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Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space

 
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Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
one of the biggest hoaxes of all time!

rocket propulsion cannot work in space.

you get tricked by being told about newtons third law and how the propellant pushes against the body so therefore (equal opposite) has to push the rocket.

but newtons third law ironically proves this to be false if viewed from the other way round, the propellant cannot push against a vacuum (zero force) so in turn (equal and opposite) applies zero force to the rocket/vehicle itself.


can anyone find me a video of a rocket, firecracker or something similar creating force in a vacuum?
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So, are you saying that it's a lie.
Hmmm I guess, everything is a lie.

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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
one of the biggest hoaxes of all time!

rocket propulsion cannot work in space.

you get tricked by being told about newtons third law and how the propellant pushes against the body so therefore (equal opposite) has to push the rocket.

but newtons third law ironically proves this to be false if viewed from the other way round, the propellant cannot push against a vacuum (zero force) so in turn (equal and opposite) applies zero force to the rocket/vehicle itself.


can anyone find me a video of a rocket, firecracker or something similar creating force in a vacuum?
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"the propellant cannot push against a vacuum" If you don't know so much about science don't make such shitty conclusions.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
why do you think that we havn't been further out than 400 mile or so?


why so much fuel is used just to get into orbit?


clue: air gets thinner.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
Sigh...
You can't push against the vacuum but you can make the fuel push the ship...
Imagine yourself in a chair with wheel, not touching the ground make a strong motion, you will notice you will move.
Dont even DARE thinking it was cause of the air... if it was cause of the air we would be able to fly simply by flapping our arms.
Dunno if this cleared things up as Im not very good with explanations.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
In point of fact, the propellant pushes against the ROCKET, not the surrounding environment.

By your logic, a rocket would be more efficient underwater than in air - which is a patent falsehood.

Stay awake in Science class....
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space flight is doomed.
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the 'your a loony', 'learn science' shills will be here shortly.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
space flight is doomed.
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only with the technology we have to hand.
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space flight is doomed.
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space flight is doomed.
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sherlock
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must power up the shill shield.
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Sigh...
You can't push against the vacuum but you can make the fuel push the ship...
Imagine yourself in a chair with wheel, not touching the ground make a strong motion, you will notice you will move.
Dont even DARE thinking it was cause of the air... if it was cause of the air we would be able to fly simply by flapping our arms.
Dunno if this cleared things up as Im not very good with explanations.
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thats inertia, thats what they fob you off with and most people buy it.
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you're an idiot

do some reading

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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
In point of fact, the propellant pushes against the ROCKET, not the surrounding environment.

By your logic, a rocket would be more efficient underwater than in air - which is a patent falsehood.

Stay awake in Science class....
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if the nozzle was in water but the body was in air then yes.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
why do you think that we havn't been further out than 400 mile or so?


why so much fuel is used just to get into orbit?


clue: air gets thinner.
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clue: go back to 7th grade physics.

The reason it takes so much fuel to get into orbit is that the rocket must reach escape velocity relative to the weight of the rocket in order to escape Earth's gravitational pull. It takes a LOT of power to do that... and fuel itself is heavy and takes up a great deal of volume.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
Sigh...
You can't push against the vacuum but you can make the fuel push the ship...
Imagine yourself in a chair with wheel, not touching the ground make a strong motion, you will notice you will move.
Dont even DARE thinking it was cause of the air... if it was cause of the air we would be able to fly simply by flapping our arms.
Dunno if this cleared things up as Im not very good with explanations.
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thats inertia, thats what they fob you off with and most people buy it.
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[link to www.straightdope.com]
Just read this please.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
you're an idiot

do some reading

[link to www.straightdope.com]
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


see above google boy.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
Sigh...
You can't push against the vacuum but you can make the fuel push the ship...
Imagine yourself in a chair with wheel, not touching the ground make a strong motion, you will notice you will move.
Dont even DARE thinking it was cause of the air... if it was cause of the air we would be able to fly simply by flapping our arms.
Dunno if this cleared things up as Im not very good with explanations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9438655



thats inertia, thats what they fob you off with and most people buy it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


[link to www.straightdope.com]
Just read this please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9438655


see above, above,

you will not get the answers on google.
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Scotty, give me all you got.
She's aboot to explode Cap'in. She want hold much longer!
He's dead, Jim.
Fascinating!
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
why do you think that we havn't been further out than 400 mile or so?


why so much fuel is used just to get into orbit?


clue: air gets thinner.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


clue: go back to 7th grade physics.

The reason it takes so much fuel to get into orbit is that the rocket must reach escape velocity relative to the weight of the rocket in order to escape Earth's gravitational pull. It takes a LOT of power to do that... and fuel itself is heavy and takes up a great deal of volume.
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what? and earths gravity field suddenly stops once you break out of orbit?
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
Sigh...
You can't push against the vacuum but you can make the fuel push the ship...
Imagine yourself in a chair with wheel, not touching the ground make a strong motion, you will notice you will move.
Dont even DARE thinking it was cause of the air... if it was cause of the air we would be able to fly simply by flapping our arms.
Dunno if this cleared things up as Im not very good with explanations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9438655



thats inertia, thats what they fob you off with and most people buy it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


[link to www.straightdope.com]
Just read this please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9438655


see above, above,

you will not get the answers on google.
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google is just a search engine, dummy.....if we gave you a wiki link, then you could mock us......we just gave you an essay....not my problem if you don't understand it
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
why do you think that we havn't been further out than 400 mile or so?


why so much fuel is used just to get into orbit?


clue: air gets thinner.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


clue: go back to 7th grade physics.

The reason it takes so much fuel to get into orbit is that the rocket must reach escape velocity relative to the weight of the rocket in order to escape Earth's gravitational pull. It takes a LOT of power to do that... and fuel itself is heavy and takes up a great deal of volume.
 Quoting: Roentgen®


what? and earths gravity field suddenly stops once you break out of orbit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


no you fucking dolt.

But the closer you are to center mass of a large object... the stronger the gravitational pull.

Hence the reason that some companies will bring satellites down to lower orbits from a higher orbit... the lower orbit will eventually drag the satellite into the atmosphere where it will (ideally) burn up. In a higher orbit the gravitational pull isn't as strong and the satellite is able to orbit the Earth without it's orbit decaying.

By your reasoning the fucking moon would be sitting on the face of our planet because the gravitational pull is just as strong there as it is on the face of the planet.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
Technically, no human has ever been in "outer" space. The moon is still within the earth's pull, so even going there is still local.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
so man never ever made it to the moon?

no chance with course correction,

no lunar modual lift off, moons in a vacuum

no satallites to saturn, mars, comets?

they need couse corrections too

so everything that all the space organizations around the world have done is a lie?

and nobody ever squealed?

i have to say b.s.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
the 'essay' would be no good for space travel.


although would be good if you just want to rock back and forth like many do ;)

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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
the 'essay' would be no good for space travel.


although would be good if you just want to rock back and forth like many do ;)

crazyjak
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that's it

i'm calling Troll
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
why do you think that we havn't been further out than 400 mile or so?


why so much fuel is used just to get into orbit?


clue: air gets thinner.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


clue: go back to 7th grade physics.

The reason it takes so much fuel to get into orbit is that the rocket must reach escape velocity relative to the weight of the rocket in order to escape Earth's gravitational pull. It takes a LOT of power to do that... and fuel itself is heavy and takes up a great deal of volume.
 Quoting: Roentgen®


what? and earths gravity field suddenly stops once you break out of orbit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


no you fucking dolt.

But the closer you are to center mass of a large object... the stronger the gravitational pull.

Hence the reason that some companies will bring satellites down to lower orbits from a higher orbit... the lower orbit will eventually drag the satellite into the atmosphere where it will (ideally) burn up. In a higher orbit the gravitational pull isn't as strong and the satellite is able to orbit the Earth without it's orbit decaying.

By your reasoning the fucking moon would be sitting on the face of our planet because the gravitational pull is just as strong there as it is on the face of the planet.
 Quoting: Roentgen®


dont start twisting words sonny jim.
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
the 'essay' would be no good for space travel.


although would be good if you just want to rock back and forth like many do ;)

crazyjak
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that's it

i'm calling Troll
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well, thats that then!



I'm sure x-factor will be on for you shortly, enjoy the show.
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Nice trolling rig
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
the 'essay' would be no good for space travel.


although would be good if you just want to rock back and forth like many do ;)

crazyjak
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that's it

i'm calling Troll
 Quoting: Mordier L'eft


well, thats that then!



I'm sure x-factor will be on for you shortly, enjoy the show.
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what's an x-factor, sorry....i don't speak Dummy

you Duuuuuumb
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Re: Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space
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clue: go back to 7th grade physics.

The reason it takes so much fuel to get into orbit is that the rocket must reach escape velocity relative to the weight of the rocket in order to escape Earth's gravitational pull. It takes a LOT of power to do that... and fuel itself is heavy and takes up a great deal of volume.
 Quoting: Roentgen®


what? and earths gravity field suddenly stops once you break out of orbit?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


no you fucking dolt.

But the closer you are to center mass of a large object... the stronger the gravitational pull.

Hence the reason that some companies will bring satellites down to lower orbits from a higher orbit... the lower orbit will eventually drag the satellite into the atmosphere where it will (ideally) burn up. In a higher orbit the gravitational pull isn't as strong and the satellite is able to orbit the Earth without it's orbit decaying.

By your reasoning the fucking moon would be sitting on the face of our planet because the gravitational pull is just as strong there as it is on the face of the planet.
 Quoting: Roentgen®


dont start twisting words sonny jim.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845


I twisted no words. I simply applied the logic you implied here: "what? and earths gravity field suddenly stops once you break out of orbit?" to a scenario that illustrates it.

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