Thank you for sharing OP.

My humble opinion is that you should continue to lean on The LORD for all things (even as you do).

Trust that he will guide you. He will surely guide your thoughts and your paths to fulfill whatever his desire for you is in this life.

Trust that he has a plan for all men and women and his plan will not fail.

Trust that he will put you in the place you need to be when you need to be there (wherever it is).

Mountains are moved with just a mustard seed worth of faith.

Faith that God is in complete control.

He began the works, he performs the works and he will surely complete the works.

I wish you rest and comfort and joy and peace and hope in the Holy Spirit.

God Bless OP.

peace,

And please be very prayerful and considerate to a delicate situation before responding to me. I am confiding for help and I feel i am supposed to tell one of you these things because someone will understand them in this forum. Please do not be harsh or mean I would highly recommend being respectful whe it comesd to this topic. Ifeel God does feel very strongly about it you know!! Thank you for your honest answer. I know there are many who claim to be these two people or witneses, prophets etc... I am sooo overy interested in talking to them....I know God will eventually tell me and I ask him all the time but I just need someone ( person) to talk to too. Thanks

Maybe he wants your family to be missionaries in Israel.

THakn you anonymous coward. these thindgs i do know. He is compeltely in control and I know He will put me where He wants me whenever it would be. I know His timing is amazingly perfect and
I have learned to wait on it, trust me!!!Ive hasd no choice!! THank you for not being judgemental or harsh or demeaning. God bless you!!!!!

umm laast three posts were mine ,mombis. not anonymous cowards. whats that about?? Why are my posts being labelled as anonymous coward. thats not cool!! JUst so everyone knows I am mombis not a.c. wierd!

maybe!!!
thanks for the thought! You rock !!

You're welcome. I've been wondering myself about getting out of the U.S.(babylon) before its destroyed but idk - guess I'm hoping for the rapture before then.

i know right!!! Gotten pretty crazy around these parts!!! I guess thats everywhere!! Missionaries in israel sounds perfect for me!!!
THat would be awesome. Never been there. You have given me quite a comfortin your thoughts. Been thinking on it. Nice new perspective. Sounds about right too. in some way shape or form. Its pretty much exactly what ive been told.

Rv11:1-4 "And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and three score days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth."


This 1260 day period is mentioned several times in scripture, all referring to the period Rome ruled during the dark ages.

Dn7:25 = time, times and a half (1260)
Dn12:7 = time, times and a half (1260)
Rv11:2 = 42 months (1260)
Rv11:3 = 1260 days
Rv12:6 = 1260 days
Rv12:14 = time, times and a half (1260)
Rv13:5 = 42 months (1260)

Most find Daniel 9 -- "70 weeks" or 490 days to be actually 490 years. (day-year principle)
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Prophetic time is always day = year.

The 1260 years has been identified when the Rome Empire fell (476, Daniel 7) and 'holy' Rome (little horn) took over from 538 to 1798 when Napoleon ended the Papal States.
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Thus the Rev 11 two witnesses happened at that time in 1798 France. (spiritual Sodom and Egypt i.e. atheist)

At that time the Bible was banned for 3.5 years.

After this the Bible was mass produced and went to all of Christendom.

Revelation is a book of prophecy which uses symbolism.

The symbolism from Rev 11 comes from Zech 4 and 5, which is about the word of God (candlesticks which are a witness)


Zech.4:3 "And two olive trees by it, one on the right side of the bowl, and the other on the left side thereof. So I answered and spoke to the angel that talked with me, saying, What are these, my lord? Then the angel that talked with me answered and said to me, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the LORD (...) Then answered I, and said to him, What are these two olive trees on the right side of the candlestick and on the left side thereof? And I answered again, and said to him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves? And he answered me and said, Know you not what these be? And I said, No, my lord. Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the LORD of the whole earth. Then I turned, and lifted up my eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll."





The most popular opinion found among the Doctors of Theology is that the two witnesses are two prophets that shall come during the Great Tribulation Period, while some say that this prophecy of the two witnesses has a two-fold meaning. However, the Scriptures and recorded history show that the prophecy about the two witnesses has indeed come to pass.

Jesus our Lord said: "And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a WITNESS UNTO ALL NATIONS and then shall the end come." Matthew 24:14. The Gospel taught from the Scriptures was to be a witness to all nations about the loving and saving power of Jesus Christ. It gives its hearers correction in right doing. It gives its believers hope for the future, and the promise of forgiveness for past sins through the sacrifice of Christ's death. "And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the Devil, who are taken captive by him at his will." 2.Timothy 2:26.

However, when the Roman Catholic Church became a religious dictatorship, the Scriptures were hidden from the vast population, and catechism was substituted instead of Bible study. The Gospel of the Bible became mingled with the pagan philosophies of Sun worship. The worship of the pagan Mother goddess became the idol of the Roman Catholic Church through the worship of the Virgin Mary.' When the Gospel became perverted through Romanism, God always had a remnant people who were teaching the True Faith during the 1260 years the Papacy cast the Truth to the ground. These faithful followers of Jesus were hunted down by papal authorities as heretics and criminals. They were tortured on the rack, burned at the stake; and it mattered not what age or sex, they were butchered in the name of Heaven.

When those faithful servants who proclaimed the sacred truths from the Old and New Testaments were tortured, murdered, thrown in dungeons and had to flee for their lives from the papal Inquisitors, the True Faith was forced to go underground. The Gospel set forth in the Old and New Testament that had to be preached into all the world for a witness to all nations before Christ would come again, was forced into a state of obscurity. This is what is meant by Revelation 11:3, "And they shall prophesy a THOUSAND TWO HUNDRED AND THREESCORE DAYS CLOTHED IN SACKCLOTH."

Sackcloth was worn by the Israelites in times of trouble and grief. (2.Samuel 3:31, 1.Chronicles 21:15, 16; Isaiah 37:1). The sackcloth here mentioned in Revelation 11:3 was to mourn the supression of the Old and New Testament by the papal authorities during the 1260 years. The two witnesses, the two olive trees, or the two candlesticks represented the light the Scripture gives its reader.

The Olive Tree was the Israelites' source of oil to anoint their kings and priests. Oil has often, in Biblical language, been a symbol of the Holy Spirit. See Zechariah 4:1-14. The Candlestick represents the illumination a searcher of Truth receives in the heart when he makes the Word of God his standard to measure Truth to live by. "Thy word is a LAMP unto my feet, and a light unto my path." Psalms 119:105.

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." 2.Timothy 3:16

"And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouths, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed. These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy. And have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will." Revelation 11:5,6.

This prophecy is a parallel with that of Jesus in Revelation 22:18,19. "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of this prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the Holy City, and from the things which are written in this book."

This will be the fate of ALL those who tamper with the sacred Scripture. These warnings were given by God to warn men against changing or adding to anything written in the Holy Scriptures. The Scriptures reveal God's plan for man from the beginning of creation until Christ's Second Coming, and also how he will provide for man after this Age. The Scriptures were given for man as a guide throughout his life to lead him through the gates of the New Jerusalem where he will dwell with God himself. (Revelation 21:1-4).
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First thank you to anyone who is willing to speak to me about this issue. It is very very serious and i snicerelty appreciate anyone being able to give me their advice, opinions or support. THank you acc for you information.You were very kind in your delivery. it is greatly appreciated. I must ask what do you think then of my situation?? I just am wondering. If youve read the very little portion of this journey that I have shared what would you think is happening there. Please read it thoroughly. THere is much much more I can share that has been told to me on global scales. things that are happening right now in the middleast. God told me they were going to happen just didnt know what they meant until they happened.

I have also been told I was given a mantle. Didnt really know what that meant until later I found that elijah passed his mantle down to Elisha. Interesting right. I am learning all of these things as I go. Some things i know but not everything Jesus tells me am i farmiliar with at the time it is given.

Sometimes I can only pray and ask Jesus to show me what it is His words mean. sometimes short phrases and words leave you wondering and you just have to wait for the rest. He is amazing in His delivery though.

I would ask you to look at the things that ive been given
(though a very small portion) and ask yourself if you wouldnt wonder the same. MY sister and i continue to seek the LOrd and ask him daily and all the time about these prophetic revelations we are given on almost a daily basis. THere are many other giftings as well.We have many.
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Just to let you know we have kept this all to ourselves until the right time. We have been very careful to be reverant and careful and prayerful about this given its huge implications and possibilities.I will have to tell my sister that I have shared this here. she will be nervous but curious what you all had to say. She has no internet yet. We are working on it so she can join forums with me. God has told me we will go to the wailing wall together for a ministry.It just happens to match this scripture and what people say about them very very precisely. All things I have been told are excactly what paople say about what they will do and say and where they will go and what they will wear. Which is a whole nother issue i am dealing with. It is the weirdest thing I have ever experienced. Serious clothe issues.


People are stunned when we speak things that then later come to pass.In absolute detail. I know when it is God showing me, He is sooo amazing. Every time I ask God about this topic because I know if one would presume and not be correct they better repent and ask sincere forgiveness. THese tiings I am aware of which i do all the time in case im wrong.

Come on my husband wont even play cards with us together for fear we will use the gifting to win!!!!SO funny!!!Its crazy!!!We love it sooo much. What an honor it is to be given such revelations!!! Jesus is amazing.

Just seeking words of opinion.Seeking hopefully some support.In whatever form that shall come.

remember sometimes if one is asking in thee form of a question they are not always actually asking a question but rather posing a thought or opinion themselves.! And plaese also remember that when one seeks advice or opinions on a subject they are not always needing it, but rather just wondering what others may be feeling..Thanks acc whoever you are. please share with me your " honest" opinions on my personal situation.

remember I am just mom and wife and do chgildcare and cleaning out of my home. Just needing to get it out and ask people stuff about it. I am not someone who is trying to get any attentoion, trust me ive had enough of that. I am not trying to claim anything that another would want to claim,just sharing in caes anyone is interested..THanks all posters!!!Love you all very much. Youre all amazing!!!

It seems that we may have had this discussion in the past.

(Hard to keep track:)

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John the Baptist surely seemed to know his 'mission',

But he didn't seem to know his 'identity'...

John 1:21
And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No.




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by the way anonymous coward, what is a signet ring anyway. What doesGod mean by this scripture??What would that mean? Thanks soooo much please continue to share

hey guyshow o i reply with the post im replying to in it?? in blue ya know! Not sure but trying to learn.

i emant how do i reply like you guys do w the post inside the replyso we can keep replies strait. new to this forum!!! thanks!!

There are two important biblical issues that must be handled properly by any person who steps forward and claims that he or she be one of the two witnesses in Rev 11:3, namely the following two issues:

1. The once-true Christian church has completely fallen away.

2. How will God recover the faith and doctrine of the apostolic church?

The first issue is very unpleasant for any false would-be witness of God after Rev 11:3 to handle, for it requires that he or she can establish that his or her own foundation is of God and separated from the worship and doctrines of apostasy. Many would-be witnesses therefore feel that it is easier for them either to deny the falling-away completely or to say that it has not yet happened.

The second issue is also very unpleasant for the false would-be witnesses, for it makes it impossible for them to evade the fact that the Bible prophecies clearly reveal that God will start His restoration of truth from the north (country). This is an unpleasant biblical fact to handle for the many impostors from the USA, so they prefer to say that "north (country)" means a place somewhere in northern USA. They are very disinclined to submit to what the Word of God tells us on this issue, for instance in Psalm 75:6, which excludes the "west". Therefore many of them instead say that "north (country)" in these prophecies means "a place in the north of USA".

The all-embracing problem, therefore, that all of these false would-be witnesses are faced with is their total lack of capacity to handle any or both of these "problematic" issues with success.

Greetings from
PehJeshuah

It seems so right. I just wonder if it took him a while to know for sure. Do we truly know this. Do we truly know from scripture what these people experienced before Jesus actually arrived. In detail. When Jesus came JOhn also sent his people to actually ask Jesus are you actually the one Im waiting for or am i WRONG, shall we wit for another???

Now to me in this scripture this only ensures me that John wasnt for sure at that point, right!! He did 2nd guess His own words. and this is even afteer tha baptism w the dove and everything. He maybe knew his mission, but was relaying only what was given to him vie REvelation from God!!!

Why would John actually ask Jesus this question. Could he have secongd guessed himself and wondered of his own accuracy. And this was after the dove and baptism and God actually speaking from heaven, so im pretty sure its possible for one to 2nd guess ones own revelation.Even John!!! Think about that!!! Interesting right What dp u think? ;) ;)

thank you pehyeshuah.THis is very interesting. there are definately many facts that I am not aware of regarding this issue. All of this information helps. I will have to look at these facts and see. I will look into this. You raise an interesting point but I never will put my confidence in a point until I investigate and understand what it fully meanss and would imply!!! So ill search and look it up!! THank you sooo much!!God bless you.

Wish I was smarter on some issues for sure so I could have a more intelligent conv. on the issue!! Please forgive my ignorance..

just so everyone knows i am going to end my posts in mombis cause some of my posts are being signed in as anonymous coward. Is then when we dont put our name or something!!

jewish people and Christians.

No.

^^^^^that is so freaky.. i know you people will not beleive this but i didn't type "jewish people and Christians."
I only typed: jewish people and Christians..just odd all i'm saying..

ok this is freaky me out!@@! jewish people AND CHRISTIANS....<<< is what i typed..

I'm not typing jewish people.. someone playing games this am... only the word jewish people

OK then.. why when i type jewish it is coming out jewish....ish????
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OK ...i'm outta here.. what a trip.. and this has never happened before.. never ever..

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lol-

You are not 'allowed' to post the word you are trying to post




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Really?? Why not??? that's tripping..

OP.....
One is male
One is female

Muslims only know they're told they have 72 virgins waiting if they die the right way. It doesn't say virgin WHAT.

REVELATION 11

“JESUS CHRIST DIES AND IS RESURRECTED FOR ALL MANKIND”

1 JOHN 5:6
“This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood”.


Then I was given a reed like a measuring rod. (John was given a time piece so to speak) And the angel stood, saying, “Rise and measure the temple of God, the altar, and those who worship there. (Count the sons of Abraham) But leave out the court which is outside the temple, and do not measure it, for it has been given to the Gentiles.
And they will tread (Gentiles did not know the needed Salvation until It was delivered to us, we mocked the things of God out of ignorance) the holy city underfoot for forty-two months. (“42” generations from Abraham to Jesus Christ)
And I will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, (1260 divided by 360 = 42 months “42” generations from Abraham to Jesus Christ) clothed in sackcloth.”
These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the God of the earth.
(Christ was on earth in many forms since creation….!

Read Zechariah 4 “Vision of the Lampstands and Olive Trees”

THE “WATER AND THE BLOOD” FLOWING FROM CHRIST SIDE ON THE CROSS ARE THE TWO WITNESSES!

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. These have power to shut heaven, so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy; and they have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire. (Before Abraham was “I AM”) The above is speaking of every event listed in “The Entire Bible Pertaining To God” EVERY PROPHET, EVERY SACRIFICE, MOSES IN EGYPT, AND ON AND ON!) This is AWESOME REVELATION

(He lead His chosen people for 42 generations from His covenant with Abraham, to the time when sin was at it’s fullness and then came in the “form of man” and allowed man to kill Him so He could deliver us from our bondage, “NOW THAT IS LOVE”)


(Jesus Christ hour comes, He is sacrificed, the Old covenant is annulled and NEW LIFE BEGINS)

When they finish their testimony, (After 42 generations the time was ripe for Jesus Christ to be born of a virgin and save His people from sin by dying for us in our sinful condition)
the beast (Satan) that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow their dead bodies to be put into graves. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.

(Amen, Jesus Christ is risen from death and the grave victoriously)

Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them. (CHRIST appeared to many people for 40 days after His resurrection and seeing HIM would have greatly startled everyone! Read Acts 1:3)

And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them. (God wishes none would perish, I believe HIS enemies spoken of here are Satan and his demons, who were all sitting in the bleachers as HIS death had unfolded before their eyes and they thought they had won!)(GOD’S beef is not with man it is with Satan!)

In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.
The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.
Then the seventh angel sounded: (JESUS CHRIST THE VICTOR IS THE SEVENTH !)
And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!” ( CHRIST IS ON HIS THRONE IN HEAVEN!)
And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God, saying:


“ We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty,
The One who is and who was and who is to come, ( You lived and died and rose from the dead!)
Because You have taken Your great power and reigned. ( You have taken the keys of death and the grave from Satan, the earth can no longer hold us as it’s slaves in any form!)
The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, ( God poured out His wrath on His Son! )
And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, ( “NOW” men will only be judged by “YOU” )
And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints,(Thank Jesus, eternal life is ours brothers and sisters!)
And those who fear Your name, small and great, (“God is very just”, all Christians win heaven)
And should destroy those who destroy the earth.” ( Satan and his demons destroyed the earth!)


Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen in His temple.
( JESUS CHRIST is THE TEMPLE, JESUS CHRIST is THE ARK, JESUS CHRIST is HIS COVENANT!)
And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.