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Game Over for NASA Moon-Landing Hoax

 
Menow
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I've long since realized it's impossible to convert a die hard hoax believer, they're not open to evidence.
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Well im gonna have to call you out on that Astro.. that is just not true.. Many times on this thread I have conceded when shown correctly where I was mistaken.. I am open to the evidence.. from both sides and have displayed this time and again with humility & grattitude when I was shown the mistake I had made
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Nope. You'll just re-focus on another aspect of the conspiracy you are SURE exists.
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Not to get into the weeds too far, but that was a critique of credentialism and training-as-virtue in our society writ large, not an indictment of your schooling (or self-teaching, which can be just as productive). As for the moon landing hoax, I came to the thread to form an opinion, not to argue for one. Any casual reader will notice fairly quickly, however, that your responses tend to focus on other posters' intelligence, lack of credentials, zealous and unfounded beliefs, etc., and not their arguments. I find that revealing, and I think a lot of other people who are neutral on the issue will too.
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Bullshit. The focus goes, inexorably, to lack of credentials and education due to a plethora of laughably false assumptions which could only be made by those who are out of their depth in the discussion.

The hoaxies want to start with the assumption that no one really knows anything about astronomy; photography; etc, etc, etc. It simply isn't true. Knowledgeable people DO know something about those things, even though most hoaxies don't seem to know the most elementary things in those areas.
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would you refuse $5000 to just tell the truth ????

slap hand on bible , " i walked on moon " , easy $5000

I bet no man would refuse this offer and most would have lied to get the $5000

what if it was a court of law would he take an oath on a bible and state he walked on the moon , I doubt it !!
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I am reminded of when Nancy Lieder exhorted astronomers to image her coordinates for "planet X", which she said would be seen at magnitude 10-11. Someone took that image, showing nothing of the sort at her coordinates. Nancy then took a left turn and picked out bits of fluff and image artifacts, claiming THOSE to be her planet. In other words, why trust the jackass? Would it REALLY "put to rest" the hoax story? Of course not. The hoaxies would just say that he "nervously" complied with the request, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...
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I am reminded of when Nancy Lieder exhorted astronomers to image her coordinates for "planet X", which she said would be seen at magnitude 10-11. Someone took that image, showing nothing of the sort at her coordinates. Nancy then took a left turn and picked out bits of fluff and image artifacts, claiming THOSE to be her planet. In other words, why trust the jackass? Would it REALLY "put to rest" the hoax story? Of course not. The hoaxies would just say that he "nervously" complied with the request, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...
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Magnitude +10?

How exactly is it ever a naked-eye object, then? Do the aliens living on it light off a bonfire every now and then (would have to be a heck of a bonfire...I'm thinking gigaton-range nuclear weapons might be a good start)
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I am reminded of when Nancy Lieder exhorted astronomers to image her coordinates for "planet X", which she said would be seen at magnitude 10-11. Someone took that image, showing nothing of the sort at her coordinates. Nancy then took a left turn and picked out bits of fluff and image artifacts, claiming THOSE to be her planet. In other words, why trust the jackass? Would it REALLY "put to rest" the hoax story? Of course not. The hoaxies would just say that he "nervously" complied with the request, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc...
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Magnitude +10?

How exactly is it ever a naked-eye object, then? Do the aliens living on it light off a bonfire every now and then (would have to be a heck of a bonfire...I'm thinking gigaton-range nuclear weapons might be a good start)
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Yes. That was her prediction/claim- that it would be imaged at mag 10-11 in early 2002 or so. I bet it's still archived somewhere- maybe even on her own site. She never really was concerned about the internal contradictions in her story. Of course she originally claimed that it was "visible to the naked eye" way back in 1996 or so. She later amended that to say "telescope/computer assisted eye". Heh.
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Here is one reference to Nancy's silly claim. After images were taken by John Oliver, proving Nancy wrong, she began picking out stuff right at the noise floor- mag 18-20, and calling them her planet, never addressing the radical contradiction to her standing magnitude claim.


[link to www.zetatalk.com]


Remember that OBSERVATORY grade scopes are required until
mid-2002, as the distance away precludes reflecting sunlight until
that time (it reflects only 1/81 the sunlight that Pluto does at this
time), and precludes a significant increase in size until that time
(it is only about 3 times the size of Pluto in your scopes at this
time). Also a reminder that the predominant color of the inbound
planet is red, specifically in the infra-red range (the means by which
it was located in 1983 by the IRAS team), and the lack of infra-red
capability in all but specialized equipment eliminates the dominant
color that Planet X exudes (thus look for a Magnitude 11 object, not
Magnitude 2 which it is when equipment has infra-red capabilities).
Screen FOR red, go to your local observatory, and insist that the
coordinates specified by the Zetas be used, and none others, and as the
coordiantes are given to be used at any location, look AROUND the
spot for something not in the star charts.
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Here is John Olivers page (from the wayback archives) where he kept a running analysis of Nancy's astronomical claims. I'm sure there are many broken links in it by now. I'll post it to the debunker thread too.

[link to web.archive.org]
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they never went .it was a lie .
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they never went .it was a lie .
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rofl
"optimum judgment"

I guess irony isn't lost on you then...
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Here is one reference to Nancy's silly claim. After images were taken by John Oliver, proving Nancy wrong, she began picking out stuff right at the noise floor- mag 18-20, and calling them her planet, never addressing the radical contradiction to her standing magnitude claim.


[link to www.zetatalk.com]


Remember that OBSERVATORY grade scopes are required until
mid-2002, as the distance away precludes reflecting sunlight until
that time (it reflects only 1/81 the sunlight that Pluto does at this
time), and precludes a significant increase in size until that time
(it is only about 3 times the size of Pluto in your scopes at this
time). Also a reminder that the predominant color of the inbound
planet is red, specifically in the infra-red range (the means by which
it was located in 1983 by the IRAS team), and the lack of infra-red
capability in all but specialized equipment eliminates the dominant
color that Planet X exudes (thus look for a Magnitude 11 object, not
Magnitude 2 which it is when equipment has infra-red capabilities).
Screen FOR red, go to your local observatory, and insist that the
coordinates specified by the Zetas be used, and none others, and as the
coordiantes are given to be used at any location, look AROUND the
spot for something not in the star charts.
 Quoting: Menow 14092435


Actually, the idea that it is primarily visible in the infrared is kinda cool... making the X-ites a sort of Kardashev Class I civilization for their present distance.

Except the idea that it is +2 in infrared would make it more of a power generator. Characterize it then as the Stealth Death Star; massive power generation behind a black light-absorbing shell.

Maybe they only run their generators on state occasions, tho, which is why every long-wave astronomer isn't squawking about it?
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they never went .it was a lie .
 Quoting: optimum judgment

rofl
"optimum judgment"

I guess irony isn't lost on you then...
lolsign
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Let's give him the benefit of doubt. Maybe the space bar is broken on his computer.

And the caps key.


Oh, never mind. I'm having trouble believing this is someone capable of critiquing the work of actual bona-fide "rocket scientists."
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Golden-Vizor-Uppercut!

Vizor Uppercut!

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is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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'I Absol-fuckin-lutely am standing on the Fuckin' Moon..'



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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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Interesting observation - Aldrin is backlit, whereas the prominent rock in the background is front-lit, suggesting a localized light source between the two:

[link to images.nationalgeographic.com]

Those first photos are the most telling, the later ones seem to be much more authentic. So either we did actually go to the moon at a later date, or fakery techniques improved.
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Interesting observation - Aldrin is backlit, whereas the prominent rock in the background is front-lit, suggesting a localized light source between the two:

[link to images.nationalgeographic.com]

Those first photos are the most telling, the later ones seem to be much more authentic. So either we did actually go to the moon at a later date, or fakery techniques improved.
 Quoting: Urban


Shadow analysis fail.
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Oh, never mind. I'm having trouble believing this is someone capable of critiquing the work of actual bona-fide "rocket scientists."
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hahaha
and who would that be?

anybody can claim anything on this stupid medium called the internet.

bona fide rocket scientists?
I thought the NAZI Werner Von Braun was one and he said it was essentially impossible to fly to the Moon based on what he knew....
But then his first real job in the USA was hooking up with Walt Disney to make cartoons suggesting it was possible to go the Moon...because if we can go the moon, aLIEns and UFOs can fly here...SEEDS need to be planted...for the (first born) generations to come.

Funny how the ignorant NASA NAZI plebes who show up to defend the honor of NASA are usually silent when discussions veer into rarely discussed associations, like what happens when you detonate bombs in the Van Allen Belts?

Or why the Van Allen Belts should be renamed after the fella who suggested they were there?

Van Allen only suggested a Geiger counter be put on board the satellite.

Or why we cannot get a decent HI-RES image of ROVER sitting on the Moon's surface, if the technology to deliver a HI-RES image of an object 3 inches square from 100 miles up has been available since the mid 1960s?????

STFU NASA stooges you are GROUNDED based on facts.

Like the fact is that NO HUMAN has ever gone into deep space, beyond 400-500 miles from Earth.

And when the ignorant twats show up to defend their NAZI masters I have another question for them.

What is the bigger deal here, getting sheeple to believe Jesus walked on water, Man walked on the Moon, or using the MOON to control the weather on Earth?

patri-idiots believe anything Uncle Sam tells em'

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Three words. Again.

Van. Allen. Belt.

Man has never set foot on the moon.

Trust me.
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Oh, never mind. I'm having trouble believing this is someone capable of critiquing the work of actual bona-fide "rocket scientists."
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183

hahaha
and who would that be?

anybody can claim anything on this stupid medium called the internet.
 Quoting: Raphael

That's why we demand evidence.

bona fide rocket scientists?
I thought the NAZI Werner Von Braun was one
 Quoting: Raphael

Londoners will tell you his rockets worked quite well.


and he said it was essentially impossible to fly to the Moon based on what he knew....
 Quoting: Raphael

Why do you lie?

But then his first real job in the USA was hooking up with Walt Disney to make cartoons suggesting it was possible to go the Moon...
 Quoting: Raphael

His first job in the US was designing ballistic missiles for the US Army.

because if we can go the moon, aLIEns and UFOs can fly here...SEEDS need to be planted...for the (first born) generations to come.
 Quoting: Raphael

Wut.

Funny how the ignorant NASA NAZI plebes who show up to defend the honor of NASA are usually silent when discussions veer into rarely discussed associations, like what happens when you detonate bombs in the Van Allen Belts?
 Quoting: Raphael

Since bombs have been detonated in the VABs we know what happens when you do that.
What is the relevance of a DoD experiment to Apollo?

Or why the Van Allen Belts should be renamed after the fella who suggested they were there?
Van Allen only suggested a Geiger counter be put on board the satellite.
 Quoting: Raphael

That's even less relevant.

Or why we cannot get a decent HI-RES image of ROVER sitting on the Moon's surface,
 Quoting: Raphael

Why do you lie?

if the technology to deliver a HI-RES image of an object 3 inches square from 100 miles up has been available since the mid 1960s?????
 Quoting: Raphael

With a spysat class satellite.
What would be the rational to send such a device into lunar orbit?

STFU NASA stooges you are GROUNDED based on facts.
 Quoting: Raphael

Which facts?

Like the fact is that NO HUMAN has ever gone into deep space, beyond 400-500 miles from Earth.
 Quoting: Raphael

What would be the rational for going there?

And when the ignorant twats show up to defend their NAZI masters I have another question for them.

What is the bigger deal here, getting sheeple to believe Jesus walked on water, Man walked on the Moon, or using the MOON to control the weather on Earth?
 Quoting: Raphael

Wut.

patri-idiots believe anything Uncle Sam tells em'
 Quoting: Raphael

Hoaxies believe everything conspiracy mongers tell them.

Simple fact is you make numerous claims not supported by any evidence.

NASA has made a claim supported by a humongous amount of evidence.

End of story.
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Shadow analysis fail.
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Shadow analysis success.

(See how easy and lazy that is to do?)
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The moon landing never happened.
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Oh, never mind. I'm having trouble believing this is someone capable of critiquing the work of actual bona-fide "rocket scientists."
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183

hahaha
and who would that be?

anybody can claim anything on this stupid medium called the internet.
 Quoting: Raphael

That's why we demand evidence.

bona fide rocket scientists?
I thought the NAZI Werner Von Braun was one
 Quoting: Raphael

Londoners will tell you his rockets worked quite well.


and he said it was essentially impossible to fly to the Moon based on what he knew....
 Quoting: Raphael

Why do you lie?

But then his first real job in the USA was hooking up with Walt Disney to make cartoons suggesting it was possible to go the Moon...
 Quoting: Raphael

His first job in the US was designing ballistic missiles for the US Army.

because if we can go the moon, aLIEns and UFOs can fly here...SEEDS need to be planted...for the (first born) generations to come.
 Quoting: Raphael

Wut.

Funny how the ignorant NASA NAZI plebes who show up to defend the honor of NASA are usually silent when discussions veer into rarely discussed associations, like what happens when you detonate bombs in the Van Allen Belts?
 Quoting: Raphael

Since bombs have been detonated in the VABs we know what happens when you do that.
What is the relevance of a DoD experiment to Apollo?

Or why the Van Allen Belts should be renamed after the fella who suggested they were there?
Van Allen only suggested a Geiger counter be put on board the satellite.
 Quoting: Raphael

That's even less relevant.

Or why we cannot get a decent HI-RES image of ROVER sitting on the Moon's surface,
 Quoting: Raphael

Why do you lie?

if the technology to deliver a HI-RES image of an object 3 inches square from 100 miles up has been available since the mid 1960s?????
 Quoting: Raphael

With a spysat class satellite.
What would be the rational to send such a device into lunar orbit?

STFU NASA stooges you are GROUNDED based on facts.
 Quoting: Raphael

Which facts?

Like the fact is that NO HUMAN has ever gone into deep space, beyond 400-500 miles from Earth.
 Quoting: Raphael

What would be the rational for going there?

And when the ignorant twats show up to defend their NAZI masters I have another question for them.

What is the bigger deal here, getting sheeple to believe Jesus walked on water, Man walked on the Moon, or using the MOON to control the weather on Earth?
 Quoting: Raphael

Wut.

patri-idiots believe anything Uncle Sam tells em'
 Quoting: Raphael

Hoaxies believe everything conspiracy mongers tell them.

Simple fact is you make numerous claims not supported by any evidence.

NASA has made a claim supported by a humongous amount of evidence.

End of story.
book
For once come with a fresh argument, you guys are getting boring.
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Point one of those super power telescopes at the moon landing site and show me!
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Point one of those super power telescopes at the moon landing site and show me!
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And just what would you expect to see? Did you know that a telescope on Earth or in Earth orbit would have to be over 200 feet across to even BEGIN to see the artifacts left on the Moon? Try looking up the Dawes limit, educate yourself, and see why your question was crap.
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Point one of those super power telescopes at the moon landing site and show me!
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And just what would you expect to see? Did you know that a telescope on Earth or in Earth orbit would have to be over 200 feet across to even BEGIN to see the artifacts left on the Moon? Try looking up the Dawes limit, educate yourself, and see why your question was crap.
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Educate?? We are talking about Moon-hoax believers here. Ignorance is the basic requirement to be a fully fledged hoaxie. That and the ability to be rude and abusive when confronted with facts.
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Three words. Again.

Van. Allen. Belt.

Man has never set foot on the moon.

Trust me.
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Oh, never mind. I'm having trouble believing this is someone capable of critiquing the work of actual bona-fide "rocket scientists."
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hahaha
and who would that be?

anybody can claim anything on this stupid medium called the internet.

 Quoting: Raphael


I never said "Trust me, I'm a rocket scientist." I have always said "Here is reality to the best of my understanding, here are independent sources where you can read more, here are experiments you can do yourself."

bona fide rocket scientists?
I thought the NAZI Werner Von Braun was one and he said it was essentially impossible to fly to the Moon based on what he knew....
 Quoting: Raphael


No. If you read any biographies, you learn he was always hoping to get to the Moon. He went to the US in part because he thought they had a better chance of letting him build his moon rocket.

You may be remembering -- because the hoax believers love to quote it -- Von Braun's original intent, which was single stage to Moon. Which would have been a huge rocket, probably un-buildable at the time of Apollo.

Not that Von Braun thought even that scheme was impossible.



But then his first real job in the USA was hooking up with Walt Disney to make cartoons suggesting it was possible to go the Moon...because if we can go the moon, aLIEns and UFOs can fly here...SEEDS need to be planted...for the (first born) generations to come.
 Quoting: Raphael


If you say so.



Funny how the ignorant NASA NAZI plebes
 Quoting: Raphael


Another claim without substantiation. Pot, meet kettle.



who show up to defend the honor of NASA are usually silent when discussions veer into rarely discussed associations, like what happens when you detonate bombs in the Van Allen Belts?
 Quoting: Raphael


Says who?

Oddly enough, I was in a completely different discussion last week (about life on Earth ten years after an all-out nuclear war) and I brought up Starfish Prime.

I will admit I rarely follow the hoax believers into their efforts at pop psychology or the fringes of their extended political conspiracies. I follow the science. The rest of it simply doesn't interest me.


Or why the Van Allen Belts should be renamed after the fella who suggested they were there?

Van Allen only suggested a Geiger counter be put on board the satellite.
 Quoting: Raphael


Doctor Van Allen did a great deal more work than that.


Or why we cannot get a decent HI-RES image of ROVER sitting on the Moon's surface, if the technology to deliver a HI-RES image of an object 3 inches square from 100 miles up has been available since the mid 1960s?????
 Quoting: Raphael


You've confused "can't" with "haven't." The performance of a spysat is dependent on the optical chain. Optics don't go through Moore's Law -- the basic principles are the same as they were in 1700. Which means, in short, you need a honking big lens in order to see something with a very small angular diameter, and you need a honking big satellite to put that lens in, and we haven't had a heavy lifter to put such a spacecraft in lunar orbit since Skylab was launched and the Saturn V retired.

But the specifics of your comment intrigue me. "Hi Res" is meaningless in the context of your sentence, so I have to assume what you mean is an optical resolution of 3 inches to the pixel. That is, I believe, within the range of some systems around Earth today. Or at least it is arguable without having to drag in suppositions of hidden super-science!

As a point of reference, the resolution of later satellites in the Corona series (1959 to 1972) was 1.8 METERS per pixel. So, no...the resolution you require was not around in the 60's.

In any case. The Lunar Rover's frame is about 10 feet long. At 3 inches per pixel, it would extend 40 pixels. Take a look at the "Bump" icon that gets posted in these threads. The LRV, in the image you are demanding, would roughly occupy the word "UMP" on that icon.

I fail to see how that would be a compelling proof of anything. Or of any particular scientific interest.


STFU NASA stooges you are GROUNDED based on facts.

Like the fact is that NO HUMAN has ever gone into deep space, beyond 400-500 miles from Earth.
 Quoting: Raphael


It's a well-used factino but not that compelling. It is a bit like claiming a sprinter isn't Olympic class because she doesn't run far enough, or that a cruise liner isn't seaworthy because it often exceeds the docking capability of its ports of call.

What is a more accurate measure is that we haven't boosted humans above orbital velocity since the last Apollo mission. To reach the height and velocity where the Space Shuttle operated is roughly 60% of the total energy costs of getting to the Moon.

Of course, since it is currently impossible for the US to put ANYONE in space, I suppose that Skylab, the ISS, and the Shuttle itself are all a hoax. Because we can't do it now, we obviously never could, right?



And when the ignorant twats show up to defend their NAZI masters I have another question for them.

What is the bigger deal here, getting sheeple to believe Jesus walked on water, Man walked on the Moon, or using the MOON to control the weather on Earth?

patri-idiots believe anything Uncle Sam tells em'

namaste
 Quoting: Raphael


The woo is strong with this one.


I'm not going to even attempt to answer you. Honestly, I don't understand what you are trying to say. It sounds like a very complex theory and you might want to consider spending the time to actually outline it some time so other people can grasp the implications.

I will, however, point to the last part of your post for the benefit of all the conspiracy believers and hoax promoters who constantly claim the moral high ground; that THEY "never insult anyone" that THEY always "carry on a polite argument" and so on and so forth.
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hi all,

just wanna share this new stunning image

Moon as seen from the ISS


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Oh, never mind. I'm having trouble believing this is someone capable of critiquing the work of actual bona-fide "rocket scientists."
 Quoting: nomuse (not logged in) 2380183

hahaha
and who would that be?

anybody can claim anything on this stupid medium called the internet.
 Quoting: Raphael

That's why we demand evidence.

bona fide rocket scientists?
I thought the NAZI Werner Von Braun was one
 Quoting: Raphael

Londoners will tell you his rockets worked quite well.


and he said it was essentially impossible to fly to the Moon based on what he knew....
 Quoting: Raphael

Why do you lie?

But then his first real job in the USA was hooking up with Walt Disney to make cartoons suggesting it was possible to go the Moon...
 Quoting: Raphael

His first job in the US was designing ballistic missiles for the US Army.

because if we can go the moon, aLIEns and UFOs can fly here...SEEDS need to be planted...for the (first born) generations to come.
 Quoting: Raphael

Wut.

Funny how the ignorant NASA NAZI plebes who show up to defend the honor of NASA are usually silent when discussions veer into rarely discussed associations, like what happens when you detonate bombs in the Van Allen Belts?
 Quoting: Raphael

Since bombs have been detonated in the VABs we know what happens when you do that.
What is the relevance of a DoD experiment to Apollo?

Or why the Van Allen Belts should be renamed after the fella who suggested they were there?
Van Allen only suggested a Geiger counter be put on board the satellite.
 Quoting: Raphael

That's even less relevant.

Or why we cannot get a decent HI-RES image of ROVER sitting on the Moon's surface,
 Quoting: Raphael

Why do you lie?

if the technology to deliver a HI-RES image of an object 3 inches square from 100 miles up has been available since the mid 1960s?????
 Quoting: Raphael

With a spysat class satellite.
What would be the rational to send such a device into lunar orbit?

STFU NASA stooges you are GROUNDED based on facts.
 Quoting: Raphael

Which facts?

Like the fact is that NO HUMAN has ever gone into deep space, beyond 400-500 miles from Earth.
 Quoting: Raphael

What would be the rational for going there?

And when the ignorant twats show up to defend their NAZI masters I have another question for them.

What is the bigger deal here, getting sheeple to believe Jesus walked on water, Man walked on the Moon, or using the MOON to control the weather on Earth?
 Quoting: Raphael

Wut.

patri-idiots believe anything Uncle Sam tells em'
 Quoting: Raphael

Hoaxies believe everything conspiracy mongers tell them.

Simple fact is you make numerous claims not supported by any evidence.

NASA has made a claim supported by a humongous amount of evidence.

End of story.
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For once come with a fresh argument, you guys are getting boring.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


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Hal you have to be one the biggest religious fanatics I have ever seen.

Every single time you post, you end it with a magical and vague reference to SCIENCE or EVIDENCE and your holiest of holies NASA Priesthood! Why not just scrawl out runes or sigils? What a joke your posts are.
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What an awesome thread!

Truth and blessings brothers and sisters.

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