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I'm going back and forth on which side to take for this paper topic regarding practical uses of technology. I chose whether or not exploration into deep space was necessary.

My lines of thinking are looking like this as of now:

Cons- It uses money that could be used elsewhere. This is the biggest I'd guess? Also, discovering something that isn't worth discovering. Hypothetically (I know that most here would say that anything that is uncovered was worth uncovering), finding something that shakes our foundations as a society.


Pros- Naturally, exploring is still fascinating. I suppose it also prevents us from spending the money elsewhere, even if space exploration just turns out to be a nifty hobby.


Can I get some feedback to sway me one way or another?


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I'm all for exploring and colonising the other planets [assuming they are not already populated] ;]

However ... we should really get this planet sorted first. If their was such a thing called correct wealth distribution we could do it almost overnight. But then .. that sort of talk only gets you branded as a socialist at best and a NWO proponent at worst.

I certainly don't want a new world order as is portrayed in 1984 But IF we can find a way to unite the people of the planet and become ONE as Earthlings all our problems will slip away.

Only then can we sore to the Stars like what we've read about in science fiction books all these years. I hope I live that long to see the first colonies set up on the Moon and Mars.
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I used to think it was a good idea...but what's the use we can't go anywhere....that won't happen for another million years...unless some aliens give us the technology...

They we won't need to explore places we can't get to...we are stuck on earth so we better take care of it.
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With current society rules it is not possible. We will need to leave most morality to get anywhere in space further than our own solar system.

Reasons are simple:
1. If you're married, you can only have children from one spouse. Which would limit the gene pool.
2. If you are to prosper as people, and traveling long distance that will take thousands of years, you can't wait for everyone to turn 18...

If you truly want to understand this, there is a book called the "heechee chronicles" that pretty much explains this dilemma.
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I'm going back and forth on which side to take for this paper topic regarding practical uses of technology. I chose whether or not exploration into deep space was necessary.

My lines of thinking are looking like this as of now:

Cons- It uses money that could be used elsewhere. This is the biggest I'd guess? Also, discovering something that isn't worth discovering. Hypothetically (I know that most here would say that anything that is uncovered was worth uncovering), finding something that shakes our foundations as a society.


Pros- Naturally, exploring is still fascinating. I suppose it also prevents us from spending the money elsewhere, even if space exploration just turns out to be a nifty hobby.


Can I get some feedback to sway me one way or another?

 Quoting: socraticwisdom


Interesting question friend...but if we take into account and understand universal reality and celestial evolution ...There is the obvious situation that one day our sun and therefore planet will die, or simply loose it's ability to suatain life. Although humble bacteria and single cell, or adaptable small scale organism (insects for example) might survive a bit longer - by going into stasis or piggy back a ride on something to escape to pastures new (as some are already doing on our satelites and space craft right now LOL).

Therefore if we deem it important to save and protect the human species beyond earths (and our solar systems) timeline ...space exploration will be a really important part of the equation (at some point). Because like a disease if a host dies then a virus needs to quickly find a new host or home for sustainance.

Therefore the problem is determining when the earth might actually end ..and of course this is impossible to know, as it could be tomorrow or billions of years from now.

Therefore it's a very good idea to be realistic and continue to look into space travel (and sustainability) and find potential solutions as a safe guard and backup.

However the reality is complex. Because we currently place alot of artificial emotions and values on humans and their right to exist here now...and it is clear we are not very good at managing ourselves or the distribution of resources between ourselves...work in progress.

Therefore it may seem really important to simply focus on solving these earth bound conflicts, problems and difficulties here..but ironnically we have already are far too successful and have too many people (so are killing out host too)..equally we (in numbers) are not at risk of existinction here. Appreciated we are deluded, unstable and often warring, fighting and exploit eachother, but we are not at risk of existinction throught these crazy process.

Therefore if we simply forget space and use the money saved to consentrate on solving all the human issues here on earth... only to find one day we all go up in a ball of flames because the sun goes super nova or a meteor hits us..poses a very interesting question - as the paradox is clear..because saving and supporting more people now might help (?)in the short-term but jive us no option in long term..in a real earth emergency situation

Again another interesting reality is, that whilst impressive, the human body is not truly suited or equipped for deep space travel or living in space environments (without natural mutation occuring), because we are only the most advance organism for living on earths ecosystem and environments. Ironnically again, simple single cell organisms and bacteria would be far better equipped and versatile to manage this feat.

It makes me laugh ..as we often think, assume that aliens are these human forms and charactors..and yet the reality is that the real celestial explorers and colonisers are aminoa acids and single cell organism caught randomly on host meteors or frozen inside comets from other planetary or celestial collaspes or from piggy backing perhaps on the crafts built by advanced human like organisms.

So perhap our space development might not save us personally, but other organisms that may have a better chance.



Humans (or human like creatures) are the only ones capable of artificially finding solution for spave craft and traveL ....as no other organism have the physical capacity to construct the technolgy need to leave earth ...hence if there are aliens (in space craft) they would have be similar to the human form (i.e...with the hands and minds to design, build and contruct them), as dolphins for example would have great difficulty even though they are smart LOL

However...and heres the strange bit, the reality is that we might be the ones who build the spcae ship (for ourselves)..but it will be smaller organisms that actually take advatange and are saved..as we might not actually would survive extended deep space travel ..as our food/resource needs would be faar greater and more complex to achieve that that required by smaller critters...so we'd probably run out of food and nutrients...but be food for others bacteria LOL... as even cryogenics is a bit of a red herring for humans still (although might be a solution). Yet we already know that frozen seeds and bacteria can come back to life after many thousands of years.

So actually we might without knowing it do a true act of kindness through a completely selfish act of self survival LOL.
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I'm going back and forth on which side to take for this paper topic regarding practical uses of technology. I chose whether or not exploration into deep space was necessary.

My lines of thinking are looking like this as of now:

Cons- It uses money that could be used elsewhere. This is the biggest I'd guess? Also, discovering something that isn't worth discovering. Hypothetically (I know that most here would say that anything that is uncovered was worth uncovering), finding something that shakes our foundations as a society.


Pros- Naturally, exploring is still fascinating. I suppose it also prevents us from spending the money elsewhere, even if space exploration just turns out to be a nifty hobby.


Can I get some feedback to sway me one way or another?

 Quoting: socraticwisdom


Interesting question friend...but if we take into account and understand universal reality and celestial evolution ...There is the obvious situation that one day our sun and therefore planet will die, or simply loose it's ability to suatain life. Although humble bacteria and single cell, or adaptable small scale organism (insects for example) might survive a bit longer - by going into stasis or piggy back a ride on something to escape to pastures new (as some are already doing on our satelites and space craft right now LOL).

Therefore if we deem it important to save and protect the human species beyond earths (and our solar systems) timeline ...space exploration will be a really important part of the equation (at some point). Because like a disease if a host dies then a virus needs to quickly find a new host or home for sustainance.

Therefore the problem is determining when the earth might actually end ..and of course this is impossible to know, as it could be tomorrow or billions of years from now.

Therefore it's a very good idea to be realistic and continue to look into space travel (and sustainability) and find potential solutions as a safe guard and backup.

However the reality is complex. Because we currently place alot of artificial emotions and values on humans and their right to exist here now...and it is clear we are not very good at managing ourselves or the distribution of resources between ourselves...work in progress.

Therefore it may seem really important to simply focus on solving these earth bound conflicts, problems and difficulties here..but ironnically we have already are far too successful and have too many people (so are killing out host too)..equally we (in numbers) are not at risk of existinction here. Appreciated we are deluded, unstable and often warring, fighting and exploit eachother, but we are not at risk of existinction throught these crazy process.

Therefore if we simply forget space and use the money saved to consentrate on solving all the human issues here on earth... only to find one day we all go up in a ball of flames because the sun goes super nova or a meteor hits us..poses a very interesting question - as the paradox is clear..because saving and supporting more people now might help (?)in the short-term but jive us no option in long term..in a real earth emergency situation

Again another interesting reality is, that whilst impressive, the human body is not truly suited or equipped for deep space travel or living in space environments (without natural mutation occuring), because we are only the most advance organism for living on earths ecosystem and environments. Ironnically again, simple single cell organisms and bacteria would be far better equipped and versatile to manage this feat.

It makes me laugh ..as we often think, assume that aliens are these human forms and charactors..and yet the reality is that the real celestial explorers and colonisers are aminoa acids and single cell organism caught randomly on host meteors or frozen inside comets from other planetary or celestial collaspes or from piggy backing perhaps on the crafts built by advanced human like organisms.

So perhap our space development might not save us personally, but other organisms that may have a better chance.



Humans (or human like creatures) are the only ones capable of artificially finding solution for spave craft and traveL ....as no other organism have the physical capacity to construct the technolgy need to leave earth ...hence if there are aliens (in space craft) they would have be similar to the human form (i.e...with the hands and minds to design, build and contruct them), as dolphins for example would have great difficulty even though they are smart LOL

However...and heres the strange bit, the reality is that we might be the ones who build the spcae ship (for ourselves)..but it will be smaller organisms that actually take advatange and are saved..as we might not actually would survive extended deep space travel ..as our food/resource needs would be faar greater and more complex to achieve that that required by smaller critters...so we'd probably run out of food and nutrients...but be food for others bacteria LOL... as even cryogenics is a bit of a red herring for humans still (although might be a solution). Yet we already know that frozen seeds and bacteria can come back to life after many thousands of years.

So actually we might without knowing it do a true act of kindness through a completely selfish act of self survival LOL.
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Wow thanks for the detailed response. I'm really stuck, not sure which side I'd lean towards, or if I'll even be honest in the paper because I'm thinking arguing that exploration is for the best is an easier way to fill pages.

If we truly value our future, we would unite. However it seems as though we as humans were never destined to come together, which makes me think that anything human-like would also stumble on that obstacle. We are fickle beings who rely on the past to pave the future, rather than paving the future for ourselves.

So the question remains, is it worth it trying to scrap together some unity for mankind just to say we tried?
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