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Is the Devil really the ruler this suffering world eagerly pledges allegiance to? Or are we just evil?

 
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Is the Devil really the ruler this suffering world eagerly pledges allegiance to? Or are we just evil?
" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.' 1Jo5:19

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" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.' 1Jo5:19
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friend just like the infinite universe... we are all simply bipolar (and therefore unstable)...Sadly there are no singularities or polarised extremmes in the universe (therefore no good gods and heavens or bad god/devil and hell. They are just the creation of delusional bipolar organic creature..who want to think they are either good and special or bad and damned to make sense of bipolar life ). All crap and stupid really, but that humans and hierarchal humanity really..all fake and delusional
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Re: Is the Devil really the ruler this suffering world eagerly pledges allegiance to? Or are we just evil?
the devil aka satan is a religious concept...

What makes Humans evil is a belief in religious concept(s) and being associated with a religion(~).

religion is Spiritual fraud;

peace be with You

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We get the powers over us that we've earned collectively. Humanity, as a whole, is self-interested, shallow, ignorant, violent and immoral; small wonder, therefore, that our leaders (secret or otherwise) reflect that. You want better leaders, become better people.

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Satan is very definitely the current ruler/god of this world." The prince of the power of the air who already works in the sons of disobedience." Look around you and don't believe the deceived masses.
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the devil aka satan is a religious concept...

What makes Humans evil is a belief in religious concept(s) and being associated with a religion(~).

religion is Spiritual fraud;

peace be with You

Now >>> Please read my signature(~)
 Quoting: theSearchingJones

Satan is a master mind of false religion. From the start of his ploy for 'godship' he told Eve she would achieve instant enlightenment and prove to be immortal if his defied Jehovah, becoming a goddess.
"Now the serpent proved to be the most cautious of all the wild beasts of the field that Jehovah God had made. So it began to say to the woman: “Is it really so that God said YOU must not eat from every tree of the garden?” 2 At this the woman said to the serpent: “Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat. 3 But as for [eating] of the fruit of the tree that is in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘YOU must not eat from it, no, YOU must not touch it that YOU do not die.’” 4 At this the serpent said to the woman: “YOU positively will not die. 5 For God knows that in the very day of YOUR eating from it YOUR eyes are bound to be opened and YOU are bound to be like God, KNOWING good and bad.” Ge3:1
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The devil is our mind. The deceiver, that which is spiritually ignorant. People will never accept the responsibility of this though. The so-called human race will forever be ignorant of what they truly are, and why they are here.
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The devil is our mind. The deceiver, that which is spiritually ignorant. People will never accept the responsibility of this though. The so-called human race will forever be ignorant of what they truly are, and why they are here.
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One of Satan's best deceptions is to convince us he is just an icon of evil, but not real, to disarm our defenses;
"Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.

14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit.." Ehp6:10
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" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.' 1Jo5:19
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DGN....Where do you stand? Are you a jehovahs witness?
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" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.' 1Jo5:19
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DGN....Where do you stand? Are you a jehovahs witness?
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Yeppers.
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" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.' 1Jo5:19
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Lucifer was the god of reason, and the enemy of Christianity, the oldest relgion of the Empire.
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" We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols.' 1Jo5:19
 Quoting: DGN


Lucifer was the god of reason, and the enemy of Christianity, the oldest relgion of the Empire.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4363674

Actually Lucifer was a king in Babylon. The angle named Satan and devil, meaning resister and slanderer, is unnamed in the bible. The term 'morning star' has been applied to angles in the bible, King Lucifer called himself morning star, that's where the mix up came from.

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God is a synonym for "The good in man." Satan is a synonym for the evil in man. Religion tries to spiritualize these natural tendencies.
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Re: Is the Devil really the ruler this suffering world eagerly pledges allegiance to? Or are we just evil?
Jesus will establish a new kingdom,a Kingdom we can't imagine...

He loves us so much,and wants to show us that everything He made is better than anything we can make,and the great thing is...we don't have to make better,His creation is so full of life and we decide to devoid it of life.
We make cities and kick life out,we kill creatures,babies,bugs,wildlife of any kind,and why?
Because we are never satisfied with what we have.
May the good Lord have mercy on the people ruling this world...
Isaiah 44:22 I have swept away your offenses like a cloud, your sins like the morning mist. Return to me, for I have redeemed you."
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Satan is very definitely the current ruler/god of this world." The prince of the power of the air who already works in the sons of disobedience." Look around you and don't believe the deceived masses.
 Quoting: anonymous 1593458


AMEN.

"The Jehovah Witnesses are a Satanic organization, based upon the occult of Freemasonry. Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd Degree Freemason; as was Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon cult."

[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
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The latter, I think.
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Satan is very definitely the current ruler/god of this world." The prince of the power of the air who already works in the sons of disobedience." Look around you and don't believe the deceived masses.
 Quoting: anonymous 1593458


AMEN.

"The Jehovah Witnesses are a Satanic organization, based upon the occult of Freemasonry. Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd Degree Freemason; as was Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon cult."

[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
 Quoting: truth ftw

Freemasons believe in life, liberty, and justice for all, by political means, Charles Russel believed those principles cannot be achieved politically, only by Jehovah's kingdom to come. The Masons own record proves Charles Russel was never of their clan. Charles Russel was known for exposing the blasphemous hellfire doctrine of Christendom, not for becoming the head of Christianity.
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Freemasons believe in life, liberty, and justice for all, by political means
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1rof1

Some lower level Masons falsely believe that that is what Freemasonry is about, but not the spiritual headship and highest degrees.



"The Royal Secret of Freemasonry is that by accessing alternate universes, through sodomy, especially of young boys, there is a belief that through this sexual perversion, they can access alternate universes where they can become as Gods."

William Schnoebelen, former Scottish Rite 32nd Degree Mason
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Satan is very definitely the current ruler/god of this world." The prince of the power of the air who already works in the sons of disobedience." Look around you and don't believe the deceived masses.
 Quoting: anonymous 1593458


AMEN.

"The Jehovah Witnesses are a Satanic organization, based upon the occult of Freemasonry. Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd Degree Freemason; as was Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon cult."

[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
 Quoting: truth ftw


bump
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the devil aka satan is a religious concept...

What makes Humans evil is a belief in religious concept(s) and being associated with a religion(~).

religion is Spiritual fraud;

peace be with You

Now >>> Please read my signature(~)
 Quoting: theSearchingJones


I have met some people that you could say are not very good and they have nothing to do with religion.
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Re: Is the Devil really the ruler this suffering world eagerly pledges allegiance to? Or are we just evil?
Bit of both really, the Devil will have all the powers God bestowed upon him. He can do all but 3 things if I recall, be everywhere at once, raise the dead, and grant forgiveness and salvation.


I mean if a man walked up to you and made the sky red with fire and said "I am god" would you not believe him if you had no faith or didn't believe in the Bible?
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Bit of both really, the Devil will have all the powers God bestowed upon him. He can do all but 3 things if I recall, be everywhere at once, raise the dead, and grant forgiveness and salvation.


I mean if a man walked up to you and made the sky red with fire and said "I am god" would you not believe him if you had no faith or didn't believe in the Bible?
 Quoting: Therian

Did God bestow power on the devil, or on Christ's disciples to conquer him?
"Finally, go on acquiring power in [the] Lord and in the mightiness of his strength. 11 Put on the complete suit of armor from God that YOU may be able to stand firm against the machinations of the Devil; 12 because we have a wrestling, not against blood and flesh, but against the governments, against the authorities, against the world rulers of this darkness, against the wicked spirit forces in the heavenly places. 13 On this account take up the complete suit of armor from God, that YOU may be able to resist in the wicked day and, after YOU have done all things thoroughly, to stand firm.

14 Stand firm, therefore, with YOUR loins girded about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness, 15 and with YOUR feet shod with the equipment of the good news of peace. 16 Above all things, take up the large shield of faith, with which YOU will be able to quench all the wicked one’s burning missiles. 17 Also, accept the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the spirit, that is, God’s word, 18 while with every form of prayer and supplication YOU carry on prayer on every occasion in spirit" Eph6:10
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Re: Is the Devil really the ruler this suffering world eagerly pledges allegiance to? Or are we just evil?
Satan is very definitely the current ruler/god of this world." The prince of the power of the air who already works in the sons of disobedience." Look around you and don't believe the deceived masses.
 Quoting: anonymous 1593458


AMEN.

"The Jehovah Witnesses are a Satanic organization, based upon the occult of Freemasonry. Charles Taze Russell was a 33rd Degree Freemason; as was Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon cult."

[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
 Quoting: truth ftw


bump
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3405890

If you go the Freemason's website you will find Charles Russel was never a member of their clan. Do you really not know who Jehovah appointed as head of Christianity?
"He delivered us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of the Son of his love, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins. 15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All [other] things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all [other] things and by means of him all [other] things were made to exist, 18 and he is the head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things; 19 because [God] saw good for all fullness to dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile again to himself all [other] things by making peace through the blood [he shed] on the torture stake, no matter whether they are the things upon the earth or the things in the heavens." Col1:13
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Re: Is the Devil really the ruler this suffering world eagerly pledges allegiance to? Or are we just evil?
I appreciate where you're coming from.

Personally, religious labels and dogma muck up the circumstance with hearsay and bias.

There are forces. Love and growth - anguish and destruction.

Each acts as reflection and catalyst for eachother.

The Bible has been tainted heavily, but there are some ideas which remain true and useful.

What good is to be good unless you can maintain your goodness in the face of all expressions?

Is to judge and despise those unlike us the best response to "evil"?

What if we respect our opposition as we respect ourselves? And subdue these forces out of that same respect for ourself? To subdue rather than destroy, therefore we do not become like our opposition. To have empathy for those which have traits which we also find in ourselves to different extents. Total unconditional love, yet personally respectful with a willingness to subdue that which attempts to destroy us...

This universe is in divine order for the spirits it produces out the other end, like a forge of spirits, who know all aspects of life...

A gift of hard knocks and completeness, to the extent where we can barely withstand it, as this is what has gone on in reality, should we hide away from the totality?

Again, the character which this process creates, is not possible any other way.

All is sacred, all is holy, do not allow the labels to command you or taint the truth which is beheld in life, not a book.
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contradiction = free choice
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We are the Devil as long as we make decisions with our mind instead of following divine guidance.
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We are the Devil as long as we make decisions with our mind instead of following divine guidance.
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Simple, true, well said;
"My son, if you will receive my sayings and treasure up my own commandments with yourself, 2 so as to pay attention to wisdom with your ear, that you may incline your heart to discernment; 3 if, moreover, you call out for understanding itself and you give forth your voice for discernment itself, 4 if you keep seeking for it as for silver, and as for hid treasures you keep searching for it, 5 in that case you will understand the fear of Jehovah, and you will find the very knowledge of God. 6 For Jehovah himself gives wisdom; out of his mouth there are knowledge and discernment. 7 And for the upright ones he will treasure up practical wisdom; for those walking in integrity he is a shield, 8 by observing the paths of judgment, and he will guard the very way of his loyal ones. 9 In that case you will understand righteousness and judgment and uprightness, the entire course of what is good." Pr2:1

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