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Vermont Passes Resolution To Secede From The US

 
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Vermont Passes Resolution To Secede From The US
Vermont Passes Resolution
To Secede From The US
By Greg Szymanski
11-3-5

The members of a peaceful freedom-fighting group want no part of neo-cons running the imperialistic U.S. government. Plan to secede from the U.S. gaining momentum in the fiercely independent Green Mountain state.

The neo-con band of criminals running Washington, trampling on civil rights at home and invading countries at will overseas, has led a large group of strong-minded Vermont freedom-fighters with no choice but to secede from the United States.

And last Friday at the state capital building in Montpelier, a historic independence convention was held, the first of its kind in the United States since May 20, 1861, when North Carolina decided to leave the Union.

A packed House Chamber in the Vermont statehouse, with more than 400 gathered, started the daylong secession convention with a speech by keynote James Howard Kunstler, author of The Long Emergency, and ended with a resolution passed to secede from the United States.

Most people think of secession as impossible if not treasonous, but the concept is deeply rooted in the Declaration of Independence, reminding us that "Whenever any form of government becomes destructive, it is the Right of the People to alter or abolish it and to institute new government."

And with the neo-con takeover of Washington, including all its branches of government that transforming America into a one-party dictatorship, thatīs exactly what the resolution passed in Vermont seeks to do by members of grassroots movement growing in numbers daily.

Although the resolution is the first step in the long process that needs support from the state legislators - as well as an officially recognized convention - the grass roots group called the Second Vermont Republic passed the following citizenīs resolution:

"Be it resolved that the state of Vermont peacefully and democratically free itself from the United States of America and return to its natural status as an independent republic as it was between January 15, 1777 and March 4, 1791."

Even though critics give the secession group a snowballīs chance in hell,, organizers are firmly convinced in the present-day tyrannical political climate secession will not only succeed but will prosper.

This could only happen in Vermont where people are still fiercely independent and fed up with the course the American government is taking," said Thomas Naylor, the head of the group calling itself the Second Republic of Vermont. "We have a lot going for us and if you think about it, we have a lot in common with Polandīs Solidarity movement, who many said would never succeed.

"But Poland did get its freedom, mainly because it was a country liked around the world, sort of like how people in America feel about Vermont. When people think of Vermont, they have a warm and fuzzy feeling, an image of black and white Holstein cows and beautiful scenery. I can also tell you there is now closet support in the legislature now and we are serious about getting the support needed to secede from the United States.,

Naylor, a former Duke University economics professor, said from his Vermont home this week that statewide independence is really a euphemism for secession, adding Vermont also will seek to join the group of Unrepresented Nations similar to the Lakota Indians and other international indigenous people.

"Secession is one of the most politically charged words in America, thanks to Abraham Lincoln," said Naylor, adding he had been writing about secession for the better part of 10 years but the movement picked up tremendous steam after 9/11. "Secession really combines a radical act of rebellion grounded in fear and anger with a positive vision for the future.

"It represents an act of faith that the new will be better than the old. The decision to secede necessarily involves a very personal, painful four-step decision process. It first involves denunciation that the United States has lost its moral authority and is unsustainable, ungovernable and unfixable. Second, there is disengagement or admitting I don,t want to go down with the Titanic. Third, there is demystification that secession really is a viable option constitutionally, politically and economically. And finally, defiance, saying I personally want to help take Vermont back from big business, big markets and big government and I want to do so peacefully.,"

What started out as Naylorīs little fantasy to have an independent country made up of Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine, has already grown from a small group of 36 several years ago to a packed House Chamber in the stateīs capital. Claiming to have a membership of 160 as of last April, Naylor said the numbers have doubled or even tripled.

"I,m getting calls from all over the country supporting our movement," said Naylor. "Although there are more than 20 states with some kind of secession movement, Alaska and Hawaii being the best examples, I think Vermont really has the best chance at succeeding at seceding."

Besides holding the Vermont independence convention in Montpelier, the smallest state capital city in the United States, it also has the reputation as being the most fiercely independent and anti- big business, being the only one not allowing a McDonaldīs in the entire country.

"First and foremost, we want out of the United States. Itīs not just an anti-Bush statement and if Kerry was elected, we still would have wanted out," said Naylor. "The reality is that we have a one party system in this country, called the Republican party, that is owned and operated and controlled by corporate America. So itīs not just a Bush protest, but a protest against the Empire.

Although many critics have said the mighty U.S. would not stand for Vermontīs secession, Naylor as will as others disagree, including Jim Hogue, a talk show host on Vermont Public radio.

"Thereīs nothing they would want here. Thereīs no oil, just mountains. We,re just not important enough. We,re funny, we,re small and we,re peaceful," said Hogue several months ago in an article in the Montreal Gazette.

With most Vermont politicians, including the Congressional delegation, ignoring the grassroots secession movement or just laughing it off as good theatre, Vermontīs Lt. Gov., Brian Dubie, has weighed in on the issue, giving it a certain amount of merit but stopping short of outright support.

"I really salute their energy and passion," he said in a local press interview. "we have an obligation to think of what is in our best interest as a state and for the people of out state, even as we approach federal and national issues."

Besides Naylor and Kuntsler, others who spoke at the Oct. 28 independence convention included Professor Frank Bryan of the University of Vermont; Kirkpatrick Sale, author of Human Scale; J. Kevin Graffagnino, executive director of theVermont Historical Society; Professor Eric Davis, Middlebury College; Shay Totten, editor of the Vermont Guardian; and Dr. Rob Williams of Champlain College.


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"I think Vermont really has the best chance at succeeding at seceding."


Try and say that 10 times.



Who thinks this would really happen. I say let them do it and then donīt give them visaīs to go anywhere else within the U.S.
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Donīt let the door hit you in your Vermont asses on the way out . Fucking lilly livered liberals !
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good for them, I hope florida will be joining them soon. as we dont need uncle sam in florida at all. the fed is nothing but a burden on us.
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Lets say the U.S. government really doesīnt need Florida . Every fucking year comes the destruction from hurricanes and we all pay for it .
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I dont want any fed govt aid nor do most floridians. only ones that do are just a minority of govt dependant types who are not smart enough to prepare most prolly are from new york and just moved to florida. The true floridians can handle a hurricane without the fed.
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Good for them !
the states (and local) govīs need to do something.
since wa$hington is so FUCKED.
newsflash
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Let the little frigginī whiney liberal sloth turds go. Weīd be better off without the frigginī spider monkey choads.
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God, I wish Israel would secede!

Then, maybe Vermont would want to stay around.

You bushtwats just hate the idea because

YOU HATE VERMONTīS FREEDOM!

Sorry bushfucks, no oil there. You wonīt be able to attack Vermont unless Israel instructs you to...A word of warning thought...Donīt think you Israel-first, traitorous amerikan sheep want to fuck with some real American Patriots!

Give me liberty or give me death!
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let em And then we can bomb the shit out of em.
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yea shr just like saddam did the kurds. the ultimate irony for bush.
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I canīt believe the good Americans in Vermont have allowed THEIR STATE GOVERNMENT to be hijacked like this.

"And with the neo-con takeover of Washington, including all its branches of government that transforming America into a one-party dictatorship..."

This is a joke, right? A "one-party dictatorship"?

Yeah, thatīs a joke.

What a bunch of idiots.
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HOLY SHIT!

That guy Naylor was my macro-econ teacher!

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Why, Neocons? Why do yaīll hate FREEDOM so much?
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I suspect that should Vermont succeed in seceding, they will then have a problem with illegal aliens flooding in through the borders.

Okay, whose next? Now that Vermont has started the ball rolling, perhaps Missouri (the show me state, and now they have been) would like to be next.
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145

The joke is on YOU!
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bush bots have flocked to this thread, I see you are doing your job well boys. hope you can sleep at night.
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You know, another option would be to take back control of this country with whatever means necessary (as is our right), but then we would miss a lot of our favorite TV shows!
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Iīm dead serious.

Professor Naylor taught me econ back in 1980 at Duke. He was a pretty cool guy...a part-time businessman/professor.

WSJ was required reading. I liked the real-world aspect of his class.

Pretty wild that he is now leading this secessionist movement. I think I might drop him an e-mail.
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just a minority of govt dependant types
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who in their right minds would depend on the US govt to do anything for them?

ohHHHH you mean all those people lucky enough to be forced into slave labour for a couple of bucks an hour?
or the people who get all that free health care that allyou americans are famous for?

I really don`t know why we allowed your lot independence.you would all be better off with us brits ruling your sorry selves
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Do they plan to support their economy with Lobster Dollars?
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"Do they plan to support their economy with Lobster Dollars?"

An army of Lobsters will be ready to protect their borders.......
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At Virginiaīs ratification convention, the delegates said, "The powers granted under the Constitution being derived from the People of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression." In Federalist Paper 39, James Madison, the father of the Constitution, cleared up what "the people" meant, saying the proposed Constitution would be subject to ratification by the people, "not as individuals composing one entire nation, but as composing the distinct and independent States to which they respectively belong." In a word, states were sovereign; the federal government was a creation, an agent, a servant of the states.
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Will lobster soldiers wear bibs with people on them to scare opposing armies?
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"Do they plan to support their economy with Lobster Dollars?"

vermont is landlocked. it has no lobster industy...
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..now if you were talking about maple syrup dollars...
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Do you know that the Republic of Texas has to vote yearly ( in secret ) to remain in the Union ? A provision in their agreement to initially join says they have the right to secede anytime they want to. The Hunt brothers wanted to see this happen, so they tried to stockpile oil and silver to back their own currency - but the Illuminati ruined that plan by crashing the prices of these in the early 1980īs and publicly ruining the family name. Some history that the controlled press hates you to find out about.
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Funnny...

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When I post it, itīs uninteresting news.
When captain obvious posts it, itīs news.

Well, I salute you captain obvious.
You make it newsworthy. (^_^)

And yes, unless we start to clean out our government NOW this will be the only way to save ourselves from Big Brother taking over entirely.
Stay chill, yīall.

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nothing succeeds like a budgie
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Poor egomaniac who posted above me ! Were you always ignored in your life ?
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No lobsters in Vermont? Thatīs a waste of that big lake they have.
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