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CONFIRMED!! JESUS CHRIST NEVER EXISTED

 
ren1999

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Ren1999: curious that you place DOB at Feb 16, 2 AD, which I'm assuming you're allocating to Paul/Apollonius/Jesus?

I spent some time digging back, astrologically speaking, trying to find a chart that would make me go....hmmmmmmmmm!
February 18, 5BC (plotted at Bethlehem, Judea or Giza Plateau) using sidereal produces a pretty amazing chart, the most amazing chart actually.

Apollonius' DOB is pretty foggy, with most historians placing him between 15 BC and 100 CE, but his primary biographer, Philostratus the Elder places him circa. 3 BCE to 97 CE. In terms of astrology (and accounting for precession), the 3 BC and 5 BC dates are rather curious, in an interesting way :)

RE: Paul/Saul of Tarsus.... I'm tending towards his not being a real person. I have serious issues with the works of Ignatius-cum-Polycarp, but that's a whole other thread!
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Did you know that Apollonius/Paul wrote a book on Astrology that was popular in the entire world, even in the Middle East?
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There was & is a saviour named Yashua & his Fathers name is Yahweh.
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Only in braindead idiots .
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Here is something very controversial. You are free to believe it or not as this is my opinion.

The legendary Arthur is based in part on Artorius Dux Belorum.
The legendary Merlin is based in part on Governor Ambrosius Aurellianus.

However, the Arthur story telling begins much earlier with Emperor Vespasian as the original Arthur and Apollonius as the original Merlin.

They did bring the Pax Romana to Britain and were seen as heroes of peace, unity and power to some natives there.
John Thomas of the Titor Project
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"His name was Apollonius of Tyana - born in 4BC. He was not Jewish and he taught a combination of Tibetian Buddhism and Krishna. The New Testament is totally made up by the catholic church and based on his life and teachings."

This is the gospel truth, brother. The name of Jesus was Apollonius of Tyana also known as Paul of Tarsus, the father of Roman Christianity.
 Quoting: ren1999


Wow biggest blasphemy of the day, I would repent of this blatant lie because that's a scary lie to be perpetuating when the Holy One of Israel sees everything you do.

You can say Jesus OR Yah'shua doesn't matter, as long as you mean the Son of God, the Lamb and indeed, God (Yahuwah/ Yahweh) in the flesh.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Here's another fun fact. And for certain, I'm about to piss everyone off here... did you know that the word 'cretin' [which means deformed person, or idiot/moron] is derived from.... christian.

And the 'apostles' according to the bible, had a name for themselves (and it wasn't christian!). They called themselves and each other [according to Acts 24:5], Natsarim.

When Paul says they were first called christians, he wasn't telling future generations to call themselves that, he was basically saying that it was the first time they were called pagan-worshipers by the jewish people!

Chrestos/christ was used commonly prior to jesus' supposed period, and definitely well before his finalization as a religious invention!

In 150 CE, Justin Martyr referred to Chrestoi as all "good men". Christians. This is one of the unquestioned references, and it translates to christians.

And as far as the whole "anointed one" thing goes, which is inter-linked to massiach and often incorrectly translated into christ/chrestos... jesus was never annointed at all. So he is not the messiah/massiach, and he was not an anointed person at all.

All kings of israel are anointed, but jesus never was. Then again, he didn't fulfill the prophecy of an earthly king who would bring peace, so he's not The [awaited] massiach, regardless...
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Here's another fun fact. And for certain, I'm about to piss everyone off here... did you know that the word 'cretin' [which means deformed person, or idiot/moron] is derived from.... christian.

And the 'apostles' according to the bible, had a name for themselves (and it wasn't christian!). They called themselves and each other [according to Acts 24:5], Natsarim.

When Paul says they were first called christians, he wasn't telling future generations to call themselves that, he was basically saying that it was the first time they were called pagan-worshipers by the jewish people!

Chrestos/christ was used commonly prior to jesus' supposed period, and definitely well before his finalization as a religious invention!

In 150 CE, Justin Martyr referred to Chrestoi as all "good men". Christians. This is one of the unquestioned references, and it translates to christians.

And as far as the whole "anointed one" thing goes, which is inter-linked to massiach and often incorrectly translated into christ/chrestos... jesus was never annointed at all. So he is not the messiah/massiach, and he was not an anointed person at all.

All kings of israel are anointed, but jesus never was. Then again, he didn't fulfill the prophecy of an earthly king who would bring peace, so he's not The [awaited] massiach, regardless...
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I am a linguist, and this whole "entymology" is the biggest BULLSHIT I have ever heard in my life. Stop pretending you have an education you retard.
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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Here's another fun fact. And for certain, I'm about to piss everyone off here... did you know that the word 'cretin' [which means deformed person, or idiot/moron] is derived from.... christian.

And the 'apostles' according to the bible, had a name for themselves (and it wasn't christian!). They called themselves and each other [according to Acts 24:5], Natsarim.

When Paul says they were first called christians, he wasn't telling future generations to call themselves that, he was basically saying that it was the first time they were called pagan-worshipers by the jewish people!

Chrestos/christ was used commonly prior to jesus' supposed period, and definitely well before his finalization as a religious invention!

In 150 CE, Justin Martyr referred to Chrestoi as all "good men". Christians. This is one of the unquestioned references, and it translates to christians.

And as far as the whole "anointed one" thing goes, which is inter-linked to massiach and often incorrectly translated into christ/chrestos... jesus was never annointed at all. So he is not the messiah/massiach, and he was not an anointed person at all.

All kings of israel are anointed, but jesus never was. Then again, he didn't fulfill the prophecy of an earthly king who would bring peace, so he's not The [awaited] massiach, regardless...
 Quoting: Sandi_T



I am a linguist, and this whole "entymology" is the biggest BULLSHIT I have ever heard in my life. Stop pretending you have an education you retard.
 Quoting: Wingedlion


Everything you say for your religion is an outright lie, John. You and he are two peas in a pod... any lie you tell for your faith isn't really a lie at all, eh old chap.

"Do you see the advantage of deceit? ..." -John Chrysostom [& wingedliar]
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Dr. Michael S. Heiser

Credentials:

Select Curriculum Vitae – Michael S. Heiser

Academic Degrees:

University of Wisconsin-Madison, Ph.D., Hebrew Bible and Ancient Semitic Languages
dissertation title – "The Divine Council in Second Temple Jewish Literature"
University of Wisconsin-Madison, M.A., Hebrew and Semitic Studies, 1998
University of Pennsylvania, M.A., Ancient History (Israel, Egypt), 1992

Graduate Courses of Relevance :

Languages Studied / Graduate Language Courses:

Elementary Biblical Hebrew
Intermediate Biblical Hebrew
Advanced Biblical Hebrew
Hebrew Exegesis: Ezekiel
Hebrew Exegesis: Isaiah
Epigraphic Hebrew
Biblical Aramaic
Imperial Aramaic
Elementary Egyptian Grammar
Intermediate Egyptian Grammar
Elementary Biblical Greek
Biblical Greek Syntax
Septuagintal Greek
Syriac Grammar
Ugaritic Grammar
Moabite
Phoenician
Akkadian (independent study)
Sumerian (independent study)

Archaeology and Ancient History:

Biblical Archaeology
Dead Sea Scrolls
Middle Bronze Age
Culture of Ancient Egypt
The Hyksos
Ancient Near Eastern Religion
Egyptian History

Biblical Studies and Theology:

Old Testament Introduction
Pentateuchal Criticism
Biblical Hermeneutics
Bibliology
Trinitarianism

Academic Honors:

Scholarship recipient: Wisconsin Society for Jewish Higher Learning (1995, 1996, 1998)
Selected to: The National Dean's List (1996)
Selected to: Who's Who Among America's College Teachers (1996)
Fellowship recipient: James L Weinstein Fellowship in Hebrew Studies (1995)
Scholarship recipient, University of Pennsylvania, Department of Ancient History (1992)

Publications:

Scholarly

"Deuteronomy 32:8 and the Sons of God," Bibliotheca Sacra (January-March 2001)

"The Mythological Provenance of Isaiah 14:12-15: A Reconsideration of the Ugaritic Material," Vetus Testamentum (Fall 2001)

"Moses as High Priest and Sorcerer? A Response to Graham Hancock's Egyptian Explanation for the Ark of the Covenant," Near East Archaeological Society Bulletin (1995-1996)
Review of A Short History of Ancient Egypt, by T.G.H. James, Johns Hopkins, 1998, for H-Net Book Reviews, [link to www.h-net.msu.edu] (1998)
Non-Fiction, Academic (Lay Audience) :

"Moses' Radioactive Death Machine: Graham Hancock's Arguments from Silence," The Anomalist 6 (1998): 54-87

The Bible Code Myth

Islam and Armageddon

Unpublished Papers Read at Academic Conferences:

"The Divine Council in the Dead Sea Scrolls," Annual Meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society, Danvers, MA (1999)

“Gog of Magog, the 'chief prince': The Contribution of the Dead Sea Scrolls Toward an Identification,” Annual Meeting of the Evangelical Theological Society, Danvers, MA (1999)

"Mount Sinai in Arabia," Annual Meeting of the Near East Archaeological Society, Orlando, FL (1998)

"Jeremiah 3:16 and the Ark of the Covenant: A Survey of Interpretation" Annual Meeting of the Near East Archaeological Society, Philadelphia (1995)

Memberships in Professional / Scholarly Associations:
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10494363


who gives a shit about this blind-faced fuck? Michael Heiser?

Really?

may as well throw Shermer in, then, for some reason, right?

5a
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Moronic statement. Shermer doesn't possess near the credentials Heiser does.
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Here is something very controversial. You are free to believe it or not as this is my opinion.

The legendary Arthur is based in part on Artorius Dux Belorum.
The legendary Merlin is based in part on Governor Ambrosius Aurellianus.

However, the Arthur story telling begins much earlier with Emperor Vespasian as the original Arthur and Apollonius as the original Merlin.

They did bring the Pax Romana to Britain and were seen as heroes of peace, unity and power to some natives there.
 Quoting: ren1999



Interesting! All the dots connect.

Several years ago, I remember reading about the problems with the historical timeline, that there was in fact, "no middle ages" and we are off in our current calculations of what year it really is. What I read would place Arthur around the first century. I recall thinking that possibly that would equate him with Jesus.

I'll see if I can find that later today.
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"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Did you know that Apollonius/Paul wrote a book on Astrology that was popular in the entire world, even in the Middle East?
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Yes - Apollonius wrote "On Astrology" and another, "On Sacrifice".

I've found information that may suggest Apollonius may have actually been taught by a tupšar Enûma Anu Enlil (outside of Babylon perhaps?) Astronomer and physician are certainly likely titles he obtained.
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Here is something very controversial. You are free to believe it or not as this is my opinion.

The legendary Arthur is based in part on Artorius Dux Belorum.
The legendary Merlin is based in part on Governor Ambrosius Aurellianus.

However, the Arthur story telling begins much earlier with Emperor Vespasian as the original Arthur and Apollonius as the original Merlin.

They did bring the Pax Romana to Britain and were seen as heroes of peace, unity and power to some natives there.
 Quoting: ren1999



Interesting! All the dots connect.

Several years ago, I remember reading about the problems with the historical timeline, that there was in fact, "no middle ages" and we are off in our current calculations of what year it really is. What I read would place Arthur around the first century. I recall thinking that possibly that would equate him with Jesus.

I'll see if I can find that later today.
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


The parallels are uncanny. The Gregorian calendar poses great difficulty in accuracy, that's for sure!

I've heard numerous times in discussion the idea of Arthur being an incarnation of Jesus, and placing Arthur in the first century is not a huge stretch by any means!

I'll revisit my 'calendar' files too!
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If your Venus is in Virgo, you're unassuming, reserved and a loyal friend or partner. You may not show a lot of emotion outwardly, but are sensitive to what others think. This doesn't keep you from being critical of those you care about, always trying to help them better themselves. You're discriminating, and might blow little things out of proportion. Once committed, you're the ideal "helpmate," since you tune into creating daily harmony.
 Quoting: random about.com astrology thingie

this is about a particular birth chart including such alignment.. but i mean, just read it and tell me that doesn't sound like jesus...
the morning star born of the virgin.
this did happen somewhere around 3BC... jus' sayin'
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Here is something very controversial. You are free to believe it or not as this is my opinion.

The legendary Arthur is based in part on Artorius Dux Belorum.
The legendary Merlin is based in part on Governor Ambrosius Aurellianus.

However, the Arthur story telling begins much earlier with Emperor Vespasian as the original Arthur and Apollonius as the original Merlin.

They did bring the Pax Romana to Britain and were seen as heroes of peace, unity and power to some natives there.
 Quoting: ren1999



Interesting! All the dots connect.

Several years ago, I remember reading about the problems with the historical timeline, that there was in fact, "no middle ages" and we are off in our current calculations of what year it really is. What I read would place Arthur around the first century. I recall thinking that possibly that would equate him with Jesus.

I'll see if I can find that later today.
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


The parallels are uncanny. The Gregorian calendar poses great difficulty in accuracy, that's for sure!

I've heard numerous times in discussion the idea of Arthur being an incarnation of Jesus, and placing Arthur in the first century is not a huge stretch by any means!

I'll revisit my 'calendar' files too!
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Found one of the old threads talking about it.

Thread: THE Middle Ages NEVER HAPPENED.

We could be up to 1000 years off.

There are other researchers that have focused just on the middle ages, giving a figure of about 400 years off. I'll see what else I can find.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Saw it noted once that the shroud of Turin dates to around 1200 CE

And just recently, ran across the theory that it was actually that of Apollonius'.

[link to www.apollonius.net]

The calendar being around 1000 years off makes this seem more plausible.
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Saw it noted once that the shroud of Turin dates to around 1200 CE

And just recently, ran across the theory that it was actually that of Apollonius'.

[link to www.apollonius.net]

The calendar being around 1000 years off makes this seem more plausible.
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


The Shroud of Turn isn't any human being. It is anatomically incorrect.

It is impossible to lay down dead on your back and keep your hands over your groin. Pure and simple physics. If you can put your hands over your groin while lying down with your shoulders on the floor like a dead person, you are deformed.

The shroud supposedly cloaked a dead person, but its hands primly cover its groin while supposedly the shoulders are laid down flat as in death.
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Saw it noted once that the shroud of Turin dates to around 1200 CE

And just recently, ran across the theory that it was actually that of Apollonius'.

[link to www.apollonius.net]

The calendar being around 1000 years off makes this seem more plausible.
 Quoting: Da Purple Chicken


The Shroud of Turn isn't any human being. It is anatomically incorrect.

It is impossible to lay down dead on your back and keep your hands over your groin. Pure and simple physics. If you can put your hands over your groin while lying down with your shoulders on the floor like a dead person, you are deformed.

The shroud supposedly cloaked a dead person, but its hands primly cover its groin while supposedly the shoulders are laid down flat as in death.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


LOL! Sandi! Good point. I have never delved deep into the shroud. However, even fake, it still significant when it comes to dating the creation of a world changing hoax.

Last Edited by Rev Woo-Woo on 02/12/2012 05:58 PM
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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Dr. Hans-Ulrich Niemitz's thesis on the missing years of the middle ages

[link to www.uwgb.edu]
“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson

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The Shroud of Turn isn't any human being. It is anatomically incorrect.

It is impossible to lay down dead on your back and keep your hands over your groin. Pure and simple physics. If you can put your hands over your groin while lying down with your shoulders on the floor like a dead person, you are deformed.

The shroud supposedly cloaked a dead person, but its hands primly cover its groin while supposedly the shoulders are laid down flat as in death.
 Quoting: Sandi_T


Sandi - how do you feel about Satan of the bible being a protaganist in the new age, and the god of the bible being a protaganist of the old?

just remember that only now do we live in a time where we can have so much love for the truth, but perhaps before people were better off believing they could go to hell for doing bad things. especially considering CSI wasn't around.
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almost like God and the Devil, angels and demons, swap roles dominating one another in accordance to what's good for human progress.
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First Jesus never left any religion, Remember he came to restore that which was lost...

"Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."

He fulfills the Old Testament... The prophecy.

Jesus is The Judge on Judgment Day, and Judgment day as we all should know must still happen and didn't happen since the times of Moses or Noah... SO all Religions who claim Jesus already came are under control of the devil. The Great lie is that Jesus already existed and died for our sins on a cross. But the Quran say Jesus didn't die on a cross and all is big illusion.

Let's look at verse 4:156-159 "That they rejected Faith; That they uttered against Mary A grave false charge; That they said (in boast): 'We killed Christ Jesus The son of Mary, The Messenger of Allah.' But they killed him not, Nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not. Nay, Allah raised him up Unto Himself; and Allah Is Exalted in Power, Wise. And there is none of the people of the book (Muslims and Christians) But must believe in him (Jesus) Before his death; And on the Day of Judgment He (Jesus) will be a witness Against them."

The promised Messiah is a Man as Moses who will lead the exodus out the doomed Babylon with his cometh star Wormwood...

Now the semitic name of Jesus... For so long I can remember Arabe is a Semitic language...

... Christian Arabs do not even call Esa by his European name ‘Jesus’, but by his Arab [and true] name ‘`Esa’, or by another name they invented: ‘Yasu`; they do not use the word ‘god’ to describe the Creator, but the Creator’s true name ‘Allah’.

Esa/ESSA/Isa/Iesa is Jesus' Arabic name.

Yishai = Esa

Neither the "J" nor the second "s" in the name Jesus is to be found in the original tongue - they are not found in the Semitic languages.
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sandi?
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The letter "J" Was never a letter in the alpabet until much later. So Jesus couldnt have existed during the time the modern bible says.
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yes he did you nonbelievers just try as hard as you can to prove hes fakethwak

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