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I would first like to say that I'm not advocating smoking in any way. I realize the health risk of smoking cigarettes and hope to quit one day. I am going to use the controversy of second hand smoke to illustrate how we're being manipulated by the media and government on a massive scale.

Lets say I lit a cigarette in a room full of babies. Think about how that makes you feel for a second. HMMMMM I can almost feel the outrage. Lets say in that same room I lit a fancy scented candle, out of reach of the babies of course. Most of you wouldn't blink an eye. Here is a copy pasted list of the emmisions of that pretty smelling candle: Candle soot was typically less than 1 µm, contained up to 66% elemental carbon and carried numerous adsorbed organic compounds including dibutyl phthalate, diethyl phthalate, toluene and styrene. Volatile organic compound emissions included benzene, styrene, toluene, ethyl benzene, naphthalene, acetylaldehyde, benzaldehyde, benzene, ethanol, and 2-butanone (methyl ethyl ketone). Analysis for lead revealed some candles emitted significant quantities of aerosolized lead during combustion.

Lead!! Benezene!! Styrene!! What the hell! Many of these chemicals I've been trained to transport and all the ones I recognise here require respirators, gloves, ect to handle. Especially benezene a known carcinogen. Heres the page: [link to www.lead.org.au] if you want to read further it compares candle emissions to diesel exaust.

What is the floor cleaned with that those babies are crawling on? Many hose hold cleaners have carcinogens that can be absorbed through the skin. [link to www.organicconsumers.org] Air fresheners? [link to energyfanatics.com]

I could go on all day. The point is why is second hand smoke is demonized to the point that I would get my ass kicked if I lit a cigarette in a room full of babies or any public place for that matter. Is it any worse that any of these other things? Not really, and I can prove it...... We'll I can prove it to people who don't drink the coolaid.

One of the major studies that the anti-secondhand smoke crowd cites as proof is an EPA study done back in 1992. Federal Judge William Osteen said this about the report: "First, there is evidence in the record supporting the accusation that EPA 'cherry picked' its data. ... In order to confirm its hypothesis, EPA maintained its standard significance level but lowered the confidence interval to 90 percent. This allowed EPA to confirm its hypothesis by finding a relative risk of 1.19, albeit a very weak association. ... EPA cannot show a statistically significant association between [SHS] and lung cancer."
The judge added, "EPA publicly committed to a conclusion before the research had begun; adjusted established procedure and scientific norms to validate its conclusion; and aggressively utilized its authority to disseminate findings to establish a de facto regulatory scheme to influence public opinion."

Of course this is just one of the studies done on second hand smoke but it proves bias by a government, supposedly, scientific study. The findings of this study were vacated by court in 1998 but anti-smoking groups still reference the study as proof. In this study the RR or realitive risk was 1.19 a paper doesn't even get published unless its 3 or more.

"As a general rule of thumb, we are looking for a relative risk of 3 or more before accepting a paper for publication." - Marcia Angell, editor of the New England Journal of Medicine"

"My basic rule is if the relative risk isn't at least 3 or 4, forget it." - Robert Temple, director of drug evaluation at the Food and Drug Administration.

"Relative risks of less than 2 are considered small and are usually difficult to interpret. Such increases may be due to chance, statistical bias, or the effect of confounding factors that are sometimes not evident." - The National Cancer Institute

"An association is generally considered weak if the odds ratio [relative risk] is under 3.0 and particularly when it is under 2.0, as is the case in the relationship of ETS and lung cancer." - Dr. Kabat, IAQC epidemiologist

Most of the studies have a RR of less than three and most of those are suspect. So why would those studies get published and the media exaggerate the risk?? I've got a pretty good idea but lets look into this a little deeper. This web site links to tons of sutdies that show no risk or very little risk of illness by second hand smoke. [link to www.forces.org]

Even if the study were correct in favor of the ban smoking crowd a relative risk of 1.19 is .19 over the base line thats a 19% increase in odds of getting a smoking related disease over a non-smoker an actual smoker only has a 19% chance of getting a smoking related disease over a non smoker so whats the percent chance of getting lung cancer for the whole population smokers and non smokers? Less than one 0.1% according to the CDC (I had to do the math) but here's the link [link to www.cdc.gov]

Why would anyone go crazy over a .119% chance of getting cancer?? You take a bigger chance just driving to work.

To put things into perspective the odds of getting shot at the Superbowl were 1199 to 1 and the odds of experencing rapid acceleration in a Toyota is 13500 to 1. The odds of getting cancer from second hand smoke is almost nil.


I could hammer on this all day but the point is we are being manupulated so powerful crooks can get rich. Do you think the extra cigarette taxs actually go to offset the medical cost of smokers? It goes into a black hole and comes out the other side in the form of bailouts for cocksuckers who want all your tax money. They use every little dirty trick in the book to wring more money out of us and get more powerful in the process. The nonsmoker and even anti-smoker should be outraged at this. Its only a matter of time before we have a fast food tax, because it make us fat, and we need the tax to offset the outrageous medical cost from the "epidemic" of obesity.

The lies we are fed are warping our minds with crazy distorted realities that will compell a mother or father to be outraged at someone smoking around their children and then go buy those same precious children a skateboard they can ride in the street or a trampoline. Don't get me wrong kids need to ride skate boards and jump on trampolines. I'm just making the point that the powers that be use the save the children mantra to push agendas and scare people and people buy it with out even checking the price.
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Hey man, try again and this time, include paragraphs and maybe somebody will read it.
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Hey man, try again and this time, include paragraphs and maybe somebody will read it.
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Hey man, try again and this time, include paragraphs and maybe somebody will read it.
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agreed stoned
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Sorry about that. I don't know why the paragraphs didn't copy paste over. I wrote this a couple years ago and just found it today.
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bump

because there's a a lot of good stuff in here even though its poorly written.
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Isn't it funny how much tobacco has been demonized that you start a post by saying "I'm not advocating smoking" - but no one comes on and says "I'm not advocating drinking" or "I'm not advocating drugs."

Last night Bill O'Reilly was talking about obesity and said how he advocated Michelle Obama's Let's Move campaign. Said it was good to demonize fattening foods the same way they demonized tobacco because it WORKED. I wanted to slam the TV. They didn't demonize tobacco, they demonized SMOKERS. I've been harassed on the sidewalk, in my CAR at traffic lights, and even had a road rage incident where some guy drove me off the road and came at my car yelling about cigarettes! The same thing will happen to obese kids. THEY will be demonized, not the Twinkies.
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Isn't it funny how much tobacco has been demonized that you start a post by saying "I'm not advocating smoking" - but no one comes on and says "I'm not advocating drinking" or "I'm not advocating drugs."

Last night Bill O'Reilly was talking about obesity and said how he advocated Michelle Obama's Let's Move campaign. Said it was good to demonize fattening foods the same way they demonized tobacco because it WORKED. I wanted to slam the TV. They didn't demonize tobacco, they demonized SMOKERS. I've been harassed on the sidewalk, in my CAR at traffic lights, and even had a road rage incident where some guy drove me off the road and came at my car yelling about cigarettes! The same thing will happen to obese kids. THEY will be demonized, not the Twinkies.
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It is getting out of hand. I lit a cigarette after I stepped outside the airport, no one was within 15 feet of me. The security flagged me down to tell me there's no smoking in that area. I was in a covered area by the baggage claim with diesel exaust, car exaust all around me but I dare not smoke a cigarette. Fuck Stupid laws.
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I'm in favor of smokers having the right to smoke all they want. I just want the right to not inhale their smoke or see their butts all over the ground.

Children should be able to breathe clean air for their little lungs. When they turn into adults, they can choose to smoke or not. Until then, keep your smoke away from them. (And keep your scented candles, incense, and scented room sprays.)

Enjoy your tobacco, just be nice to the rest of us.
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I'm in favor of smokers having the right to smoke all they want. I just want the right to not inhale their smoke or see their butts all over the ground.

Children should be able to breathe clean air for their little lungs. When they turn into adults, they can choose to smoke or not. Until then, keep your smoke away from them. (And keep your scented candles, incense, and scented room sprays.)

Enjoy your tobacco, just be nice to the rest of us.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


Both my parents were 2 pack a day smokers for 40 years. My siblings and I suffered for this.

The youngest nearly died from asthma since birth.
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I'm in favor of smokers having the right to smoke all they want. I just want the right to not inhale their smoke or see their butts all over the ground.

Children should be able to breathe clean air for their little lungs. When they turn into adults, they can choose to smoke or not. Until then, keep your smoke away from them. (And keep your scented candles, incense, and scented room sprays.)

Enjoy your tobacco, just be nice to the rest of us.
 Quoting: samanthasunflower


Both my parents were 2 pack a day smokers for 40 years. My siblings and I suffered for this.

The youngest nearly died from asthma since birth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10438365


I don't smoke around kids. I was just using that as an example. The point that I was trying to make is that the risk are greatly overstated. There is always an example of how some one was effected badly by cigarette smoke. The question is would there have been asthma if there were no smokers in the house? I know my cousins 3 out of 3 in one household with no smokers had asthma. My dad smoked 2 packs a day, my brother or I never had any problems. Smoking always gets singled out as the cause no matter about science.
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SOMEBODY still has cached on their hard drive the FIRST world health org study on 2nd hand smoke
and it was scrubbed clean /scoured AWAY
due to the study PROVING THAT 2ND HAND SMOKE
does NOTHING
and households WITH SMOKERS their kids had a lower incidence of ASTHMA.

I SMOKE my own mother/grandmother/aunts uncles etc etc SMOKED INDOORS in crowded apartments
and not a one of us with asthma,heart diseases etc.


2nd hand smoke bs is a highly developed form of pure unadulterated JUNK SCIENCE
that was necessary to pave the way for MAN MADE GLOBULL WARMING.

[link to www.davehitt.com]
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I would first like to say that I'm not advocating smoking in any way. I realize the health risk of smoking cigarettes and hope to quit one day. I am going to use the controversy of second hand smoke to illustrate how we're being manipulated by the media and government on a massive scale.

Lets say I lit a cigarette in a room full of babies. Think about how that makes you feel for a second. HMMMMM I can almost feel the outrage. Lets say in that same room I lit a fancy scented candle, out of reach of the babies of course. Most of you wouldn't blink an eye. Here is a copy pasted list of the emmisions of that pretty smelling candle: Candle soot was typically less than 1 µm, contained up to 66% elemental carbon and carried numerous adsorbed organic compounds including dibutyl phthalate, diethyl phthalate, toluene and styrene. Volatile organic compound emissions included benzene, styrene, toluene, ethyl benzene, naphthalene, acetylaldehyde, benzaldehyde, benzene, ethanol, and 2-butanone (methyl ethyl ketone). Analysis for lead revealed some candles emitted significant quantities of aerosolized lead during combustion.

Lead!! Benezene!! Styrene!! What the hell! Many of these chemicals I've been trained to transport and all the ones I recognise here require respirators, gloves, ect to handle. Especially benezene a known carcinogen. Heres the page: [link to www.lead.org.au] if you want to read further it compares candle emissions to diesel exaust.

What is the floor cleaned with that those babies are crawling on? Many hose hold cleaners have carcinogens that can be absorbed through the skin. [link to www.organicconsumers.org] Air fresheners? [link to energyfanatics.com]

I could go on all day. The point is why is second hand smoke is demonized to the point that I would get my ass kicked if I lit a cigarette in a room full of babies or any public place for that matter. Is it any worse that any of these other things? Not really, and I can prove it...... We'll I can prove it to people who don't drink the coolaid.

One of the major studies that the anti-secondhand smoke crowd cites as proof is an EPA study done back in 1992. Federal Judge William Osteen said this about the report: "First, there is evidence in the record supporting the accusation that EPA 'cherry picked' its data. ... In order to confirm its hypothesis, EPA maintained its standard significance level but lowered the confidence interval to 90 percent. This allowed EPA to confirm its hypothesis by finding a relative risk of 1.19, albeit a very weak association. ... EPA cannot show a statistically significant association between [SHS] and lung cancer."
The judge added, "EPA publicly committed to a conclusion before the research had begun; adjusted established procedure and scientific norms to validate its conclusion; and aggressively utilized its authority to disseminate findings to establish a de facto regulatory scheme to influence public opinion."

Of course this is just one of the studies done on second hand smoke but it proves bias by a government, supposedly, scientific study. The findings of this study were vacated by court in 1998 but anti-smoking groups still reference the study as proof. In this study the RR or realitive risk was 1.19 a paper doesn't even get published unless its 3 or more.

"As a general rule of thumb, we are looking for a relative risk of 3 or more before accepting a paper for publication." - Marcia Angell, editor of the New England Journal of Medicine"

"My basic rule is if the relative risk isn't at least 3 or 4, forget it." - Robert Temple, director of drug evaluation at the Food and Drug Administration.

"Relative risks of less than 2 are considered small and are usually difficult to interpret. Such increases may be due to chance, statistical bias, or the effect of confounding factors that are sometimes not evident." - The National Cancer Institute

"An association is generally considered weak if the odds ratio [relative risk] is under 3.0 and particularly when it is under 2.0, as is the case in the relationship of ETS and lung cancer." - Dr. Kabat, IAQC epidemiologist

Most of the studies have a RR of less than three and most of those are suspect. So why would those studies get published and the media exaggerate the risk?? I've got a pretty good idea but lets look into this a little deeper. This web site links to tons of sutdies that show no risk or very little risk of illness by second hand smoke. [link to www.forces.org]

Even if the study were correct in favor of the ban smoking crowd a relative risk of 1.19 is .19 over the base line thats a 19% increase in odds of getting a smoking related disease over a non-smoker an actual smoker only has a 19% chance of getting a smoking related disease over a non smoker so whats the percent chance of getting lung cancer for the whole population smokers and non smokers? Less than one 0.1% according to the CDC (I had to do the math) but here's the link [link to www.cdc.gov]

Why would anyone go crazy over a .119% chance of getting cancer?? You take a bigger chance just driving to work.

To put things into perspective the odds of getting shot at the Superbowl were 1199 to 1 and the odds of experencing rapid acceleration in a Toyota is 13500 to 1. The odds of getting cancer from second hand smoke is almost nil.


I could hammer on this all day but the point is we are being manupulated so powerful crooks can get rich. Do you think the extra cigarette taxs actually go to offset the medical cost of smokers? It goes into a black hole and comes out the other side in the form of bailouts for cocksuckers who want all your tax money. They use every little dirty trick in the book to wring more money out of us and get more powerful in the process. The nonsmoker and even anti-smoker should be outraged at this. Its only a matter of time before we have a fast food tax, because it make us fat, and we need the tax to offset the outrageous medical cost from the "epidemic" of obesity.

The lies we are fed are warping our minds with crazy distorted realities that will compell a mother or father to be outraged at someone smoking around their children and then go buy those same precious children a skateboard they can ride in the street or a trampoline. Don't get me wrong kids need to ride skate boards and jump on trampolines. I'm just making the point that the powers that be use the save the children mantra to push agendas and scare people and people buy it with out even checking the price.
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most of their minds are already warped.

They hear and then use repeater phrases as they have been taught.

They have been taught to believe in something that may sound like the truth.

They have also been taught not to find their own truths as well.

Therein lies the problem.

Knowing a believing are two different things, but they can't know this. They are not allowed to know this.

They have trained themselves.
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Another analogy would be the cigarette and the car, though some would call this weak.

Which would you rather to stand in...a garage for half an hour with a running car or half an hour in the garage with 20 smokers???

The answer is simple unless you are on a suicide mission.

Yet they get behind each other at stop signs and red lights without so much as a whimper...

Oh but the exhaust process has been made so much cleaner... YET I see not a one backing up that claim by even getting near an exhaust pipe of a vehicle, much less breathing it in.

The air is so choked with exhaust fumes, most of them forget what real clean air smells like.
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The air is so choked with exhaust fumes, most of them forget what real clean air smells like.
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This is the truth.

A few years a go I spent a full day outside walking around the city of York England (a solid 8 hours). Medieval walled in village with vikings. V cool place.

When I got back home, the clothes I wore that day still smelled so fresh, and clean, and amazing. Much different hanging them on the line in my backyard...no contest.

We're all sucking on a baseline car exhaust aroma.
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My attitude is that, like all other perverted acts, smoking should be confined to consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes. Can you name any other obnoxious habit that is given so much leeway?
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My attitude is that, like all other perverted acts, smoking should be confined to consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes. Can you name any other obnoxious habit that is given so much leeway?
 Quoting: ToSeek


drinking alcohol.

eating.

watching TV.

getting married.

having babies.
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Another analogy would be the cigarette and the car, though some would call this weak.

Which would you rather to stand in...a garage for half an hour with a running car or half an hour in the garage with 20 smokers???

The answer is simple unless you are on a suicide mission.

Yet they get behind each other at stop signs and red lights without so much as a whimper...

Oh but the exhaust process has been made so much cleaner... YET I see not a one backing up that claim by even getting near an exhaust pipe of a vehicle, much less breathing it in.

The air is so choked with exhaust fumes, most of them forget what real clean air smells like.
 Quoting: Jammer


This ^ reminds me of my original intent with this post. This is an example of state sponsored brainwashing. I'm old enough that I still remember when no one cared about other people smoking. People used to smoke in restaurants and nobody ever complained. The anti-smoking ad campaigns started then restaurants started having non-smoking areas. Still you never heard people talk about how smoking stank or was a dirty disgusting habit. I personally never thought of cigarette smoke as a bad smell. Then the really hard core ad's started. The schools were inundated with anti-smoking campaigns. This was the same time frame that farmers still sprayed there crops with DDT.... anyway to get to the point. The militant anti-smoking attitude you see now increased as the anti-smoking adds increased. TPTB waited until the population was properly primed then hit us with the tax.
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My attitude is that, like all other perverted acts, smoking should be confined to consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes. Can you name any other obnoxious habit that is given so much leeway?
 Quoting: ToSeek


(little up arrow) THIS proves my point. Enjoying a cigarette is now a "perverted" act. How about people that have the habit of walking around being a judgemental asshole. To me thats far worse than smoking a cigatette.
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The current witch hunt has turned some into "closet-smokers."
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2nd hand smoke induced illness-excepting those with real lung issues and then almost anything can bother them- is like human caused climate change-bullshit.

The OP is 100% correct about all the household cleaners etc. Yet the sheeple jump all over the smoking thing.
sarcasm
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(little up arrow) THIS proves my point. Enjoying a cigarette is now a "perverted" act. How about people that have the habit of walking around being a judgemental asshole. To me thats far worse than smoking a cigatette.
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I'm not judgmental - I'm just sick and tired of having meals and walks ruined because some cigarette smoker just has to puff away right where I am. If you want to ruin your own life, go ahead - in private. But leave me the fuck alone.

(As for "perverted", cigarette smoking is a smelly, obnoxious, anti-social, poisonous, self-destructive act. Judged objectively, it's a lot more perverted than doing someone up the rear.)
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Very thought provoking. There are so many things out there much worse then second hand smoke.
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SOMEBODY still has cached on their hard drive the FIRST world health org study on 2nd hand smoke
and it was scrubbed clean /scoured AWAY
due to the study PROVING THAT 2ND HAND SMOKE
does NOTHING
and households WITH SMOKERS their kids had a lower incidence of ASTHMA.

I SMOKE my own mother/grandmother/aunts uncles etc etc SMOKED INDOORS in crowded apartments
and not a one of us with asthma,heart diseases etc.


2nd hand smoke bs is a highly developed form of pure unadulterated JUNK SCIENCE
that was necessary to pave the way for MAN MADE GLOBULL WARMING.

[link to www.davehitt.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1169966


Yea! someone who has bothered to do some research.

In fact, a Scottish study appeared to show that exposure to second hand smoke increased the average lifespan of those exposed.

As far as I know, no independently verified study has ever PROVEN that smoking causes cancer.

NONE.

However, there have been studies on the effects of radioactive particle inhaled and that has been proven to cause cancer in every test except the one where they accidentally used mice that had previously been used in a smoking study.

Imagine that, smoking as a prophylactic for inhaled radioactive particles.

And all you 'don't expose me to smoke babies':
The absolutely worst substances have no odor, no smell, no taste and you are breathing them in day in and day out.
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I'm not judgmental - I'm just sick and tired of having meals and walks ruined because some cigarette smoker just has to puff away right where I am. If you want to ruin your own life, go ahead - in private. But leave me the fuck alone.

(As for "perverted", cigarette smoking is a smelly, obnoxious, anti-social, poisonous, self-destructive act. Judged objectively, it's a lot more perverted than doing someone up the rear.)
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And I am sick and tired of busy-body do-gooders.

And by the way, you are most definitely judgmental.
Your insipid little rant proves it.

dumb-ass
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I'm not judgmental - I'm just sick and tired of having meals and walks ruined because some cigarette smoker just has to puff away right where I am. If you want to ruin your own life, go ahead - in private. But leave me the fuck alone.

(As for "perverted", cigarette smoking is a smelly, obnoxious, anti-social, poisonous, self-destructive act. Judged objectively, it's a lot more perverted than doing someone up the rear.)
 Quoting: ToSeek


And I am sick and tired of busy-body do-gooders.

And by the way, you are most definitely judgmental.
Your insipid little rant proves it.

dumb-ass
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 108458


Okay, I am judgmental, and I think all smokers are obnoxious, self-destructive idiots who don't give a crap about their fellow human beings. Your posts demonstrate that to a "t".

I don't piss in your water. Don't smoke in my air.
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Re: Resonable conclusions about second hand smoke
"I don't piss in your water. Don't smoke in my air."


YOU MOST CERTAINLY DO "PISS IN MY WATER", AMONG A HOST OF OTHER CHEMICALS, GET OFF THE HIGH HORSE AND JOIN THE REST OF US PEONS!


Besides, no one gets out of here alive anyway...


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Re: Resonable conclusions about second hand smoke
It's not really worth it, buying them new is better value for money.

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