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Game Over for NASA Moon-Landing Hoax

 
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for all you tards rolling out that "harrier won't leave a crater" argument. You have never flown a plane or taken a physics class.... that much I can say for sure.

The blast from a Harrier is so powerful that they are forbidden from operating on asphalt. Why? Because it melts that shit and FLINGS MOLTEN TAR AND GRAVEL 100 YARDS IN EVERY DIRECTION. Duh.

Here is a little something to open your mind a little:

[link to msnbcmedia.msn.com]
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That's an amazing picture, thanks for posting it. And yes doesn't it make a point.
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yeah, my pleasure :P

I was an AF pilot selectee and I've studied every unclassified book on Rockets and airplanes, and I have about 300 hours in various planes. I've also designed and built hundreds of flying models of every conceivable type. Like everybody else, I believed in the moon landings until recently.

After 9/11 I began to see that we are told lies SO BIG that to dis-believe them is absurd. But, that doesn't make them true!

There are enough gaffs in the official NASA story, just like the 9/11 story, to make an honest, observant person doubt the story.

Bang, zoom. To dah moon, Alice!

The moon, my ASS!
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yep, game over...


but at this point, the shills' forum tactics are more interesting to me than the nasa hoax itself...

book
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bump
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yep, game over...


but at this point, the shills' forum tactics are more interesting to me than the nasa hoax itself...

book
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It does flush the woodcocks out of the bush... to COIN a phrase.
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I wonder if Hal realises that it was a Historical Fact that the earth was FLAT... lmao
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for all you tards rolling out that "harrier won't leave a crater" argument. You have never flown a plane or taken a physics class.... that much I can say for sure.

The blast from a Harrier is so powerful that they are forbidden from operating on asphalt. Why? Because it melts that shit and FLINGS MOLTEN TAR AND GRAVEL 100 YARDS IN EVERY DIRECTION. Duh.

Here is a little something to open your mind a little:

[link to msnbcmedia.msn.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11796368


That's an amazing picture, thanks for posting it. And yes doesn't it make a point.
 Quoting: ZIPUX


yeah, my pleasure :P

I was an AF pilot selectee and I've studied every unclassified book on Rockets and airplanes, and I have about 300 hours in various planes. I've also designed and built hundreds of flying models of every conceivable type. Like everybody else, I believed in the moon landings until recently.

After 9/11 I began to see that we are told lies SO BIG that to dis-believe them is absurd. But, that doesn't make them true!

There are enough gaffs in the official NASA story, just like the 9/11 story, to make an honest, observant person doubt the story.

Bang, zoom. To dah moon, Alice!

The moon, my ASS!
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No i dont expect to see clean boot prints.. i expect to see SOME boot prints.. jesus tap dancing christ Astro, that ground around the pole is UNDISTURBED..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

Before:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
After:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Yup, no footprints and undisturbed soil.
its not lens flare..
 Quoting: AC

Photo ID please. I have yet to see a photo of the sun taken by Apollo that didn't involve lens flaring, not to mention dramatic over-exposure of the sun.
lets not forget that you do not address the issue of the way the sun should look by evidence of every single photo taken of the sun from the earths orbit..
 Quoting: AC

What "way" should the sun look? You're not even making sense.
Oh really? It will be blasted away altogether?.. then where is the blast mark in the lunar soil beneath the LM?
 Quoting: AC

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
You can clearly see where dust blown away by the LM's descent engine has left radial scouring in the compacted dust below it.
10,000 pounds
 Quoting: AC

Wrong, for reasons already explained.
if that is strong enough to wipe clean all traces of dust
 Quoting: AC

Never said that. I said it would be blasted away, as in away from the LM. There's no atmosphere, it won't billow, it will simply follow a ballistic trajectory.
why is the LM sitting nicely on this spongy soft soil without making a dent at all
 Quoting: AC

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
More of the radial blast pattern is visible, as is the gouge left in the surface by one of the footpad probes.
Hmm you seem to forget something here Astro, the kaguya flight went OVER the same area as apollo landing sites.. so yes dear, the earth would not be high above the astronauts, it would remain low in the lunar sky..
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The supreme ignorance you demonstrate here is second to none. Kaguya orbited over the entire moon, it was in a polar orbit. At some point, yes it was over the apollo landing sites. Newsflash, it didn't orbit specifically over those sites, nor was it over those sites when it witnessed earthrise. In order for the earth to be that low in the lunar sky the observer has to be at the lunar limb from the perspective of a person on earth. No Apollo mission landed on the limb of the moon from the earth's perspective. In fact, the earth's position in the sky was just fine.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
seriously i expected more from you
 Quoting: AC

Sadly, this is about what I expected from you.

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...

Are you sure it wasn't a "frog"?
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

,,ARE YOU??
 Quoting: Swedish Coward 6028794

I'm pretty sure it was a catadioptric effect.
It moves in perfect sync with Aldrin hopping around, diametrically opposite of the centre of the image from a higlight on his shoulder.

...

Which are that the belts are not an insurmountable obstacle.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Get informed !!
 Quoting: Swedish Coward 6028794

I was.

Have you been informed that private companies operate billions worth of hardware in the belts?
Their bottom-lines depend of having the correct numbers.
Face it, EVERY EXPERT in the world disagrees with you.

...

That's a rather infantile and short-sighted assessment of the facts.
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

there more to my answer, but I am not interested in convincing brainwashed knowitallers
 Quoting: Swedish Coward 6028794

You are not going to convince me, or anyone rational and informed, because YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE.

The hoaxies mantra: I know nuthin'! Therefore I'm right!
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Get real,
and btw , where is your definte proof that we really landed a man on the moon ?? can you show me any hard evidence that would hold up in a court ?

 Quoting: Swedish Coward 6028794

Why am I not surprised you have to ask?
Like all hoaxies you got your opinion spoon-fed to you by conspiracists sites.
No independent unbiased investigation whatsoever.

The Moonlandings are considered historical fact by everybody who's actually knowledgeable about them.
They consider the data convincing beyond any reasonable doubt.

No some some johnny-come-lately shows up and accuses a very large number of people of misconduct.
That, buddy, puts the burden of proof ON YOU.

Decent people do NOT go around accusing people without backing it up with solid evidence.


please just dont tell NASA told us so and we seen the pix ;)
,,,I mean thats the typical answers from the "knowitallers"

 Quoting: Swedish Coward 6028794

Maybe in your fevered imagination.

Have you READ this thread?
book
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I'm sure Hollander could give you the best evidence he's got - A moon rock
 Quoting: Whoami

Incorrect.

given to the Dutch prime minister
 Quoting: Whoami

Incorrect.

by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969
 Quoting: Whoami

Incorrect.

from Amsterdam's Rijksmuseum,
 Quoting: Whoami

Incorrect.

where the rock has attracted tens of thousands of visitors each year,
 Quoting: Whoami

Incorrect.

where curators discovered that the "lunar rock", valued at £308,000, was in fact petrified wood.
 Quoting: Whoami

Incorrect.

Fact checking. Learn it.
Don't just repeat what some other hoaxie told you. They are invariably mistaken.

A rock was given by the US ambassador to a private citizen.
(Allegedly. Even this can not be conclusively shown from the historical records.)
The Drees Estate owns it.
It wasn't the rock that attracted the visitors, it was part of a much larger art exhibit.
It were not the curators that found out the mistake. It's after all an arts, crafts, and history museum.
It was the very first scientist that looked at it.

The simple fact that NONE of the 50 odd heads of state/government that Apollo 11 World Tour met got anything from the Moon should clue you in that this is just some silly comedy of errors.
Even the US State Department couldn't be so clueless to not understand that doing something like that would have been an immense diplomatic faux pas.

I'm positive this would be one of the best proof. beer2
 Quoting: Whoami

And yet another hoaxie who couldn't be bothered to actually look at it.

Now who are the know-it-alls in this little internet psychodrama.
Those that made up their minds before or after looking at all the available evidence?
Or often, not looking at all.
book
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Hydrazine & Nitrogen Tetroxide

Here are two images of a Reaction Control System thruster firing on the space shuttle, taken from Joseph P. Allen's book Entering Space.

The fuel used is hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide. Yes it is visible.

The same fuel used by the Apollo 17 ascent module in this picture.
 Quoting: ZIPUX

Incorrect.
One formulation of hydrazine is not the other.
Aerozine 50 (Apollo APS) and MMH (STS RCS) are similar, nor identical.
Details matter.

Here is an official NASA drawing of the said event, please do compare them, the difference is mind boggling.
[link to science.ksc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: ZIPUX

Comparing an artist's impression with reality?
Clutching at straws are we?.

Now I am pretty sure many here are familiar with many NASA videos of LM landings and ascents, I have never seen any evidence of the burning of hydrazine and nitrogen tetroxide, EVER.

What can one conclude from this?

It was a total fake.
 Quoting: ZIPUX

Every rocket scientists will tell you that the propellants used for the LM Ascend Stage won't show a flame in vacuum.
So what's your problem?
book
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Have anyone else noticed something about this poster here?

Whenever the thread seems to get 'sane' and settle into a general consensus of clearly discussed issues, and we start to agree with each other that the NASA myth is very questionable, this guy...makes his posts extraordinarily long, repeating the process over and over, to bury all and any sane threads back far enough, so that anyone jumping in here will see all his banal, most idiotic remarks, making the thread appear as if it's fool of 'kooks'.

Visitors here unknowingly realising that this guy is the actual 'kook'.

shill
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Has anyone else noticed something about the hoax-believers here?

Whenever a debunker comes in, and carefully takes apart a hoax-belief with evidence, that almost universally his points are summarily ignored and he is attacked in the next post with an ad hominem?
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Quick, call in the reinforcements!

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No i dont expect to see clean boot prints.. i expect to see SOME boot prints.. jesus tap dancing christ Astro, that ground around the pole is UNDISTURBED..
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Before:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
After:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Yup, no footprints and undisturbed soil.
 Quoting: Astromut


You cant take a totally different photo and use it to argue against what we are seeing in the photo in question.. and you expect to be taken seriously?

this is the photo in question:

[link to www.rense.com]

Look at it.. and explain how they erected that pole without facing it or coming closer to it..

The ground around the pole is undisturbed.. and the boot prints do not face the pole..

Explain to us USING THE SAME PHOTO how this is achieved..
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That's funny. I see the other one helping him up and the one trying to get up with his left arm on the other.
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The above is a perfect example of the lack of intellectual honesty exhibited by the defenders.

It reminds me of when I moved into my first apartment in Brooklyn. There was a crazy gas leak, you could smell it everywhere. I called my landlord and he came over, he sniffed the air and said, "What are you talking about? I don't smell anything."

At that point he lost all credibility. He was basically just a sleaze.

An honest person watching this video would say, "Hm, that does look pretty odd. Perhaps there's a rational explanation considering they are allegedly on the moon, but I admit it certainly does LOOK like he is being assisted by a wire."

That is my exact thought, and the thought of many many others. I'm not an expert on physics, so I don't presume to make any bold statements of fact on the physics-related subjects. But when people like the guy above pretend that the video looks totally normal, all it really does is ruin your credibility as an honest person.
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I honestly do NOT think it even looks like he is being assisted with a wire. You can see the other one helping him. You can see the one trying to get up put his hand on the other's arm. Why would a wire be needed?

If there were wires why would he have fallen in the first place?
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Astro, as to the foot prints by the flag; you have posted a DIFFERENT picture than the one posted to raise the question.

The question is: Why does there exist a picture with no footprints near enough to the pole? The one you post avoids the question.

If there is a picture with no prints, THAT is the picture that needs to be explained.

You can't explain a certain picture by posting a different picture taken at a different time from a different location.

You are really really REALLY giving away your employer here.
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No i dont expect to see clean boot prints.. i expect to see SOME boot prints.. jesus tap dancing christ Astro, that ground around the pole is UNDISTURBED..
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Before:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
After:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Yup, no footprints and undisturbed soil.
its not lens flare..
 Quoting: AC

Photo ID please. I have yet to see a photo of the sun taken by Apollo that didn't involve lens flaring, not to mention dramatic over-exposure of the sun.
lets not forget that you do not address the issue of the way the sun should look by evidence of every single photo taken of the sun from the earths orbit..
 Quoting: AC

What "way" should the sun look? You're not even making sense.
Oh really? It will be blasted away altogether?.. then where is the blast mark in the lunar soil beneath the LM?
 Quoting: AC

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
You can clearly see where dust blown away by the LM's descent engine has left radial scouring in the compacted dust below it.
10,000 pounds
 Quoting: AC

Wrong, for reasons already explained.
if that is strong enough to wipe clean all traces of dust
 Quoting: AC

Never said that. I said it would be blasted away, as in away from the LM. There's no atmosphere, it won't billow, it will simply follow a ballistic trajectory.
why is the LM sitting nicely on this spongy soft soil without making a dent at all
 Quoting: AC

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
More of the radial blast pattern is visible, as is the gouge left in the surface by one of the footpad probes.
Hmm you seem to forget something here Astro, the kaguya flight went OVER the same area as apollo landing sites.. so yes dear, the earth would not be high above the astronauts, it would remain low in the lunar sky..
 Quoting: AC

The supreme ignorance you demonstrate here is second to none. Kaguya orbited over the entire moon, it was in a polar orbit. At some point, yes it was over the apollo landing sites. Newsflash, it didn't orbit specifically over those sites, nor was it over those sites when it witnessed earthrise. In order for the earth to be that low in the lunar sky the observer has to be at the lunar limb from the perspective of a person on earth. No Apollo mission landed on the limb of the moon from the earth's perspective. In fact, the earth's position in the sky was just fine.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
seriously i expected more from you
 Quoting: AC

Sadly, this is about what I expected from you.
 Quoting: Astromut


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I look in on GLP from time to time to see whether the psychos have come up with any new delusions. They never do...but they never drop any of the old ones either.
 Quoting: Dr P 11919896

Hi, Doc.
You might also notice that Nibiru is still coming.

Any decade now...

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There is something else I havent heard anyone explain... the issue of the dust upon landing..
 Quoting: Australian Coward 11802684

Pay attention.

And again, nobody owns you an explanation.
YOU accuse people, then YOU provide the evidence.

"I don't understand" is NOT evidence.

I wonder if Hal realises that it was a Historical Fact that the earth was FLAT... lmao
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

No.

It is an Historical Fact that once upon a time many people thought the world was flat, if they thought about it at all.
It is a Current Fact that every polled person knowledgable of the record and relevant domains considers Apollo landing humans on the Moon an Historical fact.

Also, semantic arguments do not constitute evidence.

You want to proof Napoleon was 6 feet tall, I mean, Apollo was hoaxed?
Then you will have to provide evidence that actually proofs it.

So far you have only provided evidence of a very confused understanding of how the physical world works.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6028794

That's funny. I see the other one helping him up and the one trying to get up with his left arm on the other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639

The above is a perfect example of the lack of intellectual honesty exhibited by the defenders.
 Quoting: BrandonD

Nope.

We know what the video shows.
Hoaxies otoh only "know" the fairy tale version concocted by David Percy, whispered into your ears in a seductive British accent.
And then they have the audacity to accuse people who disagree with them of being gullible.

You been lead around by the nose by professional and amateur bullshit artists and didn't even notice it.
Black sheeple are still sheeple, you know?

Bah... Bah...

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So, if the LM weighed 2500lb on the moon, at touchdown, the rocket nozzle would exert a force of? 2500lb!

Consider the approximate nozzle width of maybe .4 meters. Now consider the lunar dust that is "a few" inches deep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11796368

The nozzle didn't touch the ground.

Why,when you look at all of the pictures of the LM on the moon, is there no apparent gradient of lunar dust blown out in a circle, with hardpan in the middle and rays out from the center?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11796368

Why do you pretend to have looked at all the pertinent photographs?

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Anyone with a sane mind, can see that guy was on a wire. Do we need anymore evidence at all in fact?
 Quoting: ZIPPY

And THIS is know as cognitive bias.

You see what you want to see. Not what is there.

There is no wire visible.
What is visible is a physical manoeuvre that would be pretty much impossible on Earth.
(Prolly even with wires. And don't tell me you also an expert on wire rigging.)
In fact, it is just more evidence for Apollo.

book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Have anyone else noticed something about this poster here?

Whenever the thread seems to get 'sane' and settle into a general consensus of clearly discussed issues, and we start to agree with each other that the NASA myth is very questionable, this guy...makes his posts extraordinarily long, repeating the process over and over, to bury all and any sane threads back far enough, so that anyone jumping in here will see all his banal, most idiotic remarks, making the thread appear as if it's fool of 'kooks'.

Visitors here unknowingly realising that this guy is the actual 'kook'.

shill
 Quoting: ZIPUX

IOW, you couldn't formulate a response to my rebuttals, so you just dragged out that old standby the shill gambit.

Lazy, lame, dishonest.

Ignoring my rebuttals won't make them go away.
Either you respond like a rational person with facts and arguments, or you forfeit.

Each and every time you call someone a shill you expose the emptiness of your conviction, and the dearth of your evidence.

Stop being a loser.

AstoNut, said it was lens flare....sheesh, the guy must think we're all idiots.The thing he doesn't get, is that we are not fools, and wont be dismissed from class so easily as he would like.
 Quoting: ZIPPY

Without a sworn affidavit by a photographic expert your opinion that it isn't a lens flare is just that, an uneducated opinion.

A very far cry from anything resembling evidence.

I think it is time to stamp down on this guy HARD, and keep on pushing for intelligent, respectful and honest answers to questions raised, rather than his usual, "I already explained that a million times", etc.

'nomuse' has already proved to be what he his here, and let him show up here again, and try his tactics to dismiss what he has attempted again, and he will get a sharp short thrift as he experienced earlier. AstroNut should be dealt with properly here too.
 Quoting: ZIPPY

IOW, you want to gather followers and start a witch hunt.
You're a fucking politician, not a truth seeker.

IF you think people make incorrect statements PROOF that these statements are incorrect.
With FACTS and EVIDENCE.
Each and every time you personally attack the people who happen to disagree with you, you unmistakeably and undeniably demonstrate that you DO NOT HAVE facts and evidence.

Stop being a loser.
book

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That's funny. I see the other one helping him up and the one trying to get up with his left arm on the other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


The above is a perfect example of the lack of intellectual honesty exhibited by the defenders.

It reminds me of when I moved into my first apartment in Brooklyn. There was a crazy gas leak, you could smell it everywhere. I called my landlord and he came over, he sniffed the air and said, "What are you talking about? I don't smell anything."

At that point he lost all credibility. He was basically just a sleaze.

An honest person watching this video would say, "Hm, that does look pretty odd. Perhaps there's a rational explanation considering they are allegedly on the moon, but I admit it certainly does LOOK like he is being assisted by a wire."

That is my exact thought, and the thought of many many others. I'm not an expert on physics, so I don't presume to make any bold statements of fact on the physics-related subjects. But when people like the guy above pretend that the video looks totally normal, all it really does is ruin your credibility as an honest person.
 Quoting: BrandonD


I honestly do NOT think it even looks like he is being assisted with a wire. You can see the other one helping him. You can see the one trying to get up put his hand on the other's arm. Why would a wire be needed?

If there were wires why would he have fallen in the first place?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHH!H!H!H!H!H!HAHAH!H!H!H

You are saying that you watched that vid and you did not see the astronaut's center of gravity absolutely defy the laws of physics? He is pulled up and backwards for fuxake.

How can you even say that it doesn't look weird?

The guy in charge of the trapeez - called the "ground rigger" probably got out of sync with the astromut when he fell.
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Ok time for a summary since even i am getting lost in all the posts lmao..

1. photo of pole with no footprints close enough to actually have placed said pole into ground.. nor any bootprints to indicate they were even facing the pole should we give the benefit of the doubt they they had an arm span of 2 or 3 feet.. so pole inserted into ground from 3 foot and side on with one hand... credible?..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

3 feet? the footprints looked closer than that and you couldn't see them all because it was a close up. How do you know for sure some weren't obscurred?

2. the images of the sun. there is no atmosphere on the moon so the immages of the sun should not have a halo, nor should they look like they were taken on the earth

Sun halo: a. A circular band of colored light around a light source, as around the sun or moon, caused by the refraction and reflection of light by ice particles suspended in the intervening atmosphere

How can we have a halo around the sun when there is no atmosphere on the moon ?
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Can you have dust on the lens?
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its not lens flare..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

Photo ID please. I have yet to see a photo of the sun taken by Apollo that didn't involve lens flaring, not to mention dramatic over-exposure of the sun.
lets not forget that you do not address the issue of the way the sun should look by evidence of every single photo taken of the sun from the earths orbit..
 Quoting: AC

What "way" should the sun look? You're not even making sense.
 Quoting: Astromut


Seriously and you call yourself an astronomer? this is how it should look..

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]

oh and btw that photo gives you the answer to "i have yet to see a photo of the sun taken by apollow that didnt involve dramatic over exposure of the sun... there it is for you..

Btw.. over exposure.. those pictures exposures were perfect.. a miracle most proffessional photographers couldnt probably achieve let alone astronauts with only a dozen hours of training with them...

here are some more sun pictures taken in zero atmosphere of what the sun looks like when taken with a camera..

[link to www.lovethesepics.com]

[link to farm3.staticflickr.com]

and this is what the sun reflecting off an astronauts helmet should look like

[link to www.burlingtonderailed.com]
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Ok time for a summary since even i am getting lost in all the posts lmao..

1. photo of pole with no footprints close enough to actually have placed said pole into ground.. nor any bootprints to indicate they were even facing the pole should we give the benefit of the doubt they they had an arm span of 2 or 3 feet.. so pole inserted into ground from 3 foot and side on with one hand... credible?..
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3 feet? the footprints looked closer than that and you couldn't see them all because it was a close up. How do you know for sure some weren't obscurred?

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Now that I've seen the pic has been reposted, they are definitely closer than 3 feet and there are 2-3 footprints in the lower right, facing the pole that have been partially obscurred.
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I look in on GLP from time to time to see whether the psychos have come up with any new delusions. They never do...but they never drop any of the old ones either.
 Quoting: Dr P 11919896

Hi, Doc.
You might also notice that Nibiru is still coming.

Any decade now...

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There is something else I havent heard anyone explain... the issue of the dust upon landing..
 Quoting: Australian Coward 11802684

Pay attention.

And again, nobody owns you an explanation.
YOU accuse people, then YOU provide the evidence.

"I don't understand" is NOT evidence.

I wonder if Hal realises that it was a Historical Fact that the earth was FLAT... lmao
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

No.

It is an Historical Fact that once upon a time many people thought the world was flat, if they thought about it at all.
It is a Current Fact that every polled person knowledgable of the record and relevant domains considers Apollo landing humans on the Moon an Historical fact.

Also, semantic arguments do not constitute evidence.

You want to proof Napoleon wass 6 feet tall, I mean, Apollo was hoaxed? Then you will have to provide evidence that actually proofs it.

So far you have only provided evidence of a very confused understanding of how the physical world works.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6028794

That's funny. I see the other one helping him up and the one trying to get up with his left arm on the other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639

The above is a perfect example of the lack of intellectual honesty exhibited by the defenders.
 Quoting: BrandonD

Nope.

We know what the video shows.
Hoaxies otoh only "know" the fairy tale version concocted by David Percy, whispered into your ears in a seductive British accent.
And then they have the audacity to accuse people who disagree with them of being gullible.

You been lead around by the nose by professional and amateur bullshit artists and didn't even notice it.
Black sheeple are still sheeple, you know?

Bah... Bah...

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So, if the LM weighed 2500lb on the moon, at touchdown, the rocket nozzle would exert a force of? 2500lb!

Consider the approximate nozzle width of maybe .4 meters. Now consider the lunar dust that is "a few" inches deep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11796368

The nozzle didn't touch the ground.

Why,when you look at all of the pictures of the LM on the moon, is there no apparent gradient of lunar dust blown out in a circle, with hardpan in the middle and rays out from the center?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11796368

Why do you pretend to have looked at all the pertinent photographs?

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Anyone with a sane mind, can see that guy was on a wire. Do we need anymore evidence at all in fact?
 Quoting: ZIPPY

And THIS is know as cognitive bias.

You see what you want to see. Not what is there.

There is no wire visible.
What is visible is a physical manoeuvre that would be pretty much impossible on Earth.
(Prolly even with wires. And don't tell me you also an expert on wire rigging.)
In fact, it is just more evidence for Apollo.

book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Have anyone else noticed something about this poster here?

Whenever the thread seems to get 'sane' and settle into a general consensus of clearly discussed issues, and we start to agree with each other that the NASA myth is very questionable, this guy...makes his posts extraordinarily long, repeating the process over and over, to bury all and any sane threads back far enough, so that anyone jumping in here will see all his banal, most idiotic remarks, making the thread appear as if it's fool of 'kooks'.

Visitors here unknowingly realising that this guy is the actual 'kook'.

shill
 Quoting: ZIPUX

IOW, you couldn't formulate a response to my rebuttals, so you just dragged out that old standby the shill gambit.

Lazy, lame, dishonest.

Ignoring my rebuttals won't make them go away.
Either you respond like a rational person with facts and arguments, or you forfeit.

Each and every time you call someone a shill you expose the emptiness of your conviction, and the dearth of your evidence.

Stop being a loser.

AstoNut, said it was lens flare....sheesh, the guy must think we're all idiots.The thing he doesn't get, is that we are not fools, and wont be dismissed from class so easily as he would like.
 Quoting: ZIPPY

Without a sworn affidavit by a photographic expert your opinion that it isn't a lens flare is just that, an uneducated opinion.

A very far cry from anything resembling evidence.

I think it is time to stamp down on this guy HARD, and keep on pushing for intelligent, respectful and honest answers to questions raised, rather than his usual, "I already explained that a million times", etc.

'nomuse' has already proved to be what he his here, and let him show up here again, and try his tactics to dismiss what he has attempted again, and he will get a sharp short thrift as he experienced earlier. AstroNut should be dealt with properly here too.
 Quoting: ZIPPY

IOW, you want to gather followers and start a witch hunt.
You're a fucking politician, not a truth seeker.

IF you think people make incorrect statements PROOF that these statements are incorrect.
With FACTS and EVIDENCE.
Each and every time you personally attack the people who happen to disagree with you, you unmistakeably and undeniably demonstrate that you DO NOT HAVE facts and evidence.

Stop being a loser.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Have anyone else noticed something about this poster here?

Whenever the thread seems to get 'sane' and settle into a general consensus of clearly discussed issues, and we start to agree with each other that the NASA myth is very questionable, this guy...makes his posts extraordinarily long, repeating the process over and over, to bury all and any sane threads back far enough, so that anyone jumping in here will see all his banal, most idiotic remarks, making the thread appear as if it's full of 'kooks'.

Visitors here unknowingly realising that this guy is the actual 'kook'.

See he's at it again.
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Ok time for a summary since even i am getting lost in all the posts lmao..

1. photo of pole with no footprints close enough to actually have placed said pole into ground.. nor any bootprints to indicate they were even facing the pole should we give the benefit of the doubt they they had an arm span of 2 or 3 feet.. so pole inserted into ground from 3 foot and side on with one hand... credible?..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

3 feet? the footprints looked closer than that and you couldn't see them all because it was a close up. How do you know for sure some weren't obscurred?

2. the images of the sun. there is no atmosphere on the moon so the immages of the sun should not have a halo, nor should they look like they were taken on the earth

Sun halo: a. A circular band of colored light around a light source, as around the sun or moon, caused by the refraction and reflection of light by ice particles suspended in the intervening atmosphere

How can we have a halo around the sun when there is no atmosphere on the moon ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

Can you have dust on the lens?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


A close up?.. i dont want to assume anything so what do you mean by close up? zoomed in?.. wrong.. try again.. standing close?.. wrong.. try again..

Dust on the lens.. no.. no wind, no way to put dust on the lens.. and if there was.. it would be evident in the subsequent photos because they wouldnt of known the dust was there, so at the very least, a half dozen shots either side of this one would show the same effect.. and it doesnt..
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That's funny. I see the other one helping him up and the one trying to get up with his left arm on the other.
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The above is a perfect example of the lack of intellectual honesty exhibited by the defenders.

It reminds me of when I moved into my first apartment in Brooklyn. There was a crazy gas leak, you could smell it everywhere. I called my landlord and he came over, he sniffed the air and said, "What are you talking about? I don't smell anything."

At that point he lost all credibility. He was basically just a sleaze.

An honest person watching this video would say, "Hm, that does look pretty odd. Perhaps there's a rational explanation considering they are allegedly on the moon, but I admit it certainly does LOOK like he is being assisted by a wire."

That is my exact thought, and the thought of many many others. I'm not an expert on physics, so I don't presume to make any bold statements of fact on the physics-related subjects. But when people like the guy above pretend that the video looks totally normal, all it really does is ruin your credibility as an honest person.
 Quoting: BrandonD


I honestly do NOT think it even looks like he is being assisted with a wire. You can see the other one helping him. You can see the one trying to get up put his hand on the other's arm. Why would a wire be needed?

If there were wires why would he have fallen in the first place?
scratching
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHH!H!H!H!H!H!HAHAH!H!H!H

You are saying that you watched that vid and you did not see the astronaut's center of gravity absolutely defy the laws of physics? He is pulled up and backwards for fuxake.

How can you even say that it doesn't look weird?

The guy in charge of the trapeez - called the "ground rigger" probably got out of sync with the astromut when he fell.
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Nope, watched it again and his center of gravity is at all times between his feet on the ground and his left arm which is holding onto the other astronaut.
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03/04/2012 10:54 PM
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and this is what the sun reflecting off an astronauts helmet should look like

[link to www.burlingtonderailed.com]
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When the visor is perfectly clean and the camera has specific settings.

How about when the visor gets dusty and scratched? And you use a different camera with different light settings? Don't you think that might affect it some?
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03/04/2012 10:57 PM
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holy shit. This Halcyon guy is doing the same thing that Mut does. You post a pic and say "where is ABC and how come XYZ?"

and they post completely different pic and say, well "XYZ doesn't look funky in THIS one!"

IT'S A DIFFERENT PIC, ASSHAT!

classic defection. "here is an example that does not exhibit the anomaly you identified, therefore, you are AN INSANE CRAZY PERSON!!!"

I sort of decided not to spend a lot of time here, but somebody with the training to see through the BULLMESS should hang around and at least make the "usefull idiots" earn their 3 cents per post. Or is that the Chinese rate? I bet Patrick pays more :P. Yes, Patrick AFB.

Tards.
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Ok time for a summary since even i am getting lost in all the posts lmao..

1. photo of pole with no footprints close enough to actually have placed said pole into ground.. nor any bootprints to indicate they were even facing the pole should we give the benefit of the doubt they they had an arm span of 2 or 3 feet.. so pole inserted into ground from 3 foot and side on with one hand... credible?..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

3 feet? the footprints looked closer than that and you couldn't see them all because it was a close up. How do you know for sure some weren't obscurred?

2. the images of the sun. there is no atmosphere on the moon so the immages of the sun should not have a halo, nor should they look like they were taken on the earth

Sun halo: a. A circular band of colored light around a light source, as around the sun or moon, caused by the refraction and reflection of light by ice particles suspended in the intervening atmosphere

How can we have a halo around the sun when there is no atmosphere on the moon ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

Can you have dust on the lens?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


A close up?.. i dont want to assume anything so what do you mean by close up? zoomed in?.. wrong.. try again.. standing close?.. wrong.. try again..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

I explained it twice before. The camera is closer to the area being photographed. Either that or Rense has cropped it. Why can't you show the original?


Dust on the lens.. no.. no wind, no way to put dust on the lens.. and if there was.. it would be evident in the subsequent photos because they wouldnt of known the dust was there, so at the very least, a half dozen shots either side of this one would show the same effect.. and it doesnt..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

Prove it. Show the half dozen either side that don't show this.
You think wind is the only way to get the lens dusty? Really? That hilarious!
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and this is what the sun reflecting off an astronauts helmet should look like

[link to www.burlingtonderailed.com]
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When the visor is perfectly clean and the camera has specific settings.

How about when the visor gets dusty and scratched? And you use a different camera with different light settings? Don't you think that might affect it some?
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how does a visor on the moon get dusty?
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and this is what the sun reflecting off an astronauts helmet should look like

[link to www.burlingtonderailed.com]
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When the visor is perfectly clean and the camera has specific settings.

How about when the visor gets dusty and scratched? And you use a different camera with different light settings? Don't you think that might affect it some?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


how does a visor on the moon get dusty?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684


They fell a few times. They had dust on their gloves and touched it. You really couldn't figure that out?
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Here's another thing to ponder: Static charge.

uh oh.... where is he going with this?

Well, the moon is dead dry, right? No moisture? The surface, we are told, is comprised mostly of alumina, silica and basalt nanopowder.

The lander is metal and just came through some of the most ridiculous electromagnetic charges in the accessible universe.

I'd be willing to bet that you could find another prima facia BALD FACED LIE by researching what the interaction between the lunar dust and the spacecraft should be. Probably not what we see in the pictures.

Just sayin.
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The above is a perfect example of the lack of intellectual honesty exhibited by the defenders.

It reminds me of when I moved into my first apartment in Brooklyn. There was a crazy gas leak, you could smell it everywhere. I called my landlord and he came over, he sniffed the air and said, "What are you talking about? I don't smell anything."

At that point he lost all credibility. He was basically just a sleaze.

An honest person watching this video would say, "Hm, that does look pretty odd. Perhaps there's a rational explanation considering they are allegedly on the moon, but I admit it certainly does LOOK like he is being assisted by a wire."

That is my exact thought, and the thought of many many others. I'm not an expert on physics, so I don't presume to make any bold statements of fact on the physics-related subjects. But when people like the guy above pretend that the video looks totally normal, all it really does is ruin your credibility as an honest person.
 Quoting: BrandonD


I honestly do NOT think it even looks like he is being assisted with a wire. You can see the other one helping him. You can see the one trying to get up put his hand on the other's arm. Why would a wire be needed?

If there were wires why would he have fallen in the first place?
scratching
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHHAHAHAHH!H!H!H!H!H!HAHAH!H!H!H

You are saying that you watched that vid and you did not see the astronaut's center of gravity absolutely defy the laws of physics? He is pulled up and backwards for fuxake.

How can you even say that it doesn't look weird?

The guy in charge of the trapeez - called the "ground rigger" probably got out of sync with the astromut when he fell.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11796368


Nope, watched it again and his center of gravity is at all times between his feet on the ground and his left arm which is holding onto the other astronaut.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639


It would be smarter for you to ignore the video and move onto another angle.

Any honest person who watches that is going to see how ridiculous it is.
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I look in on GLP from time to time to see whether the psychos have come up with any new delusions. They never do...but they never drop any of the old ones either.
 Quoting: Dr P 11919896

Hi, Doc.
You might also notice that Nibiru is still coming.

Any decade now...

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There is something else I havent heard anyone explain... the issue of the dust upon landing..
 Quoting: Australian Coward 11802684

Pay attention.

And again, nobody owns you an explanation.
YOU accuse people, then YOU provide the evidence.

"I don't understand" is NOT evidence.

I wonder if Hal realises that it was a Historical Fact that the earth was FLAT... lmao
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11802684

No.

It is an Historical Fact that once upon a time many people thought the world was flat, if they thought about it at all.
It is a Current Fact that every polled person knowledgable of the record and relevant domains considers Apollo landing humans on the Moon an Historical fact.

Also, semantic arguments do not constitute evidence.

You want to proof Napoleon wass 6 feet tall, I mean, Apollo was hoaxed? Then you will have to provide evidence that actually proofs it.

So far you have only provided evidence of a very confused understanding of how the physical world works.

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That's funny. I see the other one helping him up and the one trying to get up with his left arm on the other.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11398639

The above is a perfect example of the lack of intellectual honesty exhibited by the defenders.
 Quoting: BrandonD

Nope.

We know what the video shows.
Hoaxies otoh only "know" the fairy tale version concocted by David Percy, whispered into your ears in a seductive British accent.
And then they have the audacity to accuse people who disagree with them of being gullible.

You been lead around by the nose by professional and amateur bullshit artists and didn't even notice it.
Black sheeple are still sheeple, you know?

Bah... Bah...

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So, if the LM weighed 2500lb on the moon, at touchdown, the rocket nozzle would exert a force of? 2500lb!

Consider the approximate nozzle width of maybe .4 meters. Now consider the lunar dust that is "a few" inches deep.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11796368

The nozzle didn't touch the ground.

Why,when you look at all of the pictures of the LM on the moon, is there no apparent gradient of lunar dust blown out in a circle, with hardpan in the middle and rays out from the center?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11796368

Why do you pretend to have looked at all the pertinent photographs?

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Anyone with a sane mind, can see that guy was on a wire. Do we need anymore evidence at all in fact?
 Quoting: ZIPPY

And THIS is know as cognitive bias.

You see what you want to see. Not what is there.

There is no wire visible.
What is visible is a physical manoeuvre that would be pretty much impossible on Earth.
(Prolly even with wires. And don't tell me you also an expert on wire rigging.)
In fact, it is just more evidence for Apollo.

book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

Have anyone else noticed something about this poster here?

Whenever the thread seems to get 'sane' and settle into a general consensus of clearly discussed issues, and we start to agree with each other that the NASA myth is very questionable, this guy...makes his posts extraordinarily long, repeating the process over and over, to bury all and any sane threads back far enough, so that anyone jumping in here will see all his banal, most idiotic remarks, making the thread appear as if it's fool of 'kooks'.

Visitors here unknowingly realising that this guy is the actual 'kook'.

shill
 Quoting: ZIPUX

IOW, you couldn't formulate a response to my rebuttals, so you just dragged out that old standby the shill gambit.

Lazy, lame, dishonest.

Ignoring my rebuttals won't make them go away.
Either you respond like a rational person with facts and arguments, or you forfeit.

Each and every time you call someone a shill you expose the emptiness of your conviction, and the dearth of your evidence.

Stop being a loser.

AstoNut, said it was lens flare....sheesh, the guy must think we're all idiots.The thing he doesn't get, is that we are not fools, and wont be dismissed from class so easily as he would like.
 Quoting: ZIPPY

Without a sworn affidavit by a photographic expert your opinion that it isn't a lens flare is just that, an uneducated opinion.

A very far cry from anything resembling evidence.

I think it is time to stamp down on this guy HARD, and keep on pushing for intelligent, respectful and honest answers to questions raised, rather than his usual, "I already explained that a million times", etc.

'nomuse' has already proved to be what he his here, and let him show up here again, and try his tactics to dismiss what he has attempted again, and he will get a sharp short thrift as he experienced earlier. AstroNut should be dealt with properly here too.
 Quoting: ZIPPY

IOW, you want to gather followers and start a witch hunt.
You're a fucking politician, not a truth seeker.

IF you think people make incorrect statements PROOF that these statements are incorrect.
With FACTS and EVIDENCE.
Each and every time you personally attack the people who happen to disagree with you, you unmistakeably and undeniably demonstrate that you DO NOT HAVE facts and evidence.

Stop being a loser.
book
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Have anyone else noticed something about this poster here?

Whenever the thread seems to get 'sane' and settle into a general consensus of clearly discussed issues, and we start to agree with each other that the NASA myth is very questionable, this guy...makes his posts extraordinarily long, repeating the process over and over, to bury all and any sane threads back far enough, so that anyone jumping in here will see all his banal, most idiotic remarks, making the thread appear as if it's full of 'kooks'.


Visitors here unknowingly realising that this guy is the actual 'kook'.

See he's at it again.
 Quoting: ZIPUX



Good point.
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No i dont expect to see clean boot prints.. i expect to see SOME boot prints.. jesus tap dancing christ Astro, that ground around the pole is UNDISTURBED..
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Before:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
After:
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Yup, no footprints and undisturbed soil.
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You cant take a totally different photo and use it to argue against what we are seeing in the photo in question.. and you expect to be taken seriously?

this is the photo in question:

[link to www.rense.com]

Look at it.. and explain how they erected that pole without facing it or coming closer to it..

The ground around the pole is undisturbed.. and the boot prints do not face the pole..

Explain to us USING THE SAME PHOTO how this is achieved..
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just had to repost it as it shows up the fraudulent nature of these posters..
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btw.. can you stop requoting Hals epic posts.. coz essentially you are doing the same thing he is and actually helping him ...

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