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Game Over for NASA Moon-Landing Hoax

 
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What's supposed to be so special about one astronaut obviouslly helping the other up? Do you not see the one that has fallen with his arm on the other?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12056455


well the strange thing In the first part of the vid,

IS that if you note the guy that has tripped
note how his left leg/knee and ass.. is lifted up and slightly slightly away
from the other "A-nut"

did they have big magnets push them slightly away from each other ;)

or maybe that must be gods helping hand then or possible invisible aliens helping out ;) LOL
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Or maybe he is being helped up by the other astronaut and partially assisted with the stiffness of the suit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12126831


Or maybe stuff just looks a little odd in 1/6 gravity? NAAAAHHH!!!! Couldn't be THAT! HAS to be a massive conspiracy!! Heh.. never a dull moment. Thanks for all the yuks!
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You mean like stunt-wire mistakes? Already showed them to you.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


You call THAT a wire mistake?

(Besides the fact that it doesn't work as a wire...the movement is all wrong).

The typical wire mistake is a visible wire. Not a single flash. When you see a wire, you see a wire. The whole length of it. On Broadway, is particularly obvious.

Or then there are wire stunts gone wrong -- there's a famous video clip going around with an early cue during a production of Peter Pan; instead of flying Pan in through the window, they yanked Wendy out of her bed...and into the set wall.

Or there are the church productions (apparently there's some typical christmas pageant that requires this) in which a young person is spilled from an inadequate harness and dumped thirty feet.

The entire scenario as described by the deniers, from how they think flying technology works, to how they think it is integrated into a production, to how mishaps that are captured on film is handled, is ludicrous and wrong-headed.

It isn't just the space sciences the deniers are ignorant about.
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Now why is that above picture important? and why is this, from our freinds at clavius important..

[link to www.clavius.org]

because it shows that the front top flap of the PLSS is covered by the one at the rear..

Yes i was a little vague, in my previous post, and am guilty of not including this, due to some distractions here at home caused me to rush through it.. but if you follow the trail of clues you find that in order for the top front flap in the still to be lifted up, then the covering top back flap that comes from the back must also be open.. which in the video it clearly isnt.. nor in the still..

There is a method to my madness, sometimes its just not apparent lmao..
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Ignoring the fact that this is maybe the dumbest request you've made thus far, I'm not invested enough in this subject to take those actions.

All I'm doing is my small part, which is to tell people:

I'm a person with qualifications and experience in image manipulation/analysis, and I'm acknowledging that YES there are anomalies in the photos. NO you are not crazy for thinking that the photos don't look right, pay no attention to these old men who are pathologically invested in the official story to an absurd degree.

I will readily admit that the truth behind this mystery may be any number of things, but until the anomalies are actually ADDRESSED and not DISMISSED (as they have been up to this point), they will come up AGAIN and AGAIN.
 Quoting: BrandonD


Anomalies, schmanomalies.

Don't stand around going "I'm an expert." State specifically, concisely, and completely what it is that you find wrong. Find specific examples. Show where in those examples the artifact you claim exists. Provide an alternative explanation, and show how it has superior explanatory power.
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Im going to ignore youre blatantly rude accusation
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You said no one had addressed it. You lied.
and move on to a clear explanation for those who might find themselves totally confused by your post.. why you mentioned apollo 11 is beyond me when we are talking about the apollo 16 mission, maybe it was a deliberate attempt to suggest that i was referencing two different instances.
 Quoting: AC

No, look at the actual post, I was commenting on a moon hoax video. THEY jumped missions freely and quickly, I simply gave a running commentary which happened to include your claim.
Extremely confusing statement Astro. The flap that is showing in the still photo is the flap which is on top of the PLSS, not the side..
 Quoting: AC

You liar, I clearly showed that it was the front flap, not the top flap.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Front flap, NOT top flap.
you can not see it flap in the video..
 Quoting: AC

Yes, you can, but since it's the front flap not the top flap you can only see the very top of the flap flapping just above the PLSS.
you mention being able to see a flap moving in the video but that it is the side flap why did you state this, no one is talking about a side flap except you..
 Quoting: AC

That's because you're lying about which flap it is.
here is a side by side that i took showing clearly at the exact moment at the height of his jump

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: AC

[link to i319.photobucket.com]
It's the front flap, and it is barely visible. You chose a frame where it wasn't, how very truthful of you.
Astro, i know it might be difficult to understand but the top flap IS the front flap hun...
 Quoting: AC

No, the top flap is NOT the front flap you liar.
[link to www.clavius.org]
What Clavius calls the rear flap is what I'm calling the top flap. Percy and you claim that is that flap that is loose, it's not, it's the front flap. You are liars and not to be trusted.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8597527


What's supposed to be so special about one astronaut obviouslly helping the other up? Do you not see the one that has fallen with his arm on the other?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12056455


well the strange thing In the first part of the vid,

IS that if you note the guy that has tripped
note how his left leg/knee and ass.. is lifted up and slightly slightly away
from the other "A-nut"

did they have big magnets push them slightly away from each other ;)

or maybe that must be gods helping hand then or possible invisible aliens helping out ;) LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6028794


Or maybe he is being helped up by the other astronaut and partially assisted with the stiffness of the suit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12126831


without touching him. LOL
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So what if my thought process of discovery, examination and then decision is documented as i go along?.. isnt that actually what science and research is all about?.. I see something, I consider all possibilities ie equipment, sneaker, work boot.. i deliberate, i examine real time examples like my husbands sneakers and work boots, then i come to the final conclusion that it is a work boot and not a sneaker.. this is what research is about.. and the fact that you make fun of it, shows you are not interested in the actual discovery of any kind of information or truth..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


Why is "EVA boot" not in that list?


You have just been shown a boot print that is not a moon boot,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


Why does it have the same tread width and spacing of an EVA boot? Why does it have the same depth as an EVA boot print? What effort have you made to find any boots from the period that have a similar tread pattern?

yet now you want a mic boom, so if i get you a mic boom will you then ask for a camera... and if i show that will you then ask for the studio truck to be shown?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


I knew this was too subtle for the denialists. I am not asking for an expanding list. Nor am I asking for something "better" or "bigger" than a boot print.

I am asking for typical gaffs observed in all films.

There are gaffs, such as reflection of crew and equipment, that occur commonly. The kind of gaffs the denialists claim to have found do not typically occur in films.

This is the problem of the positive alternative again. You are not showing evidence FOR a movie set. You are only showing evidence AGAINST it being on the Moon. You haven't made any progress towards a reasonable alternative.



Its never ending... you joke about a one legged employee.. really? that was your investigative conclusion?.. there are many possible explanations for why only one print is visible..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


I've got a GREAT one; dust was kicked over some of the prints during the coming and going, and some were partially obscured by someone stepping on them.




now while I admit that yes, there have been things that are brought up and then made clear and do have rational explanations for, and that is good, that is part of the discovery, part of learning.. so why dont you come up with something to explain this..

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


Substitute, "Almost all." And could the reason why not every single iota of every single claim have been addressed is that the deniers keep coming up with new ones? It takes only a minute to type out "Where were the stars?" It takes a lot longer than that to explain Dynamic Range 101.

btw nomuse, i asked you a question about the van allen belts a page or two back.. would appreciate your thoughts on it in case you missed it..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


Case in point!




Actually, I have a really good question about the VARB.

NASA: "There are these invisible belts of deadly radiation around the Earth."

Denier: "Cool!"

NASA: "Here is a table of the energies and fluxes of same."

Denier: "Lying scum! They aren't anything like that!"



Do you see the problem?
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No one has offered any explanation for these two instances, and why there are differences with the video and the still shot of the same event... why?.. is it that this is part of the evidence no one wants to admit to ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


Liar.

I answered, pages ago.

Jack's still frame is not at the same instant as the Hassie pic.

The Hassie is not located in the same spot as the video camera.

What more do you need? They aren't identical times or angles; why should they look identical?
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the ground in the two foot square around these prints is definately flat.. and besides, even if you take into account the soft spongy effect of the soil, it doesnt change the fact that the print is half the size of the boot.. no matter what you might like to fantasise about, this fact doesnt change.. it is not a distorted moon boot print. it is not equipment print, since none of the equipment taken with them has this kind of base shape.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


Not flat? It's been stepped on, kicked over, and had equipment dragged across it.

What is "not flat" in your world -- the Swiss Alps?

And no part of the lunar surface is particularly flat. It's an undulating surface at best.


I am, in the interests of getting to the bottom of this, open to your explanation of the ground and its inclination.. If you say the ground is not flat, can you demonstrate how it is not.. here is the original high res photo of the entire scene.. show me where the ground around the print is not flat.. now of course its not flat like marble, its soil, but as far as walking surface goes the variation in topsoil orientatioin would be microscopic...

I look forward to your explantion..

[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
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My interpretation doesn't require terrain. It requires only that the soil lifted up by other prints partially obscures the lower edge of the fractional print. Kicked-up dust, of course, fills in the right side.
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Ahh i see my mistake.. i meant a photo of the moon from earth with a 60mm wide angle.. my bad..
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Why?

It has been shown that, when the same lens is used for both, the ratio of angular diameter between the two is correct.

The denier claim is based on comparing apples and durian.
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What's supposed to be so special about one astronaut obviouslly helping the other up? Do you not see the one that has fallen with his arm on the other?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12056455


well the strange thing In the first part of the vid,

IS that if you note the guy that has tripped
note how his left leg/knee and ass.. is lifted up and slightly slightly away
from the other "A-nut"

did they have big magnets push them slightly away from each other ;)

or maybe that must be gods helping hand then or possible invisible aliens helping out ;) LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6028794


Or maybe he is being helped up by the other astronaut and partially assisted with the stiffness of the suit.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12126831


without touching him. LOL
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1008941


I've seen this before. Are you dense? The fallen guy has his left arm on the standing guy. That's how he pushes himself up.
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You mean like stunt-wire mistakes? Already showed them to you.

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The typical wire mistake is a visible wire. Not a single flash. When you see a wire, you see a wire. The whole length of it. On Broadway, is particularly obvious.

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nothing to do with seeing a wire, just the way the Actornaut's body moves impossibly upward.

yes I know you will rattle off a bunch of reasons why this is somehow a normal movement considering the scenario. i could rattle off a bunch of BS, too. throw some fun-facts out about moon's gravity, and then say "gee, so it's not strange afterall. blah blah blah shill shill shill"

rolleyesrolleyesrolleyes

but it still won't explain it, and you know it. you'll just announce that you've explained it and hope everyone believes you.

cruise
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yes I seen that site thank you ,, its mostly full of typical Shill work imo,
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And your opinion is worth what, exactly? Oh yeah, nothing at all.
I always wondered how come you obvious (same guys) spend so much time only trying to debunk this matter,
it clearly must be your extra paid job , well good for you ,
 Quoting: AC

I'm just an amateur astronomer who interacts with the public a lot about space, and I encounter just about every loony claim regarding space at some time or another. I enjoy pointing out how wrong you are so that I can milk every last claim out of you in order to be able to debunk it contemporaneously when I encounter it in real life.
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yes I seen that site thank you ,, its mostly full of typical Shill work imo,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6028794

And your opinion is worth what, exactly? Oh yeah, nothing at all.
I always wondered how come you obvious (same guys) spend so much time only trying to debunk this matter,
it clearly must be your extra paid job , well good for you ,
 Quoting: AC

I'm just an amateur astronomer who interacts with the public a lot about space, and I encounter just about every loony claim regarding space at some time or another. I enjoy pointing out how wrong you are so that I can milk every last claim out of you in order to be able to debunk it contemporaneously when I encounter it in real life.
 Quoting: Astromut


Well back at you,, and your opinions are worth exactly what then?? do you think you know it all because you have a big scope ? well I dabble in the Astrofield too if that matters but i wont go into a pissing contest on that subject because its certainly not of importance in this matter,

but why do you concider all your answers and statements the correct ones?
you know as a scientist and researcher you must always see another door to open other possibilities if you are not you are simply not a good scientist, thats a golden rule, and that goes for all fields, you see to debunk most only the obvious that often are purpously faked,

yes I seen you do help some people out with certain basic missunderstandings and thats great,I try to do the same for "both sides" when i can, but imo you dont know it all, ,or perhaps you think you do ? well great,
but honestly to me you only come out a bit cocky sometimes,
no offence ok,

I am fairly new here but I certainly not claiming to know it all, imo thats the most stupid thing to do, but am old enough now to see trough a hoax when i see one, and more and more pieces just dont fit,

and I do know now the political reasons why this even took place, and imo that is one thing many keep forgetting,
as it was not only done for science unfortunately,

this imo was the reason for the easy way out!

But if you think you know it would you perhaps care to comment the simple fact that some photo shots were using the exact same background in some YT video compilations ,, and the 1th video I posted I belive there was one, and a few more on other videos i seen,,

for ex the pix floating around with and without the LM but the exact same background, and no there is no pod left, so its not about that ,,its simply all "gone",
thats a mystery to me, but perhaps have an answer for that too ?

I rest my case when we finally get there with more modern ways of document it ,, or perhaps Mars which is a very intriguing place imo,
but hey we need to reinforce those rocket tinfoils cans for radiation proofing a bit first ;) so the *Nuts dont get ill.

/ Now Astromut dont loose sleep over this but you must understand that others certainly do have other views on this matter, and remember the one with the last word in discussions like these dont always win ;) so dont hold your breath til all will listen to your view of it,

Anyway, have fun.
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Im going to ignore youre blatantly rude accusation
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You said no one had addressed it. You lied.
and move on to a clear explanation for those who might find themselves totally confused by your post.. why you mentioned apollo 11 is beyond me when we are talking about the apollo 16 mission, maybe it was a deliberate attempt to suggest that i was referencing two different instances.
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No, look at the actual post, I was commenting on a moon hoax video. THEY jumped missions freely and quickly, I simply gave a running commentary which happened to include your claim.
Extremely confusing statement Astro. The flap that is showing in the still photo is the flap which is on top of the PLSS, not the side..
 Quoting: AC

You liar, I clearly showed that it was the front flap, not the top flap.
[link to www.hq.nasa.gov]
Front flap, NOT top flap.
you can not see it flap in the video..
 Quoting: AC

Yes, you can, but since it's the front flap not the top flap you can only see the very top of the flap flapping just above the PLSS.
you mention being able to see a flap moving in the video but that it is the side flap why did you state this, no one is talking about a side flap except you..
 Quoting: AC

That's because you're lying about which flap it is.
here is a side by side that i took showing clearly at the exact moment at the height of his jump

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
 Quoting: AC

[link to i319.photobucket.com]
It's the front flap, and it is barely visible. You chose a frame where it wasn't, how very truthful of you.
Astro, i know it might be difficult to understand but the top flap IS the front flap hun...
 Quoting: AC

No, the top flap is NOT the front flap you liar.
[link to www.clavius.org]
What Clavius calls the rear flap is what I'm calling the top flap. Percy and you claim that is that flap that is loose, it's not, it's the front flap. You are liars and not to be trusted.
 Quoting: Astromut


Firstly, the frame i chose is the very top of his jump, at a second by second frame by frame video its easy to pause it at the same moment the photo was claimed to have been taken.. we could compare several of the frame by frame ones up to, including, and past his apex and none of them would show that front flap lifted into the air like it was in the still..

The next very telling point that I did fail to include while i was explaining what I was seeing, due to whats happening here at my home at the moment, but have included in a subsequent post, was the fact that the top front flap is supposed to be covered by the rear one.. I freely admit to being distracted when i posted and freely admit to my error in not being clear about the various flaps on top of the PLSS.. i am, as it was so eloquently stated previously, just a housewife, not a research assistant and am fallable just as anyone else..

Im not lying at all astro, Im not trying to lie about anything.. im looking at two supposedly simultaneous events that do not match and commenting on them... since when is that lying?

Telling you that these events happened at the same time if they didnt, now that would be a lie, but thats not what was said is it.. these two events in my opinion happened at different times.. im simply trying to find evidence of it..

And here is another shot of the same event that i have compared.. comparing the two photos of both astronauts saluting the flag, there is obvious manipulation of the photo.. now does this prove they didnt go to the moon... NO.. but does it prove that they manipulated photos.. i think yes.. the question is WHY .. what were they hiding if they needed to rub out the shadow in this way.. maybe it was that one legged employee hopping around on the set again?

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
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Ahh i see my mistake.. i meant a photo of the moon from earth with a 60mm wide angle.. my bad..
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Why?

It has been shown that, when the same lens is used for both, the ratio of angular diameter between the two is correct.

The denier claim is based on comparing apples and durian.
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Because I would like to compare it for myself Nomuse, is there a law against that?
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No one has offered any explanation for these two instances, and why there are differences with the video and the still shot of the same event... why?.. is it that this is part of the evidence no one wants to admit to ?
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Liar.

I answered, pages ago.

Jack's still frame is not at the same instant as the Hassie pic.

The Hassie is not located in the same spot as the video camera.

What more do you need? They aren't identical times or angles; why should they look identical?
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Interesting.. since everything Ive read to date claims they were taken at the same moment.. Im open to you pointing me in the direction to the timing of the video and the still..
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No one has offered any explanation for these two instances, and why there are differences with the video and the still shot of the same event... why?.. is it that this is part of the evidence no one wants to admit to ?
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Liar.

I answered, pages ago.

Jack's still frame is not at the same instant as the Hassie pic.

The Hassie is not located in the same spot as the video camera.

What more do you need? They aren't identical times or angles; why should they look identical?
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Interesting.. since everything Ive read to date claims they were taken at the same moment.. Im open to you pointing me in the direction to the timing of the video and the still..
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oh and sorry, what page did you answer my post on, because if I missed it I will appologise..
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And here is another shot of the same event that i have compared.. comparing the two photos of both astronauts saluting the flag, there is obvious manipulation of the photo.. now does this prove they didnt go to the moon... NO.. but does it prove that they manipulated photos.. i think yes.. the question is WHY .. what were they hiding if they needed to rub out the shadow in this way.. maybe it was that one legged employee hopping around on the set again?

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
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I see the same shadow. The ground has been disturbed by another boot print and changed things, but the shadow is there. You are REALLLYY grasping at straws, here.
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And here is another shot of the same event that i have compared.. comparing the two photos of both astronauts saluting the flag, there is obvious manipulation of the photo.. now does this prove they didnt go to the moon... NO.. but does it prove that they manipulated photos.. i think yes.. the question is WHY .. what were they hiding if they needed to rub out the shadow in this way.. maybe it was that one legged employee hopping around on the set again?

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
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I see the same shadow. The ground has been disturbed by another boot print and changed things, but the shadow is there. You are REALLLYY grasping at straws, here.
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Could you possibly do what i did and follow the line of the shadow you see in the left hand pic and perhaps show me where it is visible. and what i have missed? Im not sure if you are willing to take the five minutes it took me to do that, but in the interests of debate, research and truth, I would hope that you would do this.

And just so we are clear, Im talking about the gaps in the shadow on the surface of the ground in the sunlight area.. disturbed or not, dirt doesnt cover a shadow, a shadow on the ground such as the one from the depressed boot print obviously obscures the line of the flag pole shadow, but its clear that there is no boot print or other such disturbance on the missing piece of of the line of the shadow..
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Hi Zipux, I was wondering, though you mentioned not discussing it here, if you could change your mind on that and tell me what your thoughts on these two photos are.

Ive referenced them both in previous posts yet none of our resident pro moon experts have touched either one, the footpad of the LM with the photographs sitting on it just blows my mind and i dont even know how to process that as i look at it.

I even linked a detailed copy of the one with the footprints showing exactly what i thought could be seen as a work boot print (yes orginally i said sneaker/boot but on further research into teads and toe arcs of these two options, ive settled on work boot) Only one poster chimed in and suggested it might be a rock.. im fairly confident its not a rock

here is the link to the pic with the questionable print pointed out if you care to view it or reference it

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
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What part of twisted and distorted do you not understand? What part of could be an impression from something else they had do you not understand (or just want to ignore)?
How do you know the terrain is the same in the two prints you are trying to compare? The upper print with the supposedly longer arc appears to be tilted toward the camera while the lower print appears to be tilted away. Have you bothered to consider how that might affect your measurements?

Funny how you think just one pic on either side is sufficient.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12056455


Wow, you are really reaching arent you.. that was the most desperate attempt to justify what your eyes can plainly see.. the ground is flat, the distance between the two prints is a couple of inches, the tilt is in your mind.. if you think that those two prints are even remotely from the same boot, you are as crazy as NASA.. lol
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The ground is not flat. Funny how you continued to ignore the rest of what he said. Of course you have your agenda.
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the ground in the two foot square around these prints is definately flat.. and besides, even if you take into account the soft spongy effect of the soil, it doesnt change the fact that the print is half the size of the boot.. no matter what you might like to fantasise about, this fact doesnt change.. it is not a distorted moon boot print. it is not equipment print, since none of the equipment taken with them has this kind of base shape.

I am, in the interests of getting to the bottom of this, open to your explanation of the ground and its inclination.. If you say the ground is not flat, can you demonstrate how it is not.. here is the original high res photo of the entire scene.. show me where the ground around the print is not flat.. now of course its not flat like marble, its soil, but as far as walking surface goes the variation in topsoil orientatioin would be microscopic...

I look forward to your explantion..

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I see the same thing the other poster said, the ground on the distorted print is angled away from the camera. Doubt you'll ever admit it though
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I for one have yet to see any reason it was impossible. Maybe you have a different definition of the word then everybody else? Here's a clue: it doesn't mean "I can't figure it out so it must not have happened".
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not to be confused with "I saw it on TV, so it must have happened."
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Is that one you? I'm operating from all the evidence is externally and internally consistent, the math works, the equipment was capable of the the job, not one single deathbed confession over 40 years, nobody who actually understands it doubts it, etc, etc, etc.
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cruisecruisecruise
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Why is that so funny? Do you even know what a deathbed confession is?
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And here is another shot of the same event that i have compared.. comparing the two photos of both astronauts saluting the flag, there is obvious manipulation of the photo.. now does this prove they didnt go to the moon... NO.. but does it prove that they manipulated photos.. i think yes.. the question is WHY .. what were they hiding if they needed to rub out the shadow in this way.. maybe it was that one legged employee hopping around on the set again?

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I see the same shadow. The ground has been disturbed by another boot print and changed things, but the shadow is there. You are REALLLYY grasping at straws, here.
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Could you possibly do what i did and follow the line of the shadow you see in the left hand pic and perhaps show me where it is visible. and what i have missed? Im not sure if you are willing to take the five minutes it took me to do that, but in the interests of debate, research and truth, I would hope that you would do this.

And just so we are clear, Im talking about the gaps in the shadow on the surface of the ground in the sunlight area.. disturbed or not, dirt doesnt cover a shadow, a shadow on the ground such as the one from the depressed boot print obviously obscures the line of the flag pole shadow, but its clear that there is no boot print or other such disturbance on the missing piece of of the line of the shadow..
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In the interests of clarity, to make sure we are looking at the same thing, ive gone back and made a few additions to the example, extending the line of the shadow into the depression, obviously I do not mean that because it fell in shadow its missing.. i figured that would be obvious, but im realising now that pro nasa side can be vague and we must be exact .. so here is the exact missing shadow..

Also please note, my red line is not ontop of where the shadow should be, it is below it, representing its path just in case we were unclear about that..

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What's supposed to be so special about one astronaut obviouslly helping the other up? Do you not see the one that has fallen with his arm on the other?
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well the strange thing In the first part of the vid,

IS that if you note the guy that has tripped
note how his left leg/knee and ass.. is lifted up and slightly slightly away
from the other "A-nut"

did they have big magnets push them slightly away from each other ;)

or maybe that must be gods helping hand then or possible invisible aliens helping out ;) LOL
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Or maybe he is being helped up by the other astronaut and partially assisted with the stiffness of the suit.
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Or maybe stuff just looks a little odd in 1/6 gravity? NAAAAHHH!!!! Couldn't be THAT! HAS to be a massive conspiracy!! Heh.. never a dull moment. Thanks for all the yuks!
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Exactly. I'm sure the low gravity definitely helps with this. I could do it in 1G but it would be difficult. It would be easy with low gravity.
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What's supposed to be so special about one astronaut obviouslly helping the other up? Do you not see the one that has fallen with his arm on the other?
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well the strange thing In the first part of the vid,

IS that if you note the guy that has tripped
note how his left leg/knee and ass.. is lifted up and slightly slightly away
from the other "A-nut"

did they have big magnets push them slightly away from each other ;)

or maybe that must be gods helping hand then or possible invisible aliens helping out ;) LOL
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Or maybe he is being helped up by the other astronaut and partially assisted with the stiffness of the suit.
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without touching him. LOL
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Are you watching the same video? The astonaut getting up clearly has his left arm on the other astronaut. The standing one is helping him up. Watch it again and open your eyes.
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And here is another shot of the same event that i have compared.. comparing the two photos of both astronauts saluting the flag, there is obvious manipulation of the photo.. now does this prove they didnt go to the moon... NO.. but does it prove that they manipulated photos.. i think yes.. the question is WHY .. what were they hiding if they needed to rub out the shadow in this way.. maybe it was that one legged employee hopping around on the set again?

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
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I see the same shadow. The ground has been disturbed by another boot print and changed things, but the shadow is there. You are REALLLYY grasping at straws, here.
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Could you possibly do what i did and follow the line of the shadow you see in the left hand pic and perhaps show me where it is visible. and what i have missed? Im not sure if you are willing to take the five minutes it took me to do that, but in the interests of debate, research and truth, I would hope that you would do this.

And just so we are clear, Im talking about the gaps in the shadow on the surface of the ground in the sunlight area.. disturbed or not, dirt doesnt cover a shadow, a shadow on the ground such as the one from the depressed boot print obviously obscures the line of the flag pole shadow, but its clear that there is no boot print or other such disturbance on the missing piece of of the line of the shadow..
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Actually, there are at least two new boot prints in the area in question. I have no idea why you are so obsessed with this, but the comparrison of two photos from two different angles with changes in the area from having been walked on makes it so difficult to compare that I don't care to go through the torture of trying to do so. But knock yourself out. I'm sure you think you have found something really important.
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im realising now that pro nasa side can be vague and we must be exact ..

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Fucking hilarious!
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And here is another shot of the same event that i have compared.. comparing the two photos of both astronauts saluting the flag, there is obvious manipulation of the photo.. now does this prove they didnt go to the moon... NO.. but does it prove that they manipulated photos.. i think yes.. the question is WHY .. what were they hiding if they needed to rub out the shadow in this way.. maybe it was that one legged employee hopping around on the set again?

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
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I see the same shadow. The ground has been disturbed by another boot print and changed things, but the shadow is there. You are REALLLYY grasping at straws, here.
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Could you possibly do what i did and follow the line of the shadow you see in the left hand pic and perhaps show me where it is visible. and what i have missed? Im not sure if you are willing to take the five minutes it took me to do that, but in the interests of debate, research and truth, I would hope that you would do this.

And just so we are clear, Im talking about the gaps in the shadow on the surface of the ground in the sunlight area.. disturbed or not, dirt doesnt cover a shadow, a shadow on the ground such as the one from the depressed boot print obviously obscures the line of the flag pole shadow, but its clear that there is no boot print or other such disturbance on the missing piece of of the line of the shadow..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11980848


Actually, there are at least two new boot prints in the area in question. I have no idea why you are so obsessed with this, but the comparrison of two photos from two different angles with changes in the area from having been walked on makes it so difficult to compare that I don't care to go through the torture of trying to do so. But knock yourself out. I'm sure you think you have found something really important.
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so here is a more detailed pic of what im talking about.. ive included a insert below where the missing shadow is to show you where it should be below it.. ive drawn a line where it should be, so you can clearly see its missing in the top left shot..

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
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nothing to do with seeing a wire, just the way the Actornaut's body moves impossibly upward.
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The film mistake would be to see the wire.

Okay...I cheerfully admit a lot of the wire-fu in the golden age Hong Kong films looks wrong. But it also looks obviously wrong.

This is a lot subtler. It only looks wrong if you are thinking in 1G, not watching the placement of the hands, thinking the PLSS is the weight of an ordinary frame pack, and not taking into account the way the suit itself behaves with internal pressure and internal pulley and spring rigging.

And if you've never been to a gym or circus school or dance class and learned something about the movement arts.


yes I know you will rattle off a bunch of reasons why this is somehow a normal movement considering the scenario. i could rattle off a bunch of BS, too. throw some fun-facts out about moon's gravity, and then say "gee, so it's not strange afterall. blah blah blah shill shill shill"

but it still won't explain it, and you know it. you'll just announce that you've explained it and hope everyone believes you.

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You don't see it. Fine. Just don't expect other people to agree with your blindness.

Also, there is no need to ascribe ulterior motives to the ability of other people to see what you can't. Maybe their perception is different. Maybe they honestly can see something you can't.

You are a bit in the situation of an outsider saying "Jennifer Beale makes a really convincing ballet dancer!" and someone from within the dance community going "Yeah, right! Look at that sorry-ass extension!"

And your response is "You just hate Jennifer Beale!" Sure. Because they couldn't POSSIBLY have experience in watching actually good ballet dancers.
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I see the same thing the other poster said, the ground on the distorted print is angled away from the camera. Doubt you'll ever admit it though
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Yep. I did look again and you're right. It even blocks a bit of the toe of the boot, which is behind it. So much for that mystery... Yawn... got any popcorn?
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so here is a more detailed pic of what im talking about.. ive included a insert below where the missing shadow is to show you where it should be below it.. ive drawn a line where it should be, so you can clearly see its missing in the top left shot..

[link to i496.photobucket.com]
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I just posted my opinion.

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