Any non-Ron Paul supporters out there who would like to debate?

Believe me, I am very deeply aware of how completely controlled some people can be by peer influence and blind trust. Those people cannot be changed without a major event such as you were talking about. I know this personally because I am married to one lol. Then there is a group that is less indoctrinated. They do not actively seek the truth...but they tend to understand it when it is presented to them. I was once one of these people. I could look at the news and automatically tell I wasn't getting the whole story. I would remember that I had heard a politician say this or that and then a few months or years later they said the opposite. This still didn't make me seek the truth though. I just chalked it up to "All politicians lie. What could they really hurt anyway?" This sounds like a really lame argument, but it was all I had to tell myself to ignore the problem. Soon that was going to change though. It happened during the Iraq war. I never had any reason to doubt my government before 9/11. After that....there were seeds planted, so to speak. I started to actively seek information on a variety of subjects and I was amazed. The true meaning still had not sunken in though. It was still like a game to me. I guess you could say I didn't take it seriously. This sounds callous...but I would hear about the bombings in Iraq and how many were killed but I did not equate it to real people. it was just numbers. Then one day I stumbled upon some pictures from independent journalists and soldiers in Iraq. I was horrified!!! Women, children, elderly lying dead in the streets.It was nothing like the clean picture drawn in my head. Since that day I have devoted at least a portion of my time every day to trying to get people to wake up...at least partially on a variety of subjects. I try to put something out there for everyone. I hope that there are others out there with more influence and power who feel the same way I do.

Maybe. The real point is that no politician has EVER said what RP is saying. RP isn't making promises. He is saying what should be done.

The spineless believe such things as "Rothschild won't let it happen".

They only reason any of these oligarchs have power is because YOU give it to them.

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Congratulations OP :)
you are well on your way to becoming
a true freedom fighter :)

9/11 was also when I had a major awakening.
I as you did, also did research into this
phenomenon. So here we are 11 yrs later
and we are no closer to ridding ourselves
of TPTB than we were 11 yrs ago.

Paul is NOT the solution to our problem.
He is only a pacifier to a Rothschild
agenda. Paul keeps the sheeple at bay
and out of their hair.

This is why no Revolution can come
from an election. The elections
are tainted. And so are the politicians
involved. The Zionists plan is/has worked
to perfection for hundreds of years.
They have perfected it by now.

And We the People let it happen
by our own greed and imperfections.

One day when I win the lottery I'm going to end it lol :-) I wish....but I do have an idea to maybe slow it down. What if there was a group much like the one that patrols the oceans to stop whalers, but to combat human smuggling? I think they could do slightly better than anyone out there now...

just remember that YOU yourself is
included in that you.

the only way to stop it
is to eliminate the lust gene
from the human psyche.
In other words, alter human
DNA at birth.

But that would be an invasion
of privacy and would get the
ACLU in a tizzy. It would also
break the constitution.

As long as their is a demand
for something

there will be a supplier.

Economics 101

I agree with you about the elections. I am not implying that I am trying to awaken people purely to Ron Paul. I do believe in what he stands for, and will do whatever I can to help him get elected....but it's much deeper than that.It would take ten honest presidents to undo the damage that has been done or possibly even more. I am interested in making more people like me. What if there were people who knew and actually understood the very methods of distraction and mass appeal they use to keep people complacent but were totally unmotivated by greed.They were only motivated by the truth. Say they employed the very same tactics, and possibly even better than TPTB, who do you think would win the masses?

Of course that is why I don't give them the recognition that they have any power at all. Suggest you do the same.

If enough people realized the emperor has no clothes, what do you think would happen?

then you are not addressing the whole
problem. you are viewing the problem
with blinders on.

You are trying to apply a band-aid
when both legs are missing.

You yourself agreed with my assessment
then you go right back to say Ron Paul
is the solution.

Ron Paul cannot fix the problem.

TPTB are the problem and Paul cannot
stop that.

Good point but I still believe that it can be slowed. I also believe it could be helped by improved economic conditions and more awareness in the countries where it is most prevalent. No, it will never be stopped completely but it can be reduced. I would not consider pedophilia lust in the common sense...but eugenics is not the answer :-)

the MSM will make up some clothes
and a check will be issued to
hire protestors to say they see
clothes. and fake images of
clothes will be shown on
the 6 o'clock news. then the
masses will see imaginary clothes.

if Rothschild says there is clothes,
then there will be clothes.
His money makes it happen.

I believe I was misquoted...

Something unbelievable....

lol, I love yoda :)

If I misquoted, my apologies dear sir.


just for a moment let's take
your route shall we?

Let's say Paul is elected,
do you think he will be
able to take away ALL that
legislation that the congress
has enacted for over 200 years ??
With no support in the Senate
or the House ??? He is a true
Libertarian, not a Republican
or Democrat.

He will become an instant lame duck
president. He will get no cooperation
from the hill, therefore nothing
he is promising will bear fruit.
In 4 years, folks will say the same
thing they are saying about Bush and
Obama about Paul. He was a wasted vote.

The problem is not the candidate.
the problem is TPTB entrenched
in the system. Paul cannot fix that.
Nothing can fix that barring a
full blown Revolution or a coup.
So why elect him if he will not do
anything he is promising ???
The president is not a dictator.
He does not have total control
over this nation.

Money has a lot of power, but there are things with more power...there is dedication, hard work, perseverance and a deep and unshakable conviction that you will stand for what is right, no matter the consequences. Shams can fool some...but they are no match for the spark that can be ignited by people that have the true power of conviction on their side. The truth will always shine the brightest flame...

Cathy O'Brien, White House/Pentagon satanic mind controlled sex slave - "George Bush and Bill Clinton didn't recognize any party lines between them. That is just a smoke and mirrors illusion for the public. They were friends and had exactly the same agenda, and that was to bring in the New World Order.

In 1984, I heard George Bush telling Bill Clinton that when the American people became disillusioned with Republicans leading them into the New World Order, that Bill Clinton was going to be put into the office of president. This was decided in 1984. They were already discussing it as an absolute fact."

Starts at 8:05 in:



Any guess as what they would feed the American public when they got tired of both parties leading them into the New World Order?

Ron Paul and his whole family are Freemasons.



The Rothschilds own all the media, political candidates, and their opposition.

I know psychologically it's unbearable for most of you to face that no one but Jesus Christ can save you, but wake up

The truth will set you free.

but the MSM will not show the flame
to the masses. Rothschild
has issued sun glasses.

So the truth is what Rothschild
says is the truth.

And if they take off those sun glasses
or they switch the channel, then
Rothschild creates a distraction
to divert their attention.

You have no idea how resilient
this Rothschild family is.

they have been creating mass illusions
for over 200 years.

It's no problem. I have trouble following my own train of thought sometimes lol. Actually I am a ma'am....
No, I don't think he will be able to solve everything. I do have a strong belief that his foreign policy...which he can implement without congress, will help our country economically.I also believe that if he stays truthful, which I have no reason to believe he won't, the movements he is helping inspire could play a large role in getting a congress elected that more in tune with the American people than the corporations, as well as state and local officials.A lot of plans like this go wrong because of shortsightedness. I hope this generation does not make the same mistakes as previous ones and will be willing to sacrifice for a vision that probably will not be realized in any of our lifetimes...but will be of benefit for many more generations. The controllers got their power through many years of subterfuge, and it will take many years of light to banish it. We have to think long term...

sorry, my apologies ma'am :) lol

this is where we differ.

Paul will not solve anything
because Rothschild will not
allow Paul to be elected.
By hook or crook or by mass
illusion or WW3. Rothschild
will not allow it.

But like I said, Paul does serve
a purpose for Rothschild,
he keeps Patriots from revolting
because he gives them hope.
Even if that hope is a candle
in a hurricane.

Rockefeller's CFR controls those institutions in North America. Him Rothschild and the rest are all papal knights or Freemason-Templars serving the Vatican since the Jesuits took over c. 1798.

What "zionists"? Are they going to Israel?

I have to disagree...if the illusion became visible to me other people have to be capable of seeing it too. For the ones that aren't unable to see, simply unwilling, I can't give up hope that they will come around, but I also cannot waste my time trying to convince them. I have actually had someone tell me they didn't care if our government killed every muslim in the whole world!! I have had the same person tell me that the NDAA is a good thing.... and there is nothing wrong with the government spying on private citizens. I have to try to concentrate on the middle of the road people and hope others do the same.

maybe you didn't see my previous post.

Paul could get 20 Million votes more
than any other candidate and would still
not win the presidency. There is no
checks and balances in electronic voting
machines. No accountability.
No matter how many people
you wake up and get to the polls,
is not gonna change the fake vote count.
Rothschild wins

unless you take back the system
that he owns.

No matter how many people you
wake up, it's irrelevant !!!

Voting and elections are a waste
of your time. This is the truth
TPTB don't want you to know.

Even if they win this round..I'm thinking assassination if it seems inevitable that he will win...it will not deter the people out there like me. Hope will only get you so far, prayer will get you a little farther, but it all comes down to determination and will. Sometimes a revolution is the only way...but I believe that every peaceful avenue must be explored first.
I really wish there was a Spartacus icon on here

please tell me you are not
this naive ???

Yes there could be a rigged election...that's why I think there should be an unofficial independent survey of voters in real time....just to see how the numbers stack up. I hate to see it, but a fraud on that scale could very well cause a revolution.

Maybe this will help.... [link to en.wikipedia.org]

I am glad you said this instead of me.
But I was thinking it.

Rothschild's war machine kills
innocent people everyday.

1 politician will not matter to him.
A drop of water in a full bucket.

there COULD be a rigged election ??? lol

there HAS been rigged elections for decades.
This one will be no different.

And a 3rd party count will not bear fruit.
Rothschild will nip that in the bud
with lawyers and a law suit as a breech
of elections protocol.

bunch of stuff about Israel. They do not run washington or whatever.