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Game Over for NASA Moon-Landing Hoax

 
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god, you are clueless... you are just parroting what you have been told has occurred by what you perceive to be an authority figure.

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It usual demonstration of your inability to discuss.

you can spout as many "solid verifiable facts" as you want. sooner or later you'e moving into the realm of total faith in believing what you see on those Apollo videos are real and not fake.

claiming the scenes depicted on those Apollo videos are absolutely real is an outrageous claim and based on faith, whether you want to admit it or not.

this claim is only taken seriously because it has a Nasa logo attached to it, and there are still enough fools in the world that think agencies like these are noble or trustworthy.
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The people (Astro, nomuse, Hal, Menow, etc.), that claim that NASA has not falsified its Moon videos, has offered to you arguments, and not faith, during 120 pages: their claims have appealed to science and rationales, and not to NASA's credibility (or to other authority principle). A review of the pages is enough to prove this. As a result of your inability to dismantle their arguments rationally, you accuse them of being victims of an irrational faith in NASA when you yourself have proven to be clinging to your beliefs without proof, evidence or reason, with ongoing appeals to your unproved intuitions and convictions.

Let me recall that your basic argument (based in the so called 'moonhoaxer's logic') has always been:

"The NASA falsification is clear and all the people can see it. How? Don't you see it? Ah! this is because you are a shill! What? That there are third-party scientific evidences to prove the moon manned landing? Well, it doesn't matter because I don't believe them.... And, what the fuck! They, and you, and all who proves that the moon manned landing wasn't a hoax, are shills, because you are only science believers and worshipers of the NASA and the American Government!"

Can you see how fallacious are you, boy? You are the 'hoax-believer', and not those who do not think like you.

there are many logical problems with this claim, one being that we landed men safely on the moon 236,000 miles out and back, yet it is 2012 and we still do not have a single hi-resolution image of that landing site... Now you can parrot some pathetic reason why this is the case, and try and convince the weak-minded that you have provided a sufficient answer, but we all know it is complete bull.
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"All we know..." what do you know? You persist in empty phrases ('tag lines') that demonstrate that you do know nothing and you are simply an arrogant and obfuscated ignorant. And, as usual, you don't tell the true: of course there are high-resolution images:

"Images taken by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) mission beginning in July 2009 show the six Apollo Lunar Module descent stages, Apollo Lunar Surface Experiment Package (ALSEP) science experiments, astronaut footpaths, and lunar rover tire tracks. These images are the most effective proof to date to rebut the "landing hoax" theories. Although this probe was indeed launched by NASA, the camera and the interpretation of the images are under the control of an academic group —the LROC Science Operations Center at Arizona State University, along with many other academic groups.

After the images shown here were taken, the LRO mission moved into a lower orbit for higher resolution camera work. All of the sites have since been re-imaged at higher resolution." (Wikipedia, [link to en.wikipedia.org]

Examples:

[link to lroc.sese.asu.edu]

[link to lroc.sese.asu.edu]

[link to www.nasa.gov]

....nor have we sent a man any further than 400 miles, "coincidentally" before the VA belts that some people like Anonymous Astrophysicist claim is impossible to send humans through safely with Apollo style equipment.

also, it is worth noting that none of you ever debated Anonymous Astrophysicst's arguments. you consistently teamed up to attack his character.

yet as soon as he left, all you tools started ranting about your mystical "science and facts" powers. i bet if he shows up again, you will slither away, or only poke your heads out to hurl some insults like you did before, which anyone can search back into previous pages and confirm.

book
 Quoting: OP


The IDW's more normal assertions (those few that are not typical of a racist sociopath) are based in the ignorance of the basic science. The VA Belts vs Apollo missions issue is a outdated and boring topic. You, and IDW, will learn something about it on the following link:

[link to www.braeunig.us]

BTW, the first person who insulted (and that in the absence of arguments, continuously insulting) was you!

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You have to believe that to be true, because without it your whole house of cards comes tumbling down.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


You're defending the house of cards. Unfortunately they are nothing but a dusty pile on the floor right now.


You have no clue of how subversive the scientific method is.
It accepts no authority. Be it Pope or Emperor.
It let's the facts speak.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Hal, you are like a perpetual comedy act. How many posts have you simply referred to the powers of the scientific method? Do you think this gives you some sort of credibility? What a fraud you are to keep throwing these lines out.

I think they are genuine. With a extremely high degree of certainty.
My assertion is that nobody has provided any evidence that they are not.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


That's nice. Some stupid kids probably believe and assert the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park are real too. Your assertions are not special. Actually they are worthless because everyone on this thread knows you will defend NASA no matter what. You show no signs of skepticism. You're an intellectual joke.


There are hundreds of really close-up pictures taken right on the spot. ;)
LROC has imaged several of the sites with resolutions better then 25 cm/pixel.
That actually beats any non-military satellite.
(They could do that by getting closer. They could get closer because the Moon doesn't have a atmosphere.)
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Yep, already called this one. See below.

Now you can parrot some pathetic reason why this is the case, and try and convince the weak-minded that you have provided a sufficient answer, but we all know it is complete bull.
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...........


also, it is worth noting that none of you ever debated Anonymous Astrophysicst's arguments. you consistently teamed up to attack his character.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

We have a history.
IDW has never been right.

He isn't right about Einstein having been a mumbling retard.
He isn't right about photons actually being electrons.
He isn't right about the VABs being impassable with the CSM.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


And you do not know the answer to any of these. You've only been told and repeated things like a good little parrot.

My problem with IDW isn't that he's crazy, or wrong.
My problem with him is that he is a racist (pathologically so) and down right evil.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


That's fine, everyone has their opinions.


Like I said before, you're a joke and an intellectual fraud. I freely admit to lacking any advanced knowledge in any school of science, but I am consistently able to pick apart your hilarious posts for the psychological, manipulative nonsense that they are. You never say anything, but always act as if you did.

Go home, shill.

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Wha, wha, wha...

I fail to detect a single piece of evidence to support you assertions in that diatribe.

YOU claimed it was proven Apollo was hoaxed.
YOU failed to deliver.

In fact you failed to proof a single thing.

That's all there is to it.
Case closed, jury dismissed.
book

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then the shuttle could have easily orbited or at least left earth orbit but not once.
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Nope.

Even just suggesting it indicates you are talking out of your patute.
book
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I think this guy smokes so much he is lost in orbit.




according to this expert space is not a problem it's black and grey and we were gonna get moonbases 30 years ago.

but now the story your telling is the far superior space shuttle can't fly in space because it's to dangerous.
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then the shuttle could have easily orbited or at least left earth orbit but not once.
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Nope.

Even just suggesting it indicates you are talking out of your patute.
book
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Bingo.
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Re: Game Over for NASA Moon-Landing Hoax
YOU claimed it was proven Apollo was hoaxed.
YOU failed to deliver.

In fact you failed to proof a single thing.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Sorry, Hal. I am not the claimant. The people professing amazing first-time-in-history technological feats that have not even remotely been repeated in over 30 years are the claimants.


YOU have totally failed to support the incredible claim that the Apollo videos were shot 236,000 miles away on the moon's surface.

If I am wrong, show me one post where you proved it.

Just shooting off that "everything has been debunked" is not proof. It's just you being an amusing clown as usual.

book
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then the shuttle could have easily orbited or at least left earth orbit but not once.
 Quoting: UK Coward 12512532

Nope.

Even just suggesting it indicates you are talking out of your patute.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I think this guy smokes so much he is lost in orbit.

 Quoting: UK Coward 12512532

Hey, it's Neil Armstrong.
The guy so many hoaxies claim doesn't give interviews.

according to this expert space is not a problem
 Quoting: UK Coward 12512532

He says that?
In what language?

it's black and grey
 Quoting: UK Coward 12512532

Space is black, the moon is grey.
What does the colour have to do with it being 'no problem'?

and we were gonna get moonbases 30 years ago.
 Quoting: UK Coward 12512532

We we're going to get moonbases 80 years ago.
Roads not (yet) taken.

but now the story your telling is the far superior space shuttle can't fly in space because it's to dangerous.
 Quoting: UK Coward 12512532

I'm telling you it isn't 'far superior'.

It uses more advanced technology but lots of things are wrong about the design and concept.

And yes Apollo was safer.
The failures that caused the space shuttle disasters simply couldn't have happened with Apollo hardware.
If the rocket explodes the capsule can escape.
The heat shield is covered by the Service Module until just before reentry and thus can't get damaged that way.

The space shuttle designers had to fulfil a whole slew of conflicting requirements on a shoestring budget.
In hindsight it is not a surprise they failed.

The shuttle was like a cheap Swiss army knife knock-off, lots of tools none of them of much use.
Saturn/Apollo was a razor-sharp sword. It could do one thing, but could do it very well.
book
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The people (Astro, nomuse, Hal, Menow, etc.), that claim that NASA has not falsified its Moon videos, has offered to you arguments, and not faith, during 120 pages: their claims have appealed to science and rationales, and not to NASA's credibility (or to other authority principle). A review of the pages is enough to prove this. As a result of your inability to dismantle their arguments rationally, you accuse them of being victims of an irrational faith in NASA when you yourself have proven to be clinging to your beliefs without proof, evidence or reason, with ongoing appeals to your unproved intuitions and convictions.
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Show me one post where they proved the claim that the Apollo videos were recorded 236,000 miles away on the moon.
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YOU claimed it was proven Apollo was hoaxed.
YOU failed to deliver.

In fact you failed to proof a single thing.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Sorry, Hal. I am not the claimant.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

YES. YOU. ARE!

The accuser ALWAYS has the burden of proof.

"You, Anonymous OP 8597527, are a child-molester, a drug peddler, and a jaywalker. Proof me wrong!"
Do you really think that is how it works?

The people professing amazing first-time-in-history technological feats that have not even remotely been repeated in over 30 years are the claimants.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

They are however not here.
And they have nothing to proof to you.

Again. YOU being ignorant of the evidence is YOUR problem.
I have never seen evidence that you are not a child-molester, a drug-peddler, and a jaywalker.
So must we presume that you are a child-molester, a drug-peddler, and a jaywalker?

YOU have totally failed to support the incredible claim that the Apollo videos were shot 236,000 miles away on the moon's surface.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

Burden of proof lies with the accusers of fakery.

If I am wrong, show me one post where you proved it.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

It is not possible to proof with 100% certainty that something is genuine.
Only that it wasn't faked with any known methods.
That is why the burden of proof lies with the claimant of fakery.

Just shooting off that "everything has been debunked" is not proof.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

Than show us something that hasn't been debunked a hundred times over.
For once, surprise us.

It's just you being an amusing clown as usual.
book
 Quoting: Anonymous "argument from ignorance" OP 8597527

Trying to shift the burden of proof is standard procedure for hoaxies.

That's yet another reason they aren't taken serious in the grown-up land.
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YOU claimed it was proven Apollo was hoaxed.
YOU failed to deliver.

In fact you failed to proof a single thing.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Sorry, Hal. I am not the claimant.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

YES. YOU. ARE!

The accuser ALWAYS has the burden of proof.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


1rof1

Here is your silly mantra again.

"The accuser always has the burden of proof?" Says who? In all cases, regardless of circumstance? If a wild claim is being made void of accusation, this somehow liberates the claim from the same standards as accusations?

You are such a parroting simpleton.

If you can't prove something then you just hide behind courtroom style legalese.


"You, Anonymous OP 8597527, are a child-molester, a drug peddler, and a jaywalker. Proof me wrong!"
Do you really think that is how it works?

 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Yawn.

Hal, I can bend spoons with my mind. Fact!

Don't believe me? YOU are the accuser. PrOOf me wrong! (I even recorded it on video, but I lost it, sorry. )



Hal, Your arguments are such a joke.

You are the silliest intellectual-wannabe I've ever had the pleasure to watch spin his wheels.

cruise
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The people (Astro, nomuse, Hal, Menow, etc.), that claim that NASA has not falsified its Moon videos, has offered to you arguments, and not faith, during 120 pages: their claims have appealed to science and rationales, and not to NASA's credibility (or to other authority principle). A review of the pages is enough to prove this. As a result of your inability to dismantle their arguments rationally, you accuse them of being victims of an irrational faith in NASA when you yourself have proven to be clinging to your beliefs without proof, evidence or reason, with ongoing appeals to your unproved intuitions and convictions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12762990


Show me one post where they proved the claim that the Apollo videos were recorded 236,000 miles away on the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


No, streetwise! You must prove that the Apollo videos are fake (Remember? It's your claim that the Apollo missions were a hoax). They just have to prove that NASA has not falsified its Moon videos (as they have done, for the moment), showing, rationally and scientifically, that there's no anomaly in them which could be inconsistent with its recording on the Moon.


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I'm telling you it isn't 'far superior'.

It uses more advanced technology but lots of things are wrong about the design and concept.

And yes Apollo was safer.
The failures that caused the space shuttle disasters simply couldn't have happened with Apollo hardware.
If the rocket explodes the capsule can escape.
The heat shield is covered by the Service Module until just before reentry and thus can't get damaged that way.

The space shuttle designers had to fulfil a whole slew of conflicting requirements on a shoestring budget.
In hindsight it is not a surprise they failed.

The shuttle was like a cheap Swiss army knife knock-off, lots of tools none of them of much use.
Saturn/Apollo was a razor-sharp sword. It could do one thing, but could do it very well.
book
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it's a space shuttle the clues in the name SPACE if it can survive the vaccuum of space in orbit around earth then it can obviously survive the exact same vaccuum around the moon.
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YOU claimed it was proven Apollo was hoaxed.
YOU failed to deliver.

In fact you failed to proof a single thing.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Sorry, Hal. I am not the claimant.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

YES. YOU. ARE!

The accuser ALWAYS has the burden of proof.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


1rof1

Here is your silly mantra again.

"The accuser always has the burden of proof?" Says who? In all cases, regardless of circumstance? If a wild claim is being made void of accusation, this somehow liberates the claim from the same standards as accusations?

You are such a parroting simpleton.

If you can't prove something then you just hide behind courtroom style legalese.


"You, Anonymous OP 8597527, are a child-molester, a drug peddler, and a jaywalker. Proof me wrong!"
Do you really think that is how it works?

 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Yawn.

Hal, I can bend spoons with my mind. Fact!

Don't believe me? YOU are the accuser. PrOOf me wrong! (I even recorded it on video, but I lost it, sorry. )



Hal, Your arguments are such a joke.

You are the silliest intellectual-wannabe I've ever had the pleasure to watch spin his wheels.

cruise
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I hallucinate with you, kid! You've made a very serious accusation: that U.S. government organizations (NASA, the government, etc), dozens of universities and corporations, and thousands of citizens involved in Apollo Project have deceived and cheated to millions of people around the world, for over 40 years, to justify spurious interests. For the sake of analogy, this is (and, of course, saving the distances) as if you accuse to an employee of to defraud his company. From whom is the burden of proof, boy? Yours, of course, because everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a trial, and in the real life. Your attitude is typical of a coward who accuses without evidence (an slanderer), and in addition intends the accused must prove his innocence.

You're like the inquisitors accusing people of witchcraft and hoped that they prove their innocence: an irrational and dangerous fool.

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everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a trial, and in the real life.
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This is not a courtroom, Moran.

A court case can be thrown out over a technicality, even if guilt is obvious and known by all on a level of common sense and simple bullshit detection.
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Remember that big orange cylinder attached to the orbiter during launch?
That was the fuel tank.
All that fuel, and two big solid fuel boosters, was needed to just go into LEO.
It's internal tanks carried only enough for manoeuvring and re-entry.
It's cargo capacity was 30 tonnes.
It COULD NOT go anywhere else.
It was NOT DESIGNED to go anywhere else.
It was designed to be a surface-to-LEO space truck.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

I'm telling you it isn't 'far superior'.
It uses more advanced technology but lots of things are wrong about the design and concept.

And yes Apollo was safer.
The failures that caused the space shuttle disasters simply couldn't have happened with Apollo hardware.
If the rocket explodes the capsule can escape.
The heat shield is covered by the Service Module until just before reentry and thus can't get damaged that way.

The space shuttle designers had to fulfill a whole slew of conflicting requirements on a shoestring budget.
In hindsight it is not a surprise they failed.

The shuttle was like a cheap Swiss army knife knock-off, lots of tools none of them of much use.
Saturn/Apollo was a razor-sharp sword. It could do one thing, but could do it very well.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

it's a space shuttle the clues in the name SPACE if it can survive the vaccuum of space in orbit around earth then it can obviously survive the exact same vaccuum around the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12512532

How is it going to get there?

Are you even following this?
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"The accuser always has the burden of proof?" Says who?
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

Me. My neighbour. My great-aunt.
Pretty much every rational adult.

In all cases, regardless of circumstance?
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

Yup.

If you claim Napoleon was six feet tall nobody would care.
If you claim there was a nefarious conspiracy to keep that fact hidden, then yes, show the evidence.

If a wild claim is being made void of accusation, this somehow liberates the claim from the same standards as accusations?
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

Any claim not supported by evidence can be summerally dismissed.

You are such a parroting simpleton.

If you can't prove something then you just hide behind courtroom style legalese.
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

Not my job to educate you.
It's your job to educate you.
You being ignorant of the evidence is nobody's problem but yours.

Being ignorant of the evidence boils down all your accusations to arguments from ignorance.
And can thus be ignored.

May I once again remind you that YOU started this tread?
It is about the claim that Apollo was hoaxed.
The claim that it was proven to be hoaxed.
It started with a lie.

And we've shown it is a lie.
That is what has been proven.

It's the only thing that matters here.

BTW, challenge still stands:
What evidence would convince you that Apollo is historical?
Continuing to evade this question can only mean that in your mind there isn't any possible.
Thus the rabid dogmatist here would be you.

"You, Anonymous OP 8597527, are a child-molester, a drug peddler, and a jaywalker. Proof me wrong!"
Do you really think that is how it works?
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Yawn.
Hal, I can bend spoons with my mind. Fact!
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

Who cares?


Don't believe me? YOU are the accuser. PrOOf me wrong! (I even recorded it on video, but I lost it, sorry. )
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Couldn't care less.
People claim all sorts of bizar shite they can't proof.
How is this relevant? It doesn't matter what I believe.
It would be perfectly okay for me to say "I think he's deluded".
It would not be okay for me to say "It is certain he is a fraud."
Because I can not proof that!

Nobody cares what you believe.
But as soon as you accuse thousands of wrongdoings it is no longer just a believe.
It is slander.

Hal, Your arguments are such a joke.
You are the silliest intellectual-wannabe I've ever had the pleasure to watch spin his wheels.
cruise
 Quoting: Anonymous OP 8597527

And you must be a child-mollester, a drug-peddler, and a jaywalker.
book
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You're like the inquisitors accusing people of witchcraft and hoped that they prove their innocence: an irrational and dangerous fool.
another do homeruhh
 Quoting: Spanish Coward 12762990

By his own standards we have proven that Anonymous OP 8597527 is indeed a child-molester, a drug peddler, and a jaywalker.
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sockpuppetsockpuppetsockpuppet

what a silly religious twit you are.
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I'm telling you it isn't 'far superior'.

It uses more advanced technology but lots of things are wrong about the design and concept.

And yes Apollo was safer.
The failures that caused the space shuttle disasters simply couldn't have happened with Apollo hardware.
If the rocket explodes the capsule can escape.
The heat shield is covered by the Service Module until just before reentry and thus can't get damaged that way.

The space shuttle designers had to fulfil a whole slew of conflicting requirements on a shoestring budget.
In hindsight it is not a surprise they failed.

The shuttle was like a cheap Swiss army knife knock-off, lots of tools none of them of much use.
Saturn/Apollo was a razor-sharp sword. It could do one thing, but could do it very well.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


it's a space shuttle the clues in the name SPACE if it can survive the vaccuum of space in orbit around earth then it can obviously survive the exact same vaccuum around the moon.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12512532


Wow, it's astonishing how ignorant you are of spaceflight all while making the claims you're trying to make. Hint, the reason(s) the space shuttle couldn't go to the moon has nothing to do with the vacuum in perilunar space versus low earth orbit. How much delta-V did the space shuttle have vs what the Saturn V had (with a CSM or CSM/LM)? What was the maximum temperature the shuttle's TPS could withstand vs the ablative heat shield of the command module? And don't even get me started on the dynamic loading limitations of the shuttle versus a re-entering capsule returning from trans-lunar trajectory. Some food for thought...
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When I watched this video it was the final piece that confirmed it for me. Not only does his body language and eye movement show he is lying when he is speaking of being no the moon, but to say that even from the Command module the stars were not visible, and that space is just black, confirmed that he is lying.

While I can understand why there are no stars in the pictures, and even understand that at times with the sun shining right in your face on the moon, you couldnt see stars, to suggest that even on the trip from the earth to the moon there are no visible stars is just the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard...

Body language is used consistantly in the legal field because it is a valid science, and while some extreme con men can get around most of the body's tells, the majority of people can not. The fact that there are so many tells in this interview just blew me away. And yes I did spend a few days doing research and learning about it, however I did already have a good foundation of understanding and knowledge about body language prior.

And if you pro nasa boys can tear yourselves away from the school yard back and forth pissing contest, I would like to know what your reasons are for why there are consistantly blue reflections in the LM and CM windows please..
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[link to www.youtube.com]

Would anyone in his right mind ( considering that he is on the moon where anything can go wrong) do this stunt. Once he reaches the standing position, wouldnt he have tripped backwards by inertia ??

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Re: Game Over for NASA Moon-Landing Hoax
Would anyone in his right mind do this kind of stunt:
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everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a trial, and in the real life.
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This is not a courtroom, Moran.

A court case can be thrown out over a technicality, even if guilt is obvious and known by all on a level of common sense and simple bullshit detection.
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Of course this is not a trial, it's the real life but: Do not divert the focus, as you always do!

Look, let me explain one last time to see if it opens a door in your limited brain:

1. You and your colleagues have made a claim, an assertion, a statement: that the moon landing was a hoax. Next, you and your colleagues have alleged anomalies, presented as evidence.

2. We have refuted, scientifically and rationally, each of these anomalies, proving that your statements were false.

3. In addition, we have presented evidence that the manned moon landing was real (dozens third-party links with proofs of the manned landing)

4. Still, we say (and Hal has remarked it, hoping to see if you learn something about it, kid!) that an adult defends his claims without requiring that the others must to prove otherwise.

Well.

a) You take 120 pages saying nothing about the issue, proving nothing, demanding all, and accusing us of being shills.

b) You have not rationally respond to any rebuttals that we have done, usually trying to divert attention.

c) Although the burden of proof is yours, we have given evidence that the moon landing was real (links of third-parties that have provided photos of landings, the trajectories of the Apollo missions, consistently with their passage through the VA belts, astronomical observations from the Moon, etc.). Your usual answer has been more fucking selfishness: "What you say, doesn't matters because I know..., I feel what's the true..., I have the intuition..., and you are shills"

d) One more time, you change the subject, saying that this is not a trial and that the technicalities are without sense.

So now, tell me, little grasshopper: Who is the fucking dick who are playing with subterfuges?

It's not our fault if you're a guy unable to understand basic issues of primary school. So, please, get a brain and an education. Oh no, that you can't... Because you are a fucking blamer, boy!

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I'm telling you it isn't 'far superior'.

It uses more advanced technology but lots of things are wrong about the design and concept.

And yes Apollo was safer.
The failures that caused the space shuttle disasters simply couldn't have happened with Apollo hardware.
If the rocket explodes the capsule can escape.
The heat shield is covered by the Service Module until just before reentry and thus can't get damaged that way.

The space shuttle designers had to fulfil a whole slew of conflicting requirements on a shoestring budget.
In hindsight it is not a surprise they failed.

The shuttle was like a cheap Swiss army knife knock-off, lots of tools none of them of much use.
Saturn/Apollo was a razor-sharp sword. It could do one thing, but could do it very well.
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it's a space shuttle the clues in the name SPACE if it can survive the vaccuum of space in orbit around earth then it can obviously survive the exact same vaccuum around the moon.
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But it doesn't have the thrust to get there.
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While I can understand why there are no stars in the pictures, and even understand that at times with the sun shining right in your face on the moon, you couldnt see stars, to suggest that even on the trip from the earth to the moon there are no visible stars is just the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard...

 Quoting: LD 12790853

If the internal lights are on then no you can't. They did see them at some times though as it is mentioned in the transcripts and they used them to navigate with.

And if you pro nasa boys can tear yourselves away from the school yard back and forth pissing contest, I would like to know what your reasons are for why there are consistantly blue reflections in the LM and CM windows please..
 Quoting: LD 12790853


Another poster answered that multiple pages back. They said they'd read it was glare caused by a coating on the windows. That it was also seen on many shuttle and ISS videos.
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While I can understand why there are no stars in the pictures, and even understand that at times with the sun shining right in your face on the moon, you couldnt see stars, to suggest that even on the trip from the earth to the moon there are no visible stars is just the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard...

 Quoting: LD 12790853

If the internal lights are on then no you can't. They did see them at some times though as it is mentioned in the transcripts and they used them to navigate with.

And if you pro nasa boys can tear yourselves away from the school yard back and forth pissing contest, I would like to know what your reasons are for why there are consistantly blue reflections in the LM and CM windows please..
 Quoting: LD 12790853


Another poster answered that multiple pages back. They said they'd read it was glare caused by a coating on the windows. That it was also seen on many shuttle and ISS videos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


So on earth in New York City with alllllllllll the lights there, you can see stars, even through the smog and the lights.. but on the command module, with no pollution, no city lights and few internal lights you cant... do you really believe what you just said?

As for the glare, I will do some more searching and see what I find, thankyou for that piece of information
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12512532


When I watched this video it was the final piece that confirmed it for me. Not only does his body language and eye movement show he is lying when he is speaking of being no the moon, but to say that even from the Command module the stars were not visible, and that space is just black, confirmed that he is lying.
 Quoting: LD 12790853

As someone who's studied body language, I have to disagree. I've seen many interviews with Armstrong and he's not a naturally comfortable speaker, displaying signs of nervousness. He has never been entirely comfortable in front of the camera, even before Apollo.

If you actually knew anything about body language, you'd know that it's almost impossible to tell when someone is lying. There's a great deal of myth about it, but there are very few useable signs, and none of them are reliable.


Body language is used consistantly in the legal field because it is a valid science, and while some extreme con men can get around most of the body's tells, the majority of people can not.
 Quoting: LD 12790853

Rubbish! Anyone trying to use body language as a justification for claiming someone in court is lying would likely find their case in serious trouble. It is not a "science", it's much more of an art, and one which doesn't claim to be foolproof or highly accurate. No judge would, I sincerely hope, take it as evidence, and anyone convicted using it would likely get off on appeal.

It's about as scientific as using a person's horoscope to determine their guilt. And I say that as someone who has learned a lot about body language, having been taught by an expert, the author of several books. I can pull a lot of tricks, read a lot of things about people, often get my way when I want to, but one thing I'd never do was to claim someone was lying purely on the basis of body language.

The fact that there are so many tells in this interview just blew me away. And yes I did spend a few days doing research and learning about it, however I did already have a good foundation of understanding and knowledge about body language prior.
 Quoting: LD 12790853

Oooh, you found a fancy sounding word to make it sound like you know what you're talking about. So, c'mon then, tell us what Armstrong's "tells" are.

This of course is nothing more than clutching at straws. You can't debate the issues already raised, having neither the knowledge or ability, so you throw in yet more diversions...
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Re: Game Over for NASA Moon-Landing Hoax
While I can understand why there are no stars in the pictures, and even understand that at times with the sun shining right in your face on the moon, you couldnt see stars, to suggest that even on the trip from the earth to the moon there are no visible stars is just the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard...

 Quoting: LD 12790853

If the internal lights are on then no you can't. They did see them at some times though as it is mentioned in the transcripts and they used them to navigate with.

And if you pro nasa boys can tear yourselves away from the school yard back and forth pissing contest, I would like to know what your reasons are for why there are consistantly blue reflections in the LM and CM windows please..
 Quoting: LD 12790853


Another poster answered that multiple pages back. They said they'd read it was glare caused by a coating on the windows. That it was also seen on many shuttle and ISS videos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


So on earth in New York City with alllllllllll the lights there, you can see stars, even through the smog and the lights.. but on the command module, with no pollution, no city lights and few internal lights you cant... do you really believe what you just said?

As for the glare, I will do some more searching and see what I find, thankyou for that piece of information
 Quoting: LD 12790853


With the lights on in the cabin (not just a few) and the glare on the windows I can see it would be very hard to see stars. Seems like a non issue though because they did see them sometimes as it is in the transcripts and they used them to navigate.
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everyone is innocent until proven guilty, in a trial, and in the real life.
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This is not a courtroom, Moran.

A court case can be thrown out over a technicality, even if guilt is obvious and known by all on a level of common sense and simple bullshit detection.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527



Of course this is not a trial, it's the real life but: Do not divert the focus, as you always do!

Look, let me explain one last time to see if it opens a door in your limited brain:

1. You and your colleagues have made a claim, an assertion, a statement: that the moon landing was a hoax. Next, you and your colleagues have alleged anomalies, presented as evidence.

2. We have refuted, scientifically and rationally, each of these anomalies, proving that your statements were false.

3. In addition, we have presented evidence that the manned moon landing was real (dozens third-party links with proofs of the manned landing)

4. Still, we say (and Hal has remarked it, hoping to see if you learn something about it, kid!) that an adult defends his claims without requiring that the others must to prove otherwise.

Well.

a) You take 120 pages saying nothing about the issue, proving nothing, demanding all, and accusing us of being shills.

b) You have not rationally respond to any rebuttals that we have done, usually trying to divert attention.

c) Although the burden of proof is yours, we have given evidence that the moon landing was real (links of third-parties that have provided photos of landings, the trajectories of the Apollo missions, consistently with their passage through the VA belts, astronomical observations from the Moon, etc.). Your usual answer has been more fucking selfishness: "What you say, doesn't matters because I know..., I feel what's the true..., I have the intuition..., and you are shills"

d) One more time, you change the subject, saying that this is not a trial and that the technicalities are without sense.

So now, tell me, little grasshopper: Who is the fucking dick who are playing with subterfuges?

It's not our fault if you're a guy unable to understand basic issues of primary school. So, please, get a brain and an education. Oh no, that you can't... Because you are a fucking blamer, boy!

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12762990


This is all well and good.

The problem is, after all your arguments and "evidence" and "science", at the end of the day you are trying to tell people that this is real.



It's a joke. Really it is.

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Re: Game Over for NASA Moon-Landing Hoax
While I can understand why there are no stars in the pictures, and even understand that at times with the sun shining right in your face on the moon, you couldnt see stars, to suggest that even on the trip from the earth to the moon there are no visible stars is just the most ridiculous thing Ive ever heard...

 Quoting: LD 12790853

If the internal lights are on then no you can't. They did see them at some times though as it is mentioned in the transcripts and they used them to navigate with.

And if you pro nasa boys can tear yourselves away from the school yard back and forth pissing contest, I would like to know what your reasons are for why there are consistantly blue reflections in the LM and CM windows please..
 Quoting: LD 12790853


Another poster answered that multiple pages back. They said they'd read it was glare caused by a coating on the windows. That it was also seen on many shuttle and ISS videos.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


So on earth in New York City with alllllllllll the lights there, you can see stars, even through the smog and the lights.. but on the command module, with no pollution, no city lights and few internal lights you cant... do you really believe what you just said?

As for the glare, I will do some more searching and see what I find, thankyou for that piece of information
 Quoting: LD 12790853


With the lights on in the cabin (not just a few) and the glare on the windows I can see it would be very hard to see stars. Seems like a non issue though because they did see them sometimes as it is in the transcripts and they used them to navigate.
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LMAO...the cabin wasn't even big enough for 2 astronots with full space gear on.


unless of course Buzz stepped outside and put his on

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The problem is, after all your arguments and "evidence" and "science", at the end of the day you are trying to tell people that this is real.



It's a joke. Really it is.
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So, what exactly do you think is wrong with the lift off shown? You obviously don't think it's real, but fail completely to explain why - as usual.

Anyway, from what I can see you'd need a hell of a big studio to film that in if you were faking it...
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LMAO...the cabin wasn't even big enough for 2 astronots with full space gear on.


unless of course Buzz stepped outside and put his on
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Yet another assertion with no evidence to back it up.

How much space was there in the LEM? What were the dimensions? How much space was needed to accomodate two people with suits on? How much additional space would be needed for putting suits on or taking them off?

Maybe if you concentrated on one claim, instead of jumping around all the time we could get somewhere. Instead you seem to be just copying claim after claim after claim from all the old Apollo hoax sites, with no interest in actually looking at anyone's answers to them. They're all old, well debunked, and the information is out there if you could only be bothered to look for it.

Once again you show that you're not actually interested in finding out the truth, you're only interested in bolstering your religiously held beliefs, and nothing anyone can say, no evidence we could show you, would ever change your mind.

Answer me one question - what would change your mind? What one piece of evidence would it take to convince you that Apollo happened?

I suspect the answer is "nothing", because, unfortunately, you have no interest in truth, only in ranting at the universe, claiming you're right, but secretly, inwardly, knowing you're almost certainly wrong in every respect...

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