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POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!

 
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POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!
I saw something in my local newspaper about a free manure management manual workshop provided by the county's "conservation district" and was curious so I started Googling. What I found floored me. Apparently, on October 29, Pennsylvania implemented new regulations for ANYONE who owns any type of livestock (even just ONE chicken, ANYTHING that generates manure!) OR who uses manure on crops to have a "Manure Management Plan"!!

Check this stuff out for more information, this is Agenda 21 and how they are going to regulate owning livestock or growing crops!! This will apply to ANYONE who owns livestock, not just large scale farming operations, and the wording is vague enough to cover your own hobby garden if you use manure. You will be in violation of state or possibly federal law if you do not have the management plan filled out and implemented!

They even want you to fill create a map with the layout of your property, and must be able to be given to the Department of Environmental Protection or the local conservation district if they knock on your door!


Every farm in Pennsylvania that land applies manure is required to have some type of a written plan that describes how the manure and other nutrients are managed. This includes manure application by various types of equipment and/or direct application by animals on pastures and in animal concentration areas.

[link to www.snydercounty.org]


Overview of Manure Management Guidelines for PA Farmers Generating or Using Manure

Who these guidelines pertain to:

A. All farms that generate or use manure, regardless of the size of the farm, including farms that:

Pasture livestock or poultry, or Maintain an Animal Concentration Area (barnyard, exercise lot, or feedlot), or Apply manure to their crop fields


General manure management requirements for farms generating or using manure:
A. Develop a written Manure Management Plan

D. The manure management plan written for these operations does not need to be submitted for review and approval, these plans just need to be retained on site





[link to panutrientmgmt.cas.psu.edu]


The Manure Management Plan format in this manual must be used for the written manure management plan unless the farmer gets approval from DEP for an alternative plan format. In addition to developing a written plan, the farmer must also complete and maintain records to demonstrate compliance with the Manure Management Plan. DEP has developed a Manure Management Plan Workbook for farmers to use that contains the forms described in this manual.

Once completed, this Workbook will become the farm’s Manure Management Plan which must be implemented. The staff from DEP or county conservation district may request to see a copy of this plan when they visit a farm. The farmer should also provide a copy of the Manure Management Plan Summary Worksheet to the individual that land applies manure at a farm or on any rented land. Failure to follow the plan is a violation of state, and in some cases, federal law.


The Manure Management Plan format in this manual must be used for the written manure management plan unless the farmer gets approval from DEP for an alternative plan format.



Section 1 - General Information. This section includes general information about the farm. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 2 - Mechanical Manure Application Rate and Timing. This section documents manure application rates and timing for mechanical application of manure. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 3 - Farm Map. This section provides a farm map identifying the location of fields, structures, environmentally sensitive areas and manure application setbacks. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 4 - Recordkeeping. This section provides a description of required recordkeeping and provides forms that can be used for recordkeeping. This section is always required in a manure management plan.




Full PDF, way too much to post, available here - [link to panutrientmgmt.cas.psu.edu]



Live in PA and own a horse? This new rule will affect you.

The regulations will be enforced by the Department of Environmental Protection, and are expected to be complaint driven – i.e. if someone complains, the farm will get a visit.

[link to www.pennsylvaniaequestrian.com]



Here's an article to one of the manure management manual workshops:


Milford —

Training on the new Manure Management Manual & Conservation Planning Pennsylvania landowners who own farm animals and livestock are required to develop a plan for the safe disposal of the animal waste. No matter the number of animals you own, you are required to develop a Manure Management Plan, pursuant to Chapter 91 relating to Water Quality.



[link to www.wayneindependent.com]


The Ag Compliance regulations above are effective statewide. However, if you are in the Chesapeake Bay Watershed, you will be receiving an on-farm visit from either conservation district staff or DEP to discuss these requirements with you. These are outreach visits, not enforcement visits, and they are being required as part of the Watershed Implementation Plan which was put in place to meet EPA's demands. Every conservation district that has a Chesapeake Bay technician is required to make 100 on-site farm visits a year, and the end goal is to have visited every farm in the bay by 2017. DEP staff in the bay are also required to do 100 visits in their region each year. These visits are not optional, however, please remember they are for outreach only, they are not for enforcement. The person making the visit is not going to inspect the operation. They will be reviewing the ag compliance requirements and giving out informational packets.


[link to republicanherald.com]

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** edited to put the manure workshop in the initial post **

Last Edited by Laura Bow on 02/25/2012 08:46 PM
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Re: POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!
Going to move this up...
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HOLY COW SHIT!!! What are they trying to do here ? Close down every farmer??
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Can't believe this isn't getting comments. Everyone must be raiding the fridge or something.

They'll be back in a second, :D
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HOLY COW SHIT!!! What are they trying to do here ? Close down every farmer??
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Yep, but not only every farmer but it even someone who is a hobby gardener or just has a few chickens, a cow, or a pet pig. I heard NOTHING about this in ANY news until today when I saw about a workshop and happened to Google it!
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I'll have to check with my friends at the farmers market to see if NY has similar plans.
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Can't believe this isn't getting comments. Everyone must be raiding the fridge or something.

They'll be back in a second, :D
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LOL maybe they're too shocked to comment. Please look at that PDF file, I was astounded at what is in it. You need to keep it in case they come knocking at the door, as well. Wow.
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PIN THIS!! This is HORSE SHIT!! They are trying to implement AGENDA 21!!
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Horse owners, listen up! If you are an owner or operator of a facility that houses horses (and any other livestock species), are you aware you must have a manure management plan completed for your operation?

Times have changed. The 40 pounds of manure that one horse produces each day needs to be managed in ways that protect our environment and our communities. For many years, livestock operations have been aware of state regulations for storage and removal of manure, but often horse facilities have felt immune from obeying and implementing plans, for owners felt they did not fall under the title of a livestock operation. Horse owners are responsible to implement a manure management plan for their operation no matter how large or how small.

[link to www.lockhaven.com]


Horse poop will be the end of us :(
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Help on the horizon for new regs; Got just one horse or chicken? Get a plan.

New Manure Management Regulations and Erosion Control Regulations related to agriculture have been established in Pennsylvania requiring all owners of farm animals and livestock to develop a plan for the safe disposal of animal waste. The requirement is meant to protect Commonwealth waters. Fortunately for residents of Wayne and Pike counties, help is on the way with two upcoming workshops hosted by the Wayne Conservation District (WCD).

According to PA Department of Agriculture staff, no matter the number of animals owned, Manure Management Plans (MMP) must be developed pursuant to Chapter 91 regulations relating to water quality.

[link to www.riverreporteronline.com]
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Re: POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!
WTF! Whats Next with these gov a**holes.

A manure management plan if you own a few acres of land and they see Wild Turkeys on your land?

A manure management plan if you own a few acres of land and they see a Wild Deer (even one) feeding & pooping on your land?

A manure management plan if you own a few acres of land and they see Migrating Canada Geese or Snowgeese (even one) feeding & pooping on your land?

A manure management plan if you own a few acres of land and they see Migrating Ducks (even one) feeding & pooping on your land?

A manure management plan if you own a few acres of land and they see wild rabits (even one) feeding & pooping on your land?

A manure management plan if you own a few acres of land and they see any type of wild animals (even one) feeding & pooping on your land?
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Re: POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!
HOLY COW SHIT!!! What are they trying to do here ? Close down every farmer??
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I suspect that's the plan
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Re: POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!
HOLY COW SHIT!!! What are they trying to do here ? Close down every farmer??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10728385


I suspect that's the plan
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3047758


Not just every farmer but anyone who even does it as a hobby. If you own just one chicken you're included!!!


Help on the horizon for new regs; Got just one horse or chicken? Get a plan.

[link to www.riverreporteronline.com]

I imagine if you apply manure to your hobby garden you're included too. They want to CONTROL everything. It's disgusting.
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I can't see the Amish going along with this! They are already being persecuted for drinking and trading raw milk.
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Re: POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!
They can take my cow shit when they pry it from my cold dead hands.
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Calm down. They need to make sure you aren't polluting the drinking water with shit.
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Calm down. They need to make sure you aren't polluting the drinking water with shit.
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You stupid moron.
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Calm down. They need to make sure you aren't polluting the drinking water with shit.
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You stupid moron.
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cruise

Yeah, cause having a few chickens or ONE cow is really going to pollute the earth. WhatEVER did they do before the DEP? Like I said already, it's about control.
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Moving this up and then will BBL.
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Calm down. They need to make sure you aren't polluting the drinking water with shit.
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You stupid moron.
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cruise

Yeah, cause having a few chickens or ONE cow is really going to pollute the earth. WhatEVER did they do before the DEP? Like I said already, it's about control.
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It's so they have something to blame when the hydro fracking ruins the water table...poop
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D. The manure management plan written for these operations does not need to be submitted for review and approval, these plans just need to be retained on site

Ohhhh, the humanity...

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D. The manure management plan written for these operations does not need to be submitted for review and approval, these plans just need to be retained on site

Ohhhh, the humanity...

drama
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Gradual implementing goes hand to nand with devious conditioning....

This is bad....how soon they will suggest personal poop management plan?
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D. The manure management plan written for these operations does not need to be submitted for review and approval, these plans just need to be retained on site

Ohhhh, the humanity...

drama
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Gradual implementing goes hand to nand with devious conditioning....

This is bad....how soon they will suggest personal poop management plan?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11479040


Every state has regulations on septic systems, and have had for decades...
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D. The manure management plan written for these operations does not need to be submitted for review and approval, these plans just need to be retained on site

Ohhhh, the humanity...

drama
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Gradual implementing goes hand to nand with devious conditioning....

This is bad....how soon they will suggest personal poop management plan?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11479040


Ha!! You call shit "poop"!! That's funny to me.
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D. The manure management plan written for these operations does not need to be submitted for review and approval, these plans just need to be retained on site

Ohhhh, the humanity...

drama
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Yep, meaning even if you have two chickens you need to have all these parts filled out and available if they come knocking.

Section 1 - General Information. This section includes general information about the farm. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 2 - Mechanical Manure Application Rate and Timing. This section documents manure application rates and timing for mechanical application of manure. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 3 - Farm Map. This section provides a farm map identifying the location of fields, structures, environmentally sensitive areas and manure application setbacks. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 4 - Recordkeeping. This section provides a description of required recordkeeping and provides forms that can be used for recordkeeping. This section is always required in a manure management plan.
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D. The manure management plan written for these operations does not need to be submitted for review and approval, these plans just need to be retained on site

Ohhhh, the humanity...

drama
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Yep, meaning even if you have two chickens you need to have all these parts filled out and available if they come knocking.

Section 1 - General Information. This section includes general information about the farm. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 2 - Mechanical Manure Application Rate and Timing. This section documents manure application rates and timing for mechanical application of manure. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 3 - Farm Map. This section provides a farm map identifying the location of fields, structures, environmentally sensitive areas and manure application setbacks. This section is always required in a manure management plan.

Section 4 - Recordkeeping. This section provides a description of required recordkeeping and provides forms that can be used for recordkeeping. This section is always required in a manure management plan.
 Quoting: Laura Bow


And still no one but larger operations that were required before to have a "Nutrient Management Plan" are affected other than having to write up a "Manure Management Plan", and keep it on site...

No one is coming to check unless there is a complaint...

You keep records of sire and dam on your horses, but are unwilling to write up a one time 'plan' that says that you will spread manure from your two horses once a month over your 5 acre farmette, and that the shit from your half dozen laying hens will be spread on your garden twice a year...

Yet again, indignation about nothing...

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Re: POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!
What about dog poop?
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Re: POLICE STATE! Pennsylvania REQUIRING anyone who owns ANY type of livestock OR crops using manure to fill out management plan!
What about dog poop?
 Quoting: Faith


Good question!

Not generally considered 'manure', and seldom spread on land as fertilizer, but a case could indeed be made that if Kennels are not required to have a 'plan', that someone with a few chickens should not have to have a plan either...

Someone in PA sue the State!

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How would you like to be down-stream of a
chicken/hog/cow farmer that didn't manage
manure properly and just let it runoff
into the stream for you and your family or
livestock to live with?
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What about dog poop?
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If your farming dogs and producing 10's or 100's of
thousands of pounds of poop, then yeah.

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