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Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?

 
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Exact Date of Christ's Crucifixion
THE CATHOLIC KNIGHT: The subject of Jesus' crucifixion, particularly the date, is a sore one for many Christians. The precise year of his crucifixion has been debated by scholars for centuries. Within the last 100 years, some groups have even called into question the day of his crucifixion, with a few groups insisting on Wednesday being the day of the event. If we go by the 'Bible Alone' without ever taking outside sources into consideration, one can see how this confusion might come about. However, all the clues we need for this little mystery are laid out for us plain to see, in black and white, just waiting for us to do our homework. The evidence is plentiful, once we're ready to start looking into what non-Biblical sources say about the astronomical events surrounding the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.

Phlegon was a Greek historian who wrote an extensive chronology around AD 137:
In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad (i.e., AD 33) there was ‘the greatest eclipse of the sun’ and that ‘it became night in the sixth hour of the day [i.e., noon] so that stars even appeared in the heavens. There was a great earthquake in Bithynia, and many things were overturned in Nicaea.’
- Phlegon, 137 AD
Phlegon identifies the year and the exact time of day. In addition, he writes of an earthquake accompanying the darkness, which is specifically recorded in Matthew’s Gospel.

This event could not have been a solar eclipse in the classic sense. In other words, whatever caused a shadow to fall over the earth, and the sun's light to be blotted out, could not have been the moon. As the moon is always in the completely opposite position in the sky during the full moon phase, which is what Passover always falls on. Furthermore, solar eclipses just last a few minutes, never three hours. The three-hour "eclipse-like" event is a historical fact, and accounted for by non-biblical (even non-Christian) authors, including Pontius Pilate no less, who wrote in a report to Tiberius Caesar the following account...
Now when he was crucified darkness came over all the world; the sun was altogether hidden, and the sky appeared dark while it was yet day, so that the stars were seen, though still they had their luster obscured, wherefore, I suppose your excellency is not unaware that in all the world they lighted their lamps from the sixth hour until evening. And the moon, which was like blood, did not shine all night long, although it was at the full, and the stars and Orion made lamentation over the jewish people because of the transgression committed by them.
- Pontius Pilate, 33 AD

We may never know what caused the solar eclipse-like event that lasted three hours, but we can speculate. Assuming that God uses natural events in unexpected ways to accomplish most of his miracles, then using what we know about natural phenomena, we can make a good guess. Eclipses are caused when the shadow of something is cast on the earth. Under normal circumstances, its the shadow of the moon cast upon the earth, as the moon passes between the earth and the sun, blotting out the sun's light for a few seconds. So based on what we know causes eclipses, we can speculate that something fairly large passed between the earth and the sun on the date and time in question, and we know that it could not have been the moon. Also the duration of the event (3 hours) would seem to indicate that the trajectory of the object was such that it kept the shadow on relatively the same place (the Mediterranean world) for about three hours. One possibility would be a very large asteroid on a near collision course with the earth. If the trajectory were so that the large asteroid (several dozen miles in diameter at least) were coming directly from the angle of the sun, passing by the earth at an incredibly close range, it might create a shadow large enough to eclipse the sun wherever it was cast on the earth's surface. Furthermore, such a near miss with such a large object would certainly capture the object in the earth's gravitational well, causing the asteroid to be flung around the earth at a totally different trajectory than when it came in. If the asteroid were to have it's own gravitational pull, and something that size probably would, then it might have caused disturbances on the earth as it passed by in the form of natural disasters, such as earthquakes. Granted this is all just speculation, but I am unaware of any other natural occurrence that could cause an eclipse-like event lasting three hours, coupled with earthquakes, like the one described by so many sources from antiquity. I should like to see more study into this possibility done by people more well versed in astronomy and astrophysics than myself.

The occurrence of a blood red moon is actually much more easy to explain. Pilate's account to the red moon also helps us confirm not only the year, but the actual day. NASA has already accounted for the only kind of eclipse that can happen in a full moon phase, which is a lunar eclipse, frequently known to give the moon a "blood red" appearance, particularly when they are seen only partially. NASA pinpoints this event to April 3rd, 33 AD. The following chart is their report, which can be viewed on NASA's actual website here...

Finally, we must look to the Jewish calender to verify that a Passover did occur on this date. Indeed it did. Nissan 15, the customary day for Passover, would have fallen on Saturday the 4th of April in 33 AD. That would have made this particular Saturday a "high sabbath" which is mentioned in the gospel accounts, and it would have made Friday the 3rd of April the day of preparation, when the lamb sacrifice was slaughtered in the Temple. This would have put Jesus crucifixion at exactly the time when the Passover lambs were being slaughtered, just hours before sunset, when Nissan 15 began on the Jewish calendar. (Remember, the Jewish calendar begins each day at sundown not midnight.) Typically, the Passover meal would have been eaten that Friday evening in 33 AD. However, the gospels tell us that Jesus ate the Passover with his disciples the night before -- Thursday. This may be accounted for by the probability that Jesus was using the Essene calendar for the calculation of Passover.

Pope Benedict XVI, in his Holy Thursday homily for 2007 pointed out that Jesus; "celebrated Passover with his disciples probably according to the calendar of Qumran, that is to say, at least one day earlier -- he celebrated without a lamb, like the Qumran community who did not recognize the Temple of Herod and was waiting for a new temple."

So there you have it folks. The definitive date of Jesus' crucifixion is settled by two undeniable astronomical events. The first extraordinary, recorded in the gospels, and confirmed by the written testimony of non-Biblical authors. The second quite ordinary and predictable, easily calculated and illustrated by the experts at NASA. Finally, we have the confirmation of the Jewish calendar, which confirms a Passover preparation on this very day, just as the gospels tell us. Jesus Christ was crucified at high noon, and died at 3 pm, on April 3rd, 33 AD.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
This is an honest question and i'm not trying to ~troll~.

Even though Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons don't believe Jesus to be God, they still follow his teachings and believe in Jesus to be saved. (Feel free to correct me...)

Christians believe that you have to follow Jesus's teachings AND believe that he is God to be saved.

However, I understand that jewish people don't believe in Jesus's teachings nor do they believe that he is G-d, is this correct?



So my question is, if jewish people were to acknowledge the New Testament, would they believe that Jesus was G-d like the Christians do, or would they be like the JW's that only believe in Jesus's teachings?


Also, does the bible ever state that you have to believe Jesus as God to be saved, or does it just plainly say that you have to believe in Jesus's teachings to be saved?
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Because God won't let them yet:

Romans 11:25: "For I would not, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles has come in."

And because you can't know anything until God reveals it to you:

Matthew 16:17: "And Jesus answered and said unto him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you, but my Father which is in heaven."
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Jesus has no place in Judaism as he is an invention of the pagan Roman Church.
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very good, I see you did your homework :)

when it comes to religion
all roads lead to Rome.

Rome was the birthplace of
ALL denominations.

Roman Royal Bloodlines found
a way to control the world
through a faith based society.
And those bloodlines have been
controlling them ever since.

This is the secret contained within
the Vatican Vaults.

And if the world ever knew the truth,
the Pope and Archdiocese would probably
be hung in the square.

but some can never bring themselves to
believe they have been deceived for
generations.
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sockpuppet another my god is better than your god thread...


and the winner is: the person that uses their Wisdom to establish their relationship with Our Creator. This eliminate religion from their Life(~).

peace

remember: it's religion and religious beliefs that separate the believers from Our Creator(~).

religion is Spiritual fraud(~).
We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

I forgive myself, I Love myself, I'm sorry, Please forgive me, I forgive you, I love you, Thank you.

God Bless You;
I Bless You;
Bless Yourself(~).

Love is the answer ~ Peace be with You.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Your question supposes that the majority of people who follow the religion of Judaism are from the House of Judah. They are not.

Last time that I checked, most of Judaism reject the Torah and the Law of Moses. And most worship the "god" of the Babylonian Talmud or the mysticism of Kabalah.

The Elect of every generation have accepted Christ Jesus as their Saviour.


1 + 1 + 1 = 5
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Because they are intelligent and have a sense of humor. They knew Jesus (if that IS his real name) was only 1 of many "prophets" at the time...it was a job description...like evangelist or standup comedian of today.

They didnt have TV back in those days so story tellers were the norm. When this one started pissing off the Romans AND the muzzies...they all thought he deserved whatever it was he got.

Religious peeps of ANYWHERE dont like people screwing with their shit man....it plays with their heads, just when they thought they had it sorted.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Jesus has no place in Judaism as he is an invention of the pagan Roman Church.
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very good, I see you did your homework :)

when it comes to religion
all roads lead to Rome.

Rome was the birthplace of
ALL denominations.

Roman Royal Bloodlines found
a way to control the world
through a faith based society.
And those bloodlines have been
controlling them ever since.
This is the secret contained within
the Vatican Vaults.
And if the world ever knew the truth,
the Pope and Archdiocese would probably
be hung in the square.
but some can never bring themselves to
believe they have been deceived for
generations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11051083


I'm truly sorry that you have bought that propaganda and that you do not understand that it's an individual relationship that we have with God the Father through His Son Christ Jesus. That He confirms the Truth personally, that He teaches the Truth and that He died for us.
The church has so muddied the waters that you now believe the propaganda that you've ingested. He confirms the Truth. To you. To all of Faith. He lets ME know He's there, not the "church".
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Jesus has no place in Judaism as he is an invention of the pagan Roman Church.
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very good, I see you did your homework :)

when it comes to religion
all roads lead to Rome.

Rome was the birthplace of
ALL denominations.

Roman Royal Bloodlines found
a way to control the world
through a faith based society.
And those bloodlines have been
controlling them ever since.

This is the secret contained within
the Vatican Vaults.

And if the world ever knew the truth,
the Pope and Archdiocese would probably
be hung in the square.

but some can never bring themselves to
believe they have been deceived for
generations.
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Too bad when there is good debate going on, people post this kind of tripe. It is the big flaw of GLP.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Now back to the discussion.

I suppose the J e w s and atheists could just open the Eastern gate and end the discussion, but I won't happen.


Ezekiel 44:1-3 Then he brought me back the way of the gate of the outward sanctuary which looketh toward the east; and it was shut. Then said the Lord unto me; This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall enter in by it; because the Lord, the God of Israel, hath entered in by it, therefore it shall be shut. It is for the prince; the prince!


Now... If God of Israel has entered it, and it is to be shut only until the prince comes????

2+2 anyone.
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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
Many did at the time
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When this one started pissing off the Romans AND the muzzies...they all thought he deserved whatever it was he got.

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pissed off Romans ??? maybe
pissed off Muzzies ??? not hardly

Islam was not created until 650 AD ;)
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Too bad when there is good debate going on, people post this kind of tripe. It is the big flaw of GLP.
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why don't you ask any Rothschild
if they believe in God and see what
they tell you ???

Rothschild are Zionist Jewish
George Soros is Atheist Jewish

for those who do not know what
an Atheist Jewish is:

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Re: Why don't Jewish people believe in Jesus as the Messiah?
This is an honest question and i'm not trying to ~troll~.

Even though Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons don't believe Jesus to be God, they still follow his teachings and believe in Jesus to be saved. (Feel free to correct me...)

Christians believe that you have to follow Jesus's teachings AND believe that he is God to be saved.

However, I understand that jewish people don't believe in Jesus's teachings nor do they believe that he is G-d, is this correct?



So my question is, if jewish people were to acknowledge the New Testament, would they believe that Jesus was G-d like the Christians do, or would they be like the JW's that only believe in Jesus's teachings?


Also, does the bible ever state that you have to believe Jesus as God to be saved, or does it just plainly say that you have to believe in Jesus's teachings to be saved?
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Because, the Jewish people expect a King , A Mosiach and Tzedik who will feed the people, house them and create a world of peace and plenty

The Jewish people do not preach that you have to wait until you die to have the good things

They teach a Messiah will come to feed the people now and give the children good things now and a peaceful life in the here and now, not the hereafter.
 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI




The Lords Pray is about Heaven coming down to Earth. So in that aspect Heaven and Earth are the same. This place can become Heaven.
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i am juwish myself and art of a leading juwish family. and this is what we are told by generations to keep for 'ourselves' only.

jesus myth was created by the leading hebrews of then to create a political force to use for their own agenda, which was related to weakening the leading powers at the time, founding israel and spreading their own power from there.

a jesus character did exist but he was a spy like person who knew what it was all about and played his part. he was never really killed, that was all a play. he is similar to, lets say, a lieberman of nowadays. so intentionally fooling big groups of people of 1 side, while serving the other side which serves the latter.

the jesus myth has many things borrowed from other mythical deities of then. which made it easier for people to connect and accept it. you cant come with a totally new god and expect it to catch on.

the scam was so succesful it turned into a religion and during the centuries it was molded by hebrews continuously to serve their agenda. and nowadays billions of misguided christians follow a religion invented by the hebrews of then and it serves us very much so.

so much that american christians send their own sons and daughters to wars to be slaughtered for israel and 'donating' billions of dollars of taxpayers money each year while people on their streets are starving.

this is why most juws dont believe in jesus, he was manufactured by 'us'.
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Hmmmmm....REALLY? Lets reason this out.
King James gathered 47 Hebrew scholars to study 5500 ancient manuscripts and translate the ones they felt where inspired by the Holy Spirit into the English language from Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek. The final transcript is the King James Bible. The Dead Sea scrolls are ancient manuscripts dating 2000-3000 years old and sealed for 2000 years...The Dead Sea scrolls match Word for Word the King James Bible, which you can read online..Meaning that the same manuscripts used by those that wrote the King James bible are a exact replica of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

Now if you believe the those ancient manuscripts of the Old Testament (Torah) then you know it is full of prophecy regarding his coming

Genesis 3:15 12:3 49:10 .............The Promise
Exodus 12:40-50 ....................The Passover Lamb
Numbers 24:17...........The Scepter
Deuteronomy 18:17-19.....The ComingProphet
Job 19:25-27..........The Resurrection
Psalms:
2:1-12 ..........The New World Order to be Destroyed
8:1-9 ...........Brought low for the suffering of death
16:7-11..........Will not see decay
22:1-31 .........The Crucifixion Fortold (1,000 B.C.)
45:1-9 ..........The King and his Bride
110:1-7 .........The Coming Priest
Proverbs 30:4 ..The Son
Isaiah:
7:14 ............To be Born of a Virgin
9:6-7 ...........The Man who is God
11:1-5 ..........The Righteous Judge
42:1-9...........The Judge of the Nations
49:5-7 ..........The Light of the Gentiles
52:13-15 ........The Suffering Servant
53:1-12 .........The Lamb of God...Raised from the Dead
Jeremiah31:31-34 ......The New Covenant
Daniel:7:13-14...His Kingdom is Forever
9:26.............He is to be "cut off" (initially)
Amos 8:9-10...Sun to go down at Noon
Micah 5:2 ......The Christ to be born in Bethlehem
Zechariah:
9:9 ......The King to enter Jerusalem riding a donkey (First Coming)
11:10-13 ......He is to be sold for 30 pieces of silver
12:9-10 .......The Repentance of the jewish people (Second Coming)
14:1-9 ........The Second Coming
Malachi 3:1-5..The Messenger prepares the way

SO IF YOU BELIEVE THE TORAH...and the MESSIAH HASN'T COME....are you expecting him to still be coming on a DONKEY???

MY FRIEND YOU HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO AND A SHORT TIME TO GET THERE!!!!!!!!!
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you are a perfect example how easy it is to fool the masses.

self fullfilling prophecies, in fact, manipulated to look to be so.

you beliecve in a false religion, a scam created by 'us' and your god does not exist, it is facbricated and put together like a jiggsaw puzzle.

even when i tell you the truth, you still defend the lie to be the truth, which is yet again proof, my ancestors did a VERY good job.

now carry on sending your so to be killed for our cause...we sure dont give a shit about him.
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Jewish Messiah claimants

The Messiah in Judaism has a number of interpretations, historical and eschatological, including any king chosen by God; a holy king who will lead the Israelites and Proselytes; and someone who will usher in an idyllic age of peace and justice in the World to Come. Some messianic movements later split from Judaism, including the followers of Jesus whose religion became Christianity and some of the followers of Sabbatai Zevi, who became the Dönmeh.

Simon bar Kokhba (also: Bar Kosiba) (?- died c. 135), with the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem the appearance of messiahs ceased for a time. Sixty years later a politico-Messianic movement of large proportions took place. The leader of the revolt Simon bar Kokhba against Rome was hailed as Messiah-king by Rabbi Akiva, who referred to him, Numbers xxiv. 17: "There shall come forth a star out of Jacob, and a sceptre shall rise out of Israel, and shall smite through the corners of Moab,", and Hag. ii. 21, 22; "I will shake the heavens and the earth and I will overthrow the thrones of kingdoms. . . ." (Talmud tractate Sanhedrin97b). Although some doubted his messiahship, he seems to have carried the nation with him for his undertaking. After stirring up a war (133-135) that taxed the power of Rome, he at last met his death on the walls of Bethar. He founded a short-lived Jewish state before his Messianic movement ended in defeat in the Second Jewish-Roman War causing misery for the survivors.

Judas of Galilee (6 CE), Judas led a violent resistance to the census imposed for Roman tax purposes by Quirinius in Iudaea Province around 6 CE. The revolt was crushed brutally by the Romans.[7]

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Because they are intelligent and have a sense of humor. They knew Jesus (if that IS his real name) was only 1 of many "prophets" at the time...it was a job description...like evangelist or standup comedian of today.

They didnt have TV back in those days so story tellers were the norm. When this one started pissing off the Romans AND the muzzies...they all thought he deserved whatever it was he got.

Religious peeps of ANYWHERE dont like people screwing with their shit man....it plays with their heads, just when they thought they had it sorted.
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You had too much TV and too little history class it seems:-)
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Because, the Jewish people expect a King , A Mosiach and Tzedik who will feed the people, house them and create a world of peace and plenty

The Jewish people do not preach that you have to wait until you die to have the good things

They teach a Messiah will come to feed the people now and give the children good things now and a peaceful life in the here and now, not the hereafter.

 Quoting: APOLLO ILLUMINATI


The Fig tree

Some places in the Bible indicate that the fig tree also
has a symbolic meaning. One of the Lord’s miracles is most
intriguing when his curse of the fig tree caused it to
wither.
This seems to have been the only miracle in which
Jesus used his power to destroy, to annihilate something.
It also is the only miracle which was of no benefit to
anyone. All others were done for men.The Lord multiplied
bread, healed diseases, raised the dead. This miracle was
as if in conflict with our Master’s disposition, who to the
suggestion of destroying the wicked, answered back to his
disciples: "Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of".
(Luke 9:55).


All these facts imply an exceptional character of that
miracle and its symbolic meaning. But to understand this
symbolism, the miracle must be considered in the light of
our Lord’s parable of the barren fig tree.

(Luke 13:6-9)
"A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard;
and he came and sought fruit thereon, and found none.
Then said he unto the dresser of his vineyard,
Behold, these three years I come seeking fruit
on this fig tree, and find none: cut it down;
why cumbereth it the ground?

And he answering said unto him:
let it alone this year also, till I shall dig about it and
dung it. And if it shall bear fruit, well and if not then
after that thou shalt cut it down."

(The parable is unfinished)

The parable was preceded by his words:
"Except ye repent ye shall likewise perish".

The explanation of this parable was obvious to the
listeners. The owner of the vineyard is the God of Israel
(Isa 5:7)
. The dresser is the Messiah, who, three years
into his mission, would, through his digging and
fertilizing, make the nation bring fruit unto God.

At the time of the utterance of this parable, the fate of
this nation was still not decided. Our Lord still had half
a year of his dressing work before him. It seems that the
cursing of the fig tree
is as if it is the finishing of the
unfinished parable.


After his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the end of our
Lord’s mission was fast approaching. Returning from
Bethany, the Master approached the fig tree and looked for
fruit in it. Having found none,
He passed this sentence on the tree
"Let no fruit grow on thee henceforth for ever"
(Matt. 21:19)

How soon was Christ’s prophecy fulfilled about the
withering of the symbolic fig tree to be fulfilled?
In the year 70 A.D. the temple was destroyed.
No longer was there a place to offer sacrifices,
the opportunity to serve the Lord according to the precepts
of the Law thus ended. Jerusalem fell into ruin, and the
whole nation was expelled from their own land and dispersed
throughout the world.

The fig tree was used as a picture of Israel not without a
cause. As early as in the Old Testament, figs were
identified with the nation of Israel by the prophets.
(Hosea 9 and Jeremiah 24)


Matthew 21:18-19 (King James Version)

18 Now in the morning as he (Jesus) returned into the city,
he hungered.

19 And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it,
and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto
it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever.
And presently the fig tree withered away.


John 5:22 (King James Version)

22 For the Father judgeth no man,
but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:


Jesus speaking to a multitude

Luke 23:28-30 (King James Version)


28 But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of
Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves,
and for your children.


29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they
shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never
bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains,
Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Rev 6:16; sixth Seal Hosea 10:8

God Bless His Word
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Because they wrote the book.
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If they followed The Scriptures instead of listening to the opinions of man then they would have excepted Their Messiah.

The Early Day Christians were Jesus People Some of them Ex-Rabbis Themselves.

The Jewish Pharisees Rejected Jesus Because He didn't bring them what they wanted, They wanted another Solomon or King David, They wanted Earthly Riches, Glory and Power instead of Heavenly Riches.

They wanted all other nations to bow down to the Jewish nations, However The Jewish People were meant to preach to their neighboring nations and never did.

They were also meant to put money away for the poor in their midst saved up for every seven years to help the needed.
(instead they did the opposite, created Banks and charged Massive interest to the poor)

The Majority Rejected Jesus Because their Hate Far outweighed their Love, Like Today's Catholic system their system is based on Pomp Ceremony celebrating Man's laws instead of God's Laws.

They also placed a Curse on the Book of Daniel Specifically for anyone trying to work out the Time concerning the Messiah's Birth, This Shows How Their HATE outweighs Their Love for God, when they would curse the writings of their favorite Prophet Daniel and that Curse is Fake anyway many people who study the Time line haven't lost their hands and the memory of them is very much alive.
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Grace and The Son of Promise cannot exist beside The Law and the condemnation that comes with it.
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19:8 The law of the Lord is perfect, restoring the soul; the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.

19:9 The precepts of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart; the commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes.

19:10 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring for ever; the ordinances of the Lord are true, they are righteous altogether; Psalm 19


If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. John 15:10

... keep the commandments of God, AND have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Rev 12:17

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus. Rev 14:12

They held harps given them by God 3and sang the song of Moses the servant of God AND the song of the Lamb … Revelation 15

Rev 22 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful ... Revelation 21:27
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Jesus has no place in Judaism as he is an invention of the pagan Roman Church.

However there are many subgroupings of Judaism, some of whom accept Yahushua as Messiah.

God would never change his mind and 'drop' the jewish people from His favour, also, His Torah is eternal, so the Christian rejection of Torah is mystifying, if their claim is to worship the same God.

Torah is God given, it defines what is good and what is evil in the sight of God, as opposed to what is good and evil in the sight of man. Man acquired his knowledge by disobeying God and eating of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thus Adam now has his own opinion of what is right and what is wrong, he throws it in God's face when he accuses the woman and God himself.

Man has consistently used his knowledge of good and evil to modify Torah, so we get Rabbinical Judaism and we get Islam and Christianity.

Yahushua preached Torah (see Matt 5 v 17, 18, 19) but Christians prefer to follow a Paulian doctrine divorced from its Old Testament Context. This was the heresy of Marcion and was adopted by Constantine when he merged 'christianity' with the roman pagan cults to produce the roman catholic heresy where Christians keep Mithras' birthday of 25th December and the feast of Ishtar (easter).

Whilst there is controversy over the 'suffering servant' of Isiah 53, Yahushua opens the door to the Feasts of YHWH by becoming the pacial lamb. But as long as Christianity prefers to keep Shabbat on 'sun' day in contravention of the commandment, keep ishtar instead of Passover, and call Yahushua by the pagan 'Jesus' (sounds like Isis or Zeus) one cannot expect jewish people to be impressed...

Many jewish people have been slaughtered in the name of Jesus Christ, whether at the crusades, the inquisition or the holocaust. Christians need to look hard at their own scriptures before coming to preach to jewish people.
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But bombing your neighbours is better;)

Don't forget YOU are "guests" surrouded by moslems.The m's are not better but its their territory if you look closely on a map a child could tell you.

Couldnt you chose another place for Israel,oh wait this holy moly whatever thing on a hill is sooo important to choose to live in the MIDDLE of your "best friends".

So who is ALSO killing in the name of some god you are EVEN NOT allowed to speak his name,really sick:(
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This is an honest question and i'm not trying to ~troll~.

Even though Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons don't believe Jesus to be God, they still follow his teachings and believe in Jesus to be saved. (Feel free to correct me...)

Christians believe that you have to follow Jesus's teachings AND believe that he is God to be saved.

However, I understand that jewish people don't believe in Jesus's teachings nor do they believe that he is G-d, is this correct?



So my question is, if jewish people were to acknowledge the New Testament, would they believe that Jesus was G-d like the Christians do, or would they be like the JW's that only believe in Jesus's teachings?


Also, does the bible ever state that you have to believe Jesus as God to be saved, or does it just plainly say that you have to believe in Jesus's teachings to be saved?
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I didn't read through the thread to see if anyone said this yet but I have actually explored my own Jewish roots by checking out a community of Messianic Jews in my area. These are people who practice Judaism along with celebrating messiah. Its actually very interesting from a comparative religion point of view and eye opening as well. Many people in the community I visited were actually reformed Catholics who were disgruntled with the many lies and inconsistencies Catholicism as well as other forms of Christianity preach that are outside of the scripture.

Essentially at least from my perspective, as a person who grew up Catholic, Messianic Judaism is a movement geared towards recognizing how the Old Testament fits into the story of the New Testament. Its actually very enlightening. A good book to get the basis of all this is Restoration by D. Thomas Lancaster.

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I do. But I also believe that people like David Duke that spend their fucking worthless entire lives slandering us will end up in hell no matter if they believe in Jesus or not.

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