two witnesses of revelations

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Revelation 7:9-10 (King James Version)

9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude,
which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds,
and people, and tongues, stood before the throne,
and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes,
and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying,
Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne,
and unto the Lamb.

THANK YOU AC from CANADA!! I shed tears of JOY! The HARVEST is READY!


HALLELIUIAH! GLORY TO GOD IN THE HIGHEST!!!!!!

This is truth below.

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"And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth." (vv.3-4)

Here the vision suddenly changes, and our attention is drawn to two witnesses, namely, two olive trees and two lampstands. The word authority is not in the Greek text - it has been inserted by the translators. Jesus Christ is saying that He will give us two witnesses.

Again we go to the scriptures for our interpretation. Why two witnesses? It says, "In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established." No testimony is valid until it has been confirmed in the mouth of at least two or three witnesses. Two witnesses are a shorthand symbol for a perfect and complete testimony to truth. Grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. He is truth personified. People search for truth and argue over doctrines in their search, but refuse to come to the One who is truth.

Ever since Jesus ascended into heaven there has been a witness of Him on this earth. Who are these witnesses? Jesus said to His disciples, "You are My witnesses." Those who are enChristed are His witnesses; they have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying, so they speak under the anointing of the Spirit. Jesus also said that the scriptures bear witness of Him. (Jn. 5:39) To prophesy means to speak under the inspiration of God. God is giving us an idea, a message! To be a witness, we have to exemplify the nature of Christ in word and in action. This vision tells us that Christ's followers are a witness of the nature or essence of Christ. The world feels judged by this witness.

These witnesses will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days or 3 and 1/2 years, that is, they will speak under the inspiration of God during their time of ministry. They will be clothed in sackcloth, that is, in humility and grief. In the Old Testament we notice that sackcloth was worn during times of grief and repentance. The true church brings forth a witness of Christ in humility and repentance, and also grieves for those who do not accept the gospel message.

"These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord." Zechariah saw one lampstand, all of gold with a bowl on top of it. He also saw two olive trees - one on the right side of the bowl and the other on its left side. We already know that the seven-branched lampstand represents the church in its relationship to Christ in the Holy Spirit.

In the tabernacle there was only one lampstand. Why do we have two here? Two is a symbol for witness. God is emphasizing the witness of a church that is filled with the Holy Spirit, and that brings a message from God to the world.

Standing beside the lampstands, Zechariah saw two olive trees. (Zechariah 4) The two olive trees puzzled him, so he asked, "What do the two olive trees that are beside the two golden pipes, which empty the golden oil from themselves on the right and on the left of the lampstand represent?" He was told that these are "the two anointed ones, who are standing by the Lord of all the earth." Notice that this witness is a valid witness, but its anointing is limited, for they "empty the golden oil from themselves." Anything that can be emptied is limited. A ministry with a greater anointing is to follow.

The first mention of the olive tree is in Genesis 8:11 where the dove brings back an olive leaf to Noah, and the last mention is in this verse. The olive tree grows on the mountainside and on the seaside where there is not much soil, and where other trees will not bear fruit. It will yield heavily with a minimum of care and culture. Although only one olive flower in every 100 produces fruit, yet it is claimed that one tree can produce as much as 20 gallons of oil. To the westerner its olive-gray foliage is not very attractive, but to the man who is going to get an abundance of oil from it, it is very attractive!

Hosea declared, "His beauty will be like the olive tree." (Hosea 14:6) This beauty is not an outward attractiveness, but the inward beauty that feeds the hungry with its fruit. David referred to himself as an olive tree in God's house. (Ps. 52:8) Paul used the cultivated olive tree as an example of the true Israel of faith in Romans 11. Olive oil was used for food, anointing, fuel and medicine.

The olive trees beside the lampstand represent the church or the sons of fresh oil, in its power and witness in the Holy Spirit! "`Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit,' says the Lord of hosts." The witnesses speak in the power of the Holy Spirit! They symbolize the church that is able to stand in the midst of the world and speak with power. In its public witness the church stands before the world in repentance in contrast to a world that is very unrepentant. The world refuses to repent, even though it hears the trumpets. In the midst of that unrepentant world is a church whose very lifestyle and attitude demonstrate repentance. It has yielded to God and responded to Him. The oil of the Holy Spirit is empowering it. It is dependent upon the Lord, speaking forth on God's behalf, but it is limited in the demonstration of God's power!

"And if anyone desires to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way." (v.5) Why would anyone want to harm them? These witnesses are speaking truth, and truth is the fire that proceeds out of the mouths of these witnesses. The fire of truth purifies; it devours the lies. Those who do not want to let go of their lies, deceit and traditions, are tormented by truth, so they do their utmost to destroy the vessel that speaks truth. The inspired word of God purifies the church and convicts the sinner.

They "must be killed in this way." What can be killed? We know that the flesh can die, but the spirit cannot die! In this symbolism we see that everything that is of the flesh has to be put to death, for it is always against the Spirit! This is not about doing away with people, but about getting the wickedness out of them! When the lies of our enemies are devoured by truth, we no longer have enemies. That is how our enemies are killed!

Who are they?

(certainly not you)

But who?


(so we can bless them, of course)



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Hello Chip,

Is she speaking about you?



?

It's hard to tell.

But it must be somebody around here or she wouldn't have mentioned it.


Maybe Jesus gave her some of His authority...


John 5:22
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,

daughter do you know how to delete your own thread if you dont want it on anymore?/

does anyone know how to delete your own threads??/

I'm sorry to see this thread go but..I think if you message Trinity...he will accomodate.

You are in my prayers, Selena. Go with God

Selena, you can just let it be buried. It will always be in the archives to the day they dump them. Or like Daughter in NYC says message Trinity and ask him to delete.

Don't be afraid for what you gave here, as you spoke from your heart, and from your heart radiates your love for Jesus. His light shines in you and from you. Your desire to understand events that have happened is understood. Enjoy the gifts you were given and use them to help others find the truth.

Peace and Love of Jesus be with you.

Michael.

Last Edited by Michael. on 02/24/2012 12:41 AM

I do think so..

Hey Chip,

I think she was feeling the 'glp' effect. I really believe that her heart is in the right place. Perhaps she needs to 'strengthen her armour'??


(Did you check out Jonathan Kleck...he decrypts US Currency and ancient hieroglyphics. Gives new meaning to the 'delusion' that's coming.)

Kleck has lost much for his testimony. Check him out on radio too. I have had confirmation that he is truthful..every time I asked the Lord for it, He answered with awesome confirmations.

Keep Selena in prayer, she is a precious sheep.

God Bless You, Chip

:):hugs:

God has shown me the truth now. I am not responsible to let the whole world know about Jesus.wow!!!! what a relief right, just kidding,but seriously i am being shown little by little the Gods truth.Im not sure exactly what happened with me or if anything at all. Maybe it was all in my head ya know, maybe it wasnt but i do know my calling now.I do know that I am called to love my children and those I come in contact with in my little life here that Jesus puts in my path and even if he does, He does the work, not us.We only tell them. For a very long time I was very disillusioned that I was never telling enough people about Jesus, like I had to tell everyone I knew, ya know,and if they werent coming to him i was doing something wrong. Or that i had some divine calling or something to do something for God. I now believe that thos was just a tactic used by the enemy to distract me, only I just didnt see it that way. I didnt really see it for what it was.I was under this crazy impression that It was my total responsibility in this life to tell everyone I knew about the love of Jesus and if i didnt i was dishonoring Jesus, again a lie to make me feel so overwhelmed and burdened that it can eventually wear on our relationship with the Lord.Let me state that yes some are called to these positions just not me, i dont think.I mean obviously i wouldnt do a very good job of it would I??:).I was always feeling burdened and convicted and condemned that i was never doing enough though, but this is not from Jesus.maybe He will allow me to pray with some to accept Him ,but now I know its not going to be the way that the enemy was trying to get me to believe in order to distract me and bring my focus off of Jesus Himself and putting myself as some kind of leader but really i am only a leader in my own home. and constantly trying to make me feel burdened and condemned.. He is the leader of His people, I believe the enemy wanted me to focus more on myself and the"mission" i thought God had given me than for me to focus on my family and friends and community.Yes some are called to lead, but for now I am here for my family and friends and strangers i havent met as friends yet. He was trying to get me to believe I had a divine calling to lead many many people to Jesus and in that it was becoming such a distraction from my children that i didn't realize how much I was a actually leaving them without actually leaving my home. And maybe I do have a calling to lead some people to Jesus, but I now understand you cannot force people to love Jesus or push so hard that you actually drive them away. I know that sounds obvious and we think we know it but the reality is i think sometimes we convince ourselves that we are responsible for telling the whole world and if we dont then we have something to be ashamed of it. not true. Yes God is calling some of us to lead and there are some who are called to lead many but for now I am only called to my home and kids and friends and family.Jesus is the leader of His people. I dont feel like fear and fret and worry and scaring people is really from Jesus honestly, not for me anyway. Maybe an urgency to straighten up our lives and inform a few others we are called to in our path.And im sure he will let us know who they are if any at all. But He is the one that does all the work with the rest not us. I think all the stuff i was given was for me and those that i run into that he leads me to share it with, but not to get disillusioned that we alone are responsible to inform the whole entire world sort a speak ya know.For this is the Holy spirit that leads Gods people. If anyone believed anything different than that once again i apologize for that. but the truth really is that my only role has ever been to love my family, and the enemy was trying to get in there and tear it up. I do believe this to be the truth. I believe I have been delivered of some kind of deceptive spirit of some kind, like delusion or something. Jesus has forgiven me i hope you can too. I keep feeling horrible that ive accidentally and unknowingly lead anyone to believe that there is anyone else other than Jesus that would be returning, i know people are telling me that this isnt true but i keep feeling really horrible about this.you know with my first message. I believe this was some kind of subconcious delusion of granduer or something that the enemy wanted me to believe or something and im trying not to feel guilty about it but i know condemnation is not from the Lord about that either.So im trying really hard to get through this time without feeling so ashamed of what I have done or relayedor thought or felt. Im very very ashamed and emberassed if anything I said or claimed that maybe wasnt or about from Jesus. Thats all. So for anyone who is on here wondering where ive been please know that this is where i am and what I am going through. I was really acting like a stupid know it all ya know. feeling so sad about it but I know God is helping me.He has definately shown me that He is helping me heal from it. Just feel really really stupid ya know.I thought I had some special mission for him and well i guess i do but its just not the way the enemy would want me to be distracted with so he can tear my family apart you know. Jesus showed me proverbs 31 woman. this is what He showed me yesterday, so i do know He is with me but Just need to know that He can forgive me if I spoke for anyone or anything other than Him. Thats all. Please pray (Christian friends))that Jesus will continue to show me and others the real truth here and not a delusion of illusion..Anyway i know iam rambling but i am trying to get over it all. Anyway friends that want to just talk about regular stuff, you can feel free ya know i know this thread is about the two witnesses but now that my silly questionas are answered about the truth i am glad you guys were kind to me and helpful to me. THank you very much. Let me state in closig that the only things i am referring to aboutmy claims being false would be the trumpoets sounding and everything happening now and of course any other name i may have ever recieved at any other times other than Jesus.

Of course i hope everyone would know anything i misinterpreted was completely on accident and unintentional, and if you have absolutely no idea what im even talkiong abuot please let me know, if you do know whjat im talking about then please let me know that too.:)

Thank you Mombis,

check your private messages ;-)

Michael.

God never used women to preach or scribe the words written in the Bible Torah or Koran, they are to used make babies and serve men. So the two witneses will of course be men.

So put your Burka back on and stop thinking your more than what you are especially in this instance. Arabs even believe women are "weak minded" and easily persuaded hence the "apple" in the fall of Eden and the reason for the Burka...

Don't believe me then just walk into your local mosque with your high heels and makeup on with your baby whose daddy ran off while you collect welfare watching TV and see what they tell you. Jusy saying.



Last Edited by Imagine That on 02/27/2012 06:32 PM

no bible.

Un abrazo.

Hello My Sister

This journey that we all are doing brings up an interesting quote: To find thyself, you have to know thy self. I hope I got that right. You are right that you have to look after your family first because that is where the devil will attack and split us up. As your family grows stronger in the Lord, that will be a magnet for others. People will flock to you when the time comes. Never turn any away and treat them with Love.

I was wondering about how to do my role when it dawned on me too. I need to keep my family together and in time people will come together because faith will lead them. As you told me once, not to push things and let it happen! Amen!

I love you and all of Christ.

God Bless

, i do beveile that far too much of our preaching is centered in and around us?the saints. this?i beveile?is a mistake, and accounts for a large percentage of the attrition that is taking place in the Apostolic Movement; an attrition that many are reticent to admit is reality.this is only my opinion (i?unlike others?will admit when i'm speaking only from my preference and not from the Text), but i prefer to teach saints and new beveilers, and to preach to the lost. yes, there is place for both to the converse, but this is my personal preference. the reason is, when we begin to preach our masterpieces of oratory magnificence, far too often the lost soul that is sitting there is clueless of what we're talking about. now, if that sermon is glorifying GOD, exclaiming is wonder, then you'll see a different impact. i'm relatively traveled, so i'm speaking from experience when i say that much of our preaching is for those who have been in the faith a long time. in fact, most everything we do in our gatherings is for this crowd. they don't like the new songs, they don't like the new strategies, they don't like the new chairs, they don't like? you know what? i think they just don't like. perhaps a bit of Spiritual intimacy would do the trick; i know that always brightens my own outlook.and yes, i know there are exception, just so no one accuses me of generalizing.thanks for the kudos on the book. pick one up when you get a chance, i think you'll enjoy it. in fact, buy several hundred; that's how i feed my kids.m

Hi Selena,

"All things work together for the good for those who love the Lord and are the called according to His purposes"


Dear Sister in Christ, Christ's words will NEVER go void, they WILL accomplish what they were meant to do.

So I am happy that you are at peace. What satan meant for evil, the Lord has turned for GOOD.

We have been blessed by your words of love and encouragement in the Lord.


Thank you and please keep us posted in future.


PRAY for the peace of Jerusalem

no, i believe the grown in christ should be able to talk as grown folks do. the time is so short and the door may already be closed to the unbelievers, i'm not saying it is, but maybe.

we should no be alarmed to talk as grown people, let the tv cather to the new and young in christ. what stands befor us now, only the firm, those already tested by fire will endure...

the cities will rise off the backs of the brave and fearless, we will be come as teachers, as jesus wanted it. full grown christians, told by our actions not words...


our day we have waited so long for and have been laughted at time and time again. we pull our wieght as we teach other to pull thiers. we are not full of pride, but full of rightousness.

we are going to a place where we become the least, we will only shine here. we must remember who our lord and savour is, what he has done before and for us...

heaven will not be a place of learning, but of putting it into pactice daily. let your lights and voices be heard and seen... our world they don't understand. love rules, the waek are gone, we are trurly the strong ones. we understand what is important and why...

we eat real meat, no need for any more milk...



Hi Chip,

I agree... but,GLP is like a microchasm of the world, so it can get difficult at times. We must preach the Gospel, that is what we, as Christians, are called to do.... But we are all still a work in progress.... Selena was a witness here on GLP, although everyone's approach is different. But most importantly, the Lord was lifted up...Glory to God

God Bless

Hello Selena
God has truly blessed me to come here. After talking with my wife more and embracing loving the family more, we have truly come together in spirit.
I blessed and sealed my house and my friend jerr's also. There has been a lasting change in the house since then. My friend even commented that his kids are seeking out the Lord on their own. The friend's kids have a friend who was an atheist. Now, he feels that he is getting attacked in his home by evil spirits and asked jerry to get him some religious objects.
These kids are asking to go to church now. Amen. Prayers are always answered.

Thanks again to all that prayed for me and my family

Wil

Makes TOTAL sense!

God Bless you, and Wil as well

I was told once by a former nun that the two witnesses are always John the Baptist, and Elijah. That whenever the Son of God is about to appear on Earth he is always preceded by these two souls. She told me that the names John the Baptist and Elijah are just their latest incarnations. But that they have been known by other names as well. She said, in a very cryptic fashion I might add, that they are not like humans but actually more like Jesus. Entities as old as creation itslef, with entire kingdoms of their own. She seemed almost frightened when she spoke of them. As though they had incredible power, and she had witnessed it first hand.

Ordinarily I wouldn't bother telling anyone this story. As her appearance in my life was actually quite profound and I tend to keep my experiences with her private. Let's just say he showed me without a doubt, that there is definitely "wiring under the board" so to speak. But since you ask...

So who are the two witnesses?