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Joel Osteen: "one of the biggest beneficiaries of the slumping economy" Update: Victoria O - "Co-Pastor" Drama

 
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Figure what?
 Quoting: oh9876


How's he's benefiting off a slumping economy.
People have less, How's that getting him more?
 Quoting: ceawaves


one more time...

People who don't need money don't need Joel Osteen. When Osteen promises to turn their last $100 into $10,000 through the "hundred fold blessing," that's when people step up to God' great roulette wheel. A wheel that's gaffed to land on zero every time.
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Just stop with the hating on Joel.. he ain't ever done a thing to you.. it's not even your business.. if people want to support him or not.. Don't even know much about him.. but that's way more than what's known of 0bama, would tend to beleive that 0bama has benefited off this slumping economy more than any other person on the face of this earth.
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Presenting facts through articles and videos is not hating. It is research and a lot of people place their hope in him and he is worth researching a bit...

What does this have to do with the president?
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I can't stand that piece of shit slick used car salesman Joel Osteen. Getting rich in the name of Christ and then practically rubbing it in the faces of everyone of how wealthy he is.

He is no different than a Anthony Robbins. At least Robbins doesn't try to get all Jesus freak on you.
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Just stop with the hating on Joel.. he ain't ever done a thing to you.. it's not even your business.. if people want to support him or not.. Don't even know much about him.. but that's way more than what's known of 0bama, would tend to beleive that 0bama has benefited off this slumping economy more than any other person on the face of this earth.
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Please stop talking; your ignorance of reality is showing. Osteen is a wolf in sheep's clothing by not teaching the full Gospel and getting rich off it. Jesus was NEVER rich; He lived by the will of God and His Father gave Him what He needed to get the job done.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


Yes Osteen seems to leave a lot out therefore benefiting with more book sales.
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If Osteen was a godly man, he would return almost all of his money he gets to charity and such. Not purchase a Ferrari and a $10 million house and buy a $70 million church. Therefore he is a piece of shit of a human being.
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If Osteen was a godly man, he would return almost all of his money he gets to charity and such. Not purchase a Ferrari and a $10 million house and buy a $70 million church. Therefore he is a piece of shit of a human being.
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I find it fascinating Oprah is trying to label him "The World's Preacher."
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Try telling the Holy Rollers shit like this and you will get attacked from every side.

Remember when Ron Paul told folks that the churches used to take care of the people who were homeless, poor, in need of medical services, the elderly? etc... Now the churches have become so corrupt that theses churches here in NC if you ask many pastors, they will tell you they cannot afford to feed the poor and hungry. But they can afford the light bill and the mortgage and the insurance and the salaries they make.
Sounds like hypocrisy BS to me. It's a money making scam.

If they help you, then all of a sudden they want you to join their cult of righteousness. Jesus didn't want shit like that for his church. He preached completely different kind of gospel, but his followers put their own spin on it and there ya go. What we have today.
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Yeah, it's not just Osteen, it's most churches. Their primary function is to collect money for themselves (local church) and collect money for the mother church (headquarters). They provide a service and the congregation pays for it. Each church has it's niche, like fast-food restaurants. So, they have a core group of returning customers. When the church decides it needs more money, they will market themselves to increase the size of the congregation (sometimes changing doctrine to appeal to a more diverse audience).

Joel Osteen is Ronald McDonald and his congregation just LOVES Big Macs!
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The prosperity gospel falls flat on it's face when you consider what a blessing really is. Go through the Bible and look at all the instances where a blessing is given and it is laid out in unambiguous terms. The blessings given to Abraham, Issac, Jacob, Ishmael, Jacob's sons and Joesph's sons are pretty clear.

The blessings have nothing to do with Cadillacs, vacation homes and piles of cash. The blessings don't even really have anything to do with the people recieving them. The blessings deal with with the children of the recipient. A blessing is a promise that a man's children will grow up to be great and mighty men, in some cases godly men; rather than worthless degenerates.

This is the reason the angel told Mary she would be called "the most blessed." Her child would not only grow up to be great, he would grow up to be King of all times and all men. Mary never got 37 Cadillacs, 50 mansions and more money than Caesar. She got to see her son be king of the world.

Osteen and the rest will burn in hell for their false Gospel.
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Preach on my Canadian brother. Don't text and walk.
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For "Brother" Joel......


jokyou slick son of a gun you!
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The Beast needs some money, won't be long now, and is getting very close, where these tax exempt status organizations will feel the wrath of it's living in indulgence without paying (feeding) the Beast the protection money (Mafia style Protection racketeering) that is long over due, and owed to the Beast, Religion is a snare and a racket, and will get what is due, soon.
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you people are so full of envy, it's pitiful.

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y Joel is a typical piece of shit money grabber.. all about the bucks for him for sure
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Cult members are obediant to the cult leader.
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Cult members are obediant to the cult leader.
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According to reports, Osteen hasn't drawn a salary from the church since 2005. His income comes from best-selling books and related products, such as calendars, daybooks and inspirational pamphlets.
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you people are so full of envy, it's pitiful.
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or not
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Cult members are obediant to the cult leader.
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Cult members are obediant to the cult leader.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11014852

According to reports, Osteen hasn't drawn a salary from the church since 2005. His income comes from best-selling books and related products, such as calendars, daybooks and inspirational pamphlets.
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Yes his persona has been made famous through televised shows from his church. And they sell all of his goodies at church. Once his books sold into the millions he decided it would not be in good taste to draw a salary from the church any longer.
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A 10 million dollar house?

Why didn't he use that money to help the poor or helpless?

I understand a pastor has to make a modest wage, but com'on.
 Quoting: J_Tribble


In total agreement ^^^ I don't like these 'preachers' that use God to buy 'themselves' all these earthly delights when they know people are suffering everywhere. It totally invalidates the message Jesus gave us and has nothing to do with God. It's all about themselves.
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A 10 million dollar house?

Why didn't he use that money to help the poor or helpless?

I understand a pastor has to make a modest wage, but com'on.
 Quoting: J_Tribble


In total agreement ^^^ I don't like these 'preachers' that use God to buy 'themselves' all these earthly delights when they know people are suffering everywhere. It totally invalidates the message Jesus gave us and has nothing to do with God. It's all about themselves.
 Quoting: Lion of Judah


The can get more money when they offer "resources" and books and collect cash from them, rather than a direct paycheck from the church. Joyce Meyer established this before Joel, because of scrutiny.

SO what is an acceptable salary for a pastor?
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Re: Joel Osteen: "one of the biggest beneficiaries of the slumping economy" Update: Victoria O - "Co-Pastor" Drama
I just found Joel Osteen on the Ministry Watch ALERT listing:

2011 list of 30 Donor Alert Ministries

Each year MinistryWatch.com also produces a list of 30 ministries that engage in questionable practices that should cause donors to pause before giving. We refer to this list as "Donor Alerts" as these organizations have various red flag issues


Lack of Transparency:

Joel Osteen Ministries/ Lakewood Church
Neither ministry posts their audited financial statements on a website and based on
MinistryWatch.com’s request for basic information, nor would they give any to
MinistryWatch.com. Without information donors cannot make optimal decisions.
Understand what it is you are going to support. Ministries that are not open in
providing basic information are obstructing prudent donors in understanding. In
addition, Ministries are seen by many as teachers and ones with authority. What are
these ministries teaching by their example? Are others to follow their example?
What would the nonprofit sector look like if they all followed the example of a closed
shop? Are not Christians to be light in a world of darkness? Should not Christians
set the standard by their conduct?

[link to ministrywatch.com]
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[link to www.youtube.com]
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If Osteen was a godly man, he would return almost all of his money he gets to charity and such. Not purchase a Ferrari and a $10 million house and buy a $70 million church. Therefore he is a piece of shit of a human being.
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I find it fascinating Oprah is trying to label him "The World's Preacher."
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I find it disturbing!!!
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If Osteen was a godly man, he would return almost all of his money he gets to charity and such. Not purchase a Ferrari and a $10 million house and buy a $70 million church. Therefore he is a piece of shit of a human being.
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I find it fascinating Oprah is trying to label him "The World's Preacher."
 Quoting: oh9876


I find it disturbing!!!
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Well, yes fascinating, but not in a positive way. As in I can not believe it and that it went under the radar for weeks.
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Do any of you know of a good Christian Organizatiion to give money to, for hungry kids? Not the ones where the president makes $98,000 dollars a year, I understand administration cost and what not. It feels like my money goes to there salaries.
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Do any of you know of a good Christian Organizatiion to give money to, for hungry kids? Not the ones where the president makes $98,000 dollars a year, I understand administration cost and what not. It feels like my money goes to there salaries.
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ministywatch.com has a listing and rates them on transparency and so forth.
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Anyone who follows and likes this guy is a total dope!
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Anyone who follows and likes this guy is a total dope!
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Oprah musta put a hex up on him.. never heard any knocking on him til he ran up on the big O..
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He has ALWAYS creeped me out. He is a charlatain.
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Most of the preachers who make it big in the mass media are charlatains.
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Please stop talking; your ignorance of reality is showing. Osteen is a wolf in sheep's clothing by not teaching the full Gospel and getting rich off it. Jesus was NEVER rich; He lived by the will of God and His Father gave Him what He needed to get the job done.
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kitty Yeah.
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Please stop talking; your ignorance of reality is showing. Osteen is a wolf in sheep's clothing by not teaching the full Gospel and getting rich off it. Jesus was NEVER rich; He lived by the will of God and His Father gave Him what He needed to get the job done.
 Quoting: Spitting Into The Wind


kitty Yeah.
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Joel was saying in the Oprah vid that his grand piano was a blessing from God...
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Joel was saying in the Oprah vid that his grand piano was a blessing from God...
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blinkerflo11 I kinda get the feeling that one day someones going to slam the lid down on his hands...real hard.
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A 10 million dollar house?

Why didn't he use that money to help the poor or helpless?

I understand a pastor has to make a modest wage, but com'on.
 Quoting: J_Tribble


He actually doesn't take a salary from the church he pastors. he also gives them a big chunk of his book royalties.

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