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Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?

 
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Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
The Greek word used for 'Law' in Col 2 v 14 is not the normal word for Law (Torah) which is "nomos", what is nailed to the cross is the Greek word "dogma" which is translated "opinion" or "that which appears to be true" (Kittle).

Perhaps we should take Yehushua (Jesus) at face value when he tells us that he came not to destroy the Law but to perfect it (Gr. pleroo G4137).
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
hfGod was 'Earthed' on the crosshf
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
Of course not.

That is a doctrine of devils. (Master Demon, Satan, God)


"To the law and to the testimony; if they speak not according to this...there is no light in them"

'Think NOT that I have come to abolish the law...'

'My yoke is easy and my burden light...' (not just grace but there is a yoke, a duty to DO, fulfill, acccomplish His Father's commandments - the Law, not only 10, but all of them.) Yes there are greater and lesser, but to be partial in the law is to be condemned as the Pharisees were, leaving off justic and truth/love, not pleading for the fatherless and the widow, but showing themselves to give alms and tithing of anise and praying in the gates...to be seen as righteous of men. 'These ought ye to have DONE, AND NOT TO LEAVE THE OTHER UNDONE!' said Yahushua himself, the example to all men.

'Not the hearers of the law, but the doers of the law... the same shall be saved'.

Yet, it doesn't matter or help a man to be circumcised in the flesh (as a keeper of the covenant of Yah, putting off the flesh and by the way, the circumcisions done now and for the last generations have been horribly Satanic and unbiblically cruel)
IF HE/she is uncircumcised in the heart. (Deuteronomy)

Hold fast to the Sabbath...he though he be a stranger if he keep my commandments, ... (all, not just 10) will be given a name greater than of sons and of daughters... in that day when I make up my jewels...

Revelation
Malachi
yes, mixing verse subjects a little bit there, sorry, but same idea, and no time

can anyone add to this?

See Daniel Botkin's 'The Ghost of Marcion'
article on the web somewhere... it tells it clearly better than this but he doesn't know about the Name's vital importance to us, which is sad
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
The Greek word used for 'Law' in Col 2 v 14 is not the normal word for Law (Torah) which is "nomos", what is nailed to the cross is the Greek word "dogma" which is translated "opinion" or "that which appears to be true" (Kittle).

Perhaps we should take Yehushua (Jesus) at face value when he tells us that he came not to destroy the Law but to perfect it (Gr. pleroo G4137).
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You as a jewish? especially (are you?) should NOT be calling the Messiah Yeshua! That is horrible!
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
Why, please tell us, why do you do that?
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
The Greek word used for 'Law' in Col 2 v 14 is not the normal word for Law (Torah) which is "nomos", what is nailed to the cross is the Greek word "dogma" which is translated "opinion" or "that which appears to be true" (Kittle).

Perhaps we should take Yehushua (Jesus) at face value when he tells us that he came not to destroy the Law but to perfect it (Gr. pleroo G4137).
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You as a jewish? especially (are you?) should NOT be calling the Messiah Yeshua! That is horrible!
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?
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
I am not Hebrew but desire to correctly worship YHWH. YAHWAH.
The name of Ha Mashiach should be YAHushua, as opposed to Yehushua, no?
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
Hi 941914

It is Yehushua not Yeshua

Does the "of course not" apply to 'perfecting the Law' or to 'dogma' being (or not being) Torah
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
Hi 10809606

Hebrew does not have a direct English phonic so 'Yah' or 'Yeh' are interchangeable at the whim of the writer.

The real message is that Torah was not "nailed to the cross" but that man's knowledge of good and evil was (man's opinion)

If you read Genesis 3 you will see that mankind achieved his own godship based upon his own opinion (knowledge) and it is this man knowledge that adam thows in the face of YHVH (thus breaking the first commandment) It is this that was nailed to the upright pole (Gr. stauros).

One throws away Torah at one's peril, Yah does not change his mind, neither does Yehushua (the same yesterdat, today and forever), In fact, Torah was made flesh and dwelt among us....
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
Who gives a fuck? You may as well debate some obscure passage from Moby Dick. It would have as much relevance as Bible nonsense.
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
Who gives a fuck? You may as well debate some obscure passage from Moby Dick. It would have as much relevance as Bible nonsense.
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YOU WILL LIVE TO REGRET YOUR STATEMENT!

BUT STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY OF ETERNAL LIFE!
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Re: Torah was 'nailed' to the cross, or was it?
No, this is the beliefs of Saul of Tarsus. The original Jesus movement "The Ebionites" were kosher keeping jewish people. Although they were referred to as "The Minim" by the Orthodox jewish people, and cursed and banned from the temple.

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