NIbiru/Planet-X is on it's way, connect the dots.. NIBIRU FOUND! .

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The bottom line is this:

IF these changes you claim are actually a measurable scientific study (studies which you can't produce) then I can't tell you what is causing them BUT I can tell you what isn't causing them and that's a brown dwarf star coming anywhere near out solar system.


Since you seemed to ignore the basic facts I will say them again.

If there was a brown dwarf in the solar system then it would be one of the brightest objects in the sky and would be observed by thousands of astronomers, amateur and professional alike.

If there was a brown dwarf near the solar system the planets orbits would be perturbed to a point to where astronomers would notice and this is simply not the case.

All of your earth changes is not evidence for a brown dwarf it is simply nu-scientific conjecture. What I posted above cannot be disuputed...unless of course your bring pseudo-science to the table.

no the REAL BOTTOM LINE is you do not have an answer for the discussion topic of the dying animals so you are now returning to an argument you feel you have already won.

Your moving the "goalposts"

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and as I said before you DO have very insightful comments, I do not doubt your knowledge... I doubt its application

LMFAO! First it was "any" then it was "many" now it's more than "lots." Man, that moving goalpost is making a huge fucking racket now. Hurry, I don't think you're pushing it back fast enough lol!

I searched 1 country, just 1 country's newspapers that had been digitally archived and made available through my library access and found all that and a whole lot more. That was the tip of the iceberg. Obviously if I keep pulling articles eventually they'll overlap in time, especially if I can start searching other countries (though that would probably require me to gain additional library access).

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Found quite a few in a short span of time 40 years ago. Bet I could find even more in that same span of time if I looked...

Oh, and by the way, there are at least 144 news articles on bird deaths in 2006... And another 74 in 2007... and at least another 29 in 2005. There, your new goalpost has been met.

LMFAO! Talk about blatant bias, this is a huge admission by you. I want to frame this quote it's so hilarious.

No, I'm still piling on after having already met the established goalpost.

Oh, and by the way, there are at least 144 news articles on bird deaths in 2006... And another 74 in 2007... and at least another 29 in 2005. There, your new goalpost has been met.


PROVE it. Show those 144, 74, and 29...

Stop crying about your damn goalposts already!

I just gave you an answer. There is no Nibiru/PLanet-x/Brown Dwarf. Please, go learn how science works.

Actually I don't think any person can state with full certainty that if there was a brown dwarf we would all see it by now. Especially if coming up from the south.

After all, they did put up that costly south pole telescope for a reason...

I think there is no one on earth who can say they know for sure. No one living today has been alive during the passage of a brown dwarf so it is all based on theory as to when we would see it or how things would unfold. And all we can do is watch the world around us and look at the writings left from the people of long ago...

Yes, there is. Brown Dwarfs don't magically absborb all light or become invisible.

Also like I said before, the planets orbits would be affected by one and astronomers would notice. You cannot defy physics.

We know far more about the Cosmos now than ancient civilizations did.

Why wouldn't the observatories in South Africa, Chile, or Australia be able to see it? They can see the entire southern celestial hemisphere.

Again with the two account shit.

And I actually have formal science education. If you had any you would understand how horrible and biased your methodology is.

You are only good at one thing, bickering

Formal science education huh? What classes have you taken?

Astromut. I have Degree(s) in science. Regardless of what classes I list you WILL only have negative or argumentative things to say. At this point I am taking the higher road and just leaving this thread, this was pointless sometime ago and I am realizing arguing with my own Dick would yield similar results... due to similar size heads... but I am sure you already knew that.

For one I am not Astromut.

Clearly if you won't list your degrees then you don't have them.

I am not scared to list mine:
Bachelor of Science in Computer Networking and Information Systems

Thanks to everyone who read, interjected an opinion or otherwise just thought about the possibility for a brief moment that Nibiru/Planet X is returning. It's my strong opinion that for reasons listed as well as just an intuitive feeling that it is indeed on it's way.

CANUCKCHIC - You had me rolling when I read "ASTROGLIDE".

Cheers Op! I thought of a few places old astro needed the lube job for! ;)

uuuuhhhh, that wasnt astro

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This one's not displaying properly, it only shows links to 2 even though it says there's 29 hits:
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Since that one won't show properly, here's more from 2005:
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Here's some more from 1996-1997:
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This one's huge:
"Huge die-off baffles experts
At the end of last week, state and federal workers and volunteers had recovered 6,652 dead birds from the sea, including 3,929 white pelicans, 846 endangered brown pelicans, and 1,877 birds of 47 other species, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service."
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Oh and it happened again:
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So, did Nibiru do all that back in the late 90's as well? I just keep kicking them right between the uprights...

Stop moving the goalposts then.

Last Edited by Astromut on 02/23/2012 04:14 PM

Don't let them boot you off the thread because they are making you feel uncomfortable, though,
because I'm sure that's part of the intent.

Those of us that believe that there is an object out there causing these massive changes should feel free
to keep discussing it. Keep on connecting the dots, because I can just bet there will be more!

^This. I have telescope time available to me in Australia. Where's this brown dwarf at? I'd be able to see it if it were there...

He's really gone off the deep end. He thinks that anyone who agrees with me must in fact be me. That's why you get accused of being me, and so does any AC who agrees with me. He can't handle the thought that there's more than one person who disagrees with him.

Apologies anonymous for calling you Astromut (that is an insult)

BS in Biology

BS in Nutrition

Thanks Tuff-Kooky

It just feels like an utter waste of time when you cant even voice your own opinion without someone telling you that you are wrong.

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The first one is all about avian flu deaths and in some links, people dying as a result. Not much relevance there. Also repeats same incidents over and over which makes it look like you found multiple incidents all at the same time. Lame.

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Again, related to bird flu and again, all the same incidents discussed. Also you pull out incidents which are small potatoes in comparison to the sizes of mass bird and fish deaths currently taking place. Neither of these have any similarity to current issues or scale size.

You list so many isolated incidents pertaining to bird flu that it is not worth looking at. How many continued incidents between now and 2010 have had to do with avian flu? Stay relevant!!

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Just to clarify here...when you provide a link, everything under that link is a multitude of links to all the same incident. You may think you are seeing dozens and dozens of different incidents on the same day or days but in fact, they are all links to the same isolated incident. Now this particular one in Austin is interesting...it could be related to planet x...it could be some preliminary deaths leading up to the massive spike that began in 2010 and continues....

Your links are all this way and you can say I am moving goalposts all you want but the actual fact stands firm: I am talking about mass animal deaths occuring on a regular scale which has grown to a statistic never before seen.

You keep finding isolated incidents and you try and blow them up to equal what we are seeing today but you just can't do it.

Providing links that open up to a long list of "incidents" that all turn out to be the same incident or related to, does not equate what I am talking about or trying to discuss here.

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What does a manmade incident have to do with our current situation?

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The San Diego huge one is interesting from 96...I had seen that one in my research but again, there was no other fish or bird deaths near it or of concern in 96 so that one remains a mystery. We are seeing that level of deaths on a pretty regular basis now. As large as this is, it is still an isolated incident. Since it happened again almost a year later in 97, I would feel it was something off with the Salton Sea...I searched worldwide to find any other similar reports from anywhere else in those years and there is nothing. We are seeing these events all over the world right now in these numbers and higher, on a weekly or more basis! How can you ignore that?

I think some isolated incidents are potentially related to the incoming planet x...or magnetic earth changes...or some type of toxin. But these still remain isolated incidents and what we have from 2010-2012 is unmatched. Sorry dude, facts are facts....unless you are a believer of bird deaths by fireworks! :)

And how exactly do you not feel embarassed by listing Prince Harry shooting two birds in this category?? Maybe you are not even reading what you post...

Perfectly OK to voice your opinion....just be sure to note the disclaimer "IMO". And then everyone will know, it's your subjective, unsubstantiated opinion - not to be taken seriously as a theory or fact. No need to debunk a simple opinion. On the other hand, any blanket statement presented as fact - like the title of this thread - should expect and be able to withstand scrutiny if it is indeed a solid theory.

In this case, no one has seen Niburu and Nut has presented theoretical models that show what would happen if an "invisible" brown dwarf were indeed in or near our solar system.

The OP can create his own models that present an alternative viewpoint to be evaluated if this is indeed a statement of fact. Otherwise, if this simply an opinion - just make that perfectly clear.

Also, if some of the past isolated incidents were related to planet x, the reason they have increased so much is obviously because it is getting closer...

All I can do is watch. And be aware. And keep an open mind.

Oh, and I am not religious at all but from a religious based site, a great comprehensive list of the massive amount of the animal deaths from 2010-present was compiled and it is a fabulous summary:
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Debunk those facts astropuke!!!

Agreed and thank you for the information. However, I am unsure that it will make a difference when its comes to the overly enthusiastic posters who spam with raw data. I too could present links and books and microfilm and articles from journals and everything else that would in one way or another be pertinent to the conversation, but what I and canuck were discussing at that time was a much bigger picture then just a "goalpost" for facts.

Thank you for the response though :)