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THE PLACE OF TORMENT AND HELL IS REAL! THIS IS LIFE AFTER DEATH! YOU CHOOSE

 
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THE PLACE OF TORMENT AND HELL IS REAL! THIS IS LIFE AFTER DEATH! YOU CHOOSE
I share this with you as a follow up to the last topic "NOBODY GOES TO HEAVEN WHEN YOU DIE".I am moved to present this because we live in a time of complacency and religious lies and fables.The theologians and seminarians controlled by jewish converts to christianity called "MARRANOS"/"CONVERTOS" are in league with their Jewish original judaism cult.

These are the ones who came out of spain and portugal and infested the americas with the christian roman catholic doctrines .They converted all natives around the world via the slave trade. After these were protestanism which carried on the same ideologies with a different twist [PAULISM] but same agenda.

These men are who the father been waging war since creation and are the seeds of satan the children of Esau.Many books were taken out of the christian bibles by these men and cannonized and butchered the translations in order to promote rebellion in the fathers kingdom.

Important books have been removed and deemed forbidden and hence we were forced into believing theologians own philosophy and misdirection in the knowledge of the most high.



LIFE AFTER DEATH? WHAT REALLY HAPPENS

I make a strong case as I show you from the book of Esdras the mystery of the dead as explained by Y'SHAYAH in luke chapter 16 of your bibles

For the apochrypha ESDRA/EZRA CHAPTER 7 VERSES 75 TO 101

[link to www.bibleword.org]
This is a link someone has since I cannot post a pdf from my bible

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 12/10/2012 11:37 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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[The] State of the Dead before Judgment


THE STATE OF THE UNRIGHTEOUS
75I answered and said, "If I have found favor in your sight, O Lord, show this also to your servant: whether after death, as soon as everyone of us yields up the soul, we shall be kept in rest until those times come when you will renew the creation, or whether we shall be tormented at once?"

76He answered me and said, "I will show you that also, but do not include yourself with those who have shown scorn, or number yourself among those who are tormented.

77For you have a treasure of works stored up with the Most High, but it will not be shown to you until the last times.

78Now concerning death, the teaching is: When the decisive decree has gone out from the Most High that a person shall die, as the spirit leaves the body to return again to him who gave it, first of all it adores the glory of the Most High.

79If it is one of those who have shown scorn and have not kept the way of the Most High, who have despised his law and hated those who fear God-

80such spirits shall not enter into habitations, but shall immediately wander about in torments, always grieving and sad, in seven ways.

81The first way, because they have scorned the law of the Most High.

82The second way, because they cannot now make a good repentance so that they may live.

83The third way, they shall see the reward laid up for those who have trusted the covenants of the Most High.

84The fourth way, they shall consider the torment laid up for themselves in the last days.

85The fifth way, they shall see how the habitations of the others are guarded by angels in profound quiet. luke chapter 16

86The sixth way, they shall see how some of them will cross over into torments. luke chapter 16


87The seventh way, which is worse than all the ways that have been mentioned, because they shall utterly waste away in confusion and be consumed with shame, and shall wither with fear at seeing the glory of the Most High in whose presence they sinned while they were alive, and in whose presence they are to be judged in the last times.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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THE STATE OF THE RIGHTEOUS


88"Now this is the order of those who have kept the ways of the Most High, when they shall be separated from their mortal body.

89During the time that they lived in it, they laboriously served the Most High, and withstood danger every hour so that they might keep the law of the Lawgiver perfectly.

90Therefore this is the teaching concerning them:

91First of all, they shall see with great joy the glory of him who receives them, for they shall have rest in seven orders.

92The first order, because they have striven with great effort to overcome the evil thought that was formed with them, so that it might not lead them astray from life into death.

93The second order, because they see the perplexity in which the souls of the ungodly wander and the punishment that awaits them.

94The third order, they see the witness that he who formed them bears concerning them, that throughout their life they kept the law with which they were entrusted.


95The fourth order, they understand the rest that they now enjoy, being gathered into their chambers and guarded by angels in profound quiet, and the glory waiting for them in the last days.


96The fifth order, they rejoice that they have now escaped what is corruptible and shall inherit what is to come; and besides they see the straits and toil from which they have been delivered, and the spacious liberty that they are to receive and enjoy in immortality.

97The sixth order, when it is shown them how their face is to shine like the sun, and how they are to be made like the light of the stars, being incorruptible from then on.

98The seventh order, which is greater than all that have been mentioned, because they shall rejoice with boldness, and shall be confident without confusion, and shall be glad without fear, for they press forward to see the face of him whom they served in life and from whom they are to receive their reward when glorified.
[NOTE:"THE RIGHTEOUS ARE IN THOSE CHAMBERS ABRAHAMS BOSOM WAITING TO SEE THE FATHERS FACE"]


99This is the order of the souls of the righteous, as henceforth is announced; and the previously mentioned are the ways of torment that those who would not give heed shall suffer hereafter."

100Then I answered and said, "Will time therefore be given to the souls, after they have been separated from the bodies, to see what you have described to me?"

101He said to me, "They shall have freedom for seven days, so that during these seven days they may see the things of which you have been told, and afterwards they shall be gathered in their habitations."


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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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M,JJK,J

LISTEN TO THE BOOK!


Some of you keeping telling people there is no law! keep doing that you will have your day

Some of you keep telling people there is no hell! keep on you will have your day


I beg of you this is real! STOP! and repent and humble yourself and walk in truth and obedience.
YOU CHRISITANS STOP BEING CHRISTIANS AND BECAME DISCIPLES OF THE MOST HIGH.

FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS account! and again compare it to luke chapter 16: The story of lazarus [link to www.biblestudytools.com]


luke chapter 16



¶ The law, and the prophets reigned until the time of Ihon: Since that time, the kingdom of God is preached, and every man striveth to go in.
¶ Sooner shall heaven and earth perish, than one tittle of the law shall perish
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¶ There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple, and fine rayons, and fared deliciously every day. And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, which lay at his gate full of sores desiring to be refreshed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's board. Nevertheless, the dogs came, and licked his sores. And it fortuned that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: The rich man also died, and was buried in hell.
¶ When he lift up his eyes, as he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom, And cried and said: father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue, for I am tormented in this flame. Abraham said unto him: Son remember, that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy pleasure, and contrariwise Lazarus pain. Now therefore is he comforted, and thou art punished. Beyond all this between you and us there is a great space set, so that they which would go from hence to you, cannot: neither from thence come hither.
¶ And he said: I pray thee therefore father, send him to my father's house. For I have five brethren: for to warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham said unto him: they have Moses and the prophets, let them hear them. And he said: nay father Abraham, but if one from the dead came unto them they would repent. He said unto him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, though one rose from death again.

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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OP you are right and the laws of the most high are the old testament , i give up christianity and chose to be isrealite and live best i can by the laws of the most high


1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.


2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6 “You shall not murder.

7 “You shall not commit adultery.

8 “You shall not steal.

9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

no pork

no shell fish

got circumcised

dont work on the Sabbath

should wear white linen or wool but dont mix both



you should add to the list of laws to the list above so everyone knows what the laws are ..
i dont wana go in the basement , im gona burn the building ....
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OP you are right and the laws of the most high are the old testament , i give up christianity and chose to be isrealite and live best i can by the laws of the most high


1 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me.


2 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My Commandments.

3 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

4 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

5 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

6 “You shall not murder.

7 “You shall not commit adultery.

8 “You shall not steal.

9 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10 “You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.”

no pork

no shell fish

got circumcised

dont work on the Sabbath

should wear white linen or wool but dont mix both



you should add to the list of laws to the list above so everyone knows what the laws are ..
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very good the only thing is circumcision is no longer reqired as one of the mosaic laws.When you come into the new covenant by making that agreement with THE MOST HIGH tHE LAW WILL BE IN YOUR SPIRIT DUE TO LOVE AND COMMITTMENT TO THE CREATOR..

ALL IN ALL VERY GOOD FOR YOU
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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I'm seeing the letters but im not caring how they are arranged.
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dump the bible.
walk naked in the woods.
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I'm seeing the letters but im not caring how they are arranged.
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?sheep
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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dump the bible.
walk naked in the woods.
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if you only knew how precious you are as a mexican people you will wise up "Ishychara'

mi gente sufre mucho debido a la ignorancia

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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OP what you have spent effort posting, is a lot of earth lies. we have been without truth for so long now...........man has books and books full of superstition which cannot be accurately interpreted.
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 Quoting: neim777


OP what you have spent effort posting, is a lot of earth lies. we have been without truth for so long now...........man has books and books full of superstition which cannot be accurately interpreted.
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ok bye-bye imp
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Honestly, I don't mean to rain on your parade but..


WE ARE LIVING HERE ON EARTH NOW.

WE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS TO DEAL WITH.




Why are people soooooo concerned with the after life, when we have real fuckin shit to do DOWN HERE?


I'm not saying I don't believe in God.

I'm not saying I don't believe in afterlife.

I'm saying that we need to keep our feet on the ground, and our heads out of the clouds, before we loose everything our fore-fathers fought for long ago.


Seesh.
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Honestly, I don't mean to rain on your parade but..


WE ARE LIVING HERE ON EARTH NOW.

WE HAVE REAL PROBLEMS TO DEAL WITH.




Why are people soooooo concerned with the after life, when we have real fuckin shit to do DOWN HERE?


I'm not saying I don't believe in God.

I'm not saying I don't believe in afterlife.

I'm saying that we need to keep our feet on the ground, and our heads out of the clouds, before we loose everything our fore-fathers fought for long ago.


Seesh.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


ok Mason keep feeding your pyramid satanic structure
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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Life on earth= tiny segment of time. Eternity=forever...THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH AFTER WE LEAVE HERE NERD!
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You begin with condemning romanism as a jewish plot then go right to quoting apocryphal UNINSPIRED books?

JESUS in Matthew 13:23-47 explains. No so-called "paulism" required.

Paul's writings are inspired and in full agreement with the rest of the NT books.

ANY pastor Jewish or not 1) is no different than reading what I'm writing right now 2) are reproved with scripture.

You can take your catholic books and go shovel them.
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"...to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." II Cor.5:8

"Wherefore seeing we also are encompassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses..." Heb.12:1a


I think I would rather believe the Bible than a man's opinion.
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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Life on earth= tiny segment of time. Eternity=forever...THAT'S WHY WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED WITH AFTER WE LEAVE HERE NERD!
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Thank you...hence the reason nobody wants to address this even the pagan church.Thee reason is they teach that the laws are done away with so if these teachings remain alive and easily available then the mases will give a better account of their lives. They do not want that, they are steering people to hell through rebelloin.

SATAN is already transformed into an angel of light and it is the pagan church he rules over
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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ONE TRUTH.......... many realities.

I am amazed at the personal evidence I have in my life for the persistance and interconnectivity with this domain of the human soul.

I believe that you will take with you what you are inside to the other side. If you take guilt with you, you will be tormeneted by it.....etc

I believe you will stay connected for a time to this world and will try to express yourself to those still living. They may or may not hear you.

Personal experience has taught me that much.

Each of us creates a personal truth(reality) about the totality of what exists around us. The TRUTH(the way things are even without a conscieousness to interpret them) is like a rock never moving and may or may not relate to an individuals personal reality.
One Truth.... many realities
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"...to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." II Cor.5:8

"Wherefore seeing we also are encompassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses..." Heb.12:1a


I think I would rather believe the Bible than a man's opinion.
 Quoting: Wingedlion


eccliastics tells you when a man dies the spirit goes back to The father who gave it..

This not referring to believers only but ALL MEN. The breadth of life the soul of man travels back and then placed in chambers based on your life.


In hebrews it is referring to righteous dead. while in abrahams bosom it is a place of comfort and prayer and peace and it is a place prepared of the lord until the judgement.After the great judgement we will all be with the lord ruling on the earth

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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ONE TRUTH.......... many realities.

I am amazed at the personal evidence I have in my life for the persistance and interconnectivity with this domain of the human soul.

I believe that you will take with you what you are inside to the other side. If you take guilt with you, you will be tormeneted by it.....etc

I believe you will stay connected for a time to this world and will try to express yourself to those still living. They may or may not hear you.

Personal experience has taught me that much.

Each of us creates a personal truth(reality) about the totality of what exists around us. The TRUTH(the way things are even without a conscieousness to interpret them) is like a rock never moving and may or may not relate to an individuals personal reality.
 Quoting: scimitar


well thats your belief belive what the creator showed us ...MANS OWN VISION AND PHILOSPHY IS NOTHING
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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"...to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." II Cor.5:8

"Wherefore seeing we also are encompassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses..." Heb.12:1a


I think I would rather believe the Bible than a man's opinion.
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THE GREAT CLOUDS OF WITNESSES THAT ENCOMPASSES ARE THE ANGELS WHICH LOOK OVER THE SAINTS DAILY..

PSALMS: The angels of the lord encamps around those who love the lord
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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well thats your belief belive what the creator showed us ...MANS OWN VISION AND PHILOSPHY IS NOTHING
 Quoting: scimitar


Who wrote the words that showed you the creators desires and why are you compelled to believe them?

Have you every felt something inside that you believe was imparted to you from the creator?

Mans own handwritting driven by his beliefs and perceived reality is what you are reading.

His inspiration to write what we now consider religious text is no different than the inspiration we can feel today.

I certainly feel the presense of spiritual power when I focus my mind on the energy of the Creator.

Do you not in and of yourself without external influence feel your connection to GOD?
One Truth.... many realities
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dump the bible.
walk naked in the woods.
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if you only knew how precious you are as a mexican people you will wise up "Ishychara'

mi gente sufre mucho debido a la ignorancia
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until mexico forgive malinche, the conquest will not end.
i walk in beauty. this is all that matters
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dump the bible.
walk naked in the woods.
 Quoting: xxx 10523166


if you only knew how precious you are as a mexican people you will wise up "Ishychara'

mi gente sufre mucho debido a la ignorancia
 Quoting: neim777

until mexico forgive malinche, the conquest will not end.
i walk in beauty. this is all that matters
 Quoting: xxx 10523166


así sea obstinado hermano de mío

Last Edited by Neim-Ya'shar on 02/11/2012 12:43 PM
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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well thats your belief belive what the creator showed us ...MANS OWN VISION AND PHILOSPHY IS NOTHING
 Quoting: scimitar


Who wrote the words that showed you the creators desires and why are you compelled to believe them?

Have you every felt something inside that you believe was imparted to you from the creator?

Mans own handwritting driven by his beliefs and perceived reality is what you are reading.

His inspiration to write what we now consider religious text is no different than the inspiration we can feel today.

I certainly feel the presense of spiritual power when I focus my mind on the energy of the Creator.

Do you not in and of yourself without external influence feel your connection to GOD?
 Quoting: neim777


?
1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
:knoup:
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The bible gives no credible account of anything since it was written by Annunaki.


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Not true

THE BOOK OF ESDRAS/EZRA WAS ALWAYS PART OF THE BIBLE UNTIL YOUR CATHOLICS AND PROTESTANTS DECIDED TO ELIMINATE THEM AND OTHER BOOKS DEEMING THEM FORBIDDEN.

LUKE CHAPTER 16 THE ACCOUNT BY THE MESSIAH IS VERY MUCH THE SAME ACCOUNT OF THE AFTERLIFE

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1 But these took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt,
42 That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land.
43 And they entered into Euphrates by the narrow places of the river.
44 For the most High then shewed signs for them, and held still the flood, till they were passed over.
45 For through that country there was a great way to go, namely, of a year and a half: and the same region is called Arsareth.
46 Then dwelt they there until the latter time; and now when they shall begin to come,
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