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Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?

 
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Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
This is an honest question and i'm not trying to ~troll~.

Even though Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons don't believe Jesus to be God, they still follow his teachings and believe in Jesus to be saved. (Feel free to correct me...)

Christians believe that you have to follow Jesus's teachings AND believe that he is God to be saved.

However, I understand that jewish people don't believe in Jesus's teachings nor do they believe that he is G-d, is this correct?



So my question is, if jewish people were to acknowledge the New Testament, would they believe that Jesus was G-d like the Christians do, or would they be like the JW's that only believe in Jesus's teachings?


Also, does the bible ever state that you have to believe Jesus as God to be saved, or does it just plainly say that you have to believe in Jesus's teachings to be saved?
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Beleive or BUUUURN!!

But its up to you what to beleive...


But beleive SOMETHING...or FRY IN HELL forever!!!

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Beleive or BUUUURN!!

But its up to you what to beleive...


But beleive SOMETHING...or FRY IN HELL forever!!!

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


rockon
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typical glp response lol
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
They simply believe he was a mortal - not the son of god.

Thats all there is to it.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
They simply believe he was a mortal - not the son of god.

Thats all there is to it.
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Well wasn't he mortal since he died?

Jehovah's witnesses and Christians believe that he was the son of god also but for some reason Christians believe that Son of God=God.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
This is an honest question and i'm not trying to ~troll~.

Even though Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons don't believe Jesus to be God, they still follow his teachings and believe in Jesus to be saved. (Feel free to correct me...)

Christians believe that you have to follow Jesus's teachings AND believe that he is God to be saved.

However, I understand that jewish people don't believe in Jesus's teachings nor do they believe that he is G-d, is this correct?



So my question is, if jewish people were to acknowledge the New Testament, would they believe that Jesus was G-d like the Christians do, or would they be like the JW's that only believe in Jesus's teachings?


Also, does the bible ever state that you have to believe Jesus as God to be saved, or does it just plainly say that you have to believe in Jesus's teachings to be saved?
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Because, the Jewish people expect a King , A Mosiach and Tzedik who will feed the people, house them and create a world of peace and plenty

The Jewish people do not preach that you have to wait until you die to have the good things

They teach a Messiah will come to feed the people now and give the children good things now and a peaceful life in the here and now, not the hereafter.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Because it's a myth.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
have any of you read the talmud? according to them jesus <yashua> is in hell boiling in hot excrement and mary<mariyim> is a whore that slept with carpenters.
when yashua was tempted by satan one of the places he took yashua to was the holy temple because he was able to do so it belongs to him. go back read the exchange not with what you were taught but the analyitical mind god has given you. satan offerd kingdoms both past and present . this is what makes voting in america futile excercise.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
This is an honest question and i'm not trying to ~troll~.

Even though Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons don't believe Jesus to be God, they still follow his teachings and believe in Jesus to be saved. (Feel free to correct me...)

Christians believe that you have to follow Jesus's teachings AND believe that he is God to be saved.

However, I understand that jewish people don't believe in Jesus's teachings nor do they believe that he is G-d, is this correct?



So my question is, if jewish people were to acknowledge the New Testament, would they believe that Jesus was G-d like the Christians do, or would they be like the JW's that only believe in Jesus's teachings?


Also, does the bible ever state that you have to believe Jesus as God to be saved, or does it just plainly say that you have to believe in Jesus's teachings to be saved?
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Well they dont all not believe in Christ..but quite a lot of them do. Its no different when Christ was on earth walking..the jewish people were the people that turned against him..and the story continues..i guess
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Jesus has no place in Judaism as he is an invention of the pagan Roman Church.

However there are many subgroupings of Judaism, some of whom accept Yahushua as Messiah.

God would never change his mind and 'drop' the jewish people from His favour, also, His Torah is eternal, so the Christian rejection of Torah is mystifying, if their claim is to worship the same God.

Torah is God given, it defines what is good and what is evil in the sight of God, as opposed to what is good and evil in the sight of man. Man acquired his knowledge by disobeying God and eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thus Adam now has his own opinion of what is right and what is wrong, he throws it in God's face when he accuses the woman and God himself.

Man has consistently used his knowledge of good and evil to modify Torah, so we get Rabbinical Judaism and we get Islam and Christianity.

Yahushua preached Torah (see Matt 5 v 17, 18, 19) but Christians prefer to follow a Paulian doctrine divorced from its Old Testament Context. This was the heresy of Marcion and was adopted by Constantine when he merged 'christianity' with the roman pagan cults to produce the roman catholic heresy where Christians keep Mithras' birthday of 25th December and the feast of Ishtar (easter).

Whilst there is controversy over the 'suffering servant' of Isiah 53, Yahushua opens the door to the Feasts of YHWH by becoming the pacial lamb. But as long as Christianity prefers to keep Shabbat on 'sun' day in contravention of the commandment, keep ishtar instead of Passover, and call Yahushua by the pagan 'Jesus' (sounds like Isis or Zeus) one cannot expect jewish people to be impressed...

Many jewish people have been slaughtered in the name of Jesus Christ, whether at the crusades, the inquisition or the holocaust. Christians need to look hard at their own scriptures before coming to preach to jewish people.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
does the bible ever state that you have to believe Jesus as God to be saved, or does it just plainly say that you have to believe in Jesus's teachings to be saved?
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John 5:24 I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life.

Jesus did not sent himself, God did it. Hence Jesus is not God.

Jesus being God, Jesus was teaching about is outright ANTIbiblical and even worse.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
God would never change his mind and 'drop' the jewish people from His favour,
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Whatever, dude. It´s in your Torah:

Have you rejected Judah completely? Do you despise Zion? Why have you afflicted us so that we cannot be healed? We hoped for peace but no good has come, for a time of healing but there is only terror. Jeremiah 14:19 … Then the LORD said to me: "Even if Moses and Samuel were to stand before me, my heart would not go out to this people. Send them away from my presence! Let them go! Jeremiah 15:1 And if they ask you, 'Where shall we go?' tell them, 'This is what the LORD says: "'Those destined for death, to death; those for the sword, to the sword; those for starvation, to starvation; those for captivity, to captivity.'

1 Samuel 2:30 "Therefore the LORD God of Israel declares, 'I did indeed say that your house and the house of your father should walk before Me forever'; but now the LORD declares, 'Far be it from Me-- for those who honor Me I will honor, and those who despise Me will be lightly esteemed.

... Jr 18:9 And if at another time I announce that a nation or kingdom is to be built up and planted, and if it does evil in my sight and does not obey me, then I will reconsider the good I had intended to do for it. Now therefore say to the people of Judah and those living in Jerusalem, 'This is what the LORD says: Look! I am preparing a disaster for you and devising a plan against you. So turn from your evil ways, each one of you, and reform your ways and your actions.' Jeremiah 18:11


It´s unbelievable how is it possible you still lie about God, after so much suffering in your history. You will probably never learn better.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Because it's all a scam. Jesus never existed.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
You are quoting from the prophets and the writings not from Torah.

Suggest a little more work on this...
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
You are quoting from the prophets and the writings not from Torah.

Suggest a little more work on this...
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Well, Samuel is not a part of the Prophets. Back at you.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
You are quoting from the prophets and the writings not from Torah.

Suggest a little more work on this...
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Well, Samuel is not a part of the Prophets. Back at you.
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Its also not part of Torah!
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Torah consists of the following:

Genesis
Exodus
Leviticus
Deuteronomy
Numbers
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
You are quoting from the prophets and the writings not from Torah.

Suggest a little more work on this...
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Well, Samuel is not a part of the Prophets. Back at you.
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Its also not part of Torah!
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Does it matter. All is your Tanakh. Written by God fearing ancestors of yours you ignore.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Your quotations from Jehremiah are to do with Gods rejection of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, who had rejected God and erected their own Idols. They were following the same trinity of Nimrod, Semirage and Tammuz that is at the foundation of Catholic Christianity.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Your quotations from Jehremiah are to do with Gods rejection of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, who had rejected God and erected their own Idols. They were following the same trinity of Nimrod, Semirage and Tammuz that is at the foundation of Catholic Christianity.
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Judah and Jerusalem had belonged but to the Southern Kingdom. iamwith
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Your quotations from Jehremiah are to do with Gods rejection of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, who had rejected God and erected their own Idols. They were following the same trinity of Nimrod, Semirage and Tammuz that is at the foundation of Catholic Christianity.
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Judah and Jerusalem had belonged but to the Southern Kingdom. iamwith
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I think you are an excellent example of why Jewish people do not believe in Jesus as Messiah!
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
They don't believe in Christ because they were told to worship god the father and him only shall they serve. That's my take on their resistance to Christ.

You don't have to believe in God, Christ, or anything to go to heaven, but your life on earth will be better if you do believe.

The Christian hell was created to keep people afraid and that fear is often what keeps people out of church, as we often avoid that which we fear. On the other side of the street are those who fear so much they keep paying weekly out of fear.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Your quotations from Jehremiah are to do with Gods rejection of the Northern Kingdom of Israel, who had rejected God and erected their own Idols. They were following the same trinity of Nimrod, Semirage and Tammuz that is at the foundation of Catholic Christianity.
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Judah and Jerusalem had belonged but to the Southern Kingdom. iamwith
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I think you are an excellent example of why Jewish people do not believe in Jesus as Messiah!
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I had not lived in time your ancestors rejected Him. What are you speaking about?
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
I think it was because he came preaching and teaching and didn't do whatever they expected the Messiah to do. Also, he did some things that really ticked them off because he challenged some of their way of thinking.

Basically he said some of their laws were wrong because they were man made laws. He said that people spent so much time just trying to keep the law and please God by their works, that they were ignoring the more important things, like feeding the poor and helping widows and stuff.

If you are trying to be so religious that you have no time for anyone but yourself, that is wrong. If your laws keep you forever walking on eggshells/glass so to speak, afraid of breaking one, then that is wrong, because you can only focus on yourself and the law, and you can not help put a bit of food in someone's mouth or help the poor because you just don't have time anymore.

I think there were something like 600 laws or more. There were so many laws and most of them were not from God but just something men had made up. It was impossible to keep all these and people had to keep sacrificing and feeling guilty and trying to keep pleasing God every day.

So he did a few things like heal on the Sabbath or eat with unwashed hands to show them that some of their laws were really ignorant.

Surely it is good to remember and keep the Sabbath, but if ignore someone who is hurting and needs help because you are afraid to work, then it could endanger someone'e life. And if you make up a law just because you get the idea that it pleases God, but it doesn't come from God himself, then you just make things hard for yourself and your followers.

We have ten commandments but really only two when you think about it. That is what Jesus said. If you love God with all your heart and mind and soul and ability then you will not want to hurt anyone. You will love everyone and treat them the way you want to be treated. Then of course you will not lie, steal, kill, commit adultury or any of the others because you will just naturally not want to do that to anyone. Because all of the ten commandments are to keep you from hurting others or your relationship with God.

Because I think the jewish people were expecting their Messiah to be tough and like come riding in and declare war or strike down his enemies, they could not except him. They expected the Messiah to be different and the outcome to be different. They couldn't understand that the way Jesus as the Messiah works is by effecting Men's hearts so that they are not longer the enemy. The best way to defeat an enemy is for them to be your friend so you don't have to fight anymore.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
John 14 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. 5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
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JESUS IS LORD, and believe in your heart that GOD hath raised HIM from the dead, thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Refer to THE HOLY BIBLE: ROMANS 10:9 and ACTS 16:31b)

Have you received THE LORD GOD OF ISRAEL’S MOST BELOVED and ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, to be your personal Lord and Savior?

If not, say this prayer: “LORD GOD, please forgive me of my sins. Thank YOU for YOUR Faithfulness in always being with me and loving me so much to send me YOUR MOST BELOVED and ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, THE LORD JESUS CHRIST, to die on the cross for me. I receive HIM now into my heart and life to be my Lord and Savior. I pray this in the name of GOD, THE FATHER; GOD, THE SON; and GOD, THE HOLY SPIRIT. † Amen.”

“So let everyone in Israel know for certain that GOD has made this JESUS, whom you crucified, to be both Lord and Messiah!” ACTS 2:36

“For I tell you, you will not see ME again until you say, 'Blessed is HE who comes in the name of THE LORD.'” MATTHEW 23:39

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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Many jewish people saw Yahushua as Messiah, but the religious leadership did not, they had the Romans crucify him. For 3 years all the many followers of Yahushua were jewish people....

Eventually the 'Way' (ha Derreck) of Yahushua was hijacked by Greek centred philosophies, ekklesia (leterally "called out assemblies") lost its Hebraic contexts as the feasts of God, and became "the Church", and thus started the greatest ever deception.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
because they killed him? that's what is written in the bible after all...

imagine for a sec, you just killed someone from your city like a neighbour because you didn't like what he said for ex.

and than somebody told you btw he was your half-brother and he wanted to help you with whatever problem you had at this time.

feel the doomy drama in your mind...

in french we say something to describe it, "l'oeil était dans la tombe et regardait cain" it's from a famous french poet, meaning the eye was in the grave and looking at cain.


good stuff about culpability and how it is impossible to avoid your own conscience and of course god coffee4
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
they dont believe the bit about the genie that impregnated the carpenters wife.
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The jewish people where under roman occupation and they have expected that their King would redeem or freedom from their oppressors. And the heathenen should serve the jewish people. But Christ came to this world so that Israel might be a light to the Nations of they accepted him.

But now the Christians are the Light of this WORLD.
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they dont believe the bit about the genie that impregnated the carpenters wife.
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thats funny after Noah shoving all the animals in that ship I would have thought it was a roll

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