Moon Hoax - Rockets CANNOT work in space | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11430727 United Kingdom 02/25/2012 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | one of the biggest hoaxes of all time! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845 rocket propulsion cannot work in space. you get tricked by being told about newtons third law and how the propellant pushes against the body so therefore (equal opposite) has to push the rocket. but newtons third law ironically proves this to be false if viewed from the other way round, the propellant cannot push against a vacuum (zero force) so in turn (equal and opposite) applies zero force to the rocket/vehicle itself. can anyone find me a video of a rocket, firecracker or something similar creating force in a vacuum? Stop it now, you are showing your complete ignorance of simple physical laws you blithering idiot. When did you drop out of school. 1st year of the infants. Dickhead. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11421485 Germany 02/25/2012 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11421485 700 miles I call space/ minuteman 3 icbm space officially begins at 80 miles lol officially is very relative, just saying. whatever smarty they fly in space. so op is wrong. wow, did you video tape your space flight using rocket propulsion? I'd love to see that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1515928 United States 02/25/2012 01:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'll check back on you pioneers later. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845 be good if someone could find me that video I was asking for. find it for yourself. you are supposedly the reincarnation of Newton with all your "thinking." Hey.. while you're gone, maybe you can come up with a better type of mathematics than what Newton came up with when he developed Calculus? Something that only that "thinking" mind of yours could create... like 1 + 1 = 2 except for on Wednesdays then 1 + 1 = lawnmower. ^^^^THIS^^^^ OP this is by far the most amusing troll thread of my day. for the lulz. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11416312 Portugal 02/25/2012 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | wow, did you video tape your space flight using rocket propulsion? I'd love to see that. [link to www.youtube.com] 3d animation. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 11420102 Germany 02/25/2012 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1st there is no perfect vacuum in space there is still matter left. 2nd rockets need no medium to push agains thats not how they work. the Burnt gas pushes agains the rocket in all directions but only can escape in one direction so it can escape on the bottom and cant on the top so it´s push on the top to lift it up is higher then the push on the bottom where it can escape thrugh the outlet. force pushing the top force pushing gas out <---- burning gas -----> 3rd gravitation of earth stays the same aswell it is just canceld out throug another force Fliehkraft <---------- spacecraft -------------> earth (gravity) | | speed at wich craft moves around earth If speed is high enough to create Fliehkraft = gravity u have , weightlessnes wich is why the iss flys at like 20000 Km/h around the earth at 300km height While at 36000 km height the forces are that way that they cancel out exactly at a speed at wich satalites can stay geostationary wich means they allways observe the same spot of the earth and stay synced to earths rotation. Hope this helps some of the posters get their stuff right :D |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11416312 Portugal 02/25/2012 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This video shows some interesting features about the high altitude atmosphere. [link to www.youtube.com] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 11057845 United Kingdom 02/25/2012 01:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1st there is no perfect vacuum in space there is still matter left. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11420102 2nd rockets need no medium to push agains thats not how they work. the Burnt gas pushes agains the rocket in all directions but only can escape in one direction so it can escape on the bottom and cant on the top so it´s push on the top to lift it up is higher then the push on the bottom where it can escape thrugh the outlet. force pushing the top force pushing gas out <---- burning gas -----> 3rd gravitation of earth stays the same aswell it is just canceld out throug another force Fliehkraft <---------- spacecraft -------------> earth (gravity) | | speed at wich craft moves around earth If speed is high enough to create Fliehkraft = gravity u have , weightlessnes wich is why the iss flys at like 20000 Km/h around the earth at 300km height While at 36000 km height the forces are that way that they cancel out exactly at a speed at wich satalites can stay geostationary wich means they allways observe the same spot of the earth and stay synced to earths rotation. Hope this helps some of the posters get their stuff right :D thanks for constructive input. This is what everyone believes (including myself once upon a time) this is what we believe because it is what we are TOLD. yes the gasses are expanding rapidly out of one end of the rocket, but they are expanding into a vacuum, this vacuum is 'sucking' on the gasses as quick as they expand so the net result is zero force in one direction. |
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quest User ID: 9506672 United States 02/25/2012 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ( just in case this really does bother anyone ) If you were floating in space, and had a heavy wrench. Then threw the wrench in one direction, you would go the other. A rocket is throwing the exaust out in one direction just like the wrench. If you need to prove this to yor self, get a voleyball, a bowling ball and a skate board. [lets call this just a 'thought experiment' so no one gets hurt from flying bowling balls or skateboard accidents] on the skate board, on a level smooth surface, Throw the voleyball in forward. you may not move because of friction. Try a bowling ball. You will probly move. Both react much the same with the air. But the bowling ball produces more 'thrust' because it is more massive. the thrust is proprtional to both the mass and the velocity. The exaust gas of the rocket works good, because it is at such high velocity. |
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no user name User ID: 11430406 Mexico 02/25/2012 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it quite funny that I bet over half of the people that think I'm an idiot are the same people who believe in a mythological beardy guy in the sky. lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845 The rockets are propelled by the application of Newton's third law: For every action occurs whenever an equal and opposite (in strength). For example if you exert a heavy blow on a wall, your hand in turn receives a blow of equal magnitude and opposite direction of the blow dealt to the wall. The classic example is driven to explain how a rocket is that of a deflating balloon. The air is expelled from the balloon pushes the air that is outside the balloon and the air is out of the balloon pushes the balloon forward. In the case of a rocket going into space, we have no air to push, as this in a vacuum, but the rocket gases produced by burning fuel which in turn are driven by the new gas will be produced at once, producing a pair of action reaction between the gas was produced and being produced. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 11057845 United Kingdom 02/25/2012 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ( just in case this really does bother anyone ) Quoting: quest 9506672 If you were floating in space, and had a heavy wrench. Then threw the wrench in one direction, you would go the other. A rocket is throwing the exaust out in one direction just like the wrench. If you need to prove this to yor self, get a voleyball, a bowling ball and a skate board. [lets call this just a 'thought experiment' so no one gets hurt from flying bowling balls or skateboard accidents] on the skate board, on a level smooth surface, Throw the voleyball in forward. you may not move because of friction. Try a bowling ball. You will probly move. Both react much the same with the air. But the bowling ball produces more 'thrust' because it is more massive. the thrust is proprtional to both the mass and the velocity. The exaust gas of the rocket works good, because it is at such high velocity. thanks, so why isn't the vacuum in space consuming this high velocity exhaust gases as quickly as it is coming out? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 11057845 United Kingdom 02/25/2012 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it quite funny that I bet over half of the people that think I'm an idiot are the same people who believe in a mythological beardy guy in the sky. lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845 The rockets are propelled by the application of Newton's third law: For every action occurs whenever an equal and opposite (in strength). For example if you exert a heavy blow on a wall, your hand in turn receives a blow of equal magnitude and opposite direction of the blow dealt to the wall. The classic example is driven to explain how a rocket is that of a deflating balloon. The air is expelled from the balloon pushes the air that is outside the balloon and the air is out of the balloon pushes the balloon forward. In the case of a rocket going into space, we have no air to push, as this in a vacuum, but the rocket gases produced by burning fuel which in turn are driven by the new gas will be produced at once, producing a pair of action reaction between the gas was produced and being produced. so its now pushing on the gasses it created?? <ballon> now connect the nozzle of that baloon to a vacuum, does the baloon still want to fly away? |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 02/25/2012 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone, this point is very legit. The recent European moon probe orbitted the earth for months, gradually increasing its orbit until it reached the moon. Why not just use a 1960s Saturn V to get there in 3 days? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11307622 Because it's far more expensive and way overkill. If you can launch on a cheaper small rocket and take longer to get there, then that's what you do these days. Probes that go to Mars don't have much of a choice though, the cheapest way is generally a direct transfer orbit. Thus, probes like the Mars Science Laboratory travel farther than the moon in a little over 24 hours after leaving earth. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 11269112 United States 02/25/2012 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone, this point is very legit. The recent European moon probe orbitted the earth for months, gradually increasing its orbit until it reached the moon. Why not just use a 1960s Saturn V to get there in 3 days? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11307622 Because it's far more expensive and way overkill. If you can launch on a cheaper small rocket and take longer to get there, then that's what you do these days. Probes that go to Mars don't have much of a choice though, the cheapest way is generally a direct transfer orbit. Thus, probes like the Mars Science Laboratory travel farther than the moon in a little over 24 hours after leaving earth. We never went to Mars either, the rovers are fake. You are an Asshole. |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 02/25/2012 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Everyone, this point is very legit. The recent European moon probe orbitted the earth for months, gradually increasing its orbit until it reached the moon. Why not just use a 1960s Saturn V to get there in 3 days? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11307622 Because it's far more expensive and way overkill. If you can launch on a cheaper small rocket and take longer to get there, then that's what you do these days. Probes that go to Mars don't have much of a choice though, the cheapest way is generally a direct transfer orbit. Thus, probes like the Mars Science Laboratory travel farther than the moon in a little over 24 hours after leaving earth. We never went to Mars either, the rovers are fake. You are an Asshole. Wrong again. |
no user name User ID: 11430406 Mexico 02/25/2012 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I find it quite funny that I bet over half of the people that think I'm an idiot are the same people who believe in a mythological beardy guy in the sky. lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11057845 The rockets are propelled by the application of Newton's third law: For every action occurs whenever an equal and opposite (in strength). For example if you exert a heavy blow on a wall, your hand in turn receives a blow of equal magnitude and opposite direction of the blow dealt to the wall. The classic example is driven to explain how a rocket is that of a deflating balloon. The air is expelled from the balloon pushes the air that is outside the balloon and the air is out of the balloon pushes the balloon forward. In the case of a rocket going into space, we have no air to push, as this in a vacuum, but the rocket gases produced by burning fuel which in turn are driven by the new gas will be produced at once, producing a pair of action reaction between the gas was produced and being produced. so its now pushing on the gasses it created?? You put the gas-filled balloon in a vacuum chamber and when you release the gas, the balloon will move. It's simple really. <ballon> now connect the nozzle of that baloon to a vacuum, does the baloon still want to fly away? |