The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 8598974 Iceland 02/12/2012 05:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him Isaiah 53:2 For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. snapshots.... just like snapshots of our lives. I have often puzzled over this verse... maybe it mens a snapshot of him when he had been tortured, beaten, excoriated on His way to the Cross or while He was in torment on the Cross. All snapshots of the most attractive celebrities in our world are not attractive, even though they can look ragingly beautiful after a makeup session or on the screen. They look very ordinary in pictures of them when they have not been "made up"... Even the Lord Himself probably had days when he was exhausted and snapshots of Him would have "had not beauty.." maybe... it's a puzzlement.... Just remember God uses the weak, the unattractive, the insignificant people in mighty ways.... Correct. Isaiah´s description is after the torture: He was disfigured by the romans. The Description of Publius Lentullus is also correct. Many including myself have seen Christ, or had visions or dreams. These support both descriptions or "snapshots". |
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Bel Z. Bug User ID: 1331320 United States 02/12/2012 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him wool means exactly what it means, texture of the sheep. Africans have the closest hair type to sheep texture. Hence, African hair referred to as wooly. GAME OVER LOL! you need to go read Daniel as John is paraphrasing an earlier source to make the description. Quoting: Bel Z. Bug Dan 7:9 ¶ I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment [was] white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne [was like] the fiery flame, [and] his wheels [as] burning fire. HAIR LIKE THE PURE WOOL, BUDDY! [link to tvtbt.files.wordpress.com] Quoting: Bel Z. Bug Jesus had WOOLY (Kinky) hair and BRONZE (Black) skin as described by John on the isle of Patmos. Not true. The bible says that Jesus' hair was as white as wool and snow, not wooly. If I were to say for instance that you are as black as tar, it means that only the colour of tar is applicable. I did not mean that you are as smelly or sticky as tar. Only the whiteness is mentioned. The bible also says that his head and his hair was as white as wool and snow. Take a head minus the hair, what do you have? Yes his face was white. Wool in the Bible does not mean a BRILLO PAD.. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 991384 United States 02/12/2012 05:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him [link to www.thenazareneway.com] Quoting: Salt The Description of Publius Lentullus The following was taken from a manuscript in the possession of Lord Kelly, and in his library, and was copied from an original letter of Publius Lentullus at Rome. It being the usual custom of Roman Governors to advertise the Senate and people of such material things as happened in their provinces in the days of Tiberius Caesar, Publius Lentullus, President of Judea, wrote the following epistle to the Senate concerning the Nazarene called Jesus. "There appeared in these our days a man, of the Jewish Nation, of great virtue, named Yeshua [Jesus], who is yet living among us, and of the Gentiles is accepted for a Prophet of truth, but His own disciples call Him the Son of God- He raiseth the dead and cureth all manner of diseases. A man of stature somewhat tall, and comely, with very reverent countenance, such as the beholders may both love and fear, his hair of (the colour of) the chestnut, full ripe, plain to His ears, whence downwards it is more orient and curling and wavering about His shoulders. In the midst of His head is a seam or partition in His hair, after the manner of the Nazarenes. His forehead plain and very delicate; His face without spot or wrinkle, beautified with a lovely red; His nose and mouth so formed as nothing can be reprehended; His beard thickish, in colour like His hair, not very long, but forked; His look innocent and mature; His eyes grey, clear, and quick- In reproving hypocrisy He is terrible; in admonishing, courteous and fair spoken; pleasant in conversation, mixed with gravity. It cannot be remembered that any have seen Him Laugh, but many have seen Him Weep. In proportion of body, most excellent; His hands and arms delicate to behold. In speaking, very temperate, modest, and wise. A man, for His singular beauty, surpassing the children of men" The letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar This is a reprinting of a letter from Pontius Pilate to Tiberius Caesar describing the physical appearance of Jesus. Copies are in the Congressional Library in Washington, D.C. TO TIBERIUS CAESAR: A young man appeared in Galilee preaching with humble unction, a new law in the Name of the God that had sent Him. At first I was apprehensive that His design was to stir up the people against the Romans, but my fears were soon dispelled. Jesus of Nazareth spoke rather as a friend of the Romans than of the jewish people. One day I observed in the midst of a group of people a young man who was leaning against a tree, calmly addressing the multitude. I was told it was Jesus. This I could easily have suspected so great was the difference between Him and those who were listening to Him. His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. He appeared to be about 30 years of age. Never have I seen a sweeter or more serene countenance. What a contrast between Him and His bearers with their black beards and tawny complexions! Unwilling to interrupt Him by my presence, I continued my walk but signified to my secretary to join the group and listen. Later, my secretary reported that never had he seen in the works of all the philosophers anything that compared to the teachings of Jesus. He told me that Jesus was neither seditious nor rebellious, so we extended to Him our protection. He was at liberty to act, to speak, to assemble and to address the people. This unlimited freedom provoked the jewish people -- not the poor but the rich and powerful. Later, I wrote to Jesus requesting an interview with Him at the Praetorium. He came. When the Nazarene made His appearance I was having my morning walk and as I faced Him my feet seemed fastened with an iron hand to the marble pavement and I trembled in every limb as a guilty culprit, though he was calm. For some time I stood admiring this extraordinary Man. There was nothing in Him that was repelling, nor in His character, yet I felt awed in His presence. I told Him that there was a magnetic simplicity about Him and His personality that elevated Him far above the philosophers and teachers of His day. Now, Noble Sovereign, these are the facts concerning Jesus of Nazareth and I have taken the time to write you in detail concerning these matters. I say that such a man who could convert water into wine, change death into life, disease into health; calm the stormy seas, is not guilty of any criminal offense and as others have said, we must agree -- truly this is the Son of God. Your most obedient servant, Pontius Pilate "The Archko Volume" Another description of Jesus is found in "The Archko Volume" which contains official court documents from the days of Jesus. This information substantiates that He came from racial lines which had blue eyes and golden hair. In a chapter entitled "Gamaliel's Interview" it states concerning Jesus (Yeshua) appearance: "I asked him to describe this person to me, so that I might know him if I should meet him. He said: 'If you ever meet him [Yeshua] you will know him. While he is nothing but a man, there is something about him that distinguishes him from every other man. He is the picture of his mother, only he has not her smooth, round face. His hair is a little more golden than hers, though it is as much from sunburn as anything else. He is tall, and his shoulders are a little drooped; his visage is thin and of a swarthy complexion, though this is from exposure. His eyes are large and a soft blue, and rather dull and heavy....' This jewish [Nazarite] is convinced that he is the Messiah of the world. ...this was the same person that was born of the virgin in Bethlehem some twenty-six years before..." :Nazarene: u white trash make shit up all the time. No serious scholar believes this. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7570540 United States 02/12/2012 05:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him wool means exactly what it means, texture of the sheep. Africans have the closest hair type to sheep texture. Hence, African hair referred to as wooly. GAME OVER LOL! Quoting: Bel Z. Bug Not really meaning to jump into the fracus here since I know he will not forsake me even if he was black, blue, or purple while I am white. I am mildly curious at times as to his human appearance, but that's about it. However, with regards to wooly, curly hair being a deal-breaker, I think not. I have a family with several blue-eyed, curly chestnut-haired members. My point is, wooly hair is not a deal-breaker here with regards to race. My very fair husband (my poor daughter gets this from both sides of the family) grew up with a nickname Brillo. LOL! |
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Bel Z. Bug User ID: 1331320 United States 02/12/2012 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him Wooly hair (alternatively spelled "Woolly hair") is the presence of hair typical of those of sub-Saharan ancestry on people from other ethnic backgrounds, hair which, under the microscope, appears tightly coiled, and presents at birth or infancy usually as a solitary inherited trait in an autosomal dominant fashion. source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] I would have never guessed how many people would be in such denial of Jesus' African features. WOW! Simply amazed. Last Edited by BZB on 02/12/2012 06:04 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 7570540 United States 02/12/2012 06:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him Wooly hair (alternatively spelled "Woolly hair") is the presence of hair typical of those of sub-Saharan ancestry on people from other ethnic backgrounds, hair which, under the microscope, appears tightly coiled, and presents at birth or infancy usually as a solitary inherited trait in an autosomal dominant fashion. Quoting: Bel Z. Bug source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] I would have never guessed how many people would be in such denial of Jesus' African features. WOW! Simply amazed. TYPICAL of sub-saharan...OR FROM OTHER ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS... duh! I am not denying Jesus' human form - I don't know what it was to deny or confirm it. I am denying that wooly hair occurs in only one race, so intellectually, you must see that this alone can not be a determining factor. Your own quote confirms this. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10515920 United States 02/12/2012 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him SALT... I commend you for your diligence in replies as well as your secure knowledge in our soon coming "blessed hope" for the church. The naysayers & unbelievers will soon be living in complete darkness - devoid of the True & Living Creator / God / Jesus Christ. It is a shame but... many are called & few are chosen. At least the effort is being made to plant the seed in hopes that it will grow into a relationship before it is too late. Unfortunately, we cannot save them (unbelievers) all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 10515920 United States 02/12/2012 06:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him Why does it matter what color you guys think jesus is/was? He's more than likely shaking his head at the lot of you for this ridiculous arguement and thread derailment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068728 Understood, however it is clear from the writings of those of His day of the obvious Truth of the matter. |
Bel Z. Bug User ID: 1331320 United States 02/12/2012 06:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him It is PRIMARILY found on Africans!!! Wooly hair (alternatively spelled "Woolly hair") is the presence of hair typical of those of sub-Saharan ancestry on people from other ethnic backgrounds, hair which, under the microscope, appears tightly coiled, and presents at birth or infancy usually as a solitary inherited trait in an autosomal dominant fashion. Quoting: Bel Z. Bug source: [link to en.wikipedia.org] I would have never guessed how many people would be in such denial of Jesus' African features. WOW! Simply amazed. TYPICAL of sub-saharan...OR FROM OTHER ETHNIC BACKGROUNDS... duh! I am not denying Jesus' human form - I don't know what it was to deny or confirm it. I am denying that wooly hair occurs in only one race, so intellectually, you must see that this alone can not be a determining factor. Your own quote confirms this. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1068728 Canada 02/12/2012 06:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him Why does it matter what color you guys think jesus is/was? He's more than likely shaking his head at the lot of you for this ridiculous arguement and thread derailment. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1068728 Understood, however it is clear from the writings of those of His day of the obvious Truth of the matter. Which is? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1313099 United States 02/12/2012 06:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him When someone says Jesus was Black, he/she is a racist. Yet Europe has depicted Christ as White for 1000 yrs, but no one complains. Do you see the hypocrisy? Quoting: Bel Z. Bug white, black, bronze, pale, tan, red.... who cares. the point is that He was here and many from his time can account for it. what is the difference if he had white hair in the visions of the future in revelations or if he had golden/chestnut hair when he walked the earth as a man. the important thing is that He is real. |
Life and Love User ID: 9710640 United States 02/12/2012 06:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him white, black, bronze, pale, tan, red.... who cares. Quoting: Salt the point is that He was here and many from his time can account for it. what is the difference if he had white hair in the visions of the future in revelations or if he had golden/chestnut hair when he walked the earth as a man. the important thing is that He is real. ^^THIS^^ With all the off-topic posts, it almost seems that no one wants to comment on the bolded part. We become like that to which we are devoted. - Choose wisely. |
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Bel Z. Bug User ID: 1331320 United States 02/12/2012 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him stop your goddamn bullshit ass hypocrisy already! It is fucking sickening. This is what you said in the title of your fucking ass thread: "The Physical Appearance of Jesus" And then you have the nerve to say: "white, black, bronze, pale, tan, red.... who cares." Everything was all fun, fine and dandy until you were checked on your false description. And then it becomes convenient for you to make that last statement?! Fuck off with that shit! When someone says Jesus was Black, he/she is a racist. Yet Europe has depicted Christ as White for 1000 yrs, but no one complains. Do you see the hypocrisy? Quoting: Bel Z. Bug white, black, bronze, pale, tan, red.... who cares. the point is that He was here and many from his time can account for it. what is the difference if he had white hair in the visions of the future in revelations or if he had golden/chestnut hair when he walked the earth as a man. the important thing is that He is real. |
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geminilion User ID: 9645114 United States 02/12/2012 06:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him look, to all the Jesus haters, please refrain from leaving comments on this thread. Quoting: Salt i know you want to rush in here and try and make my thread look false and fraudulent. please make sure you do your own homework on the subject before you come running in here with your negativity. there will always be somebody out there questioning the validity of a document when they want to show that a person did NOT exist. I don't understand why some people go into a frenzy and can't hold back their BS flags when someone on this forum talks about Jesus or religion. It's so simple to bypass any material that you don't believe or have an interest in. Instead of bashing people's beliefs just exit thread and save everyone the aggravation. ..."The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that guides your way." Heraclitus |
Bel Z. Bug User ID: 1331320 United States 02/12/2012 06:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: The Physical Appearance of Jesus - Eyewitness accounts (non-biblical) from those who actually saw Him get on with the thread? Did you not read the title of the thread? "THE PHYSICAL APPEARANCE OF JESUS." Where ya been? The thread has been getting on since its onset. As of late, OP has been debunked by quite a few. |
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